Analogue gear!!

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now i have been researching some analogue gear...so far there are a bunch that look and seem really cool...but in the end dont they all sound about the same? from the samples i heard they sound really similar...well i mean within the company...what i am wondering is, if i was to buy the waldorf pulse would it be similar to buying an older one...i just dont know about that whole CV/midi converter and with some of the rolands u have to a special DINsync convertor...? But i was trying to make a list and these seem to be what im interested in tell me what u think...

Jupiter 6 (because of the midi)
Juno 106
Sh101
OB-Xa
Xpander
CS-10/15/30 (one of those)
Mono/poly
Ms-20
TECHNOSAURUS SELECTOR System D
Omega 8
Future Retro 777
Prophet 600
Prodigy
SunSyn

Now tell me what u guys think of this? which ones r good and which r worth throwing away?
and how much do these usually run...I know a good number of them...but i am wondering what u guys seem them going for...and r there any u would add?

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[Tomer=Trance]

the sunsyn is about 3500 dollars

i would say go for the juno and the oberhime maybe
the juno goes for around 300 $ used can get it cheaper tho
the prodigy is a nice mono synt played with it a bit
and well.. it is moog :) not as fat as the minimoog but a nice add to a digital setup
goes for around 150-200 $

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most of the synths listed r fairly inexpensive...

the sunsyn and omega 8 r both about $3k
the TECHNOSAURUS SELECTOR System D is about $4-5k
and the Xpander is about $1k

all the others r pretty inexpensive i think...im not sure on a few of them...but i am not talking about money here im just trying to figure if it would be useless to get some of these...like say if u could get the same sound out of one of the others....or if there is any i missed?

BTW does any1 know any places online that sell used gear of all sorts...without having to bid for them...i would pay a little extra just to know that i will get it and its from a store...instead of getting my hopes up to lose a bid or be fukt out of my money...

peace
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[Tomer=Trance]

what about the doepfer a100 ?
the modular system
you can get the complete thing in about 3k and its amazing....

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i think i would rather go with the newer modular system like the technosaurus...

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[Hollowcell]

but in the end dont they all sound about the same? from the samples i heard they sound really similar...well i mean within the company...

sometimes there are small differences within a series, for example: the CS range from yamaha - some have punchier envelopes and the like...small differences, but still differences i guess...

what i am wondering is, if i was to buy the waldorf pulse would it be similar to buying an older one...

you really have to read up about the models themselves (everywhere u can). not only for sound but also for stability and reliability...

i just dont know about that whole CV/midi converter and with some of the rolands u have to a special DINsync convertor...?

im not really worried so much about the cv to midi thing because i dont mind playing the instrument itself then recording to the sampler or straight into the PC....thats why for me, im really looking for stuff in good condition....

but if u wanna set up midi wise it isnt that difficult for many instruments.....lots of instruments can be retro fitted now days with midi...but u can always go for a converter from kenton or something....they cost around 90 to 100 bux or so...but you can buy another analogue synth for 90 or 100 bux, why waste the money. (thats if you can play instead of clicking the mouse)

But i was trying to make a list and these seem to be what im interested in tell me what u think...

i think alot depends on the sound u r after.

if you can get some for cheap enough, get them and try them out, then sell them on...thats my pplan at the moment....

right now im bidding on:
oberhiem matrix 1000 and xpander
sh101
mc202
mono/poly (although its getting expensive)
jx 3p
ms-20
kord mini (although its getting rich too)
cs01 from yamaha
sh 3a
sh 1

if i get any ill let u know what i think...im only going for bargins though...

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Thanx hollow...the only reason i want to go midi is because of timing...i can play but trying to play a fast lead in sync with 180 tempo or so would be hard...and the more off sync u get the worse the song sounds...i can play but slowly...120 is fine...140 is harder...and 160 and up is a bitch...

