Soundset Q

[Machinegunjoe]

Has anyone here purchased Manuels Nordish by nature soundset (NL3) or Trance Source X for the Virus? I've listened to the demos but what did you guys think...(ppl who bought them).

[Tomer=Trance]

the trance source x is great i use it
about the nordish thing i dont know (but the demo sounds great! great pads that nord can do :D )
any word on that q soundset his doing? im dying to hear the demo!! :P

[Machinegunjoe]

I too wanna hear the Q soundset. I have mixed feelings for the Nordish soundset...don't know if its worth 49 euros. The Trance X soundset sure sounds great...but i'm more interested in epic house type of sounds...
Although the Nord soundset sounds a bit more epic...

[crea]

Where can I find the demos? 8O

[Tomer=Trance]

yeah also not into clubbish german hard-trance myself but its a good base for tweaking :)

[Machinegunjoe]

http://www.vengeance-music.de/Virus2/eng/indexesHTML/indexSounds.html

[TrAnCeR]

ouuuhhhhh when manual will upload his Demo !!?!?!!?!


by the way i got Trance Source X too and i think that the "Incubation" was better !

but still the Trance Source X is very nice :)

[Blank]

between u and me... :wink: Oh yeah and every1 else...the nord leads dont use effects yet the audio demo has them...kinda seems a wrong to advertise it sounding a way it wont when u buy it...nothing agianst u manuel...i think many of your soundsets r quite good sounding, but i wouldnt put something that is not on the synth on an audio demo...otherwise ppl may get a bit upset when it doesnt sound like the audio demo...

peace
Blank

[Hollowcell]

im with blank on this one...it does sound like that nord set does have a bit of FX splattered thru it...really shouldnt!

but having said that, manual has a bit of skill in the programming department....although many of the sounds arent my style...

[Tomer=Trance]

he used the cubase delay and reverb32
he could have used a 1200 dollars lexicon unit but he used thos cheap "they come with every version of cubase" fx...
and who heard of thos ibiza leads without delay :D

[Blank]

I was never doubting his skill...hes great at programming...and yeah im sure they do have reverb and delay...but it never says that FX were added after the fact...this was the same reason i asked if the nord lead 3 had FX on board...because i heard his demo and thought it did, it just would be a bit of a dissappointment to get the sounds and find out that they dont sound the same because u need to add a certain amount of reverb or delay...FX r just as important as the synth sound itself...read any book on synth programming FX play a key roll in it...so what happens if some1 doesnt have the reverb and cant recreate the same reverb with what they have? it would be quite a dissappointment...

peace
Blank

[Manuel Schleis]

Hi Guys

Yes I have used Reverb and Delay... nothing more. And I have used the cheap ones, which come with Cubase and most users own theirselves. I spend just some seconds in setting up the delay and the reverb...

If someone is not able, to do some cheap reverbs and delays for himself, I guess making music is not the right thing for him :twisted:

Furthermore, what would you guys say, if I would use complete mixed tracks as soundset demos? Completely EQed, compressed, mixed, layered, with drums and so on.... ?


regards!
Manuel

[Machinegunjoe]

I think its ok to add some delay and reverb to the demos it's not like its hard to do it yourself.

[Tomer=Trance]

q demo manuel!! :D been waiting for ages,when will it be up? :) .
i think thats a good idea to do a demo track it will surely help sell more sets then the demos you do now but there will be also a big dissepointing for the not so expirienced and pro producers who buy the set

[Machinegunjoe]

think thats a good idea to do a demo track it will surely help sell more sets then the demos you do now but there will be also a big dissepointing for the not so expirienced and pro producers who buy the set

Lol at the pro producers being dissapointed cuz the cant add reverb themselves :lol:

[Blank]

you guys can snicker all u want about what i said but i have one key freakin point here...i have been playin with synths for about 6months now b4 that i never tried to make my own sounds...yet i have some of u who have been using synths for quite awhile asking me to recreate sounds for u...so dont tell me that it will be that easy to recreate reverbs...rmany things r possible...the question im wondering is why even add them if they r extra...the only thing i can think of is that maybe the demo sounds like total shit unless u over coat it with reverb...that really seems like the only reason i can think of for wanting to do it...Im also sorry to dissappoint u but most ppl dont own cubase...and there is no way to prove they do, so to assume it would be utterly wrong...
it just seems a bit like false advertising...like looking at a burger on a menu that looks all juicy and huge but when u get it its flat and dry...

