New Virus C Series OS!!!

[marc]

Check out :)

www.access-music.de

[Juho L]

Ooh! Moog-modelling! I want to hear the new filters!

When someone of you guys get this OS loaded, could you please send some audio clips?

[udenjoe]

Fucking cool. It's a surprise and this is going to cause more talk in the virus community. I hope it's cool.

[nrgy]

will the virus sound different from before or is it just an extra feature to add on the sound?

[udenjoe]

It seems like it will add four new filter types to Filter 1. I don't think it will change your sounds.

[Smag]

Big suprise!!! Sounds wicked, hope it's good (who's going to be the brave one to try it first?)

[nrgy]

I'm upgrading at this moment :D

[saba]

I installed it in about an hour after it came out. Zero issues whatsoever, and a grin from ear to ear :)
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[Juho L]

There were some clips on Access site, but they sounded like basic Virus sounds.

Could someone please demonstrate that self-oscillation?

[Smag]

Just installed OS6.5, it does add 4 extra filter types to LP HP BP and BS called Analog 1,2,3 and 4. They do seem to add more warmth to patches, although I haven't had chance to make it Self Oscillate, not sure how to, does anybody know? I'd recommend the install, seems completely stable, it's not a massive upgrade anyway, so there's not much that can go wrong.

[Juho L]

although I haven't had chance to make it Self Oscillate, not sure how to, does anybody know?

Add resonance (try maximum) and add keyfollow.

[ben crosland]

There were some clips on Access site, but they sounded like basic Virus sounds.

Could someone please demonstrate that self-oscillation?

The sound of the new filter might not be so obvious from the demos, I guess. Sure, you might *think* that the original Virus filters are capable of making those sounds, but actually they are not. The self-oscillation is more than apparent in the demo labelled 'Self-Resonating Sphere' - *all* of the top end warbling above the basic chord sound is courtesy of the new Analog Filter!

The Saturation that is integral to the character of this filter algorithm is also very different from what can be achieved with the original Saturation types - it is much warmer and more subtle (and consequently more natural-sounding) than those. If you simply run a pure Sine wave through this filter, the character is entirely different from that achieved through the standard Lowpass. The Moog-style Saturation also affects the signal with a certain amount of compression, which makes certain effects only possible with this algorithm - for instance, if the Oscillator Mix signal is made up of slightly detuned waveforms, the beat-pulsing results in peaks and troughs in the signal that another signal, ie Noise or Sub-Osc interact with. All this means it now much easier to create pulsing, breathing, organic sounds that could only previously be imitated with complex ModMatrix routings (and less convincing results).

I'm afraid the only way to truly appreciate the beauty of the Analog Filter is to build a simpe patch, turn Resonance up a bit, and sweep the Cutoff. Something magic and undefinable happens now within that sweep that was never possible before..

-=BC

[udenjoe]

I've noticed the original filters sound different too. Am I right or am I hearing things? By the way, they sound better. The high resonance is great.

[dries]

i hope access did their legal homework on these "moog type" filters.

some history:

ARP got serious legal problems with moog after they installed "moog type" filters on the 2600. after a legal fight they had to change the moog type filters on the 2600 to the original ones. but these did not sound as good.

the ms series from korg gave ARP the rest and some years later ARP was out of business.

that was some 30 years ago. damn, these 70" were nice.

dries

[Juho L]

some history:

ARP got serious legal problems with moog after they installed "moog type" filters on the 2600. after a legal fight they had to change the moog type filters on the 2600 to the original ones. but these did not sound as good.

Not a problem with modelling. The ARP got in trouble because they used the schematics and desing, which were patented by Moog. In modelling you only copy the sound, not the desing. Sound can't be patented.

[Hollowcell]

been damn busy, but i noticed the OS update in the virus mailing list!! downloaded the OS, but cant install it on the virus until tomorrow night!!

i gave the patch demo that ben mentioned earlier a listen though (self resonating sphere)....nice indeed!!

very much looking foward to hearing the result of the new OS on my own VC...

[dries]

some history:

ARP got serious legal problems with moog after they installed "moog type" filters on the 2600. after a legal fight they had to change the moog type filters on the 2600 to the original ones. but these did not sound as good.