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[Tomer=Trance]

how much is the ms20 going for right now?
and blank you can get the novation bass station as a convector for about 100-150 euro

[Hollowcell]

Thanx hollow...the only reason i want to go midi is because of timing...i can play but trying to play a fast lead in sync with 180 tempo or so would be hard...and the more off sync u get the worse the song sounds...i can play but slowly...120 is fine...140 is harder...and 160 and up is a bitch...


yeh true!

but thats where the sampler can come in handy. it takes a bit of work though. ive been playing around with appegiators by sampling single notes from the CS, then i ran those notes from the sampler (off an appegiator) thru the CS again - triggering the filter, plus triggering the OSC..chunky results pefectly in time with cubase...

if you go here http://www.soundclick.com/bands/8/hollowcell.htm and then look for track CS-10 appegiator you will see what i mean...play it loud though, because i didnt compress it so much to give it alot of dynamic range.......

of course though, its not the same as having the machine triggered directly from midi...but its ok for me at the moment...the sequence is at 150bpm by the way...

where it becomes complicated is rapid note changes...this is where using the sampler becomes too time consuming...having to sample too many individual notes can really suck...

at any rate...buy an analogue blank! im converting rapidly (mainly in the bass side of things)....the only other analogue i had used in depth before the CS was an alpha juno when i was in ausi (but ive bought one off the auctions recently too)...they have DCO instead and although they sound pretty good, im far more impressed with the CS in terms of bass and raw characture! i had only played analogues in a shop before that (not the same as blasting along side the rest of your gear)...

[Hollowcell]

how much is the ms20 going for right now?


its 6500yen! now heres the but... its missing the button near the mod wheel and the mod wheel isnt working at all....also some of the knobs are stiff and worn out a bit...the keyboard works (they say), but they havent tested the patching section....looks a bit rough to me....could be good for parts though i guess...if it goes over 7000 im not gunna worry about it..

[Tomer=Trance]

how much is 7000 yen?
about 600 dollars?

[Tomer=Trance]

blank what about the alesis a6?
one of the most powerful analogs coming out in the recent years
you can get one for about 1700-2000 second hand
expensive but worth it? yeah...

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You know what i forgot to mention that one...that is another i am interested in...mainly what i want to know is if the new analogues match the other ones...? As for the sampling thing...im not going to be a studio musician...i want to make the sound and the sequence live and i can sequence quick i just can play it...and if i am sampling to would be way too much time...

peace
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BTW youre a moderator now?

[Hollowcell]

how much is 7000 yen?
about 600 dollars?

7000yen is about 45 euro...

[Hollowcell]

You know what i forgot to mention that one...that is another i am interested in...mainly what i want to know is if the new analogues match the other ones...? As for the sampling thing...im not going to be a studio musician...i want to make the sound and the sequence live and i can sequence quick i just can play it...and if i am sampling to would be way too much time...

peace
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BTW youre a moderator now?

im not really sure about the new analogues vs the old. ive never had a chance to play on a newer model.

i understand what you are saying about the sampling issue...but using a hardware sampler makes it easier...i just press a button on the desk and a button on the sampler and the sound is there automaticly truncated and everything.....infact even if i had midi with the CS id sample it and run the sample back thru the CS to get a double pass of that filter.

so im a moderator! well it was a complete surprise to me too! 8O juho didnt even tell me he had recomended me...

[Juho L]

so im a moderator! well it was a complete surprise to me too! 8O juho didnt even tell me he had recomended me...

I didn't want to bother you with that issue. ?hih. You're one of the old fart regulars here so picking you as a second moderator was quite obvious choise.

[Hollowcell]

I didn't want to bother you with that issue. ?hih. You're one of the old fart regulars here so picking you as a second moderator was quite obvious choise.

no problem

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Oh yeah but no one thought of old poor Blank :cry:

j/k guys...congrats Hollow...

peace
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[Juho L]

Oh yeah but no one thought of old poor Blank

You were "out of town" at the moment I recommended HC. Tough luck. But I wonder what it would be like if I'd have recommended you. It would have been like having He-man and Skeletor moderating the same forum.

[Blank]

Thats pretty funny Juho...very good analogy...but i dont see us fighting/debating anytime soon... but it doesnt matter to me anyhow...im not that interesting in being a moderator...if it happens it happens...i would just like to be known as a synth programmer...and i really need to release that sound set...i got caught off track writting a symphony for my boss @ work...

anyway what do u think about what i listed juho? on this thread i mean...for analogue gear..

peace
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[Juho L]

Thats pretty funny Juho...very good analogy...but i dont see us fighting/debating anytime soon... but it doesnt matter to me anyhow...im not that interesting in being a moderator...if it happens it happens...i would just like to be known as a synth programmer...

Indeed. Let's just hope that HC doesn't get out of control.

i got caught off track writting a symphony for my boss @ work...

I'm not sure have you mentioned before, but where are you working at the moment?

anyway what do u think about what i listed juho? on this thread i mean...for analogue gear..

I'd go for the vintage stuff instead of new analogs. MS-20, Mono/Poly are very nice. MS-20's are a bit pricey nowadays, but most of the simple late 70's and early 80's analogs are really cheap and sound bloody good.

A sampler with simple vintage analog synth is a very good combination as we heard on HC's clips.

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I work a Hilton Reservations Worldwide...

What modern analogues have u played with Juho?

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[Juho L]

What modern analogues have u played with Juho?

Haven't had a chance to try any of them since they're quite rare around here. As what I can say from the clips I've heard they do sound better than their virtual cousins, but the biggest problem is the price. Of course they have polyphony and some other features that old ones don't have, but. For example you could get loads of vintage analogs for a price of one new Omega8. You could also get a MIDI/CV converter so you could control the vintage gear with MIDI.

But of course it's best to pick the one setup you prefer, but I'd get a vintage gear with sampler and/or MIDI/CV converter.

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well im definitely going vintage i just want to know ppls preferences to get a better grasp on the whole circut...

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[Machinegunjoe]

I always loved the basses of chicane, so then one day i read a interview with him and he told the magazine that he always uses the SH101 for basses. Thats why i got mine :) i love it

I also got the Waldorf pulse that also is very fat but the user interfce suxx, but im getting rid of it since i no longer need it. So if anyone is interested i have 1 for sale its mint condition and its yours for 2900 swedish kronor

Anyways im not very fond of analouge gear(older that is) i think its too much hassle. I like VAs :D

[TommyS]

Waldorf is now bankrupt so perhaps if you keep hold of it for a while the price may go up like vintage gear.

Waldorf filed for bankruptcy last week and their websites have been shut down now aswell. Perhaps they will come back with a new name.

:D

[Juho L]

Waldorf is now bankrupt so perhaps if you keep hold of it for a while the price may go up like vintage gear.

Waldorf filed for bankruptcy last week and their websites have been shut down now aswell. Perhaps they will come back with a new name.

No wonder there were so few Waldorf products in stores lately. I think Waldorf will do like Alesis: Get back on business with new owners and products.

[Machinegunjoe]

Waldorf is now bankrupt so perhaps if you keep hold of it for a while the price may go up like vintage gear.

Waldorf filed for bankruptcy last week and their websites have been shut down now aswell. Perhaps they will come back with a new name.

:D

Yeah! I heard about that, pity. I hope your right about the prices ;) anyone that wanna buy a Pulse....just 6000 sek...hehehe

[Hollowcell]

well im definitely going vintage i just want to know ppls preferences to get a better grasp on the whole circut...


think it will be cheaper for you to go vintage with a midi/cv kit.

as you know im chasing a few at the moment...but the ones im chasing to keep (as long as the prices are right) are:

korg mono/poly, ms20 (played on a mono/poly in ausi - cool sound)
roland 101

the rest i get ill pass on....im still biddin on heaps (much to my wifes disgust! :D


it is a real pitty about waldorf, but i seem to hear rumors of the company being bought out. they may crop up again.

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no wonder their site is down...I have been trying to get on their site for a few dayz...

peace
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BTW any1 know any places that just sell vintage gear...i freaking hate bidding...

[saba]

it is a real pitty about waldorf, but i seem to hear rumors of the company being bought out. they may crop up again.

Yeah, I still want a brand new Microwave XT/XTk :(
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[Hollowcell]

BTW any1 know any places that just sell vintage gear...i freaking hate bidding...

i know a store back home, but as far as online goes, i havent seen one.

[Blank]

yeah i have been looking all around and havent found a single online store that sells just analogue vintage gear...I freaking dont trust ebay either...hey hollow how much r jp8080's and nord lead 3 racks going for on that site u go to?
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[Hollowcell]

theres a jp8000 at the moment that has a few hours left to go adn its 19000yen now. theres heaps of 8000s but no 8080s.

there arent any NL3 racks at the moment, but there are a few 2s...anything imported tends to cost more than the japanese brands though - unless its vintage though.


now, just an update on the latest gear ive been going for...as u know ive been going for bargins only...but ill give u the prices of things went for....tell me if u think i should have bid further...

ms 20 - 32000yen
oberheim matrix 1000 - 16000yen
yamaha cs-30 with hard case - 28500yen
korg mono poly with hard case - 25000
jupiter 6 - 51000yen
sh101 (red) with mod grip and softcase - 30000
roland jx 3p - 11000

thats it so far..there has been some others too, but the prices went way abopve normal...maybe collectors picked them up...

as for now im bidding on another cs-10 with hardcase and a sequential tom...plus a bunch of rolands...


hope u find a shop blank...i think they are pretty rare coz it would be hard to give a garantee with vintage....

