Next dance music sound

[psynpose]

Hi guys - any suggestions on what you think the next dance music will sound like? We've had trance, d n b, psytrance, garage, breakbeat etc. - Maybe psybreaktech-bass!

Pete

[Hollowcell]

I say it will be something I like to call Funkatronic-psykcore-breaktrance. :D

[Tomer=Trance]

there is techno mixed with psy trance
eatstatic for example
still waiting for their album to release :(

[Juho L]

there is techno mixed with psy trance

I think this is already the past. Made me stop listening to psytrance (every track was boring minimal rubbish).

I'm still waiting for the horrid wave of disco-flavoured house/electronica.

[jasedee]

A blend of house/breaks......progressive breaks maybe?

[jasedee]

With some ragga vocals

[Hollowcell]

I'm still waiting for the horrid wave of disco-flavoured house/electronica.

Already done. I knew 2 places at home that would play exactly that. And I know a DJ here who is into the same sort of stuff.

Let's face it everything has been done and there will be no more set genres any more - except Trance - that's here to stay.

[Juho L]

Let's face it everything has been done and there will be no more set genres any more

Yup. Genres just get recycled. Old things come up again and after a while they are forgotten again until they are found again. This continues to infinity.

[Timo]

I quite like the new sound of really sleazy underground electronica, like Goldfrapp.

[hatembr]

I think this is already the past. Made me stop listening to psytrance (every track was boring minimal rubbish).

I'm still waiting for the horrid wave of disco-flavoured house/electronica.

what will make me stop listening to psy trance now is the new full on style. It becomes boring when u listen to it a lot. Old melodic goa tunes are gone for ever, those were nice creations, unfortunatly, nowdays most of the psy artists are making fullon, tons of fx and usullay bare, no melodies and just a little heavy nord saw bass. Minimal.
Few days ago i listened to a full on compilation and only two tracks amazed me:
- The Prayer (Electric Universe) which had an old school feel and a very hypnotizing prayer in sanskrit (hindi)
- Life System (Astrix) which is one of my fav fullon artists because he still makes nice melodies in his tunes.

I really hope the old goa style will come up again, it is frustrating to have an idea in mind and you fell like a bareer that stops you in your creations, the feeling that you will be outdated...

anyway, beside psy trance, i think there is a general sickness, most tracks are remixes of old disco&funky tunes! people are out of ideas. That is weird, when thechnology has developed and new synthes and sonic possibilities have been offered to artists, they just use it to remix old hits and they become like ruminants.... recycle and recycle and recycle.

Anyway.... i hope this fashion will lead psy artists to come back to old school goa!!

[saba]

I think this is already the past. Made me stop listening to psytrance (every track was boring minimal rubbish).

I'm still waiting for the horrid wave of disco-flavoured house/electronica.

what will make me stop listening to psy trance now is the new full on style. It becomes boring when u listen to it a lot. Old melodic goa tunes are gone for ever, those were nice creations, unfortunatly, nowdays most of the psy artists are making fullon, tons of fx and usullay bare, no melodies and just a little heavy nord saw bass. Minimal.

Totally agree :( Hate it. I want the utter kick-arse multilayered melodic goa stuff, like Pleiadians.

Few days ago i listened to a full on compilation and only two tracks amazed me:
- The Prayer (Electric Universe) which had an old school feel and a very hypnotizing prayer in sanskrit (hindi)

Electric Universe = Boris Blenn, he's been around for yonks. The Prayer is the first track from his newest album, where he tries to get into the whole new goa/psy sound. It doesn't work :(

- Life System (Astrix) which is one of my fav fullon artists because he still makes nice melodies in his tunes.

Astrix is okay. Similar to the new EU sound, and Psydrop. Although the stuff isn't fullon, but its a load of fun since its got those groovy basslines :D
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[hatembr]

Electric Universe = Boris Blenn, he's been around for yonks. The Prayer is the first track from his newest album, where he tries to get into the whole new goa/psy sound. It doesn't work

yeah but i found his track different from usual fullon, he kept something from old school stuff i think... may be those growling basslines...

