advice for windows users

[hatembr]

A good advice, make a small ntfs partition on your hard drive and set it as the system page file partition ; this is a special file used by windows when you are working, it's safer to put it on a seperate partition where u put no other data, it should be empty and reserved for system use only.
This reduces the risk of defraging the system page file and thus slowing down the computer.
- You right-click on My Computer
- Properties
- Advanced (the last tab)
- Performances (the first option in Win2000)
.... follow the instructions in this link http://www.superspeed.com/paging.html

btw, the guy says at the beginning this is good for 64-128RAM PCs, but believe me, it's also good for higher RAM amounts.... i work this way since a year now, and i see the difference between my PC at work and the one i have at home. They are identical with 384RAM, my work PC is set up this way as described in the link, and it is faster than mine!

[Machinegunjoe]

Heres one good advise for windows users...BUY A MAC!!!

Sorry i couldn't resist :D

[Juho L]

BUY A MAC...

...with the same price as you would get twice as fast PC and in addition you'll get a new funny OS to learn. Sounds very appealing. I'll get one today!

[Juho L]

Meanwhile at Apple:

http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert20012199640204.gif

[Machinegunjoe]

BUY A MAC...

...with the same price as you would get twice as fast PC and in addition you'll get a new funny OS to learn. Sounds very appealing. I'll get one today!

ohh...which PC are you refering to then Juho and which programs is it that the PC runs twice as fast? Btw whats so funny about the Mac OS, i think its much easier than windows. Plz share since you seem to be a expert on PC vs Mac

[hatembr]

ooooooookay so read this:

http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=1941



machinegun, thats one of my future plans, i tried a mac few days ago and the difference is clear! 8)

[Machinegunjoe]

ooooooookay so read this:

http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=1941



machinegun, thats one of my future plans, i tried a mac few days ago and the difference is clear! 8)

hehe, nice post there.

I read one of those pc magazines the other day and it said that a P4 3,1 was faster then the G5. They did the test with 3 different programs. But the funny thing was that neither of the programs that they compared supported 64bits cpu or double cpu. The pc was slightly better...doh! what was the point of that article...hmm

Anyways, i dont hate pcs its just that the Macs are sooooo much better to work with when making music i don't know why but i sure do know that it is. I've swapped from a PC to mac and i couldn't be more happy. (although im saving money for the G5, so soon i will be even happier :) )

[Juho L]

I read one of those pc magazines the other day and it said that a P4 3,1 was faster then the G5. They did the test with 3 different programs. But the funny thing was that neither of the programs that they compared supported 64bits cpu or double cpu. The pc was slightly better...doh! what was the point of that article...hmm

Hmm... Wasn't there a comparisation between the 64-bit PC and Mac?

Anyways, i dont hate pcs its just that the Macs are sooooo much better to work with when making music i don't know why but i sure do know that it is. I've swapped from a PC to mac and i couldn't be more happy. (although im saving money for the G5, so soon i will be even happier :) )

The main problem with Macs is the price. If you want an up-to-date system, you'll have to sell your internal organs for the money. They're bloody expensive so they're out of question if you don't have loads to spend on a computer.

I tried that OSX on one messe. Felt quite strange due the one button system and the interface seemed confusing. I'm used to Windows, so even if I could afford Mac I still wouldn't change because only thing I would get is a new strange OS to learn.

[hatembr]

The main problem with Macs is the price. If you want an up-to-date system, you'll have to sell your internal organs for the money. They're bloody expensive so they're out of question if you don't have loads to spend on a computer.

well, juho, one has to pay for quality... we (pc users) have to admit that we have more problems than mac users, more unstable system and more buggy OS.

I tried that OSX on one messe. Felt quite strange due the one button system and the interface seemed confusing. I'm used to Windows, so even if I could afford Mac I still wouldn't change because only thing I would get is a new strange OS to learn.

As far as that strange feeling go, i think it is quite normal, if tomorrow u get an additive synthesis based-synth, u'll feel as strange as that, it s just a matter of habit, u were used to take off frequencies, now u'd have to add them to get what u want, u just learn it and get used to it.
Same thing for mac, u'll get used to it once u are in front of the machine with nothing else around u, at least, that's how i appreciated the G4 i tried, i quickly got used to that famous one button click and took the time to discover the OS. I think it's a fact, Macis great :wink:

[Juho L]

well, juho, one has to pay for quality... we (pc users) have to admit that we have more problems than mac users, more unstable system and more buggy OS.

Well if you put up a PC with the cheapest possible parts you could find there might be problems. But even a good quality component and stable PC is cheaper than a Mac. I think the price of Mac is explained by the fact that Mac is more work oriented, so most of the Macs are in offices and in other facilities as a pure work computer. Few years back Macs had gained a firm foothold in certain industires (like in graphics and music) and that way achieved a status of industry standard. This allowed Apple to keep the price a bit higher since the companies that had years used Macs would gladly pay some extra to get a Mac instead of moving to hellish Windows-98-crash-o-matic and getting a new software. Nowadays since the release of Windows XP and vastly growing PC processing power the competition between Mac and PC has got tougher and Mac has started to lose its industry standard trait, so I say that the price of new Macs will drop in the future. At least I think it would be very logical scenario since Apple can't compete with stability and speed anymore.

