Dont look here, case closed.

[Sleepwalker]

Would you trust this dude? :

>Access Virus C synthesizer. Great VA sunding instrument with huge sound creation possibilities.
>Ultimate trance machine! Comes with Vengeance soundsets, boxed in original box with mnauals, PSU and CD with programms.
>AS new condition. Even plastic is on screen! So please do no ask me to describe every single sentimeter of it:-)
>ITS AS NEW!!! Comes with OS v6.5 installed.

>Selling it for $500. Need to go it fast to get Minimoog Voyager.


...then he answare to my respond:

>helllO! yes i have it! 100% working everything is perfect!!!

>where do you live??? i could give you shipping total????

>I prefer www.moneygram.com payment


...... Should I trust this dude? He lives in the states, I live in Europe.
Please respond fast, because this dude is in a hurry, and id love to bye it!

regards,
Kim

[sputnikcdn]

I'd be damn skeptical. Any deal that seems too good to be true.... well...

But you never know. People have thier own reasons for selling stuff.

Have you spoken with the person by telephone? By asking a lot of questions quickly, some repeated, you might be able to draw him/her out if they are lying.

Have you verified the sellers name, address and phone number by phone book or internet search?

Can you get the seller to email you a photograph with the day's newspaper or something? (to prove it's theirs)

Has the seller given you a valid reason for using moneygram, rather than the more established paypal? Have you verified moneygram is legit?

Would the seller consider using an escrow service? (you would pay the extra for that.)

Good luck,
Paul

[Juho L]

In this kind of cases ih the seller is in a such big hurry he should be glad to make any special arrangements to get the synth sold. So I'd prefer cash on delivery system or you go to fetch the synth personally (if possible).

[Sleepwalker]

I'd be damn skeptical. Any deal that seems too good to be true.... well...

But you never know. People have thier own reasons for selling stuff.

Have you spoken with the person by telephone? By asking a lot of questions quickly, some repeated, you might be able to draw him/her out if they are lying.

Have you verified the sellers name, address and phone number by phone book or internet search?

Can you get the seller to email you a photograph with the day's newspaper or something? (to prove it's theirs)

Has the seller given you a valid reason for using moneygram, rather than the more established paypal? Have you verified moneygram is legit?

Would the seller consider using an escrow service? (you would pay the extra for that.)

Good luck,
Paul

Thanks Paul, many good ideas!

Newspaper trick is briliant, ill ask.

Eskrow, is that meening that I pay when I get it?

i live in Europe/Norway. This dude somewhere in the states.
I found him at the public bilboard/noticeboard at harmony central, for used gear.

[sputnikcdn]

Hi,

re: escrow - yes. For more info, take a look at this ebay help page:

http://pages.ebay.ca/internationaltrading/buyermngrisks.html

I bought my Yamaha rs7000 from a guy who advertised in Harmony Central. I live in Canada, he was in the States. There was a lot of anxiety for me during the transaction (delays in shipping, poor packaging etc.), but I got it, and it works great! I did get raped on duties though. You might want to look into that too.

Good luck!
Paul

[Timo]

I'd insist on using a reputable international escrow service, and get every conceivable piece of information and details from this guy to locate him and nail him if anything goes wrong, including a landline home phone number (ring him up beforehand to confirm - don't tell him you'll be ringing, and therefore catch him off guard, and then batter him with any questions you have to ascertain his genuineness and authenticity of the deal - ask him about all the shipping details like reputable postal companies and any tracking details that might be employed, and including safe, well-carried out packaging too), official ISP email addresses (as opposed to free hotmail/yahoo ones), home address (ie. no "P.O. box" address), etc.

[saba]

The Virus C doesn't come with plastic on its LCD ;)
________
History of bmw (http://www.bmw-tech.org/wiki/History_of_BMW)

[Timo]

Virus C's don't come with a PSU either, nay?

[Timo]

$500 USD?! Lol, that's only ?276 Pounds-Sterling, or 400 Euros.

If he really wanted a Voyager (about ?2,000? = 2,900 Euros) he could afford to get a decent price for the alleged Virus C.
$500 is a mere pittance compared to the Voyager's price.

[Timo]

Blimey, the Voyager is only (the equivalent of) ?1,488 over there in the USA, @ Sweetwater.com. So he's selling the Virus for a 5.5th of the price of a new standard Voyager.
And $500 is just a third of the price of a new Virus C over there, too, which is a bit, err, cheap.

[jasedee]

I think it is too cheap........smells sus to me

[Juho L]

Virus C's don't come with a PSU either, nay?

Good point. Hoho. Virus indeed has internal PSU. Ok. Seems like that guy is a fraud.

[jasedee]

Virus C's don't come with a PSU either, nay?

Good point. Hoho. Virus indeed has internal PSU. Ok. Seems like that guy is a fraud.
Or he has no idea what a PSU is????

[ben crosland]

Virus C's most certainly do come with a PSU!

(Virus KC's don't)

[jasedee]

Virus C's most certainly do come with a PSU!

(Virus KC's don't)
oops.... :oops: shame on you all! hehehe....

