Do You Care About the Virus TI?

[GothicIndustrial]

Personally, I don't. I still have my KB, I never felt the need to get a C, and I'm certainly not going to throw down the cash on a TI.

The TI is cool, and it has a JP-8000 ripoff supersaw, but is it worth the upgrade cost? Not for me. If I'm going to spend money on a synth, I want something different, not just more of what I have. I'd rather buy an old Roland or something to use in addition to my KB than sell my KB at a huge loss and buy a new Virus.

If Access made a new product, I'd be pumped. I know, this Virus has tons more features than other Virus synths, but come on! It's still a Virus synth. I'd prefer something else from Access.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Yes, I care about the TI. It represents what ive always wanted the Virus to be hehe. I dont see hypersaw being a ripoff from the JP8000's supersaw. Its totally different. Plus, the wavetable oscilators negate the use of a dedicated wavetable synth. Besides you havent had the chance to use the moog filter yet.....Its one of the best digital filters ever made imo.

I dont think the Virus Ti is aimed at causing mind loops for existing Virus users.....the specs alone suggest its more aimed at high end music producers (i.e. people like me who want to pollute the world with more 80's style synth sounds :oops: hehe).

Im sure the TI will be very successful.

DS

[AjmaGard]

I would really like seperate delay/reverb on all channels in multi-single mode... Too bad the didn't incorporate this in the C-model. I also REALLY like the VST-like incorporation (I think this is the most innovative feature on the TI)!

Of course I would like to own one, but I wont sell my Indigo 2 Redback to get it... :)

[ben crosland]

I care.

Deeply.

8)

With regard to the HyperSaw, you need to bear this in mind:

"HyperSaw is a multi-sawtooth oscillator. With a single parameter the user can alter the amount of parallel oscillators from 1-9, smoothly and in realtime. You can literally add more oscillators to fatten up the sound whilst playing a chord. The relative tuning and spread can be controlled as well. "

With parallel subs to boot??!!

Come on - this puts the JP8000 in the shade, especially when you consider the polyphony count. Imagine sweeping from one saw through to 9, whilst modulating the detune and spread with an LFO...

This and the new wavetable oscillators should really open things up.

The Modmatrix has double the number of destinations compared to the C series. This will kick ass.

Multi arrangements will sound incredible. Imagine how much better it will be even on a single patch, now that we can have delay *and* reverb - now multiply that by 16 8)

Programmable arp for *every* patch.

Embedded multis.

Oh - and the TI Polar has to be one of the most beautiful synths I have ever seen 8O

[Hollowcell]

I have to say, I care too. :cry:

The OSC types look really nice, poly is amazing, more matrix posibilities and not to mention the FX and programmable arp. That's all before getting to the hardware specs.

It's a beast! 8O

I won't be getting one, but I'll be drooling for sure!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Ben have you got your hands on a prototype yet?

DS

[tranzash]

hey guys, i care to. Looks like i have to trade my indigo2 for a table top.

80 voice is awesome for midi seq. I don't get the part with the vst or au, can anyone explain?



no mp3.. for hypersaw.

[Panopticon]

The TI looks stellar. There's only one downside for me...it's becoming increasingly more and more difficult for me to own every incarnation of the Virus series. Don't ask why. I just want to have a complete collection for posterity.

[blay]

<Hello Pete
Thanks for the mail. A deposit of $200.00 will be fine. I just called? the distributor and ordered your unit, and I was guaranteed it would be? on the inaugural shipment.

It shouldn't be too long... >


I care enough to preorder
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Tomer=Trance]

does it have a wavesequencer?
if so it can surly beat the waldorf xt synths.

[Hollowcell]

I wanna read up more on the Wavetable side of the things too. Or better still give me a TI to look at.