Just my 2 cents...if u dont agree u dont agree...
peace
Blank

[Machinegunjoe]

I totally understand what your saying blank, but if the synth don't have FX do you think that you should leave the sound dry? Maybe the best solution is to have a demo with & without fx?

I don't create many sounds on my synths(well not on the virus anyway) i focus on making music instead...although i do have days when i nothing else than program new sounds (did 5 new sounds yesterday :) )

I thought it was funny that he said pro producers, cuz if your a pro you prob. make money and work with your gear on a daily basis so if you cant add some reverb then, you should prob sell your gear.

[Blank]

The definition of professional...is some1 who makes money at what they do...therefore it doesnt mean u have to make alot at it...there r many ppl who make money on mp3.com but they might not see a profit, having to pay monthly for the service...this means they r professional producers/musicians in debt...and many of these ppl r quite amateur in their knowledge of music...u dont have to make mass cash to be pro, u just have to earn money at what u do...has nothing to do with the gross of what u make...just getting money for your music...so some of the "amatuer" producers u see might not be able to afford such a program as cubase...but this is getting a bit off subject...I think there should be 2 demos atleast like machinegunjoe says...the question is where do u draw the line between adding no FX when none is accessible or mastering the whole track...i mean shit if u r going to add reverb and delay...why not use compression and enhancers and the whole deal... u r still altering the original and u r still using what is not accessible on the synth...

peace
Blank

[Tomer=Trance]

i said pro because i dont classify myself as a pro
and blank you are right about crossing the line but if ppl dont realy care who am i to say no to them? :wink:

[TommyS]

Its a only a freakin soundset. Why is there so much arguing.

hmm. There is reverb and delay on the demo and the Nords dont have any effects. Manuel has just said he`s used Cubase`s own effects. What else do you need? Cubase`s default effects are as basic as any other sequencers own effects. So it cant be hard to recreate.

Company`s do this all the time to make their products more appealing. Just read the small print.

I dont see whats wrong with adding delay or reverb to the sound. Its two of the most basic effects that people will use. Its not like he`s running it through unique external gear that totally modifies the sound from the original.

Then that`d be wrongful marketing.

(deep breath............................................................... relax)


:D

[Blank]

well i do understand what your saying...but i think u r missing the point...i dont agree with what companies do either...and about the unique external gear or whatever u r talking about...it doesnt modify the sound completely either, it just enhances it...the reason being to make it more appealing then it is...well question i had was where do u draw the line...because anything else u would add would be just as much of a modification as reverb or delay...i just dont seem to understand how ppl will be so 2 sided on this...if some1 added compression, enhancer, eq, or any reverb/delay, other then this specific instance it would be wrong, and yet its ok with this one...just because it is a basic reverb used in cubase...is it because most of u have cubase...? im seriouse curious on this...so if some1 used compression and an enhancer on the nord sounds it would be going to far which would change the sound less then the reverb?
im mean to be honest he can do whatever he likes to do...i just was puttin my personal opinion which then turned into a discussion that if some1 put this it would be okay and if some1 put that it would be wrong...now im wondering why modifying the sound is good only in this specific instance yet its not in others...eitherway u r modifyin what the original outcome would be...what makes this such a special circumstance...vs demos that use compression or enhancer or eq?

peace
Blank

[Manuel Schleis]

Perhaps I should give my Mp3 Demos another headline:

"This Mp3 shows what you CAN do with the soundsets, If you know what a Reverb effect is, and if you know what Tempo Synced Delay is"

Would this satisfy you blank :D

[Manuel Schleis]

.i

[Drammy]

Blank,

Have you got some demos of what your soundset will sound like?

