SH101s are cool :)

[Gopal]

Just looking at getting one and thought I'd ask for some opinions.

Is it just good for bass? I've heard it does great hoovers too.

Thoughts, opinions welcome :)

[jasedee]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA............is this your idea of "Real Gear"?????

This is more of a toy than bloody Reason! It's a DJ toy, a groovebox type piece of junk. Sheesh!

:P

[Blank]

Dont listen to him...it actually sounds quite good...and for the price, not bad either...I dont know why he considers it a toy...its made up of all the same shit as the synths he uses...

peace
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[jasedee]

Dont listen to him...it actually sounds quite good...and for the price, not bad either...I dont know why he considers it a toy...its made up of all the same shit as the synths he uses...

peace
Blank
Maybe so, but in his other post he categorised Reason as a toy, says that you should just buy "Real gear", and then in the next breath thinks this SH101 is obviously in the category of "Real gear".....

Seriously? And, the synths I use is Virus, which is definately not comparable to SH101.....not even the same league!!!

[Blank]

LOL hahaha

I could not stop laughing at your post...i forgot about his on reason...but i dont like reason either!! Now as for a toy...that would be FL studio...and i use that...now lets stack the 2 here...one makes sound...hmmm....so does the other...one is used as a musical instrument...hmmm...so is the other...one has knobs...hmmm...oh shit the other has sliders...uh well guess they arent the same :wink: :lol: :lol:

peace
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[jasedee]

LOL hahaha

I could not stop laughing at your post...i forgot about his on reason...but i dont like reason either!! Now as for a toy...that would be FL studio...and i use that...now lets stack the 2 here...one makes sound...hmmm....so does the other...one is used as a musical instrument...hmmm...so is the other...one has knobs...hmmm...oh shit the other has sliders...uh well guess they arent the same :wink: :lol: :lol:

peace
Blank
I know what you mean.....I was just being bitchy :)

[Blank]

Trust me i completely understand...if you read some of my old posts with me a juho fighting...you would think im some overstressed women with menopause :twisted: :twisted: 8O :wink:

peace
Blank

[jasedee]

Trust me i completely understand...if you read some of my old posts with me a juho fighting...you would think im some overstressed women with menopause
Heheheheee......It's all love in here!

[blay]

sorry jasedee but the sh101 is no toy.
if you can find one in decent nick that doesnt have a 70cycle hum, the 101 might only be a monosynth - not much to it but whats there is quality. a friend owned one which he bought from his school music department back in the day (for $50 cause noone knew how to use it).
he sold it last year for $850.
just cause its made by roland and looks like a cheap version of a 505 does not mean that its incapable of producing decent sound (esp. bass)
:)

[hatembr]

101 is a toy ??? 8O come on !! most of the old trance tracks we enjoyed listening to have some 101 bass and lead sounds, especially oldschool goa! Astral Projection, Juno Reactor and all similar big names used to work with that analog "toy" !

[jasedee]

just cause its made by roland and looks like a cheap version of a 505 does not mean that its incapable of producing decent sound (esp. bass):)
I never said it wasnt capable of pumping out some nice synth action

[jasedee]

:oops:

I know when to apologise.......

For some strange reason, when I saw the words SH101, I thought you were talking about the newer Roland SH synth, the SH32!!!!!

Am I a fuckin dickhead or what?????

I am officially taking back and retracting all of my previous statements, and can the mods please now change my nickname to "Dickhead"

Sorry mate!!!! My mistake

[blay]

Sorry mate!!!! My mistake

no prob :wink:

[Blank]

Hey i have an sh32 and its not that bad :wink:

really its not for the money...i just figured i would add to the fire LOL

Honestly guys the only reason he mentioned it in the first place was because Gopal said reason was a toy...and really if you can produce decent music with a playschool keyboard its not a toy...hey a girl i knew a couple years back had a guitar made out of a can guitar strings and a thin long piece of wood made some pretty cool sounds...so really anything can be a tool for music...and it was quite a negative comment about reason...and he had no right to say it!!!