[Juho L]

Totally agree :( Hate it. I want the utter kick-arse multilayered melodic goa stuff, like Pleiadians.

Pleiadians, yay! Meter and Moon in Your Windows are my favourites. Too bad I haven't gotten my hands on their debute album.

[saba]

Totally agree :( Hate it. I want the utter kick-arse multilayered melodic goa stuff, like Pleiadians.

Pleiadians, yay! Meter and Moon in Your Windows are my favourites. Too bad I haven't gotten my hands on their debute album.

It's neigh impossible to find. But its, arguably, the finest psytrance album ever produced. Completely crushes Family of Light.

If your search is fruitless, you can get it from me off soulseek at 320kbps/APE format.
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[psynpose]

Hey I had no idea you guys had such good taste! :wink: Pleiadians are amazing it's a real shame they don't do much anymore, but they gave us so much.... I completely agree with hollocell about goa etc., the good stuff was in the old days..... I listened to hallucinogen recently and he is unbelievable but I think he's lost the human touch, his tracks seem more impressive than emotional.

Cheers

Pete

check 'shining' on my website http://www.psynposemusic.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk - it's not great but it has it's good points - it's a bit like Infected Mushroom.

[Tomer=Trance]

infected's new upcoming album is gone be realy fresh
coming out in around aug-nov.

[ledge]

what will make me stop listening to psy trance now is the new full on style. It becomes boring when u listen to it a lot. Old melodic goa tunes are gone for ever, those were nice creations, unfortunatly, nowdays most of the psy artists are making fullon, tons of fx and usullay bare, no melodies and just a little heavy nord saw bass. Minimal.

yes, full on has well and truly dissapeared up its own arse.

I quite like some of the psy/progressive stuff, Antix, Freq, Atmos, Son Kite and so on.

Also, there are some good artists still out there, Rinkadink, Wrecked Machines and Prometheus are all worth looking out for. Just stay away from Isreali artists as they all seem to be being dragged into the full on scene. Pity as some of them a really, really talented.

[Smag]

I quite like the new sound of really sleazy underground electronica, like Goldfrapp.

If you like that Timo, I suggest you try out Two Lone Swordsmen's new album " Two From The Double Gone Chapel"

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Im waiting for the 80's to come back hehehe

DS

[tranzash]

Hi guys - any suggestions on what you think the next dance music will sound like? We've had trance, d n b, psytrance, garage, breakbeat etc. - Maybe psybreaktech-bass!

Pete

maybe ambient psy horror...

[TommyS]

Techno seems to be really popular at the moment. Alot of clubs having techno dj`s like adam beyer, arkus P, liebing, picotto as main features.

Dont know how long it`ll last tho, cause it`s not for majority of people.

:)

[3o3]

maybe ambient psy horror...

Every new psy-trance artist is trying to get this "psy-horror-ambient-electro"-sound but it only sounds odd. And everybody says that they have their own style which is alot of bullcrap. I couldn't even sound unique if i only made my music with sounds produced by my own body nowadays.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

You really want to sound different? Stay away from dance/techno.....and go back to the writing principles of the 80's.

hehehe

Try it...

DS

[3o3]

Touch me?

[Hollowcell]

You really want to sound different? Stay away from dance/techno.....and go back to the writing principles of the 80's.


I'm not sure if you realise how much of a contradiction this actually is DS :wink: . Hehehe

[Tomer=Trance]

80s music is dance! LOL :lol:

[Juho L]

80s music is dance! LOL :lol:

No, poor Tomer. It's synthpop. Damn modern youth! Don't even know anyhing about 80's! It's extremely important to know everything about 80's that people won't make the same mistakes again. ?hih.

[TommyS]

Most of the 80`s music sucked really bad. i`ve heard monkeys with better musical skill`s than some groups. :P

There was only a few that were good.

Lets just leave it where it should be. The past.

Electronic music is here to stay. Perhaps not the same styles but as an overall genre.

:)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

You really want to sound different? Stay away from dance/techno.....and go back to the writing principles of the 80's.