[Blank]

Well besides all this figuring out whether it is legit or not, i can answer this...because i have run into this guy b4...THE GUY IS FULL OF SHIT!!! I took him around for a questioning trip for like 3 weeks just to get his address so that some ppl that were ripped off by him would be able to notify him...honestly i dont believe he is in the US...he has been saying he was in Europe all over the place for about a year or 2...but you will never really find out unless you can hack the dick...

DO NOT BUY FROM ANYONE WITH THAT SKETCHY ADDITUDE...especially if they want to use moneygram...oh and if you ask him to go through escrow he will say i tried many times the site doesnt like me...it wont let me create a profile...

BTW this guy is on sonicstate and harmony and im not sure where else...

peace
Blank

[Tomer=Trance]

better try a local seller where you can just drive to his house pick up the gear and pay him in cash.
that way you know its safe and its working 100%.
it might cost you 300-400 $ more but you know your geting it.
being ripped off is such a dissapoitment and will give you unncecery headachs :)

[AjmaGard]

Are you sure that no Virus' are sold with seperate PSU?? As I remember, BlueSwan from this board fried his Virus connecting a wrong PSU to his Virus... I'm not 100% sure, but I think that's what he said on another board... :?

[subosc1]

save yourself a heart attack & just save up & buy from a dealer. I tried the same route & won a redback on ebay for $1,100. The guy could not even give me a picture cause he said he is travelling alot. There are way to many scammers to take this chance unless you have 500 to throw away. Too good to be true. This may be the same guy who tried to scam me. There is nothing you can do about it either it is absolutely buyer beware.

[Tomer=Trance]

my mate was ripped off for 900 euro for a virus c
trasfared the money and got crap
the guy hide himself well so he wont be able to be tracked down.
he used an ebay security falt to send him a fake email as ebay are saying that he has 50k forzen in his acount in case the deal goes wrong.

anyway his fighting ebay to get even some of the money back.

my advice....
avoid it,buy it only if you can accualy touch it when giving the money. :)

[Sleepwalker]

Heres some of hes mails:


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hi!!!

?

yep here are my cordinates:

?

1 Kuninkaankatu apt. 40 (its street)

33100 Tampere (zip and city)

Finland (country)

Vladimir Zuvak (me)

?

But still i prefer www.moneygram.com payment...not because im a scammer, just becauseits fast, secure and safe!

?

UPS shipping will be 190 euros! its bizarre! and ill ship via airmail ! its 20 euros, and up to 5 days on delivery!

?

i also need your adress for shipping! and i guarantee my full honesty on ths deal!

?

I do not want to write much about Virus as it is IN perfectly new condition! Boxed, manuals, cd, PSU...220V.

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yep im heavily into goatrance and psy trance!!!!!!!!!!

?

so lets finish our deal!!!!!

?

im ready to ship you Your Virus, pefcetly packed, all included - manuals, PSU 220V, CD with sound diver and additional sounds and of course his majesty Access Virus.

?

Yep,im not gonna rip you off or something like that!!!!

?

So i got your adress for shipping, and yes, ill declare your parcel as a gift to avooid paying taxes and other bizzare payments ...

?

so when you will aprox. send payment???? everything is closed today, so ill be able to ship you tomorrow. And of curse wil provide trackings!!!

?

So again want to reassure you i will send you Access 200% after you write me a confirmational email you did moneygram payment!

www.moneygram.com you just simply search for the nearest moneygram agent near you and go directly to their office to send!!!

?

so ill be waiting your confirmational email!!!!

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hellloooo!!!

yes of course i know the rulez of karma! and i guarantee you that ill ship you 100%!!!!!

?

so ok tomorrow is ok!!!!! ill be waiting your email!! after you send!!!

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he he he:)))))))) im also a lazy freak:))) you know i like to sleep even till 14 PM:))))))))) and write music at night:))))

?

Have a nice day! Ill be waiting your confirmational email!

?

Please when you will be writing me email after sending moneygram, include money transfer reference number you get after sending payment!

?

So ill be shipping today!!!!!

?

Stay tuned:)

?

Bum shalak!

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and forgot to write, i have packed your access well, so do not worry about it transportation!!!!!

?

ill be back home at around 12AM or 13 PM.....so ill chek my mailbox
then!!!

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ups and yes:) Total for Virus including shipment/insurance will be 525 USD (OR 440 Euros)

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Goooddd moorrrning:))))))))

see you like to sleep:))))

ok ill be waiting your mail then...

i just returned from a dantist:((((( hate them:)))))))))))))

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gerat !ill be shipping now!!!(just wait your mail with right ref number and go out to ship you)

BTW could you please give right reference number..this one seems like wrong.....

it should be more numbers....

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Kiiim, bro, could you please write the right reference number....this you wrote is wrong as i know there must be more numbers.....Im dressed, and just waiting your email with your instrument in my hand.....so write me asap!!! and i will leave to ship !!!!

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maaaannnnn..........NOT FOREX:)))) moneygram:))))))))))))))))) moneygram transfer:))))

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you sent it wrong company:)))))))))) not forex...there are no forex here :)))))

Kim:))) you should send it via MONEYGRAM................

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MoneyGram Agents
International City/Country search in OSLO, NORWAY
2 Agent(s) found
Click Here to try another search.