So i understand why you said it Jasedee


peace
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[jasedee]

So i understand why you said it Jasedee
Thanks guys......I was thinkin I would have to leave this place in shame for my comments ;)

[Blank]

Now adays i try to keep the peace as much as possible...because arguing with Juho made me realize its pointless...LOL

peace
Blank

[blay]

Now adays i try to keep the peace as much as possible...because arguing with Juho made me realize its pointless...LOL


argueing is only pointless if neither party listens to each others point of view. if you feel strongly about something then stand by it - you do not have to accept others opinions just because they shout them louder...

i think it would be sad if members here became afraid to speak their mind for fear of ridicule... i dont take criticism from people i dont respect - because their opinion means nothing to me.

dont go soft on us here blank :wink:

[Blank]

Heres the thing i stand by my opinions but if someone doesnt see my point...instead of trying to force my opinion down their throat or keep arguing hoping they will soon see it...i let them believe what they want and go on my way...

peace man thats what its all about :wink:

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[3o3]

Err.. what is this; SH101 is a nice little synthesizer.

And what the hell you guyz are arguing about is something i gotta catch up with later.. I just woke up.

[Blank]

yeah and i have to get out of because i have to go to sleep...


the disgruntle american leaves the building

peace
Blank

[blay]

i agree mate - but there is a fine line here......

some people just cant handle confrontation...
...and others thrive on it.

which of the two gets the outcome they desire? unfortunately that's life.

i believe its all about finding that happy medium 8)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The SH101 is one of the nicest sounding 1 osc analog mono's out there. Nice rich sounding waveforms....classic Roland filter. VERY good for clear rubbery basses. Snappy envelops.....versatile synth.

Alot of people use the 101 for 303 acid bass (funny but true). I highly recommend this synth. However, for about ?100 more you could pick a Pro-One or Mono-Poly. The P1 and MP are in a different league in terms of girth, dirt and versatility. Forget minimoogs.....go for P1's every time.

Ill email you a few sounds....

DS

[blay]

hows the availability on the pro one/monopoly DS?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Well here in the UK I use www.sospubs.co.uk or www.rlmusic.co.uk to source old analog synths. Availability is good. For people in australia....Id say you should go look at Japanese specialist dealers or online auctions...

There are alot of SH101's, Jupiters and Mono-Poly's floating around over there. Here back in the UK they are a little lighter on the ground. We tend to get more of the American manufacturers i.e. Sequential.

DS

[Tomer=Trance]

its too damn expensive here
not worth the 400 euro they usualy ask for it.

[Onkel Dunkel]

Since i only produce music on an amateur/hobby basis i would say that all my music equipment are toys (including my Virus) and boy do i love playing with my toys (especially my Virus) :D

If you produce music professionally the toys become tools.

* The only thing that changes when boys become men is the price of their toys *

[Blank]

Well put Onkel!!!

peace
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[Hollowcell]

SH101, wicked little mono. Chunky bass and really intersting real time control. I see them selling all the time over here - I wish I bought one when they were cheap, but recently the price has jumped here. :cry:

How much are you getting it for?

The only thing I've heard that goes wrong with them is tunning. This is usually related to the power switch in some way (don't ask me how though).

[RS]

I think the sh 101 is a wicked little mono synth..

Any one heard of Joy Kitikonti, writes more on the tech/trance stuff..
The track Joy Energizer is a complete egsample of what the sh 101 can do :)

Its by far the best synth for full LFO efx..

I do belive it was used by DJ Isaak for on the edge, sample a lfo stab cut it in half and you will get the sound he uses :)

[Tomer=Trance]

im not a big fat of that commercial music
but joy said that track was done almost completly on the nord lead.

[Gopal]

:)

[Juho L]

I would just like to say that you've all been a great big bunch of dickheads. Next time I need an answer to a question I'll go down my local music shop where people will just answer the FREAKIN QUESTION!

Err... Ahem.

The SH101 is one of the nicest sounding 1 osc analog mono's out there. Nice rich sounding waveforms....classic Roland filter. VERY good for clear rubbery basses. Snappy envelops.....versatile synth.

Alot of people use the 101 for 303 acid bass (funny but true). I highly recommend this synth. However, for about ?100 more you could pick a Pro-One or Mono-Poly. The P1 and MP are in a different league in terms of girth, dirt and versatility. Forget minimoogs.....go for P1's every time.

The only thing I've heard that goes wrong with them is tunning. This is usually related to the power switch in some way (don't ask me how though).

I think the sh 101 is a wicked little mono synth..