I'm not sure if you realise how much of a contradiction this actually is DS :wink: . Hehehe

LOL......

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Touch me?

Yes I'd like to ...but ur g/f might have something to say about that. BTW im not talking about cheesy shitty 80's music. Im talkng about the high quality stuff they played in underground nightclubs in shefield, newcastle, London etc.

U guys wil ask me what tracks and artists am I referring to...but im embarrassed to say I dont know. I got them on cassette tapes and I have no idea who did them.....but for me...this music defined the 80's. THere were some very good commercial 80's hits....but I prefferred the darker, more synthy electro of underground material.

Ill try record somethin off these tapes and sow u all asap.

DS

[3o3]

DS: she doesn't mind at all.. hehe

and yah, please post some examples of that music you

[Juho L]

Most of the 80`s music sucked really bad. i`ve heard monkeys with better musical skill`s than some groups. :P

*cough* 90's and trance *cough*, *cough* and hard house *cough*, *cough* and booring minimal stuff in general *cough*. Damn with this cough of mine.

[Gopal]

I don't think the hardhouse/hard trance thing has come anywhere near peaking. I think alot of people are put off by these words because it brings mental images of Vengaboys and DJ Sammy when in reality, the good stuff is some of the most stonking and creative electronic music out there. It is full of melody with driving hard beats under it. What more do you want?

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one eyed, I love all kinds of music but I think that when they find a new term for these genres that doesn't evoke negative mental images, people will start going to the parties alot more and we will see these genres grow immensely.

Also, it may be just before its time. E.G. Heavy metal...The best stuff was made in the 80's and wasn't really all that commercially viable and now talentless fools like Linkin Park are making a killing nearly 20 years later.

[Juho L]

the good stuff is some of the most stonking and creative electronic music out there.

I think you're not talking about hard trance/hard house here. Hoho. I've said millions of times how whole trance genre is marking time when 99,9% of the artists are copycats. One guy gets a new idea and immediately billion other producers are copying that idea. It's just killing the whole genre. Creative and trance just won't fit on the same sentence. Sad but true.

The easy access of top quality production equipement is killing trance. There are heaps of trance producers out there who don't seem to have any kind of idea of what they are doing, they just copy. That made me thinking maybe we should get a system in which you would need a written permission/certificate to get music software or synths: You'll get the synths when you know what you're doing.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not one eyed, I love all kinds of music but I think that when they find a new term for these genres that doesn't evoke negative mental images, people will start going to the parties alot more and we will see these genres grow immensely.

This genre thing on electronic scene is hilarious. It seems that most of the people just focus their creative efforts on new genres instead of music. Hoho. There's a point in what you said, but the history has taught us that when someone invents a new genre and the genre becomes popular then all of a sudden over 50% of artists are on that genre no matter what kind of music they make. And this effect happens on all over the electronic scene and even on "traditional" music scene (for example progressive rock, it seems everybody want to be cool and progressive so they call their music as progressive rock even they sound like Yngwie Malmsten). But sometimes there's no reason for creating a new genre. In those cases creating a new genre is some sort of ego boosting of the inventor: "I make neuro-progressive acupunctic feeble trance, and because no-one else listens to it or makes it, I must be cool and ahead of my time", which means he/she makes trance, but calling it trance is sooooo out and lame. Or maybe he/she is just one of those different-no-matter-what people. He/she invents claustrophobic neoindustrial fartcore and then makes tracks only by farting on bassline and trying to look smart.

Also, it may be just before its time. E.G. Heavy metal...The best stuff was made in the 80's and wasn't really all that commercially viable and now talentless fools like Linkin Park are making a killing nearly 20 years later.

Linkin Park and the other rubbish shouldn't be mixed with heavy metal. Let the nu-metal white-rapperish-boy-doing-angstic-metal guys be. Good thing is though that they actaully invented a new genre themselves instead of trying to be black metal or something. Hoho. They surely know what's best for them.

[Hollowcell]

neoindustrial fartcore

They should call "white labels" "brown labels" with this genre!

That's all I wanted to add to this thread.