[hatembr]

seems like everybody cares except you GothicIndustrial :)
well, i care too !! i think it is on top of my wishlist now, but reasonably, one has to wait until prices drop down (1800euro for desktop m8!) and the OS gets more stable!
:wink:

[blay]

hmm dunno about waiting around for updates when you could have one sitting in your studio when said updates are released :twisted:

make no mistakes - access have cut no corners here and there is not an existing owner out there that doesnt want one.

I sold a shareholding which i have had for years (and have been hesitant to sell) to preorder my ti keyboard - and to tell you the truth the unit couldve listed at 125% retail and I still wouldve purchased anyway.

we will only know just how good it is when virus releases a specifications pdf or the like (other than the vague promotional material that we have already seen).

[Tomer=Trance]

an upgrade for virus c/kc/indigo 2 would have been a good idea
pay something like 300-400 euro and get the dsp replaced and the new software and whole engine.
and just use the manu to scroll to the options the Cs dont have in the front.

[Timo]

I wanna read up more on the Wavetable side of the things too. Or better still give me a TI to look at.

Moi Aussi. I'd love to hear more info about this. For example, can you import your own wavetables too?

BTW, Thank you Access for creating such a delightful synthesiser. It appears you really have your finger on the pulse ( <- understatment), no doubt thanks to your close and friendly, in-tune integration with your customers and user-base! If only there were more companies like Access!

Personally for me, the new Virus is an aweseome synth - as a more extensive synthesis palette (wavetables, and Access give us the HyperSaw too!), a larger LCD screen for greater info and realtime support (particularly so for selecting sources/destinations in the mod-matrix!), was high on my own wishlist.

The audio integration via USB is a massive boon. Does this use ASIO drivers of somekind, bypassing the need for a separate dedicated soundcard? So, say if I run my other synths into the Virus' stereo external audio-input, that audio would also then be integrated by ASIO in the computer itself for efficient audio processing with other VST effects in near-realtime?

The only thing I really, really wished that it did have was a ribbon-controller, and possibly an XY joystick. I'll be grabbing a Polar, though, and then controlling it via a Korg Trinity in the studio, and then using it standalone when elsewhere.

Rock on! http://www.gobo.dsl.pipex.com/images/gremz/rockon.gif

[ben crosland]

an upgrade for virus c/kc/indigo 2 would have been a good idea
pay something like 300-400 euro and get the dsp replaced and the new software and whole engine.
and just use the manu to scroll to the options the Cs dont have in the front.

No way, mate - this simply wouldn't be possible. The TI has a dual-DSP architecture, and as such, Access will have had to do a complete new mobo design. This wasn't even feasible for B -> C, let alone C -> TI. The upgrade path they offered for the Rack Classic was designed from the outset, but still required a complete mobo swap!

[hardmandez]

I certainly do care about this one. I wasn't to bothered about upgrading to the C but this one sounds minted. I imagine as with all previous virus's the sound will be minted and then some. I also like the thought of how it will be more integrated into my sequencer as well.

Saying that though, I doubt I will be getting one. I'm not paying 1800 euro's for the desktop version. I would have to sell my JP8000 and my Virus B and that would get me just past half way to the price of the desktop version and I don't want to sell my B anyway. I couldn't part with it now after all these years. I would probably have to sell everything else as well.

I may have to settle for something a little bit less exstravagant this christmas, perhaps a Futureretro Revolution.

[GothicIndustrial]

I don't mind being the odd man out. The hypersaw thing doesn't impress me. I'd rather have a regular saw wave that sounded better than hundreds of detuned saws that sound slightly weak. Besides, couldn't I just program a patch with three saws and play with the unison settings? Sure you lose polyphony, but if you're just going to multitrack, I don't see the difference. I almost never go above Unison Twin Mode anyway, because that much layering and detuning sounds like crap to me.

Digital Screams, this isn't everything you've ever wanted. Your chief complaint about the Virus was that the VA sound wasn't as good as a Jupiter-8 or a Pro One. Well, this Virus doesn't seem like it will be too much different. Sure, it has better specs and integration, but will it sound better? Maybe the better DACS will help, but I'll wait and see. It still has the same old Virus-y oscillators. I haven't heard anything about an oscillator redisign. If they come out with Moog oscs like they did with the Moog filter, that would be something. But the Virus TI leaves me cold.

