View Full Version : Will my Virus C be useless after I buy the TI
ipaqlinux48
10.11.2004, 02:17 PM
Suppose that I buy the new TI, will my Virus C be useless or not. I've bought the C two years ago (for 1600?). If the VIrus C will be useless, I'd rather sell it for 1000?. Better to loose 600? (or more???) than having a Virus C that's only catching dust next to my brand new TI.
Your advice please.
Just think, ALL of the absolutely fantastic music that you've EVER heard has been made on equipment that has already been made. - Not on gear of the future.
The bonus of the TI, on a synthesis-only front, would be the wavetable osc' and the hypersaw when compared with the Virus C.
In addition, the TI also has multi-timbral delay effects, added polyphony, and the software integration when compared to the C.
It depends what you're after, after weighing it up.
Regardless, the C is NOT useless, and never will be! Neither will the Virus B, or A. They're great synths!
DIGITAL SCREAMS
10.11.2004, 03:44 PM
I think some people maybe underestimating the benfits of wavetable oscilators. The TI is practically two synths in one. That is stunning to be honest.
One can only imagine what a hypersaw running through a 1-pole moog filter would sound like......hehe.
The TI is basically a synth workstation.....incredible powerful and flexible. God to think I was about to buy a N3 again....
DS
Juho L
10.11.2004, 03:46 PM
The TI is basically a synth workstation.....incredible powerful and flexible.
Yup. We could even say that Virus TI is the first virtual analog workstation.
sshhh!!!! ;) ;) :lol: D'oh.
Ignore them! The Virus C and B is fantastic, and are the only synth(s) you'll ever need!
Honest!
...now where's my credit card for that Polar...
selling a 2 year old Virus C for 1000 euro is way to much , Iwould give you 300 for it :lol: cuz there is someting better and C has noting special that seperates it from the TI, shame shame shame Access :wink: next year or later the C and definatly previous versions are ready for carbage can :cry: cuz they don't have a feature..that make them shine. Well I really don't mean all this ,but I think there a point or not??. :roll:
Juho L
10.11.2004, 07:04 PM
Hoho. I just noticed that Sunesha had put up a dedicated area for sell ads for Viruses... Buahaha! Sell them all to get the TI!
GothicIndustrial
10.11.2004, 08:07 PM
The TI is basically a synth workstation.....incredible powerful and flexible.
Yup. We could even say that Virus TI is the first virtual analog workstation.
This is the thing: I don't like workstations. I remember reading an interview (forget where) with Alan Wilder, in which he rips on workstations. He said that using a workstation is easy, but it makes you sound like a Roland or Korg demo song. Different synths (possibly even real instruments, too) together have something different to add. I like to have the different fiilter/osc flavors of different synths in my music. The workstation concept doesn't appeal to me.
Juho L
10.11.2004, 08:23 PM
He said that using a workstation is easy, but it makes you sound like a Roland or Korg demo song...
...if you don't know how to use them. Of course if you just use the presets then you very likely end up sounding "gray". But remember that every sample based workstation has a sampling option which just allows you to load whatever sounds you like.
I don't see a relation of this sample workstation and VA workstation thing. Afterall they're not even slighlty the same thing. TI is a allaround VA that can take huge projects without additional mixdowns in the middle of the project. That what the "workstation" part means.
ben crosland
10.11.2004, 08:29 PM
Of course if you just use the presets then you very likely end up sounding "gray".
Sure, if we all use the same few from the 2048 it's gonna ship with ;)
GothicIndustrial
10.11.2004, 08:44 PM
Ben, do you work for Access?
Also, synths tend to have a signature sound. You can make a million different patches with the Virus, but they're still gonna sound like a Virus. This is not an attack on the Virus, I think it's true of any synth.
ben crosland
10.11.2004, 08:59 PM
Ben, do you work for Access?
I do some work for Access, yes - preset designing and trade show demos, for instance. I am not an employee.
Why, what are you trying to say? ;)
Also, synths tend to have a signature sound. You can make a million different patches with the Virus, but they're still gonna sound like a Virus. This is not an attack on the Virus, I think it's true of any synth.
This is true to an extent, but I think it's fair to say that it is easier to identify the Virus sound in some contexts than it is in others. I think the more a patch makes use of the onboard fx, the easier it becomes to identify it as Virus. Also, there are inevitably those presets which become trademarks - other musicians might pour scorn on those who use these patches, but the general public know nothing of such things, so what does it matter?
For the record though, I never use presets in my own work ;)
DIGITAL SCREAMS
10.11.2004, 10:03 PM
Also, synths tend to have a signature sound. You can make a million different patches with the Virus, but they're still gonna sound like a Virus. This is not an attack on the Virus, I think it's true of any synth.