Not a problem with modelling. The ARP got in trouble because they used the schematics and desing, which were patented by Moog. In modelling you only copy the sound, not the desing. Sound can't be patented.

the virus is in concept a "software" emulator of old analog hardware technology. thats means that components like oscilators, filters etc. and their behaviour and characteristics have been defined as virtual objects in the software that controlls the dsp. for a synth programmer its much easier to write code in a environment that emulates real synth hardware. building up the complete environment is the main job. other software like reason has the same concept. thats also the reason why programmers that do this job must have serious knowledge of real hardware.

i'm almost sure that the virus crew took the original filter layout and translated it in the corresponding dsp code.

dries

[Juho L]

i'm almost sure that the virus crew took the original filter layout and translated it in the corresponding dsp code.

That's obvious, but the Virus doesn't contain the patented filter!

[dries]

the 2nd ARP 2600 series didnt "include" the original moog filter too.

if i remember right, ARP was sued because they copied the 24-polle filter principle which was unique in the moog by then. copying ideas can be a patent violation too.

dries

[Juho L]

if i remember right, ARP was sued because they copied the 24-polle filter principle which was unique in the moog by then. copying ideas can be a patent violation too.

It was a patent violation because they used the transistor ladder principle, which was the basis of patented Moog filter.

[dries]

my last word on this subject.

the virus homepage says:

"OS 6.5 lifts the award winning Virus filter to another dimension adding four additional algorithms featuring from self-oscillation to analoge style discreet circuit overload emulation. The new Analog Filter was modelled after a Mini Moog(TM)"

[dries]

wow! try the "taurus" (f109) patch with the 1P analog filter, give it a bit resonance and cutoff, now play a bit with the filter decay; eats almost all poly in multi mode, but this realy rocks!

[Hollowcell]

installed and played with for the last 2 hours.

im impressed!!

it adds another characture to the virus that i didnt think was possible. theres only one way to hear what the new filters are about. download the OS, install the new sounds with it, then slowly turn the cutoff and resonance knobs.

this beats the pure tuning OS update hands down! 8O

[Tom_1970]

Nice featrue in the new OS.
My compliments to the Access guys.

The selfoscillation is great.
try this:
Put the Oscvol to 0
select the analog filter (1p, 2p, 3p, 4p), set the resonance on 127 and the cutoff on 69
MOD:
source--------dest-------amount
keyflw-------cutoff---------+34

regards

Tom

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

OK can i clarify something guys. Does this new filter actually self oscilate? They use the term self resonate...... but thats not the same as self oscilate!

DS

[hatembr]

well in the pdf file i got with the OS update they talk about self oscillation.... but what is the difference anyway ?

[n0303]

So im curious, how do you all feel the sound of the new filters compare to the sound of the filters on the ION? ALso, i see that there are four filters, and the mini moog filter is being discussed. What are the other three filters?

[ben crosland]

So im curious, how do you all feel the sound of the new filters compare to the sound of the filters on the ION? ALso, i see that there are four filters, and the mini moog filter is being discussed. What are the other three filters?

The new Analog Filter is basically a 4 pole ladder filter that is modelled on the minimoog filter. However, the Virus' implementation allows the user to choose between 1pole, 2pole, 3pole or 4pole modes, because in the digital domain these things become possible.

When you take into consideration the fact that Filter 2 is still active in this moment, all sorts of configurations come into play, so you can effectively create anything from a 1 Pole to a 6 Pole filter array, in Serial or Parallel!

So, the only array that is strictly moogish in character is the Analog 4P - all the other modes are unique to the Virus I guess :)

[Tomer=Trance]

how does that ion sound?
i wonder
is there any place i can hear some sound examples of it?

[n0303]

Awesome explanation of the new fitler modes! Thanks!
As for the ION, there are TONS of ION samples floating around . The only issue I see with ION is low polyphony and crap/few effects. The ION was also touted as having 500mips sound engine and using all of that to be aliasing free but I have been told that is not the case. While I dont want to change the subject of the thread the reason I bring the ION up is it has a TON of killer filter models and I was looking for someone to compare the to the VIRUS.