But before I leave....

it seems everybody want to be cool and progressive so they call their music as progressive rock

Cool and progressive are 2 adjectives that should not be used to describe the "prog rock" genre. The only prog rock music I have listened to is the stuff you have linked me to Juho, and there is one adjective I'd use to descibe that - Crap! :lol:

[Juho L]

Cool and progressive are 2 adjectives that should not be used to describe the "prog rock" genre. The only prog rock music I have listened to is the stuff you have linked me to Juho, and there is one adjective I'd use to descibe that - Crap!

Blasphemy! Progressive rock is best you can have! Fusion jazz and progressive rock is all you need. Plus some healthy dose of black metal, classical, basic rock, ambient, and actually everything. And by the way when talking about progressive rock you really should think what was progressive in the 70's, not what's progressive at the moment.

Edit: I think everybody on this forum should give even one listen to Dancing With the Moonlight Knight by Genesis and Tarkus by Emerson, Lake & Palmer. Brilliant classics. Also not to forget Aqualung by Jethro Tull or Shine On You Crazy Diamond by Pink Floyd... There are so many classics. Plus remember to listen to some Jaco Pastorius' stuff (Chicken, Kuru/Speak Like a Child) before you say any of your music groovy. ?hih.

Maybe we should put up a thread where people could list their favourite tracks. I'd like to have something fresh on my playlist for a change.

[Gopal]

When I say hardhouse or hard trance I mean the kind of stuff you will find for sale at bangingtunes.com

Have a listen to some of the releases on there eg. Prime Movers Perfect Orgasm on Tripoli.

I hope to be able to match this one day

[Purusha]

there is techno mixed with psy trance
eatstatic for example
still waiting for their album to release :(

Hardly the next thing though...

[Purusha]

"Creative and trance just won't fit on the same sentence. Sad but true."

There are loads of very creative producers out there. Statements like the above just illustrate narrow minded-ness.

[Juho L]

There are loads of very creative producers out there. Statements like the above just illustrate narrow minded-ness.

The creativeness should be a bit more popular. One or two guys being creative can't keep up probably the biggest electronic genre. As I said someone invents something new and right away others are copying.

[Purusha]

And the copying never happened in any other genre? Prog Rock never got "copied"? Give over!

Plagiarism doesn't diminish an original - or at least it shouldn't IMO.

I say again - there are *many* creative producers out there.

If you don't want to see past the end of your musical nose, at least have the decency to not diminish a whole genre you're not familiar with.

[Juho L]

I think I'll have to repeat myself again. ?hih.

Everyhting gets copied to certain point. You can't make anything totally new nowadays. To create something new you just end up combining things in a new innovative way. This is what I'd like to see. People bringing something new to the genre. Something that's not done before.

The point here is that on some genres producers are just making almost exact replicates only changing a little bit of it. Nothing personal, nothing new, just mindless boring copies. It's like every track is a new remix of an old track. This is a problem especially on some electronic music genres. It's just sad that the some creative stuff get drowned by this mindless copycat crap. The precentage of creative stuff on some genres is about 1% or less.

As I mentioned on my earlier postings, sometimes it feels that people forget to be creative and break the rules. They are afraid to experiment. Thay are too serious. They think like that a law forces them to do exactly the same stuff over and over again.

And again: Forget the seriousness. As one producer I know said: "Being serious and making well is two different things". This means that making good music doesn't mean (and usually won't mean) that you'll have to be dead serious.

[Purusha]

ROFL - exact copies!?

How many "Tribute Bands" are there in psy-trance as opposed to prog rock?

And for the record - I actually like prog rock, except where it gets really self-indulgent (and it does).

My real objection to your anti-trance argument (over several threads) is where you're saying that: because some trance has been effectively plagiarised (and I don't see it in my championed sub-genre after many years of involvement BTW), trance is therefore somehow worth condemnation - wholesale.

It seems you don't like to miss an opportunity to put *trance* down.

I say again - plagiarism doesn't diminish an original idea.