The attribute you are describing here is one of the reasons why I'd buy a Virus. Not all synths have a signiture sound....only really decent ones do.
If I wanted some unrecognisable synth sounds....I go would go and download a free shitty softsynth and run it through a Pro-One filter and then mangle the hell out of it using plugin fx. But thats NOT the way I do things. Having said that I ran a Kraftwerk drum beat through the Pro-One and it was amazing! I reckon they should stick analog filters on soundcards hehe
With reference to another comment you made regarding me prefering the Jupiter 8 sounds.....It really depends what mood im in. If im in the mood for instant warm analog 80's sounds (and lets face it...who isnt!) then the JP8 wins. But if im feeling in the mood for doing some deep programming and using my imagination then the Virus is the best. Since selling the Virus KC I have come to miss it. There is something about it that I like. There were also a few things that I didnt like....but at the end of the day my financial position dictated what I had to do.
Now that the Ti incorperates full effects, loads of poly and Wavetable type oscilators..im impressed.
Dont worry about the KB.....its a fine synth...everyone knows that.
DS
Hollowcell
11.11.2004, 03:53 AM
The TI can import patches from the C I've heard/read, so yes the VC probably will be useless - unless you don't have a TI, then it will be very usefull. Having both though...........Waste.
Damn I'm looking forward to hearing the TI though.
waketek
11.11.2004, 06:34 AM
I am in the same boat. I have a Virus C but am drooling over the Wavetable OSC and HyperSaw OSC... Also the USB connection and plugin control. Having total control over programming of Arps for each and every patch is Awsome. From what I have read the TI has been rebuilt from the inside out.....Thus bringing up the question.....Will it have a different sound? I am not Rich by any means but Would I benefit from keeping my Virus C and getting the TI? I mean think of merging the two together and using them in Unison. I know people that have two Nord leads a rack and keyboard version same goes for the JP-8000 and a JP-8080. I have heard custom patches and loops that contain so many Layers it is mind boggling and sound awsome. Just looking for some advice or insight if you had the choice of having both or getting something else....(already got a V-synth, JP,and many more but there is just something about the Access Virus...I love this thing!!
i dont actually own a virus product yet - the ti will be my first :twisted:
but my housemate who i write music with owns a kb and he is in the same dilemma (well maybe not now that ihave one on order).
i have used his kb for some time now and i can tell you that before the release of the ti i was considering purchasing a nord lead 3 - purely because there was already a virus in the house and i felt the two instruments would compliment each other nicely.
your idea of teaming up the units is totally valid - especially once there are enough secondhand b and c units on the market to force the price down. you can never have too many :twisted: especially when you could utilise the input of the ti and use it as an interface for your b or c to connect to your pc....
mid-december just isnt coming quick enough... :(
jasedee
11.11.2004, 11:09 AM
i dont actually own a virus product yet - the ti will be my first :twisted:
And I hope a fully comprehensive review will be posted? ;)
Hollowcell
11.11.2004, 11:17 AM
i dont actually own a virus product yet - the ti will be my first :twisted:
And I hope a fully comprehensive review will be posted? ;)
I'll say! Specially if you have a bit of synth background Blay.
That goes for anyone who gets their hands on one. I'm sure someone here will host some web space for sound demos and all that. I wanna hear it!
Thus bringing up the question.....Will it have a different sound?
I've been wondering about this too. For example if we bring in the Nordlead2 vs the Nordlead3 debate - even the NL2 vs the NL2x (same engine but different D/As). The sound has changed for the worse in some peoples eyes.
Bloody hell I'm looking forward to hearing this thing though.
i think you will get sick of me dribbling about the thing :wink:
and i guess it depends how comprehensive the manual is in terms of how quickly i give a review (and how comprehensive it is!)
im certainly no expert with the existing series, but i am more than willing to give up any info or help to those interested.
in fact the more questions im asked the better cause it will push me to learn - which is a positive :wink:
Purusha
11.11.2004, 07:46 PM
Yup - your Virus C will self destruct the minute the TI is released!
:lol:
Yup - your Virus C will self destruct the minute the TI is released!
i would advise you not to hold your breath as this could be severly detrimental to your health :oops:
wildbill
11.12.2004, 11:44 PM
Suppose that I buy the new TI, will my Virus C be useless or not. .................
Your advice please.
yes, your virus C will be useless - you might as well give it to me.
jasedee
11.12.2004, 11:46 PM
yes, your virus C will be useless - you might as well give it to me.
HEY! Get in line mate..... ;)
yes, your virus C will be useless - you might as well give it to me.
HEY! Get in line mate..... ;)
Damn, I was going to say that too.
Your Virus C is an instrument. Not a computer.