As far as that strange feeling go, i think it is quite normal, if tomorrow u get an additive synthesis based-synth, u'll feel as strange as that, it s just a matter of habit, u were used to take off frequencies, now u'd have to add them to get what u want, u just learn it and get used to it.
Same thing for mac, u'll get used to it once u are in front of the machine with nothing else around u, at least, that's how i appreciated the G4 i tried, i quickly got used to that famous one button click and took the time to discover the OS. I think it's a fact, Macis great

That's true. You can learn it, but is there really any point in it? I wouldn't benefit at all from the exchange.

[hatembr]

i saw a conference made my apple and they compared a bi-proc G5 and the most powerful Dell Xeon based PC, i forgot its name... and there was a huge difference, when i say huge, it is really HUUUUUUUUGE.
They played back a track on cubase on the PC, it started crackling after few seconds. On the mac, it played the track clearly with no interruption at all. They used (for both machines) the integrated sound cards, not pro ones.
They rendered the same 3D image, on the mac it took around 1m30s, on the PC it took 4minutes... etc etc

[Juho L]

i saw a conference made my apple and they compared a bi-proc G5 and the most powerful Dell Xeon based PC

Isn't Xeon an "old" processor?

I just tried to google comparisations for the new PC and Mac systems and didn't find anything reliable. Why on earth there's only two kinds of test: The ones in which Mac is twice as fast and the ones in which PC's are twice as fast. Really annoying.

[saba]

i saw a conference made my apple and they compared a bi-proc G5 and the most powerful Dell Xeon based PC

Isn't Xeon an "old" processor?

No, its a special server-orientated Pentium4 processor. You can have up to 8mb of L2 cache (as opposed to the Pentium4's 512kb).

hatembr, got links for those reviews? I've mainly seen stuff that shows the G5 edges slightly behind top end x86 systems. The benchmarks on the apple website are strongly biased, however.
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[Drammy]

So what do you Mac-users come up with to exlain this...

http://service.steinberg.net/knowledge_pro.nsf/eea51aa37a17b914c1256c8b004ac878/9241fd8c24882160c1256de20039e422?OpenDocument

Or especially...

ftp://ftp.steinberg.net/fwd/performance_tests/Performance.PDF

I have used both a Mac (in my studio) and a P4 2.8GHz PC for home-studio use and I prefer the PC. There are certain advantages with both and I do like the Mac, just prefer the PC that's all.

Martyn

[hatembr]

hatembr, got links for those reviews? I've mainly seen stuff that shows the G5 edges slightly behind top end x86 systems. The benchmarks on the apple website are strongly biased, however.
unfortunatly no, it is a video clip i watched on my friend's PowerBook... he showed me it while he was trying to convince me that mac is better :)
i'll ask him the name or the subject of the conference again, may be we can find links to it...

[Blank]

Im sorry but Dell just does not use quality parts...there r 2 in this house...and they r not mine...good thing...all those prebuilds use r oem junk...and not even good oem...and who cares if there is more cache on the Xeon if it is not made for the damn reason u r using it for it will not work as good...for example say u get a dirtbike and a snow mobile and u see they r both a one to two seater motorized vehicle...now lets throw them both in a dirt field...who do u think would win...

Heres one for all of u mac ppl...i talked with the lead professor in the music department of my college...and we were talking about macs....becuase i noticed that they were running just macs...and he told me they bought them because mac gave them a special deal for being a school...then he turns to me and says...i would never by the computers again...they were the worst mistake he'd ever made...

My point being there r points to either side and u can fudge any performance test...they are both made from the same factories in tiawan...so who gives a shit...if u want mac get a make if u want pc then go with a pc... i dont know about u but im plain sick and tired of keep that damn fight going...

The only reason i like pc is the fact that i can by from many different stores and manufactures...and with mac i cant...i have to by from mac in a mac store...this is why they r expensive...because with a pc there r alot of competitors ones either going for price and others going for quality...thats the way its always been...so price drops and drops...also the fact that something new comes out almost every week...

peace
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[udenjoe]

And up pops joe outtta nowhere....

I got used to this mac. Between the two kinds I feel there is no difference in the actual use, clicking, ect. Mac has become much more like PC since osX (hey that's a marketing trick to lure the "gen-x" crowd. Fucking always hated that word. Fucking "X-games". Fuck.) Sorry. It does come down to personal preference. More than likely you are not going to use your PC in comparison to a Mac. You will just use the PC and vice versa. These benchmark comparisons are useless. I like the Mac because it is easy to use and I know there are no hidden files anywhere if I were to get rid of a program. This airport is quite fast too. Wireless instantly...

[crea]

OMG 8O

...and I thought the flame wars ended years ago... ah well I guess some people just don't grow up. :wink:

It's like comparing Saabs to Audis, innit? They look a little different but they'll both get you there in the end, don't they?

Or more likely I have to hear someone else confirm that spending tons of cash on a piece of HW that's gonna be obsolete before I boot it up was a good thing.

.h?kan (spoiling all the fun)

[Blank]

In the end i am going to have to agree with crea...well put...

peace
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