1.) FOREX NORWAY Hours of Operation
JERNBANETORGET 1A
OSLO, NORWAY 0154
Phone: 472-217-2265


2.) FOREX NORWAY Hours of Operation
JERNBANETORGET 1B
OSLO, NORWAY 0154
Phone: 472-217-2265


MONEYGRAM TRANSFER BUT FROM FOREX OFFICE AS I GUESS......

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yep man better please change to moneygram.....cos Forex here i dont know where..and moneygram is close at the postal office where i will go now.....


so could you please send via MONEYGRAM system???????

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yeeeeepppp......please change to moneygram....ITS the same place as i know, but they also let to send MONEYGRAM transfers....so ASK them to give you moneygram sending form and to send via moneygram:))))) sorryfor that kind of running for you...

Will be waiting close to my computer your email!

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ahhhhh.......could you please give me some kind of a link for forex???? where to wath the phone numbers????

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great..just called them..found a site......

BUT our Tampere office is closed..and nearest is in Helsinki then:((((((((((((((


Maaaan please resend it VIA moenygram...if you will loose forex transfer fees....then i make price lower, i understand.....

so you can send 500 and i pay shipping myself

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no no no do not run....i found......


BUT our OFFICE is closed....Forex office in Tampere is closed! Nearest is in HELSINKI!!!

Could you please resend VIA moneygram..so i ll run now and we finish our deal today??????

I understand you will loose money for transfers, so i give you an offer to send 500 USD and i pay shipping myself


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\grrreat!!! im waiting!!!!!!

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our moneygram agent is located at the postal office here.....

and i did called forex....OUR OFFICE here is closed.....i mean i was told NO forex in Tampere anymore!!!! Not because its closed ..due time..but just closed...and nearest is in helsinki!!!!


So please resend it via moneygram!....and ill hurry now.....

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they must be mistaken...moneygram office was opend at the central tampere postal station not so much time ago.....so thats why!!!!!!!!!!

please resend it via moneygram.......


and as i told 500 USD and i pay shipping...


sorry..you must have been running there and back..sorry for all that....but such situation with those forexes and moneygramms are here...in Tampere

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ok!!! waiting!!!!

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yep.if its closed then lets do it in the morning....
so how is it going there?????

Just let me know? or you may be drove home....

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returned...its still closed....tried to figure out...but better is still moneygram....

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100% sure:) i live in this town:))))))))
so please could you resend it via moneygram?????

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will try in the morning....

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hi! FINALLY I WAS AT FOREX:))))))))))))))))))))))) but again...problems problems problems.......

They stopped giving payments for not known period of time, because their computer system is down for 1 week already....:(((((((

so PLEASE RESEND IT VIA MONEYGRAM..........i see we have so much troubles with that forex.......

please.....

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reallly....:(((((((((((( BRRRRRRRRR hate that systems really:)))))

OK ill be waiting your mail, i will also sleep....have been writing music all night long:))))
(with confirmation you did send it via moneygram)

BTW ill include my cd with demo tracks for you, so you will listen to them....

So yep, ill be waiting your email, sorry for al that!
and as i told yesterday, i ll pay shipping myself, due to your spending fees on that transactions.....!!!!

Kiitos (thanks)

V.

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hi!! i just woke up:))))))))))))))))) so just wondering if you did send moneygram???


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ok no problem! lets do it and finish on Monday!
im going out now to a birthday party:)))))) will be back...LATE:)

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hi:) how are you? just returned from a party:))))))))))

so will you be resending via moneygram tomorrow???????

At what time aprox??????

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Ok, so he says he is so excited because he is going to get the moog voyager, witch is understandable. Also he is scandinavian, and you can usualy trust a scandinavian. But there are of cource crocks here too.
It is too long for me to go to finland from norway, it will take two days, including bout. Each way. And it will be expencive.

Im not shure he is clerly knowing how things work. He insists on using moneygram, but also insist theres no Forex office in his town, Tampere. The only way to get the moneygram is through Forex!! They are the only ones that make them, and the only place to pick them up is at a forex office!!

So I went to Forex about 6 times that day, and spoke to them. In the end the boss there was helping me out, she called the Forex office in Tampere, and got confirmed that, YEP! the office is still located at the same adress, and yep! It is the only way to pick up the moneygram. So they insist i dont send him moneygram, because it is only more expencive. I can just use a cheeper system from scandinavia, no moneygram, just trancefer the money to the office in Tampere, and I got a reference number he can use to pick it up.

So he tries that, and he comes back telling me that their computer system broke down for at least a week, and that I should rather send moneygram, he would pay the extra charge.


....i was getting in the groove with him, but im beginning to be a little unshure...

But though he clearly has not done this before!!


What I will do tomorrow is going to Forex, yet again!! And make them call the office in Tampere, and ask if their computersystem realy is broken down for a week!! It sounds realy strange, but wele see tomorrow!!


So you people that said you know this guy from before, I have his name and adress, maby I shall try to call his family or something? ;-P

[Hollowcell]

Find out if he lied about the Fortex place "computers down" ect. He is very pushy and then to drop the price even more, seems a bit over the top. If he did lie, then lead him on for as long as you like for fun.

Good luck, and don't do anything crazy.

[Sleepwalker]

Find out if he lied about the Fortex place "computers down" ect. He is very pushy and then to drop the price even more, seems a bit over the top. If he did lie, then lead him on for as long as you like for fun.