[Juho L]

Aaargh! I wrote a long posting and then the browser decided to do something funny and closed the window. Well, to put it short in few steps:

1. I'm speaking of all music in general, but the problem is worst in electronic music where the threshold to start making music is the lowest.

2. I don't see anything good in plagiarism. Of course it brings certain safety to a genre (i.e. you don't ever get suprised, ?hih).

3. And I say again: They are creative producers around in every genre (well, almost in every genre, ?hih), but the precentage of the creative people is getting smaller and smaller every day. This is a problen, no?

[Purusha]

Hmmm. Well I'm not sure that even electronic music is as pervasive.

I'm thinking about the multitude of guitarist wannabees - more lo-tech, but just as much potential for lack of creativity.

I understand your argument. All I'm saying (and you do seem to be agreeing in a sense) is that there is quality stuff in there - OK you might have to dig through the crap to get at it.

But hey - that's part of my *job* as a DJ. Find the gems and play them to an audience.

:wink:

Also for the record - I don't just DJ other producer's material. I also produce myself. Hence the interest in this forum

Used to own a Virus B, but swapped it out for Virus Powercore. Fits in better with my studio as things are.

[Juho L]

Hmmm. Well I'm not sure that even electronic music is as pervasive.

I'm thinking about the multitude of guitarist wannabees - more lo-tech, but just as much potential for lack of creativity.

Yup. But on the era of cheap/free ok quality software more and more of these guitar hero wannabe's end up making trance. By the way have anyone done research why all the wannabe kids start making trance? Why not electronica or drum'n'bass?

I understand your argument. All I'm saying (and you do seem to be agreeing in a sense) is that there is quality stuff in there - OK you might have to dig through the crap to get at it.

Yes. And digging through the crap is frusturating when the amount of crap is virtually insane.

Also for the record - I don't just DJ other producer's material. I also produce myself. Hence the interest in this forum

Used to own a Virus B, but swapped it out for Virus Powercore. Fits in better with my studio as things are.

Yup. I planned to get a PoCo Virus next year. Getting a cheap software Virus is perfect for my needs.

[Purusha]

BTW - I think you might have mis-understood what I meant by "plagiarism doesn't diminish an original".

I meant that because something is 'copied', it doesn't mean that the original becomes worthless. The original still stands in its own right.

I wasn't trying to say plagiarism is a good thing.

[Juho L]

BTW - I think you might have mis-understood what I meant by "plagiarism doesn't diminish an original".

I meant that because something is 'copied', it doesn't mean that the original becomes worthless. The original still stands in its own right.

I wasn't trying to say plagiarism is a good thing.

The original doesn't get worthless, the copy is worthless. It's like forging known paintings - The original retains its value and the forgery is totally worthless. And the more people forge the more worthless the average gets.

[Purusha]

Like this you mean?

"ReGenesis - The Early Genesis Tribute Band"

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~andyrh/

"Tribute" bands (as a concept in general)

:roll:

[Juho L]

Like this you mean?

"ReGenesis - The Early Genesis Tribute Band"

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~andyrh/

"Tribute" bands (as a concept in general)

Hey, can't get enought vintage Genesis, I say. Tribute bands, covers and remixes are not a problem. Actually they are brilliant.

[Purusha]

But - they're copies!?!?

"The original doesn't get worthless, the copy is worthless. It's like forging known paintings - The original retains its value and the forgery is totally worthless. And the more people forge the more worthless the average gets."

:lol:

I know there's the point that they're meant to be copies and stated as such, but that's no real excuse in my book. Where's the "creativity" there. Sure - take the originals as influence and extrapolate. No problems with that.

The kind of style copying you seem to be levelling at trance, I'd also level at bands say like: Marrilion (sp?) who sounded very much like Genesis.

They were adopting a style, not duplicating tracks. That's all that's happening in the Trance I come across. I don't hear attempts to duplicate, but I do see the adoption of styles.

[jasedee]

Right or wrong, everyone has a right to their opinion, and just because someone doesnt agree with it, doesnt mean that their opinion is somehow invalid......

My opinion? Trance is shit.....

:)

[Purusha]

And you'd be *wrong*!

Just my opinion of course.