Stop looking at specs and enjoy what a wonderful instrument it really is :)
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mcoyote
12.12.2004, 06:26 AM
Stop looking at specs and enjoy what a wonderful instrument it really is :)
Good point. I guess the real question is, is it suddenly going to stop working when the new type comes out? Are all of your compositions suddenly going to need 80 voice polyphony? Not really -- notes and beats are the same, even if musical styles change.
As long as your VC produces those in the ways that you want, it will remain useful.
xerxes_
12.12.2004, 07:24 AM
Ben, do you work for Access?
I do some work for Access, yes - preset designing and trade show demos, for instance. I am not an employee.
Why, what are you trying to say? ;)
Also, synths tend to have a signature sound. You can make a million different patches with the Virus, but they're still gonna sound like a Virus. This is not an attack on the Virus, I think it's true of any synth.
This is true to an extent, but I think it's fair to say that it is easier to identify the Virus sound in some contexts than it is in others. I think the more a patch makes use of the onboard fx, the easier it becomes to identify it as Virus. Also, there are inevitably those presets which become trademarks - other musicians might pour scorn on those who use these patches, but the general public know nothing of such things, so what does it matter?
For the record though, I never use presets in my own work ;)
i dont understand this "dont use presets" attitude. there is an immense difference between a sound-engineer and a composer. i've heard music from several respected sound-engineers and their music is below-par/crap. but they do know how to make a good sound.
soundengineers make composers sound good. and the other way around. personally, i use a mix of both presets and hand made sounds. i only do this because i've always had limited access to good sounds (never owned any HW before).. when i get the TI, i'll use the presets for what its worth. and i promise you.. it will sound better than music from the people who created the patches.
YAY for presets :)
.x
ben crosland
12.12.2004, 07:47 AM
soundengineers make composers sound good. and the other way around.
Never a truer word has been spoken!
personally, i use a mix of both presets and hand made sounds. i only do this because i've always had limited access to good sounds (never owned any HW before).. when i get the TI, i'll use the presets for what its worth. and i promise you.. it will sound better than music from the people who created the patches.
.x
You may well be correct, but in our defence, I think the main reason sound-designers struggle to compose much decent music, is because we spend too much time on the sounds. The reverse is probably true for composers ;)
For the record, there are also many very successful composers who design most, if not all their own sounds. BT, Vangelis, Brian Eno, to name but a few..
Juho L
12.12.2004, 08:19 AM
You may well be correct, but in our defence, I think the main reason sound-designers struggle to compose much decent music, is because we spend too much time on the sounds. The reverse is probably true for composers ;)
Indeed. When I had a Virus I remember that 90% of the time I programmed sounds. That was probably why I didn't get any new tunes while I had a Virus. ?hih.
Of course by sound programming you can get originality, but then if you have a preset that works perfectly, why not to use it instead. Don't fix if it's not broken.
Wandering Kid
12.12.2004, 09:05 AM
Yup - your Virus C will self destruct the minute the TI is released!
holy fucking shit! access rigged my virus b to detonate when the TI ships. mutha fuckerz!
seriously though saba's words are wise like mr myagi's.
about a synth being an instrument. not a computer.
if anything ive learnt that having a 3 ghz cpu or 2 gigs of ram or 80 poly just makes people use it up more inefficiently. you'll just burn that poly up on multiple unisons and then next year you will drool over the virus HPM (high poly monster) with like, 250 simultaneous voices. :lol:
of course, im not getting a virus TI so if they all ship with bombs in them, this can only be good news for me (provided the bomb is only powerful enough to muller the virus and not the person playing it - cant have deaths on my conscience. oh no :roll: )
my way of dealing with the TI -
it doesnt exist. it doesnt exist. if i believe its not real - it isnt! la la la la! RAH RAH RAH!
it doesnt exist. it doesnt exist. if i believe its not real - it isnt! la la la la! RAH RAH RAH!
im beginning to think this may be true.
access have got sick of so many people (HC) posting hoaxes that they are getting their own back now... the whole thing is actually a farce :lol:
xerxes_
12.12.2004, 05:50 PM
soundengineers make composers sound good. and the other way around.
Never a truer word has been spoken!
personally, i use a mix of both presets and hand made sounds. i only do this because i've always had limited access to good sounds (never owned any HW before).. when i get the TI, i'll use the presets for what its worth. and i promise you.. it will sound better than music from the people who created the patches.