Good luck, and don't do anything crazy.

Yeah, wele se tomorrow... i want do anything crazy ;-)

He is pushy because he realy wants to get the moog voyager as fast as possible, or so he says.

It seem he is into psycadelic trance, withch I am too, and in respect of that he seems fairly trustable regarding this sceene is small, and its against this culture, to fuck with karma.

Actualy if hes going to release some music, as he says, with the reputation that he steals monny from other artists in the sceene, he will for shure not get to release a single track, and he want get a single live job.

Reputation spreads fast in a small sceene like this, and people will send around warning mails to all the recordlabels, all the party arangers, and all the musichians.

It is what we call karma, and he seams to know this simple but strong rule in the psy-sceene. He actualy got insulted when I brought it up, which is good. That is the way he should react if he is a true goa/psy freak.

The sceene is that small, and im shure I can find someone that knows him, if he IS deep into psycedelics, as he says.

[jasedee]

I thought you said he lived in the states???? And from the emails he lives in europe.....

And, as as far as the whole Forex thing goes....that is dodgy!!!!! He keeps saying that Forex is closed, there is no forex, their computers were down. This sounds real dodgy.

Think about it. This guy has a synth, apparently in perfect working condition, and he is selling at a fraction of the price he could get for it. All because he is desperate for a Moog??? When it comes down to money, people dont ususally want to give it away. If it was for real, he would be trying to sell it for the market price on a used virus.....

Smells fishy!

[Sleepwalker]

I thought you said he lived in the states???? And from the emails he lives in europe.....

And, as as far as the whole Forex thing goes....that is dodgy!!!!! He keeps saying that Forex is closed, there is no forex, their computers were down. This sounds real dodgy.

Think about it. This guy has a synth, apparently in perfect working condition, and he is selling at a fraction of the price he could get for it. All because he is desperate for a Moog??? When it comes down to money, people dont ususally want to give it away. If it was for real, he would be trying to sell it for the market price on a used virus.....

Smells fishy!

I asumed he was from the states in the beginning, after some mails he told me he was from finland. but his name is russian or something. whatever..

True, your right, I shall look into this!

Asking price is unreal, ahh.. I was hoping for a real good deal here! But I gues you cant be that lucky!

Still it seams strange he put so much work in to this, though if he used the same energy on selling it, he could get a much better price.

maby he is young, and a little stupid? :lol:

[Tomer=Trance]

finland is right next to rusia.

[Blank]

The reason this guy is so good is because he does have all the synths he sells...how he got them is the same way hes trying screw you...Ive delt with this guy twice now...hes rediculous...im mean just count how many times he says MONEYGRAM its like its his baby bottle!!! Even ebay says do not send through moneygram, because it is an instant transfer of funds and there is no way for you to make it look like payment for say a synth...How i know its this guy is because he always starts out with damn near perfect spelling and the more he gets closer to his goal the more typos he has, and he always mentions you gunna send it now through moneygram in damn near every email...like i said b4 ask him to go through escrow...he will say it wont let him log in...

peace
Blank

[Juho L]

Kuninkaankatu 1 as 40 in Tampere? I googled and there's a Finlayson palace on Kuninkaankatu 1 and if he lives there, he lives in a restaurant (no apartments on that block, just a small palace-looking restaurant). Edit: Verified. It is a restaurant.

Also I checked for Keltainen p?rssi (the biggest Finnish sell & buy magazine) and no ads about Virus C. If you want something sold you very likely get a buyer from Ketainen p?rssi (especially with prices that low).

Ask him why he hasn't put any ads on in Finnish media (Keltainen porssi, Huuto.net) and ask him how it feels to live in a restaurant.

http://www.finlaysoninpalatsi.com/images/pic_etusivu.jpg

Buahahaha! Apartment 40 on that building! HAR-HAR-HAR! That guy is just camp.

Edit 2: Or if he means Kuninkaankatu 40 as 1, then he might live in a real apartment. ?hih. He wrote the address really weirdly. Usually the addresses are wrote like The Street *street number* *apartment number*.

Edit 3: Just checked. Kuninkaankatu 40 is an apartment block. But anyway ask him about why there are no his ads on local media.

Edit 4: Or you could get his phonenumber and PM it to me and I'll give him a call.

[AjmaGard]

Tell him that the guy from your Forex-office confirmed that there is an office near him...

As a rule, I usually get a phone-number and address on the people I deal with. It's cheaper to call someone and confirm that he is in fact the person he claims he is (and easier to track down later), than sending money to someone you have little or no info on. I have only dealed with people from my own country (Denmark), but the procedure still applies to worldwide deals too I think.

But, I must say this guy sounds waaaayyyy to eager to sell this "Virus". Even if he were to buy another synth, the people selling are often willing to hold it for someone for a period of time.

I would get more details from this guy who's obviously lying to you about the Forex-deal to begin with...

[jasedee]

Edit 4: Or you could get his phonenumber and PM it to me and I'll give him a call.
Juho to the rescue.......I say you should employ Juho to go around to this guys house and steal the Virus, and then send it to you once you have paid Juho a small but hanson fee......everyone wins!