I know I don't have too many posts here. I don't want you guys to think I'm trolling. I love my Virus KB, but I understand it's limitations and try to play it's strengths. In my opinion, the TI dosn't address the Virus line's limitations. At least the limitations that matter to me.

[GothicIndustrial]

I dont think the Virus Ti is aimed at causing mind loops for existing Virus users.....the specs alone suggest its more aimed at high end music producers (i.e. people like me who want to pollute the world with more 80's style synth sounds :oops: hehe).

Im sure the TI will be very successful.

DS

You goofball, when did you become a "high end producer"? :D
I thought you were a psych major!

-Rob

[ben crosland]

couldn't I just program a patch with three saws and play with the unison settings?

This would not be the same - there is no way to dynamically alter the number of unison voices for one thing..

I'd rather have a regular saw wave that sounded better than hundreds of detuned saws that sound slightly weak...It still has the same old Virus-y oscillators. I haven't heard anything about an oscillator redisign.


A lot of assumptions you are making here, my friend - let's wait and see, shall we?

[GothicIndustrial]

Ben, I haven't heard anything about a revamped sound, only better specs. When Alesis launched the Ion, their focus was on sound, not specs and polyphony. I would prefer to see Access follow suit, rather than focus on more voices. How many voices of Virus would you want in one song? I like to offset the Virus with my other, different sounding synths.

If you have some info about an oscillator redesign, let us in on it. Otherwise, wouldn't the burden of proof lie with those who assume that the oscs will change? Share the wealth!

[ben crosland]

If you have some info about an oscillator redesign, let us in on it. Otherwise, wouldn't the burden of proof lie with those who assume that the oscs will change? Share the wealth!

Look - this is what Access say themselves:

"HyperSaw is a multi-sawtooth oscillator."

This, by definition, means that it is a new oscillator model - the fact that it is capable of producing up to 18 saws per voice, without reducing polyphony, proves this. You're assumption that it will sound just like the original Virus saws stacked in unison is just that - an assumption.

The Wavetable oscillator is obviously new as well, so is bound to sound completely different to the original oscillators, otherwise what would be the point?

Ultimately, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating - I have every faith in Access that the pud will be good 8)

[GothicIndustrial]

This, by definition, means that it is a new oscillator model - the fact that it is capable of producing up to 18 saws per voice, without reducing polyphony, proves this. You're assumption that it will sound just like the original Virus saws stacked in unison is just that - an assumption.


True. Well, hopefully it will be great.

Personally, I'd love to see a non-Virus product from Access, but that's just me.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Gothic....dont you have an ION? For some reason I seem to remeber you saying you had one...or used one?

BTW what synths do you use?

As a side note...im interested to know more about the wavetable oscilators. Are they using the same 68 waveforms as in the orginal Virus? Or are there more/different waveforms? When people say the wavetables are sweepable....does that mean the transition between the various waveforms is smooth/seamless? Or does it mean the actual waveform itself is freeley oscilating as oppsed to being static? Its not clear to me what the score is...

DS

[tranzash]

As far as the synthesis , is it straight forward substractive? Any improvements on the FM section on TI. AM, additive possible(wavetable), Vocodor???

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Check out this JP8000 MP3.....you'll hear a few super saw pads and leads....

The Virus hypersaw...might be heart attack inducing hehe

http://www.sequencer.de/mp/roland/jp8000demo.mp3

DS

[Hollowcell]

Moi Aussi. I'd love to hear more info about this. For example, can you import your own wavetables too?


I've spoken to Juho about this, and he's under the impression it's just a built in rom with no chance of adding your own. Mmmm..fingers crossed though!

[GothicIndustrial]

Gothic....dont you have an ION? For some reason I seem to remeber you saying you had one...or used one?