Any one heard of Joy Kitikonti, writes more on the tech/trance stuff..
The track Joy Energizer is a complete egsample of what the sh 101 can do icon_smile.gif

Its by far the best synth for full LFO efx..

[3o3]

He is just loco.

Anyways; I do like those sh101. If you pick up a SH101 be sure to get the mod-grip aswell and you got a really nice live synth.

For some reason thou, i have never looked at the SH101 as an bass-synth, i look at it more of an lead-type of synthesizer with some really nice tweaking-capabilities.

EDIT: HC -> I've heard about the same thing - a friend of mines owns a SH101 that works perfect but if he touches the power-button it goes out of tune. On another forum a member from Roland answered the question that the powersupply (or something equal) had an design fault (or something similiar) however you could always order a new one that works fine and they are really cheap. In sweden they would cost 70:- SEK ($10) for a new power-supply.

[Tomer=Trance]

He is just loco.

Anyways; I do like those sh101. If you pick up a SH101 be sure to get the mod-grip aswell and you got a really nice live synth.

For some reason thou, i have never looked at the SH101 as an bass-synth, i look at it more of an lead-type of synthesizer with some really nice tweaking-capabilities.

EDIT: HC -> I've heard about the same thing - a friend of mines owns a SH101 that works perfect but if he touches the power-button it goes out of tune. On another forum a member from Roland answered the question that the powersupply (or something equal) had an design fault (or something similiar) however you could always order a new one that works fine and they are really cheap. In sweden they would cost 70:- SEK ($10) for a new power-supply.

well alot of clasic analog synths go out of tune
i heard you got to tune the minimoog almost every week.

[Gopal]

Yeah, I am loco! And I make crap music too![/quote]

[3o3]

i heard you got to tune the minimoog almost every week.

Alot of my friends that got minimoogs doesn't got this problem at all; just let the analogue warm up first before you play.

Gopal; Bah. Just because you are loco doesn't mean your music is bad. post a clip - i'd like to hear some mate

[Gopal]

I will post a clip when I have written something I'm proud of. Everything sounds like 2 dimensional shite so far. I think I'm more of a producer than a composer, but I'm crap at that as well so far.

[Juho L]

What the heck is loco?

[Tomer=Trance]

loco means crazy in spanish.

[XLR8A]

I sold my last analogue synth 2 years ago and i got rid of all vintage synth
bullshit that i stupidly collected over the years. About SH101 i must admit
that it was one of my favorite ones, very good filter and phat oscillators.
Today it worth between $250 to $350 depends on condition, and i highly
recommend to buy a midi>cv converter from PhilReese or Kenton.

@Tomer=Trance,
Today the price of SH101 in Israel is around 1500nis, i know that some
people may ask even 2500nis for it, but i don't believe that anyone
will really pay more than 1800 for it.

:D

[Tomer=Trance]

some people are willing to pay any price you ask.
i just saw the other day tons of vintage stuff sold
jup8,poly6,ms20,matrix 6
the prices were unreasonable but i still belive some people are obsessive enough or dumb enough to play that price.

btw where are you from that your fermilier with the israeli (super high) prices?

[XLR8A]

I'm from Holon, and i saw those posts on act.co.il , maybe those people who
sell it may be just too obsessive or dumb enuff to ask so much money for it.

:wink:

[Hollowcell]

People that pay a fortune for vintage analogue are nuts in my opinion. The colector prices are not close to the value of the machine - I say that and I'm living in a country where they are really cheap.

What other analogues did you own out of interest XLR8?

[XLR8A]

What other analogues did you own out of interest XLR8?
Roland MC202, Moog Prodigy, Moog Rogue, Syncussion DRM1, Roland TR606,
Quasimidi Rave-o-lution 309 - (not so analogue as Oberheim Matrix6, Waldorf
Pulse and EMU Morpheus), Korg MonoPoly, Roland SH101 ofcourse, and lots
of guitar pedals from different manufacturers.
Some of this equipement i sold to my friends, so it still accessible to me when
i need something, and i had a collection of Akai samplers that includes S950,
S1000, S2000 and S3200XL (only S3200XL has left now).