Whaddya reckon Juho?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

New Virus' dont come with 'plastic on the screen'

I wouldnt touch it

DS

[Juho L]

Whaddya reckon Juho?

Sounds good!

But I can bet my kidney that this guy is a fraud.

[Timo]

Yup, too many excuses, too enthusiastic (for little money), and far too orientated around HIS form of payment, Moneygram.

I wouldn't.

For an entertaining read: The P-p-p-powerbook! (http://69.93.112.102/~pbook/)

Might inspire you to scam the scammer. ;)

[Sleepwalker]

Kuninkaankatu 1 as 40 in Tampere? I googled and there's a Finlayson palace on Kuninkaankatu 1 and if he lives there, he lives in a restaurant (no apartments on that block, just a small palace-looking restaurant). Edit: Verified. It is a restaurant.

Also I checked for Keltainen p?rssi (the biggest Finnish sell & buy magazine) and no ads about Virus C. If you want something sold you very likely get a buyer from Ketainen p?rssi (especially with prices that low).

Ask him why he hasn't put any ads on in Finnish media (Keltainen porssi, Huuto.net) and ask him how it feels to live in a restaurant.

http://www.finlaysoninpalatsi.com/images/pic_etusivu.jpg

Buahahaha! Apartment 40 on that building! HAR-HAR-HAR! That guy is just camp.

Edit 2: Or if he means Kuninkaankatu 40 as 1, then he might live in a real apartment. ?hih. He wrote the address really weirdly. Usually the addresses are wrote like The Street *street number* *apartment number*.

Edit 3: Just checked. Kuninkaankatu 40 is an apartment block. But anyway ask him about why there are no his ads on local media.

Edit 4: Or you could get his phonenumber and PM it to me and I'll give him a call.

Wow, thanks a lot! I just asked for his phone number, because a friend of me said he would come along for a car ride to finland!!

Though it is a far way to meet nobody....It will take the whole day, then sleep on the boat from sweden to finland, and same way back.

Should I mention to him where his adress is? hahah!

When I said im coming over to finland, he just said: as you wish.
Nothing more, no wild spellings... thats the latest ive herd from him.

Before that, I told him he had a bad reputation, but he sayd simply that it was not him!

If he is like Blank said, filling up his studio with stolen gear, from mistreated deals, I should bring some big guys, and beat him up!!!
Or atleast take all his gear, and give it back!!

Could make a trap!

Ah, hell!! I wanted this synth :evil:

[Sleepwalker]

Whaddya reckon Juho?

Sounds good!

But I can bet my kidney that this guy is a fraud.

Nice!!

do you live far from Tampere?
If you could pick it up, ill pay you! UPC charges ?190, so I expected to use some extra money anyway!

...ill see if I get his number tomorrow...

[Juho L]

Nice!!

do you live far from Tampere?
If you could pick it up, ill pay you! UPC charges ?190, so I expected to use some extra money anyway!

...ill see if I get his number tomorrow...

I live about 400 kilometers from Tampere.

You should verify that address. Ask him is it Kuninkaankatu 1 or Kuninkaankatu 40. Seems quite absurd that he lies the address without first checking what's on that address.

[Blank]

Well as i said, what he has is legit gear...How he paid for it was through theft...but most of the time he targets US citizens...

peace
Blank

[Hollowcell]

but most of the time he targets US citizens...


Pitty he isn't trying to sell oil over E-bay. Bush would be on him like a flash!

Anyway....

I'm really interested to see how this turns out. Hope you can contact him Juho. Maybe make an MP3 recording of the convo so we can all hear it.

Actually, better idea is you just translate it into english. :D

[Sleepwalker]

Ok, here we go!!!

Im trying to fool him into revealing himself:


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ME:

I will come to finland and meet you, it is much more simple!

No problem, a good friend is coming with me!

Boom!
Kim
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Him:

as you wish
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ME:

Cool! Maby there are some parties we can go to??



Do you have a mobile?

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Him:

no answare
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Me:

It seems complicated this! hahahah!!!

It is realy far for me to go to finland!!!!! I must take the boat, or go all the way around sweden!

Well, id love to hear your music, what kind of style are you making?
Im a party-aranger, and i make big parties, and also a big festival next summer!
Have you released any tracks?

Kim

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Him:

understand.....

Im int trance, techno, prgressive. Have been producing for about 2 - 3 years, now im finishing my album, some of my tracks were palyd by Super 8 (Mikko Salovaara) WHO IS IN COOPERATION WITH above AND beYOND..AND ALOS WORKS IN hELSINGINMUSSIKKI SHOP...
so thats it....

and im not a scammer...or what are you thinking about...

so if you want to buy Virus, please resend via moneygram...as you have seen, if you were at forex that i didnt took your money....so resend it via moneygram and ill ship your virus.

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Me:

no answare...

(He must show ID to get the money from Forex thats why he says their computer system is down, witch is not true, they are up and running like normal!! As far as I know, he dont need ID to get moneygram, or? Would be crazy if this guy actualy was right, hahah!)

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Him:

so what do you think??????

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Me:


Is it Kuninkaankatu 1 or Kuninkaankatu 40?

Do you have a telephone number?