BTW what synths do you use?
DS

DS, I have a Virus KB, ESQ-1, AX-60, Pulse, Bass Station, JD-990, and ESI-2000. I played with the Ion a bunch of times at Guitar Center, but I don't have one. I was just using it as an example, I didn't really fall in love with it. I think I'm spoiled by the Virus and the Pulse. The Virus is so deep and had such great effects, and the Pulse has such powerful and deep bass, that the Ion left me a little flat. The programming didn't seem as cool as the Virus and the bass couldn't stand up to the Pulse. But I still liked the approach of less poly, more concentration on sound. Also, I've been programming my synths for a while now, and I have very little trigger time with the Ion. Maybe if I played with it a little more I'd like it more.

[IB]

I dont believe it! I dont come online for a few days and this happens! The new model sounds great. Does almost everything i wish my kc did. Looks like i might have to upgrade. They arent planning another new model any time soon are they? I know a built in sequencer (and sampler!) is a lot to ask for a va synth but maybe i should hold out, just incase :P
Anyone in the uk want to make me an offer for my kc??

[jasedee]

Anyone in the uk want to make me an offer for my kc??
Hehehe.....better start queing now, the line is getting longer ;)

[blay]

Hehehe.....better start queing now, the line is getting longer

and apparently so is the wait for the TI :evil:
delivery to the US has supposedly been moved from mid dec to mid jan... and even then there are no guarantees.

i cant complain though - if they hadnt announced the thing i prob would have bought a c instead :wink:

[Sleepwalker]

Here comes a lot of bla-bla!

Well, I was going to by a virus c. And in fact, I tried many times.
I got in contact with a guy from finnland that whith a lot of help from this forum, turned out to be a scammer!! I also went far by car to pick up one, in my neighbour country sweden, but the car broke down half the way, so we had to turn back! (water cabel broke, so we had to refill water every 15min, heheh) The swedish seller did never answare my telephone calls after that, he just hang up the phone. So because since I decided to come and meet him in sweeden, id guess he just freaked out, because he wanted to scamm me too! I dont know, but everytime I tried to call him, eighter he hangs up, or dont answare.

So the process has taken so long now, that my savings of cash will be enough to get a virus TI when it is released!

Should I wait?

Im playing deep psycedelic ambient, chillout, trance and contemporary.
I have tried the Virus B and C a few times, and also my band mate has a B, so I know about its sounds and capabilities.

I shall be using it a lot live. Would you guys recomend the desktop, or a keyboard version? The Polar looks sooo nice! It has the same metal colour as the rest of my gear! 8) :P

But, it must be hell to carry a Polar around giging! Im giging every weekend now, and im already carying a laptop, a small mixer, and a Novation X-Station. At the moment I only play in my own town Oslo, but next year im starting giging in other countries, and also going to India for 4 months to work on a music project in late january, and id love to bring a Virus. Imagine carying around a Polar in India.. :roll: well, my band mate is bringing a nova tabletop, so I can borrow his Virus B, if I wish. Though this trip is exelent for getting get deep into the TI, and make it ready for an exploding summer in europe 8)

I dont know.. Its nice to have dedicated keys. I have an Elektron Monomachine tabletop, and im controling it with the X-Station, but... its not the same as an all in one package! You would need extra keys anyway, in a live situation. Though I could get just a small cheep thing. I do have the smalest keyboard that exists though (must be) but it is only usb conected, and has no pitch and mod weel..( Evolution eKeys) And theres this Apple GarageKey, same as the eKeys, but also got octave up/down buttons. Theres the super flat and light Edirol PCRM1, and theres the nice Korg microKontrol, but this is beginning to be to much! Maybe I will build a controller, im in for it!!

Argh, the choices....:?

I guess its just wait and see... Wait, wait, wait... :roll:

[grs]

and apparently so is the wait for the TI :evil:
delivery to the US has supposedly been moved from mid dec to mid jan... and even then there are no guarantees.


NNNnnnnnooooooooooOOOOOO!!!