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

What other analogues did you own out of interest XLR8?
Roland MC202, Moog Prodigy, Moog Rogue, Syncussion DRM1, Roland TR606,
Quasimidi Rave-o-lution 309 - (not so analogue as Oberheim Matrix6, Waldorf
Pulse and EMU Morpheus), Korg MonoPoly, Roland SH101 ofcourse, and lots
of guitar pedals from different manufacturers.
Some of this equipement i sold to my friends, so it still accessible to me when
i need something, and i had a collection of Akai samplers that includes S950,
S1000, S2000 and S3200XL (only S3200XL has left now).

In my opinion, selling the Korg Mono-Poly, Moog Prodigy and SH101 was a very big mistake. Now I can understand that if they were in shit condition and giving you problems....they needed to go....but if I were you I'd be wanting to find better examples of the. Seriously......they are shit hot analog synths. I cannot understand why you'd think they're shit.

DS

[jasedee]

I cannot understand why you'd think they're shit.
Heheheheee......We can always count on DS to lead us on an analogue attack ;)

[XLR8A]

First of all i'm a musician, not a collector of musical instruments.
I've sold those synths in a good working condition because i threated them
good enuff to keep them in this condition, and i don't think they shit or anything,
each one of those synths had his own character and personalality, but i decided
to get rid of them because they became useless for my needs.
When i bought them i didn't knew so much about sound, and after i learned
trough the years the secrets of sound engineering and studio tech - i found out that
there are better and easier ways to create the sounds that i hear in my mind,
and those synths started loosing their value trough the years, i wanted to move
forward with technology instead of staying behind with a bunch of collector
items in a museum. My studio is not a museum and it shouldn't be a museum.
Today i still work mostly in hardware environment, most of the hardware
i use is eq's and dynamic processors, but i think that in next few years
software will be good enuff to replace hardware completely, at least with synths.

I've seen lots of people with Mackie or Genelec monitors in standard square
rooms without any accoustic threatment, some of them have lots of vintage
synths and they claim that they sounds better than all new digital bullshit...
I've been there already, i have nothing to say to those people, because
when i was like that, i didn't listen to those who know.

Ofcourse analogue synths it's more fun, but in the end of a day - your music
is what's really important, not the kit list you used to create it.

[jasedee]

Easy Tiger!!!! ;)

We dont wanna have to send round The DS Massive, to take on The TLV Massive, as many synths maybe lost in the gunfire :)

J/K mate.....it's all love round here!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Take these responses with a pinch of salt....its just an opinion!

First of all i'm a musician, not a collector of musical instruments.

Glad to hear it. What kinda music do you like to make?

I've sold those synths in a good working condition because i threated them good enuff to keep them in this condition, and i don't think they shit or anything.

Its great to see that people are still taking care of these oldies. Hurray.....

Each one of those synths had his own character and personalality.

I agree. This is one of the reasons I sometimes bitch about modern synths.....for the fact that most (not all) lack sonic character. Im of the opinion that most old analog...even the crap sounding ones have more character than softsynths and most VA's.

I decided to get rid of them because they became useless for my needs.

Im interested to know in what way they became useless. Was the it the lack of onbaord effects lol. Sorry I just had to put that one in :lol: :oops: . But seriously.....what was the reason? Just curious....

When i bought them i didn't knew so much about sound.

Tut Tut :cry: such a contradiction lol. Most people own/use true analogs purely for the raw sound quality that digital synths cant posses. However, I must concede.....'analog sounds' arent for everyone.....digital synths are fine too. Oh dear.....ive contradicted myself now.....ok where even now hehe :oops: :wink: 8)

There are better and easier ways to create the sounds that i hear in my mind.

Being? For me, I find analog the best. FM/PD etc...whilst brilliant in their own right....are somewhat less intuitive for me.

Those synths started loosing their value trough the years, i wanted to move forward with technology instead of staying behind with a bunch of collector
items in a museum.

In what way do you think your moving forward? VA's are still using basic 'analog' type osc waveforms, filters and LFO's. These are the things that fundementally shape the sound and have been widely used since the early 60's. Granted you have more flexibility with todays gear.....but is this really new technology? FM and PD synthesis has been around since the early-mid 80's....I think additive synthesis has been around almost as long. Granular...not sure....but I dont think its particularly new.

My studio is not a museum and it shouldn't be a museum.

