Wanna MS20 and Poly6?

[Hollowcell]

I was looking at the Korg site yesterday looking for info on the MS2000B and I found this.

http://www.korg.co.uk/images/legacy/legacy_poly02.jpg

http://www.korg.co.uk/images/legacy/legacy_ms20_02.jpg

http://www.korg.co.uk/images/legacy/legacy_ms20_01.jpg

That is the controller keyboard that comes with the package! A MS20 replica.

I wonder how it sounds!

http://www.korg.co.uk/products/pro_keyboard/legacy/pk_legacy.asp

[Tomer=Trance]

yeah ive been waiting for this
gone be out in couple of months and the demo mp3s sounded good

[3o3]

Yeah, thats pretty sweet - but i would like to have the hardware versions instead

[Hollowcell]

Yeh, I'd rather the hardware versions too for sure.

I took a listen to the demos last night and honestly, they didn't impress me so much. They didn't seem as alive as the real thing. I'm still looking forward to hearing them up close though.

[3o3]

Yeah, i really would like that ms-20. really nice synthesizer - well there are alot of nice synthesizers..

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

THis legacy pack costs ?400

As much as I like the sound of the ms20 and poly 6....Im sceptical about its digital emulation. However, tHe wavstation should be identical in sound. Its going to take me along time to get used to the idea of computer based software synths. To me, softsynths of this kind just seem wrong! I cant explain it......I just strongly feel that if you cant show it off on stage...then it just aint a synth in the true sense.

DS

[Tomer=Trance]

well i think they will emulate it realy nicely
it does take 40 % cpu use on a 2.8 512 ram pc

[hatembr]

i think the MS20 VSTi will be hard to crack since it requires (does it ??) the controller.... smart korg :)

[TommyS]

I think it should take longer for it to be cracked when the controller acts like a dongle but nothing is uncrackable

If they do random and regular updates that make the crack unusable and add new features and fixes then the groups will eventually not bother with it any more much like powercore and dsp cards plugins.

:D

[Blank]

you over estimate the company and under estimate the crack groups tommy

peace
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[Juho L]

you over estimate the company and under estimate the crack groups tommy

Yup. Dongle or not - It still gets cracked. And I really don't see a way how frequent updates could stop crackers, because all the crackers make cracks for fun as a hobby so they are delighted to get their hands on a new version to crack.

I'm really interested does Korg's VST's sound as plastic as their HW stuff.

[TommyS]

I dont think i do.

If it takes them 6 months to break the dongle and then once it has been released and new update for the dongle is available. It takes another 3 months to break and this keeps occuring then the groups will eventually leave that plugin and move on to other projects.

The powercore plugins havnt been cracked in over a year due to the fact the keep updating the drivers making the cracks unusable.

The only way i see them staying with one app even if its updated is with a mainstream one. An example could be nuendo.

Bad news for steinberg but good new`s for other smaller company`s if they keep updating their protection. Software protection will be cracked more easily that using hardware dongles.etc

But will updating the protection outway the price of lost sales due to piracy? Thats where the company`s need to make a choice

:D

[Hollowcell]

I'm really interested does Korg's VST's sound as plastic as their HW stuff.

Ehh, an HW MS-20 sound plastic? 8O

I think the controller/dongle in this case is more working on the want values of people rather than the dongle key side of things. I think many people will want the controller, and the fact it works as a dongle is just a pisser for the people who just want something for nothing.

Having said that though, I'm a firm believer of the try before you buy method. :wink:

Hold on though - does the controller actually work as a dongle? I haven't read that it does anywhere.

[3o3]

I'd sure like to have a real MS20 and no software.. besides the controller is a smaller version also of the real MS20.. i quote from korg.com's homepage.

with a dedicated MS-20 Controller that faithfully replicates the original MS-20 at 84% of the original size

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I'd just like to remind you guys what true analog sounds like...even when its being run through a shitty digital Alesis Quadraverb!

http://artists.iuma.com/site-bin/mp3gen/87398/IUMA/Bands/DIGITAL_SCREAMS/audio/DIGITAL_SCREAMS_-_Korg_MonoPoly.mp3

LETS GO BACK TO REAL ANALOG MONO's. Manufactures could easily make rackmount analog mono's for ?500. Its about fucking time.

DIGITAL SCREAMS IS A COMPUTER BASED SOFTSYNTH *NO ZONE!*

DS

[Juho L]

Ehh, an HW MS-20 sound plastic? 8O

Doh! Is MS20 digital 1990-2000 Korg synth? No.

[hatembr]

do u really have to make patch connections on the controller to replicate it on the VST or are those just for the design? they don't talk about this neither....

[Tomer=Trance]

its just to make people like dc feel like they are using a real patcheble modular :o

[Hollowcell]

do u really have to make patch connections on the controller to replicate it on the VST or are those just for the design? they don't talk about this neither....

I don't know about this either. Surely they would make it so you can patch on the screen too.

LETS GO BACK TO REAL ANALOG MONO's. Manufactures could easily make rackmount analog mono's for ?500. Its about fucking time.

I agree! Although only for bass though. I will be picking up more Monos for sure. I can't wait for the next purchase.

its just to make people like dc feel like they are using a real patcheble modular

True, but I'm glad it has some type of hardware interface. Patching with the Nord micro tended to be a bit of a headfuck IMO.

[3o3]

I agree! Although only for bass though

I would like to say that analouge gear is really nice for lush pads and leads as well.. some even have the capability to make great FX (with alittle help from effects like phaser/flanger and so on)

Surely they would make it so you can patch on the screen too.

I think i've seen on Sonicstate.com that it is possible to patch the MS-20 on the screen, the controller is more for "fun" and gives the package a more "Damn, i want that controller also".. I think it is a smartmove by Korg, since they will probably sell alot more than just having people downloading it.. I am gonna buy it - well not me but the swedish state (hehe) for me :)

[DJ REMIDI]

Two things:

1. There is already a cracked version of Korg Legacy Collection :x
2. I attended a demo of these synths and I was very impressed with the sounds quality. Although I've never used a real MS-20 or Polysix, their software emulations sound better than any other soft synth I have heard so far. I was especially impressed with MS-20's bass sounds, in a nutshell - gut-wrenching! Isn't that how we like them? :D

-REMIDI

[saba]

I was especially impressed with MS-20's bass sounds, in a nutshell - gut-wrenching! Isn't that how we like them? :D

I prefer trouser-flapping.
________
Wendie 99 (http://www.lovelywendie99.com/)

[saba]

I was especially impressed with MS-20's bass sounds, in a nutshell - gut-wrenching! Isn't that how we like them? :D

I prefer trouser-flapping.
________
ASIAN MATURE (http://www.fucktube.com/categories/131/mature/videos/1)

[Hollowcell]

Two things:

1. There is already a cracked version of Korg Legacy Collection :x
2. I attended a demo of these synths and I was very impressed with the sounds quality. Although I've never used a real MS-20 or Polysix, their software emulations sound better than any other soft synth I have heard so far. I was especially impressed with MS-20's bass sounds, in a nutshell - gut-wrenching! Isn't that how we like them? :D

-REMIDI

I am definitely looking forward to having a listen.

I can't imagine the MS-20 replica comming close to the original, but I am looking forward to hearing what the soft Wavestation can do.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The thing is guys.........

You listen to the software versions and think there great. But why? What sounds great about them. Ive played both Poly6 and MS20 hardware versions.....and to my ears the software emulations sound boring.

I'd like to know why it is I feel this way about software synths in general. There is one exception.....the Virus. The Virus is the only softsynth that ive come to like. I think every set up needs a balance between Real and vitual analog + some nice wavetable + FM.

Alot of pop acts do use softsynth plugins.......and in my opinion...it just adds to th eshitness of the songs themselves. Pop music nowadays is bloody appalling......overused Triton presets and softsynths. The music has no real feeling and the instruments used have no atmosphere at all. I'd like to cast everyones mind back to groups like Japan and Genesis. Classic analog Prophet 5 strings, pads, blips and bleeps.......alot more real and atmospheric. Todays music sounds over produced, compressed, boring and fake. I attribute this to shitty song writing and SOFTSYNTHS!!!!!!!

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

However....

I do appreciate that old analogs are hard to come by. They need to be looked after and they are expensive to buy. Unfortunatley I must conceed that for the majority of people softsynths is the only way forward......but I really do feel that its at the detrimental cost to music.

