OPTION: VIRUS TI

[soulidstate]

Hi All. Im new in this forum. I wish to know more about the VIRUS. I do electronic music most of the time but I play other genre as well. So here are my questions:

1. Does the Virus also have good common intrument sounds like piano, guitars, etc?
2. I own a Triton Extreme. Will it be easy to control the Virus using the Triton's sequencer?
3. I know that can better achieve good electronica/analog sounds with Virus and having short in bucks to spend.. do you think it's worth while to sell my Triton and get a Virus TI instead? I will then use my PC to sequence?

Your inputs pls...
Regards!

[blay]

1. Does the Virus also have good common intrument sounds like piano, guitars, etc?

i havent used a triton im pretty sure its basically a big sampler - so in effect each different patch (or sound) you hear is a well recorded sample that gets played back when you press the keys (the sample's pitch will be determined by the note you play.

the virus is not a sampler as such, it is a virtual analog modelling synthesiser. The virus generates sound, as opposed to just triggering a sample. Through the process of synthesis it is possible to mimic real instruments, however it is a much more complex process than what i think you are used to with the triton.

2. I own a Triton Extreme. Will it be easy to control the Virus using the Triton's sequencer?

Yes. But I think you would end up controlling the triton with the virus :wink:

3. I know that can better achieve good electronica/analog sounds with Virus and having short in bucks to spend.. do you think it's worth while to sell my Triton and get a Virus TI instead? I will then use my PC to sequence?

if you really need sampled instrument sounds then buy some sample cds, or better still learn to play an instrument (or befriend someone who already can)

My suggestion - if you really have to sell the triton to get the TI - I say do it. You wont be dissappointed 8) [/quote]

[soulidstate]

Thanks Blay. So basically the Virus is a "RAW" synth. RAW in a sense that the sounds are unlike a usual synth where sounds are sampled intrument s and you have to program your own sound.

My follow up questions are:

1.Does it have at least drum kits?

Yes. But I think you would end up controlling the triton with the virus

2.Do you mean to say, I can use the filters to control the triton's sounds?

3. Is a Virus and a sequencer basicallly enough a set up to create music?

4. I understand that you have to program your own patch to achieve good sounds or you can upload program sets available. Is that right?

...More quetions to follow. 8O

[blay]

1.Does it have at least drum kits?

the virus stores patches in banks. the new TI will apparently have categorised banks within the software editor, so for instance one bank might be drums, one might be bass sounds etc

2.Do you mean to say, I can use the filters to control the triton's sounds?

the TI can operate in remote mode, which gives you a number of templates to control various softsynths (and hardware va's as well i spose - access will release this info soon im sure)
it also has audio inputs, so you can run the audio signal of your triton through the fx and filters of the virus to create your sound.

3. Is a Virus and a sequencer basicallly enough a set up to create music?

definately :D

4. I understand that you have to program your own patch to achieve good sounds or you can upload program sets available. Is that right?

the TI will ship with 2048 patches. im sure there will be a couple of decent ones there.
dont rely on presets. do some reading on subtractive synthesis then go tweak crazy
:wink:

...More questions to follow.

considering you are fairly new to the virus range, i would suggest downloading a manual of the previous series to see what its all about. There is pdf on the new series available at the access website.
I hope this info has been useful...

[Hollowcell]

1. Does the Virus also have good common intrument sounds like piano, guitars, etc?

Nup, the Virus doesn't do "real" instruments very well at all. A sampler or rompler is your best bet here. I'm sure your Triton has a few good "real" sounds on board though. :wink:

2. I own a Triton Extreme. Will it be easy to control the Virus using the Triton's sequencer?

Yep, shouldn't be any problem. Haven't heard of that many people sequencing from a triton though honestly.

3. I know that can better achieve good electronica/analog sounds with Virus and having short in bucks to spend.. do you think it's worth while to sell my Triton and get a Virus TI instead? I will then use my PC to sequence?

I don't think you should sell the Triton if you are thinking you can get similar sounds out the Virus. The Virus (being a VA) does not do certain things that you could do with the Triton. Very different machines.

1.Does it have at least drum kits?

It can do if you program them. Nothing beats a sampler for snares and cymbals in my opinon though. The Virus is quite nice for heavy kicks and stuff though.

2.Do you mean to say, I can use the filters to control the triton's sounds?

Not completely sure what you mean by this, but you can run sounds from the Triton (or any external source) into the Virus and have the Virus filters filter the Triton sound. You can also use the Virus effects over external sounds too if you want. If you go to the soundclick link in my signature you can hear a few demos "heavy electronic" of a guitar sound mixed with 2 other synths all going through the Virus filters and FX.

3. Is a Virus and a sequencer basicallly enough a set up to create music?

That depends on what sort of music you're into. I would say no though.

4. I understand that you have to program your own patch to achieve good sounds or you can upload program sets available. Is that right?

One thing with the Virus series is that there are many usable sounds straight out of the box. I tend to be a bit pureist in this matter though - meaning I like to program most of my own sounds.

Hope this helps. :D

[Hollowcell]

Hey, looks like Blay and I are online at the same time! Hi mate. :D

[soulidstate]

Thanks Blay and HC. I now have a better idea what a Virus is all about aside from those infecting PC. :wink:

I'll check out the manual. . .

[blay]

Hey, looks like Blay and I are online at the same time! Hi mate. :D

classic HC. i was reading through your response thinking - isnt he pretty much saying what i just said? :wink:
whats even funnier is the fact that while i was writing my response i thought 'this is taking me a while - if someone else has already posted this is going to sound useless' :lol:

[Purusha]

Definitely think twice before selling your Triton. The money you'd make from selling it wouldn't be enough to justify the sale IMO.