Kim

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Ok, it seems a little hard to trick him into anything!
He absolutly dont want anything else then the moneygram!!
When I say im coming over, he answares vary vaguely, and hes avoiding ansvering questions about telephone number!

[Sleepwalker]

Ok, I got no telephone number, after the last question, he just ansvared his street number:

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thats all he said, 1 !! hahah! Ok, so he does not know where that adress is!! Funny, so now he has proven himself a scammer!!

[ben crosland]

Ok, I got no telephone number, after the last question, he just ansvared his street number:

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thats all he said, 1 !! hahah! Ok, so he does not know where that adress is!! Funny, so now he has proven himself a scammer!!

I reckon you owe the forum a pint ;)

[Sleepwalker]

Yup, too many excuses, too enthusiastic (for little money), and far too orientated around HIS form of payment, Moneygram.

I wouldn't.

For an entertaining read: http://69.93.112.102/~pbook/

Might inspire you to scam the scammer. ;)

I read the whole thing last night!!! :lol:

[Sleepwalker]

Ok, I got no telephone number, after the last question, he just ansvared his street number:

1

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thats all he said, 1 !! hahah! Ok, so he does not know where that adress is!! Funny, so now he has proven himself a scammer!!

I reckon you owe the forum a pint ;)


Absolutely, thank you!!! :D

He has not yet understood that I know hes a scammer, so if youd like, I can keep posting his mails, and keep you updated! If you got some ideas on how to get this guy, bring it on!!

[Timo]

Yup, too many excuses, too enthusiastic (for little money), and far too orientated around HIS form of payment, Moneygram.

I wouldn't.

For an entertaining read: P-p-p-powerbook! (http://69.93.112.102/~pbook/)

Might inspire you to scam the scammer. ;)

I read the whole thing last night!!! :lol:

Well worth it though, eh? If not to just scroll down to the pics. ;)

[Sleepwalker]

Yup, too many excuses, too enthusiastic (for little money), and far too orientated around HIS form of payment, Moneygram.

I wouldn't.

For an entertaining read: P-p-p-powerbook! (http://69.93.112.102/~pbook/)

Might inspire you to scam the scammer. ;)

I read the whole thing last night!!! :lol:

Well worth it though, eh? If not to just scroll down to the pics. ;)

I had a good laugh there!!!!

p-p-p-powerbook!! hahah!!

[Hollowcell]

Yep, as I said lead him on for fun, then print the results here.

Don't worry though, you'll find a good buy soon enough.

[Juho L]

Ok, I got no telephone number, after the last question, he just ansvared his street number:

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thats all he said, 1 !! hahah! Ok, so he does not know where that adress is!! Funny, so now he has proven himself a scammer!!

Har-har-har! So he really lives in a restaurant!

"AND ALOS WORKS IN hELSINGINMUSSIKKI SHOP". Buahahaha! It's Helsingin musiikki, not Helsinsinmussikki. Hohohoho. This guy is a total amateur. ?hih.

[Sleepwalker]

Help me out here! This is his last mail, AFTER I call him a scammer, and a lier:


Hello! yes i understand everything, about all scares about buying from an internet. I was burned myself before....

No i have all documents, ID, everything. And i know that i have to show them to receive moneygram. And thats why im not scared.
You know as i told put a secret querstion on a transfer. Without it i wont be able to pick up paymnt! and i send you virus, only after that when you receive it you give me secret questions answer. Shipping is not so long - 4 - 5 days. So even if on this deal we are more than 1 week..then waiting more 5 days for me is not a big problem..:(

Sorry i can use esqrow, not because im a scammer or something you are thinking, JUST I DO NOT HAVE A CREDIT card to register on it.

And i never lied you. Yes i work in a restaurant. And live on the same street. And you know visiting me is not a problem, because i live in Tampere and never left it for about 5 years!

P.S and again for conformation of my legit mind - IF YOU ARE SENDING MONEYGRAM TO FINLAND, direction TAMPERE - i will eb able top peick it op ONLY IN FINLAND, IN TAMPERE! So do not think that im somewhere else.

And i do not want that if somebody on the inet does bad business, and if honest people like me want to sell their equipment can be in such situations, when the other side do not trust, ONLY because my prefered method of payment is MONEYGRAM...:((((((((((((

So you can think, i have been answwering all other wmails that Access was sold...so....Please let me know!

Again...Moneygram - POLICe - FBI = great friends. they write down an information from ID...and i do not want to be in prison for money...and for all that stuff....

[Blank]

Well he sure likes using the appeal the the emotions falacy...As for escrow i registered without a credit card :wink:


peace
BLank

[Sleepwalker]

Well he sure likes using the appeal the the emotions falacy...As for escrow i registered without a credit card :wink:


peace
BLank

But Blank. What do you say about his ide here: If I put a pasword on the moneygram, he is not able to get the money, befor he gets that password from me. That means I recive the Virus, test it out, and if everything is fine, then I give him the password. If im not happy with it, I can still get my money back from Forex.

How can this go wrong? Hmmm..

Well, im going to Forex today, to ask about all this!

[Blank]

Have you checked with moneygram to see if they will actually do this?

peace
Blank

[Sleepwalker]

Have you checked with moneygram to see if they will actually do this?

peace
Blank

Im going to Forex right now, to ask about the security issues, regarding this password system!