:wink:

[jasedee]

And you'd be *wrong*!

Just my opinion of course.

:wink:
Hehehe....... :)

[blay]

opinions are like ass-holes. everyone has one and they usually stink :wink: (another bad aussie saying - gotta love em)

Tribute bands, covers and remixes are not a problem.

Juho im sorry but i believe you contradicted yourself there son :wink:

I agree with purusha - in any given genre you have to wade through a lot of average releases to find the truly inspirational and original material.
psytrance and its sub-genres have been over ridden with freaks on pcs with loads of burnt software and a soundblaster soundcard.

Please place a solid distinction between hard house/euro trance and psytrance. These are two vastly differently styles of music and scenes and it is not fair to throw them in the same basket. (sorry to hard house lovers - not my cup of tea).

Psychedelic trance to me is a little too much. i overload on too many layers, especially when there are 20 odd of them - all arpeggiated and all with ridiculous fx and panning.
But from psytrance the progressive genre was born. It focuses on a more minimal sound, intricate rhythms, and clean production. Labels such as Zenon and Plusquam records have been promoting their own style of this genre for some time now and if you gave some of this stuff a listen, you could not deny the quality of the arrangements, nor the sheer musical genius that some of these guys possess.

be careful to bag a genre/style before you have really looked into whats
available... im not sure too many here wouldve appreciated me jumping on here and saying 'that john-nickel-jar guy suck arse' :wink:

[Purusha]

Thought there was a bit of foot shooting going on there meself blay.

BTW - the material I usually DJ is where psy & prog trance start to cross-over. Not ever-so keen on the Israeli style hundreds of layers stuff myself.

[Juho L]

But - they're copies!?!?

Yes, because they are intented to be so. It's not plagiarism we are dealing with in there. The problem part is the plagiarism or semi-plagiarism in which yous teal the ideas of others rather than using your own ideas.

The kind of style copying you seem to be levelling at trance, I'd also level at bands say like: Marrilion (sp?) who sounded very much like Genesis.

That's why we call Marillion as a poor man's Genesis. Hoho. As I said this kind of duplicating and copying is problem on many areas. Less on some, more on others. The point is that there's very few creative things around even the technology has offered more and more possibilities for creativity and sound design.

This discussion is straying away from the original idea... I'll have to check what was the original thesis... Yes. The next dance music sound. I hopw it's something new. I think I'll have to save the tomorrow.

[Purusha]

But - your original point was a lack of creativity in a particular genre!!!

Where's the creativity in a Tribute band?

[Juho L]

But - your original point was a lack of creativity in a particular genre!!!

Where's the creativity in a Tribute band?

It's very different to perform covers and/or remixes than copy other artist's/band's style and music and perform it as your own.

And I see no reason why remixes and cover bands couldn't be creative.

Edit: By the way you're welcome to participate our little remix contest.

[blay]

It's very different to perform covers and/or remixes than copy other artist's/band's style and music and perform it as your own.

i agree with this statement.
but you have to admit there arent too many current covers/remixes available that have anything worthwhile musically to offer :roll:

(back to the same heap to sort through the shit and find yourself a gem)

[Juho L]

i agree with this statement.
but you have to admit there arent too many current covers/remixes available that have anything worthwhile musically to offer

Or they have good musical content but tend to sound exactly like the original (which is sometimes good and sometimes bad). The same rules apply to these covers and remixes as applies to all other kinds of music: There are good ones and bad or inferior ones. But then again there are some innovative combinations like Beatallica which are good as the hundred lousy ones are bad. That's just brilliant.

[blay]

never heard of beatallica :?:

[Juho L]

never heard of beatallica :?:

What?! You have missed a lot!

http://www.beatallica.com/

[blay]

it sounds like the type of thing youd cunjure up with your mates over an excessive amount of alcohol - but never go through with :wink:

[Purusha]

Let's not forget:

http://www.dreadzeppelin.com/

Led Zep done Reggae stylee with an Elvis Impersonator front-man.

Video trailer at:

http://www.backbedroom.com/trailer1.mov

:lol: