Virus indigo for powercore

[ten]

Well, got mine delivered yesterday after a long 2 months delay of its release and the most prick tease of a demo ever ;)

Installation could of been easier and I think will cause a lot of people problems (mainly tc support :) Anyhow, got it all up and running and I can say its simply amazing. The sound is identical to a virus b and it imports patches perfectly. Even virus c sounds it will import and they sound fine even without the eq and moog filter settings some have.

Having these kind of sounds in vsti form now is a godsend, I used to (and still do) hate working with outboard hardware and audio files, recording, processing, changing stuff, re-recording, midi-chans....total pain in the arse.

My only real gripe is the polyphony count. You only get 16 voices per dsp which max out REALLY easily on large string/pad patches. I loaded megapad1 from the vengence sound incubation2, played a triad chord and ALL 16 were used with just those 3 keys, then you get that annoying sucking sound when you switch to another triad as all the voices have run out. Dont even think about using the other 3 parts for different sounds when using a big string/pad patch. Of course I can turn down the unison and take out the 3rd osc and turn off the sub osc.....but who wants to? Real bummer :cry:

And why oh why did they not change/remove the stupid global reverb/delay, it makes using it in multipart useless. This has to easily be the most hated part of any virus.

Anyhow, aside from those 2 things, the virus powercore is great. Sound is awesome and it runs pretty much flawlessly. I will be definatly getting the multidsp license when it comes out.

ten

[303lovesit]

No way so it sound great does it? would you say its just as good as the real thing?

Also I dont use any soft synths atall really but the Vanguard really is good! with the right amount of processing it sounds fat as and really seems to lock bang on on the notes which really annoys my on the Virus!!

The virus dosnt seem to lock full on and alyway get anyone Phasing off my Beats sum times!! Im talking mili seconds here!!!

[303lovesit]

Very noticeable on 1/32 riff! I like the Idea of not having to get soft synths off as Audio adding processing to each channel while midi is still in active!!!

Can you do this wth the Virus Plugin "ten"? :)

[ten]

It sounds exactly the same as the hardware version. Its truly awesome. Im buying another powercore soon so I can have 4 more virus plugins running :)

I dont agree about vanguard, I think it has one of the worst sound quality of any soft synth. Oh yea, it makes really nice cheesy trance sounds, and manuels demo makes it sound even better, but the synth itself and the sound quality is absolutley dire. The grainyness from the oscs, the harsh tones and the aliasing all over the place. It sits so badly in a mix its pretty much unusable. I wouldnt recommend vanguard to anyone, disaster softsynth.

The last part of your question I do not understand... The virus dosnt seem to lock full on and alyway get anyone Phasing off my Beats sum times!! Im talking mili seconds here!!!" sorry, dont have a clue what your talking about here.

"I like the Idea of not having to get soft synths off as Audio adding processing to each channel while midi is still in active!!! "

Yes the virus plugin works like any other soft-synth. Load an instance and add effects to the vst chan and no audio processing needed, lovely.

Ten

[303lovesit]

Mate I wouldnt use the Vanguard as a main lead in a track im pure outboard!!

But with very well placed and used processing it sounds very good a matter what you say!

Havnt used the original sounds so dont know what you mean....



I meant my Virus dosnt sit full on in time in the mix compared to plugginns... Yes its in time but slightly sways left and right in the mix meaning the plug in virus probably locks lot beter being a pluginn and all!

[ten]

Sounds like you have some serious hardware/software problems (and english/grammer) there ;) I know loads of people using outboard and the hardware virus' with no problems like that at all.

And vanguard is still shit, no matter what YOU say :)

ten

[303lovesit]

And vanguard is still shit, no matter what YOU say


Each 2 there own dude!!!

Besides I dont use it anyhow mayyyyyte! :lol:

Just stating my view that it can sound fat with some well placed and thoughtful processing!!

Sounds like you have some serious hardware/software problems (and english/grammer) there

Yeah man for real some of the swedish guys on here have better engelash then me!!

But if you looking for it I suppose ill have to get my thick dictionary out like the one Mummy bought you for Christmas!!! :wink:

[ben crosland]

I agree with you on the Virus Powercore - it rules!

There's no way they could have altered the Global Reverb/Delay though, as it is still on one DSP, just like in the hardware Virus. However, when you get yourself the Multi license, you will have a separate Delay/Reverb for each DSP, which should prove to be enough.

On the subject of Vanguard, I have to admit I was pretty disappointed with it as well - as I played through all the presets, I felt like I was listening to the same sound over and over. The flexibility of the Virus makes a mockery of crud like that!

[303lovesit]

To be fair though thats why I dont use any soft synths mate!!!

But still in my opinion, they have to be one of the beter ones on the market!! :)

[nrgy]

\ :D / getting my virus powercore plugin next week. can't wait!

[303lovesit]

Nice! :wink:

How much are they going for at present? :?:

[nrgy]

I bought it for about 4000 NOK = 490 EURO, ordered 14. april :lol:

[303lovesit]

Ideal 8)

[Shrooby]

Hi.

I'm seriously thinking of selling my Virus B to get one of these and go for a completely computer based setup.

I just want to know a couple of things first.

How does the patch management work? Can Virus Powercore recognise entire SMF banks or just single patches? and are performances / patches stored upon saving your Logic / Cubase project?

Is each DSP limited to 16 voices? What if you want more voices for just one channel? will there be any way of getting round this with multi DSP license? and is this the same for both Powercore PCI and Firewire?

Ta.
:wink:
Tommo.

[replicant]

How does the patch management work? Can Virus Powercore recognise entire SMF banks or just single patches? and are performances / patches stored upon saving your Logic / Cubase project?

VPC will load banks from .mid files (I guess if you only have one preset in a bank you'd be covered for single patches). What you do is that you place the .mid files in a specific folder and after launch their available in VPC (you can also do a re-scan directory if you've added a .mid file while working with VPC loaded)

Patches are saved with the Cubase project (would think it works for Logic as well)

Is each DSP limited to 16 voices? What if you want more voices for just one channel? will there be any way of getting round this with multi DSP license? and is this the same for both Powercore PCI and Firewire?

You'll get about 50% more voices out of a FireWire with the multi-DSP license (since it has about 50% more power). But as far as I know you'll only get 16 voices playing on each DSP, that is the limit. However, since the Multi DSP license isn't out yet, I can't say that as a definite.

[ben crosland]

As far as I know the voice count is the same on the Firewire as the PCI.

The patch management system is pretty sophisticated. Virus PowerCore reads .mid files of entire banks, sorts them automatically by Category, compiles a Recently Used folder as well as a Favourites folder.

[Shrooby]

ok, this all sounds great. Thanks. I think i'll be making the switch...

[grimleyj]

Be careful if you decide to go with the FireWire version. Check with your retailer that you can return it if needed. I only say this because I could not get it to work at all with my system (see below). Nothing but sync errors and timeouts all over the place. I wasn't the only one either! I ended up going for the much cheaper PCI Element which works great and which IMHO is much better value if you don't mind losing the MasterX3. Plus you can always add the mastering plugin later fairly cheap.

On another note, to the guy above who is having problems with drift on his Virus b, sounds like you need to upgrade your midi interface or otherwise debug this sync issue, as I have very tight audio to midi sync with my Virus b. This was not always the case. A few years back I had similiar problems when using a MidiMan USB interface.

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[replicant]

As far as I know the voice count is the same on the Firewire as the PCI.


Ben you're absolutely correct. :oops: :wink:

[Shrooby]

It was the PCI version i was going to get anyway but thanks for the tip.
You can get the PCI Powercore with Virus and Master X3 for ?699 at Digital Village which is only ?30 more than the Powercore + Virus bundle. Don't know if thats a mistake but ?30 for Master X3? Yes please!

One negative thing though, i think i might have to replace my M-Audio Delta 66 soundcard, from what i have heard, the Powercore and Delta series don't like each other.

[Tomer=Trance]

try looking at rme cards insted of the delta
great stuff they have and the prices are not too high

[benblue]

wow....i really want this...the only things i dont like about my indigo 2 are exactly what the vpc offer.....easier categorization, folders, favorites, and best fo all....its already in the domain of audio, ready for all my plugins to be thrown on top of it....

dont get me wrong guys, i LOVE my big silver beauty, more than any gear i have ever had....(used to think the jp 8080 was "it") but im definitely gonna check the vpc out more now....please bring any more input/ feedback !

but this is just making me think...