[saba]

Matrix 1000, I want :(
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I want more then i can get...i guess u could say i have a greed for synths...or a lust...but i dont care to screw them...

peace
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[Tomer=Trance]

i guss all the forum members has that
but not all of us can afford buying more and more synths :?

[Blank]

Isnt that the life of a poor fool :cry:

I am sick of everything in life revolving around money...why cant we be more like the ppl in star trek where money does not exist...and every1 works for a common goal...[rant close] :lol:

peace
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[Tomer=Trance]

yeah but who will make synths for us them blank? :wink:

[Juho L]

I am sick of everything in life revolving around money...why cant we be more like the ppl in star trek where money does not exist...and every1 works for a common goal...[rant close]

Hmm... Communism.

[Tomer=Trance]

yeah thats a good idea
go back in time and become a russian
thos russians made some amazing communist synths :D

[3o3]

theres a jp8000 at the moment that has a few hours left to go adn its 19000yen now. theres heaps of 8000s but no 8080s

DAMN! JP8000 is around 109.729 yen here in Sweden. Clavia's products tend to be really cheap thou..

I've seen Nordlead 2 (with hardcase) go for around 5500-7000:- SEK (102.414yen = $944)

I used forex.se to convert the rates so..

[Juho L]

thos russians made some amazing communist synths :D

Hmm... How can a synth be a communist? Hoho. It's a Soviet synth.

[3o3]

Hmm... How can a synth be a communist? Hoho. It's a Soviet synth.

Hehe.. who knows it's even maybe an capitalist synthesizer? 8O

[Juho L]

Hehe.. who knows it's even maybe an capitalist synthesizer?

Plays on its own and if someone tries to touch it it gives an electric shock. Of course when something gets broken in that synth it lets the repairman to touch it and when its fixed it starts playing on its own again. I love capitalist synths. Hoho.

[3o3]

Sounds like an typical trance-synthesizer you are talking about Juho!

damn, capitalist pig! - screw you, you communist dog!

[Tomer=Trance]

hey juho i see you did a bit of moduration to my post 8O its totaly gone :twisted:

minimoog V by arturia coming out this month
played the demo today and it sounded great
might give it a try
it shouldnt cost much 200-250 $ i guss

also the new korg vintage synths software pack coming out
ms20
polysix and wavestation in vst emulation by korg comes with a plasic ms20 usb midi controller :P
hehe :D

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communism is only good in theory...once humans get involved the whole thing gets screwed...capitalisms a bit twisted i must say...I liked the idea of pure democracy like the old time athenians...

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[Hollowcell]

theres a jp8000 at the moment that has a few hours left to go adn its 19000yen now. theres heaps of 8000s but no 8080s

DAMN! JP8000 is around 109.729 yen here in Sweden. Clavia's products tend to be really cheap thou..

I've seen Nordlead 2 (with hardcase) go for around 5500-7000:- SEK (102.414yen = $944)

I used forex.se to convert the rates so..


it really depends where u are doesnt it?

how about some of the other stuff i mentioned...what do the prices go for where u guys are?...i know in ausi they go for small fortunes! but what about your home countries?

[Juho L]

hey juho i see you did a bit of moduration to my post 8O its totaly gone

It's still there.

[Juho L]

communism is only good in theory...once humans get involved the whole thing gets screwed...

That's just a minor flaw. Don't be so pedant.

capitalisms a bit twisted i must say...

Indeed. Not good. Good for economy, bad for people.

I liked the idea of pure democracy like the old time athenians...

One man once said: "Only good in theory. Once humans get involved the whole thing gets screwed."

[Blank]

Very good point Juho i wonder who quoted that... :wink:

afterall the athenians didnt last half as long as most monarchies and then u have that whole problem about bribery and assassination...

peace
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