.x
You may well be correct, but in our defence, I think the main reason sound-designers struggle to compose much decent music, is because we spend too much time on the sounds. The reverse is probably true for composers ;)
For the record, there are also many very successful composers who design most, if not all their own sounds. BT, Vangelis, Brian Eno, to name but a few..
yep thanks for that reply ben! i agree 100%. when i re-read my post it sounded as if i meant EVERY soundengineer. i meant it more as a general statement and i am sorry for being a bit vague :)
i know BT makes most (all?) of his own sounds. an extraordinary multitalent he is. i didnt know vangelis created most of his sounds. seeing that he is my all-time favorite composer, i've read quite a bit about him.. and he has a TEAM of sound engineers working for him. i might be wrong, but i dont think vangelis himself does the soundshaping part (except for in the old days ofcourse.. i've actually only read the production details of 1492 and oceanic).
btw. how do you feel about commercial artists using presets? :)
Wandering Kid
12.12.2004, 10:13 PM
commercial artists using presets?
whatever gets the job done. i prefer to think of the means as subsidiary to the ends. if you can make a cracking good song that happens to use a virus preset then nothing is gonna change the fact its a good song.
sometimes, and by no means is this always applicable but extensive use of presets can show up the limitations of the producer. case in point. VNV nation. talented musicians that quite obviously never learnt how to produce. and never really bothered even after having alot of their work signed. their discography reads like a list of virus b presets. in this case i would say its just plain laziness and it shows in their work. musically they are gifted. but their reliance on stock sounds really shows up whats wrong in their music which is a shame.
if a song is well made, you just notice it. you can throw in a preset here and there but if it sits well in the mix and it feels like it should be there i really couldnt careless. in fact, if i like it and ID a virus preset it just makes me happier that i can make something just as groovy because i got a virus too :D gives me even more faith in the fact that i made the right choice by not bidding on that nord lead 2
xerxes_
12.12.2004, 10:22 PM
commercial artists using presets?
whatever gets the job done. i prefer to think of the means as subsidiary to the ends. if you can make a cracking good song that happens to use a virus preset then nothing is gonna change the fact its a good song.
sometimes, and by no means is this always applicable but extensive use of presets can show up the limitations of the producer. case in point. VNV nation. talented musicians that quite obviously never learnt how to produce. and never really bothered even after having alot of their work signed. their discography reads like a list of virus b presets. in this case i would say its just plain laziness and it shows in their work. musically they are gifted. but their reliance on stock sounds really shows up whats wrong in their music which is a shame.
if a song is well made, you just notice it. you can throw in a preset here and there but if it sits well in the mix and it feels like it should be there i really couldnt careless. in fact, if i like it and ID a virus preset it just makes me happier that i can make something just as groovy because i got a virus too :D gives me even more faith in the fact that i made the right choice by not bidding on that nord lead 2
well put m8 :) agreed!
Hollowcell
13.12.2004, 12:40 AM
it doesnt exist. it doesnt exist. if i believe its not real - it isnt! la la la la! RAH RAH RAH!
im beginning to think this may be true.
access have got sick of so many people (HC) posting hoaxes that they are getting their own back now... the whole thing is actually a farce :lol:
Hey! That's not kind Blay. Even though I did receive mail from Access asking me to stop doing those "photoshop style" hoaxes (I had nothing to do with the mp3-editing-posts hoaxe that went around by the way), I'm sure they were happy with the free publicity I gave them. :D
Using presets hey? Mmmmm. I see no trouble with it at all really. I have to admit though I don't use presets often at all anymore, but that's because I really enjoy creating new sounds and experimenting with different engineering techniques. I go through stages where I'll program for the best part of a month, then after that I sit down and put them into music. All part of the fun.
Tomer=Trance
13.12.2004, 06:30 AM
this reminds me of another question i dont think anyone asked in this post
why not replace your virus c with another high end va like clavia g2 or waldorf q/xt.
Hey! That's not kind Blay.
you never know mate. access might have you on some sort of hit-list :lol:
i thought the hoax pics you made looked great - maybe you gave access a bit of a design complex :wink:
Hollowcell
13.12.2004, 11:39 AM
Hey! That's not kind Blay.
you never know mate. access might have you on some sort of hit-list :lol:
i thought the hoax pics you made looked great - maybe you gave access a bit of a design complex :wink:
They were actually very kind about it. Honestly, if I'd known that the pictures caused trouble I would have made them a little more "fake". Oops.
tranzash
14.12.2004, 12:23 AM
why not replace your virus c with another high end va like clavia g2 or waldorf q/xt.
The only thing that i hate in G2 is no unison module :evil:
May be in the future OS updates :?
The G2 does sound beautiful (well, the demos I heard on the Clavia site). Gorgeous organic stuff. It sounds like the physical modelling is absolutely insanely better than the stuff I can coax out of the Korg Z1, say. But this is nearly 2005, not 1995, of course.
Irrelevant, but is it just me, or does anyone else feel Clavia's synths look cold and downright butt-ugly, though?! They're absolutely grotesque (apart from the rotary encoder LEDs)! I utterly, utterly despise the red colour, and would probably have to have it re-sprayed if I ever managed to grab hold of one, lol.
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