Oh god I sound like such an arsehole......heheheh

DS :lol:

[jasedee]

However....

I do appreciate that old analogs are hard to come by. They need to be looked after and they are expensive to buy. Unfortunatley I must conceed that for the majority of people softsynths is the only way forward......but I really do feel that its at the detrimental cost to music.

Oh god I sound like such an arsehole......heheheh

DS :lol:

Hehehe...you do sound like a jaded old, cynical muso :)

Pop music, especially most top ten stuff should always be viewed as the "money industry"....and NOT the "Music Industry", since this is really what it is about. Artistic fullfillment comes secondary to making money, and for what it is, it is good. It is there to provide an image, a trend, fashion, after all the music industry is a fashion industry. And these kids lap it up and buy heaps of albums and roll around in their cars thinkin they are the shit.....and the record labels and artists make shit loads of money, churning out sweatshop style tunes.....fundamentally they acheive what they set out to do.....make money. Sell an image, and make themselves celebrity's. This then gives the media something to write about ie rock star in fatal overdose/shooting,bitch fight.

So you have to try and not confuse the pop industry with the music industry, or the artistic side of music.....most normal people know that pop music is shit....and you take it for what it is. it will never change, and we should not bag it out because it does sustain alot of people, and at the same time, makes ALOT of people happy....and thats not a bad thing.

Actually, I kinda think pop music is getting a bit better. Songs like OutKasts "hey ya"....very catchy, cool, and fresh sounding pop. Stuff by N.E.R.D......breaking the "black R&B producer" stereotype....and making some cool tunes in the process....(not to mention making heaps of cash to allow them to fulfill their artistic desires)

Gosh.....I am starting to ramble on.....Wasnt this topic about softsynths or something? Oh yeah, I dont really like em'

jase

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I agree that there have been one or 2 good pop songs recently. I think the OutKast song is good too. But oh bollox...im tied and hot......ill goto bed and then maybe ill be able to think of something tom say about the crappy pop industry.

lol

signing off, nite nite

DS

[3o3]

Err, ds it's not even 9 yet.. party!! party!

[Tomer=Trance]

and its saturday too!
jesus my little 6 yaer old brother goes to bed later then that :P

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Oh....errmmmm cough cough......

Im not tired......

I know something that will energise me.....the MS20 software version with its incredible fat and real sound.

LMAO

DS

[tranzash]

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http://www.korg.co.uk/images/legacy/legacy_ms20_01.jpg

That is the controller keyboard that comes with the package! A MS20 replica.

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guys, does this controller have any midi outs/ins?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

LOL.....have u tried playing that thing? Its got the minikeys and its light and plastic. Unplayable in my opinion.

DS

[Juho L]

LOL.....have u tried playing that thing? Its got the minikeys and its light and plastic. Unplayable in my opinion.

Yup. That HW thing is just piece of junk that's almost completely useless.

[jasedee]

it is merely a novelty item.....a toy. I agree, completely unplayable!

[Tomer=Trance]

cerful not to break the knobs :o

[Hollowcell]

How does that MS-20-ish controller compare to a Micro-korg? Anybody played both?

I spent 40 minutes or so yesterday with a Micro-korg.
This was a shop demo Micro-korg and it had taken a hiding! I should have taken a picture of it. Dents, scratches, the mic looked like it had been folded 100 times, knobs were so loose and it mad funny noises when playing (no I don't mean the sound coming out either)! Although it's very light and kinda weak looking, it had been abused hard and still was working.

If they are of similar construction, then I'd say that MS controller could do the job OK. Those small keys would still suck of course though.

[jasedee]

Even the micro korg feels like a toy.....small plasticy keys with a very nasty feel to them. If you have not played with a weighted keyboard, you are missing out. Weighted keyboards are such a pleasure to play on, which is why I prefer to buy rack modules.....cos one day I will save up for a nice, weighted master MIDI controller..

Jase

[Tomer=Trance]

yes they realy are great jade...

[Hollowcell]

I have never been a fan of the weighted keyboards myself. Using a Micro-korg for a controller keyboard would be a huge mistake though :D . Getting out ideas or programming while you are travelling would be fine though.