[Blank]

Ask them if there is any way some1 can screw you out of your money because if he is a scammer he will know all the tricks...Just cover your ass...

peace
Blank

[Sleepwalker]

Ask them if there is any way some1 can screw you out of your money because if he is a scammer he will know all the tricks...Just cover your ass...

peace
Blank

man, he most be realy young or something, I just told him id ask Forex about security issues regarding this pasword system, and he goes all bananas again:

ok deal!!!!!!!!

you just put a password on a transfer. and give an answer also to them. WITHOUT knowing the answer i would not be able to pick up payment!!!!! you can check!!!!


When aprox you will do it?

[Blank]

Tread lightly young Jedi :lol:

peace
Blank

[Sleepwalker]

Tread lightly young Jedi :lol:

peace
Blank
:wink:

[Sleepwalker]

I told him he did not need creditcard for escrow, so he tried:

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when i was trying to register it asked my credit card information!!!!

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Didnt someone said that this is what he usualy says about escrow? :?

[Blank]

No i said that if this is the same guy he would say that escrow wouldnt allow him to register... Like the site was just messed up for him...

peace
Blank

[Sleepwalker]

No i said that if this is the same guy he would say that escrow wouldnt allow him to register... Like the site was just messed up for him...

peace
Blank

HAHAH! So I just calld Forex, and they told me they had many complains about moneygrams and scammers!! Also there is no password system! When you get the moneygram, it is yours!!

The last way to maby do it, is that he needs a referance number to get the moneygram. I could give it to him AFTER I recice the package..

Forex also said that this dude sounded like a scamer!!!

[Blank]

I knew it :lol:

[Juho L]

He is an obvious scammer! There are not even slightlest doubts. If he want to get rid of a Virus C, why he won't sell it here in Finland? He would get a buyer faster that way and the shipping would be child's play.

You still haven't got the phone number? I'd like to put him on the heat, buahahaha.

Edit: Also ask him why the shipping addres is his workplace and not his home.

[Timo]

DON'T let him know you knoW! He's had his fun. He was quite willing to try anything to rip off your ass.

Now, try and think of a scam to get him back......

This could be a powerbook special!! Gang, thinking caps on................................ :idea: :idea: :idea:

In the interim, just keep stringing him along.......

[Juho L]

Now, try and think of a scam to get him back......

This could be a powerbook special!! Gang, thinking caps on................................

It's a bit problematic to come up a counter-scam when we are on the buyer side. If we would be selling, the situation would be different.

Maybe we would trade the non-existent Virus for some other non-existent gear?

Edit: Hey. Post him back and say he seems trustworthy. Then ask if he is willing to take something in exchange for his Virus.

[Timo]

Just posted THIS (http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=29243&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=&vc=1&session=fd47d826e6f57504d1bf52627bc74fbc#Post29243) on the SOS forums, too.... In the event that anyone can possibly offer any cunning plan that might suit the situation. :?

[Sleepwalker]

Just posted THIS (http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=29243&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=&vc=1&session=fd47d826e6f57504d1bf52627bc74fbc#Post29243) on the SOS forums, too.... In the event that anyone can possibly offer any cunning plan that might suit the situation. :?

Hm, well id love to get him, but I think it is to late! Its spoilt already! Though it should have been a few times already, and hes still coming back, so who knows!!

What the hell, lets see if we can fish something out of this ;-)
im telling him that im unshure about this whole thing, and blablabla, but that I might agree on different terms!

[Timo]

Well, just for a laugh, after reading along the lines of the people that have grown wise to the now well-known so-called "419 frauds" (ie. those predominantly Nigerian email scams that tell you that your long lost relative has left you ?25million, lol). Tell the guy that you think "OK, the Moneygram thing is cool", and that you will do the deal!.....

... But only on one condition! ;) In that he should take a clear photo of himself with his virus standing outside the "restaurant" in question (fully in view) in order to verify his authenticity.

Say you wont do the deal otherwise, but say you DO have the money immediately "ready" to send via Moneygram after he complies, and that you're extremely eager to get your hands on the Virus.
See where that gets ya. If he tries to squirm out of it, just re-iterate the "need to see the simple described photo as proof, or otherwise the deal is off", and issue it as an ultimatum.

Might give us more time to think something up, while putting the ball in his court.

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Or, you could insist that you send him a snail-mail letter via post, to his home address, and get him to scan or photograph the letter once he's received it to show you and therefore authenticate his address.... You might then be able to set something up, or nail the bastard somehow, once you know it.

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Otherwise, just send him an email with a nice executable "virus", and tell him that the file contains your personal details, or something..... ;)

Sorry I can't think of anything more original. :roll: Damn well worth a shot, though. :twisted: .... Remember you're not the first and most probably not the last he's going to try it on. The next 'buyer' that is preyed on might not be so lucky.

[Sleepwalker]

Notice that he still avoid mention other payments, and his telephone number!! Its been asket for at least 5-6 times)


-----------scammer:

On 7. okt. 2004, at 17:01, A. S. wrote:

its strage! THERE IS MONEYGRAM PASSOWRD!!! UNIQUE SECRET QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!
ITS IMPOSSIBLE THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE THEM!!!!!!!!