The Triton Extreme is good at what it does - it's a powerful machine. It also makes a good controller.

If you could afford to have both, I'd say the combination of Triton and Virus covers a lot of ground.

I have a Triton Extreme keyboard which I use as my master controller. It's also there for when I'm playing more conventional gigs where I want stock sounds.

In the studio, I'm more likely to use soft-samplers for Triton type stuff, but I'm currently loath to use soft-synths/samplers live.

[blay]

If you could afford to have both, I'd say the combination of Triton and Virus covers a lot of ground.

i agree - but if it has to be one or the other - get the TI, get tweaking and before you know it some original sounds may start making their way into your music :wink:

[Purusha]

Bear in mind that he's already got a Triton Blay. It's not a choice in buying one or the other new.

He'll be lucky to get half what he paid for it (if he bought new). I'd say it's worth keeping if possible.

[Juho L]

Yup. I wouldn't sell the Triton Extreme. You would just lose loads of money in the exhange and you might regret the whole thing afterwards. Or you could save some money and get a Virus C series synth really cheap when everybody is selling theirs in order to get the TI.

[blay]

Or you could save some money and get a Virus C series synth really cheap when everybody is selling theirs in order to get the TI.

i agree juho - thats definately worthwhile considering.
if you decided upon buying a c i would wait a little bit until the prices drop even further (discontinued line and all...)
i wanted a c originally, but i just couldnt help myself :twisted:

[Timo]

Personally, I wouldn't get rid of a decent workstation for any VA. Stock samples are all too important. The Extreme has an immense amount of these at your fingertips, along with a host of effects and a great set of controllers.

You can't get the Virus to realistically play pianos, guitars, orchestral, instruments, drums - real-world type sounds - that would otherwise easily come from workstations (Motif/Triton etc.). I think the Extreme allows sampling too, which is even more of a reason not to get rid of it if you're not intent on plugging that gap at a later time.
You can program drums on the Virus, but you'll never make a set of synth drums sound like any real sets. Instead they'll be more drum-machiney, naturally.

On the other hand, the workstations can do VA-type sounds, but they're never going to be as strong or flexible as the sounds coming from a dedicated VA synth.

A workstation and a VA would be the best compromise. Take a look at the second-hand market.

[soulidstate]

Thanks to all of you guys for the advice. They are very helpful. I will not sell my triton anymore after realizing that VA doesn't have those basic sounds that I also needed. I think you are right, Virus side by side with Triton is a killer combination. I think its time to save up.. :wink:

Regards!

[Drammy]

So basically the Virus is a "RAW" synth. RAW in a sense that the sounds are unlike a usual synth where sounds are sampled intrument s and you have to program your own sound.

Sorry to nit pick but I would say that a "usual"synth is a synth that synthesises its sounds on the fly, not a ROMpler.

The original synths did not play back sounds and I would guess that the type of synths that you are talking about didn't appear till about 15 years after the real synthesisers.

Sorry but I couldn't let that one go...


Martyn

[jasedee]

I would guess that the type of synths that you are talking about didn't appear till about 15 years after the real synthesisers.
Actually Martyn, I believe it was 14 years and 11.5 months, NOT, in fact, 15 years as you have stated!



:lol:

Pick dem nits!!!!!! ;)

[Drammy]

Touch?


God - please let that accent be on the right way round!

Drammy

[jasedee]

Touch?


God - please let that accent be on the right way round!
HAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!!! Indeed......

I've got nothing now, you win :)

In relation to the topic, I own a Motif Rack and a Virus RackXL, and think that this combination is a definate, clear winner. Dont get rid of the Triton, and if you can afford it, get the Ti, if not, you will be more than happy with a C series. Just because some new product line comes out does not mean that the old series is obselete or worthless. The C will be an amazing synth for years to come

Good luck!

[soulidstate]

Sorry to nit pick but I would say that a "usual"synth is a synth that synthesises its sounds on the fly, not a ROMpler.

The original synths did not play back sounds and I would guess that the type of synths that you are talking about didn't appear till about 15 years after the real synthesisers.

Sorry but I couldn't let that one go...


Martyn

No problem Martyn. I think you are right. Thanks for the trivia. :wink:

[soulidstate]

Dont get rid of the Triton, and if you can afford it, get the Ti, if not, you will be more than happy with a C series. Just because some new product line comes out does not mean that the old series is obselete or worthless. The C will be an amazing synth for years to come

Good luck!
Thanks

Really!How about Classic?Is there a big difference between the Classic and C?[/quote]

[jasedee]

Really!How about Classic?Is there a big difference between the Classic and C?
I think the classic is not as good as a C desktop or KC, less polyphony or something???

I would go for a C Desktop if I were you, as you already have a nice keyboard (Triton). Plus you have all the knobs for control of parameters

[Hollowcell]

The C has more filters, more poly, more mod routings (i think) and it looks cooler. :D

More poly I find important actually as sometimes I make leads and bass that seem to eat it up really quickly. Couldn't imagine having less now.

The new filters are really nice. You can hear the 4-pole in action with the "heavy electric" demos I have on Soundclick. That filter isn't on the classic.

Bassicly, the price is a fair bit different too.

[grs]

The clasic is 'exactly' the virus b. Made to sell at a cheaper price than the virus c ( interestingly enough has the virus c is now discontinued ) When the virus b got pure tuning, 1000+ patch memory and 64 arps in the last update of the OS it almost became a virus c. Less the moog filter, eq, and 12 voices and a differnt nob or two on the front, its pretty much the same synth.
the Virus Classic OS basically is the same, so there are no new
features included or anything. (from virus support email)