[TommyS]

I`d draw the line at reverb and delay, just as manuel has done. When you add compression/enhancement/eq your changing the structure of the patches sound. With delay/reverb on the most basic settings your adding copies of the original sound multiple times.

I can see where you are coming from aswell, I think its all down to personal tastes, probally why it makes a good discussion.

With the unique external gear comment, I was meaning if he passed the original sound through and the output was nothing like the original then that`d be misleading. An example could be using a vocoder.

Any hoo manuels programming skills dont need the use of powerfull effects to make them sound good. The ones I have are amazing.

:D

[Blank]

Dude do whatever the fuk u want to really...but if u r serious...maybe just a simple "all sounds were maybe with "{synth}" and "{FX}" was added"...

peace
Blank

[Drammy]

Well Blank, any news on your soundset?

[Manuel Schleis]

Dude do whatever the fuk u want to really...but if u r serious...maybe just a simple "all sounds were maybe with "{synth}" and "{FX}" was added"...

:idea:
This is exactly what I have done... If you take a closer look, you will see, I have always written, what additional FX had been used in the demos
8O


Anyway... the Q demo will follow soon.... I have not much time at the moment.... The V-Station set comes soon, too

[Blank]

oh really?.....you always had this? i never saw it...could have been my 1600X12000 desktop... :wink:

cool with me either way...

as for my soundset...this has to do with manuels soundset...i will not discuss mine here...

can wait to hear the demo on the Q....

hey manuel how long does it usually take u to finish a soundset now that u have been doin it awhile...

peace
Blank

[Machinegunjoe]

My thread got hijacked.... :cry:

[TommyS]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/285430/hijack.jpg

:D

[TommyS]

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/285430/hijack.jpg

:D

[Hollowcell]

reverb and delay is very easy to put on, hence the reason it should be left off demos of sound sets...

if a demo is dry, its easier for me to run the sounds thru effects as i would an ordinary sound...but if the demo has effects recorded into the mp3, then taking reverb off is a bitch (delay too for that matter, but delay is easier to live with)...

as for manuel using them...i understand why...its marketing really...

but as for me, i really like to run the demos thru my outboard gear, so i know exactly what they will sound like with me using them.....

although its rare, i agree with blank on this one....

sorry for encouraging the highjacking there machinegun!! thats a great pic by the way tommy...

[Machinegunjoe]

Yeah...cool pic Tommy

:D

[Manuel Schleis]

as for manuel using them...i understand why...its marketing really...

Wrong! If I would post the demo DRY, everybody could SAMPLE single oneshots (basses for examples or fx sounds, 303 sounds) and use them :idea:
I don?t want that.... 8)



hey manuel how long does it usually take u to finish a soundset now that u have been doin it awhile...

That depends, how the synthesizer inspires me... With the A1 Synthesizer it was a hard battle... This synth has not so much possibilities you know....
But I don?t do sound designing all the day... mainly I produce music here... :lol:
I program the sounds only in free times between the projects... and in lunch brakes :-)

[Blank]

not to start an argument but im sure i could still oneshot atleast some of your samples...the only ones i might not be able to would be the faster sequenced ones and that would only be preference becuase the sample would have less functionality because it would be a so short...granted it would take tweeting but im sure i could do it...

how many hours have u put in? ballpark guess...?

peace
Blank

[Juho L]

Question of the week: Who the heck want's to sample sounds from sound set demos? Maybe a 12 yearold tracker hobbyist but no serious hobbyists or professional musicians.

[Machinegunjoe]

http://www.ianai.net/jokes/forumpix/threadwontdie.jpg

[D-joriz]

i think u r doing a nice job manuel .. your soundsets are verry clean. i like them