YOU CAN TRUST ME!!!!! AS I TOLD everything is controlled with police..and they will collect my passport iinfo! so finding me will be matter of a few hours...and I DO NOT WANT TO SIT IM Fing finnish prison:))))))))))))) for 500 e...

so i will send Virus 100%! How can they tell and call people scammers????? probably or not, its very BAD! lets then everybody and everywhere will think that all everywhere are scammers....what a world....

I dont care IF somebody told you HE IS A SCAMMEr..go fuck him up...or something like that!

I have never done bad things in my life, and never will..im a christianin...

so if you do not want that scheme - payment by moneygram with secret question - sending virus with tracking/receiving it/ giving answer - i pick up payment...then i will have to tell you sorry...and i do not want to wait your time....




-------------From us:

subject: Virus

Man, I realy want the Virus!!!!!

Look, If you make a picture of you, with the virus, in front of the resturant, fully in view, send it to me, I will send you money right away, moneygram!!

I just need some real proof, man!!!!

Kim

[Juho L]

YOU CAN TRUST ME!!!!! AS I TOLD everything is controlled with police..and they will collect my passport iinfo! so finding me will be matter of a few hours...and I DO NOT WANT TO SIT IM Fing finnish prison:))))))))))))) for 500 e...

1. Police doesn't involve in any kind of money traffic issues unless the crime hasven't already happened.
2. For a scam of that nature he would only get some day-fines plus he'd have to pay back the scammed sum. If he due some weird reason would get a prison sentence, a Finnish prison is a boarding-house establishment, which means that it's not very bad at all.

He's hilarious. He seems to have moved from Russia in immediate past. That would be the only explanation to his total lack of knowledge and bad Finnish.

I have never done bad things in my life, and never will..im a christianin...

BUAHAHAHA! Very convincing.

We need to think up something fast. Let's have a hideous plot.

[Blank]

Next thing he will say is " im sorry i cannot take a picture, as i do not have a camera to take them"

peace
Blank

[Timo]

http://www.scambuster419.co.uk/moneytransfer.htm

A few ideas there on "transferring" money using Western Union, Moneygram, etc...

If you can get a copy of what a Moneygram receipt looks like, and then forge the various required details onto it (ie. price, date, recipient, etc.) and then print and re-scan the document, you can make him think you've actually sent the money.
He'll then waste his time by trying to pull the 'money' out of nowhere.

I especially like the GIMPS money form transfer
http://www.scambuster419.co.uk/moneytransfer2.htm :mrgreen:

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Or you could maintain that you've tried to send the money to his moneygram account, but instead say that the Moneygram company refused you from being able send money to his account as that particular account is being investigated for international money laundering fraud... You can then act all innocent and ask him that was all about, and what it meant.... That will undoubtedly confuse and frustrate him. Then you can eventually bring in other forms of 'payment' options, and scam him further by obtaining various details, or making him run around a bit.

[Tomer=Trance]

my mate was ripped off for 900 euro on ebay using Western Union.
stay away from that.

[Timo]

I didn't mean to use Western Union for real! That site is dedicated to scamming people who scam using Western Union, Moneygram, etc..
The important thing is that you don't send any money at all. All you're doing is forging receipts to make it look like you have sent his money, and make him frustrated.
Waste his time, make him look out to be a gullible twat by sucking him in and making him do stuff, and covertly get as much info about himself that you can in the process.

Then print up any of his details, photos here and humiliate his ass off when it's all done and dusted. :)

[Hollowcell]

I have never done bad things in my life, and never will..im a christianin...


Hehehe, I found this quite funny. Christians have never done anything wrong in the past at all :roll: . Maybe in your next mail you should tell him that your envolved in the church too. Ask him what church he is going to and then Juho can find out some weird questions about that particular church.

Keep leading him on mate.

Hope you get the photo of him in front of the resturant! :lol:

[Timo]

Sleepwalker.... Any update!?

[Sleepwalker]

Sleepwalker.... Any update!?

Hey Timo :-)

No mails from him! I think he maby gave up!!

Im wisiting a very nice studio in another town this weekend, so im not much on the net! Theece dudes have sh#% loads of gear to play with, heheh!! Happy joy, its like christmas!!


Well ive got two other Virus offers, one for 950 euros, and just resently now another one for 800 dollars, which is a nice price.

Though yet again it could be scammers :? well, its another round, but hopefully a quicker one!!

[jasedee]

Good luck mate!

[Sleepwalker]

Good luck mate!

Thanks :)

Juho gave me a nice link to sweden, where I found actualy a few access things!

[Timo]

>>No mails from him! I think he maby gave up!!

Why are we not surprised. ;)

Anyhow, post up that guys email address and details for the people here as reference, in case he contacts any other people in future.

Best of luck for a legit future VirusC purchase. ;)

[the_bod]

hiya timo...
i noticed you posted sumthing on sos about this...

it looks like the scammers are back again and it wouldnt surprise me if its the same ones going round the forums...

i posted some stuff for sale on sos a cpl of weeks ago, and got the same msg enquiring about both sale items..
ive told forum admin about it and IG reckons i was the first to be hit with this..
admin have had a rush of complaints in the last cpl of days from ppl who got sent EXACTLY the same msg as me