The worst thing you've said so far :lol: :oops: . I love having old synths around me....adds to the atmosphere of sound designing and jamming/music making. I like having some new stuff aswell.....particularly when the lights are off when i cant see it hehehee :twisted:

In next few years software will be good enuff to replace hardware completely, at least with synths.

With regards to VA.........possibly yes. In terms of true analog.....nope. Hardware provides a tangible experience that increases inpsiration.....I feel totally disconnected from the 'synth' when its in a computer environment. But thats just me.....there are alot of people who love softsynths.....particularly preset users. Its no fun programming on softsynths.

I've seen lots of people with Mackie or Genelec monitors in standard square rooms without any accoustic threatment, some of them have lots of vintage synths and they claim that they sounds better than all new digital bullshit...

Yep, im one of those people :P . But...I dont think digital sounds bullshit....well not now anyways....

I've been there already, i have nothing to say to those people, because when i was like that, i didn't listen to those who know.

You gotta trust your ears....I agree with that. Its just subjective opinions at the end of the day. Im interested to know what u mean by 'i didn't listen to those who know'....do you mean that you found their explanation more plausible?

Of course analogue synths it's more fun, but in the end of a day - your music is what's really important, not the kit list you used to create it.

Yes. However.....I find myself drawn to those who obviously make use of alot of true analogs and digital synths. No matter how good the song writing is...I find songs entirely made with softsynths etc to be utterly dull....particularly when played on high end hifi. BTW im not talking about Sony hi end...lol

Well Ive found this an invigorating experience....feel free to rip into my responses should you wish!

DS [/quote]

[Hollowcell]

your music
is what's really important, not the kit list you used to create it.

True for sure. Many people do have a status associated with gear - hense the crazy prices. But comming from the digital world into analogue, I must say I'm sort of opposite to you with what you think about the analogues.

I guess it comes down to the sounds you really want to create. I know some of the newest sounds I've created are the best I've ever created (for my taste) and could never have been made with-out my favourite bass synth of the moment (CS-10). It's all personal taste though isn't it.

I buy analogue synths for bass and bass only. I find I can fill the bass end up qucker and easier with a single voiced mono than with any of my other gear.

Like I said already though - it's all personal taste. :D

[Hollowcell]

Oops

[XLR8A]

DS, i don't want to get this deep into it cuz it's just too much for me...
From my experience the final sound that we hear in music is 50%
the sound source and 50% the processing, but i'm shure that when
you listen to music, you can't actually hear exactly what synth the sounds
was originally made with, if it's from analogue, digital or softsynth source,
good example is the difference between Albino softsynth and Access Virus.
One interesting thing that i noticed with softsynths is the difference in sound
on differend soundcards, with digital synths the difference is not so big cuz
it depends only on the analogue signal chain that it connected to, but soundcards
can add much more color to the sound than a hardware mixer can do.
Personally, i'm a sampler man, i like to capture a sound into sample and
manipulate it this way when i make music, i resample a lot, this is my way
of producing music.

Peace.

[XLR8A]

I would just like to say that you've all been a great big bunch of dickheads. Next time I need an answer to a question I'll go down my local music shop where people will just answer the FREAKIN QUESTION!
From my experience, it's always better to hear constructive bullshit from
bunch of experienced dickheads instead of talking with salesman at local
music shop... :wink:

Peace.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

DS, i don't want to get this deep into it cuz it's just too much for me...
From my experience the final sound that we hear in music is 50%
the sound source and 50% the processing, but i'm shure that when
you listen to music, you can't actually hear exactly what synth the sounds
was originally made with, if it's from analogue, digital or softsynth source,
good example is the difference between Albino softsynth and Access Virus.
One interesting thing that i noticed with softsynths is the difference in sound
on differend soundcards, with digital synths the difference is not so big cuz
it depends only on the analogue signal chain that it connected to, but soundcards
can add much more color to the sound than a hardware mixer can do.
Personally, i'm a sampler man, i like to capture a sound into sample and
manipulate it this way when i make music, i resample a lot, this is my way
of producing music.

Peace.

Thats cool......

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I would just like to say that you've all been a great big bunch of dickheads. Next time I need an answer to a question I'll go down my local music shop where people will just answer the FREAKIN QUESTION!
From my experience, it's always better to hear constructive bullshit from
bunch of experienced dickheads instead of talking with salesman at local
music shop... :wink:

Peace.

And that is spot on.....

DS

[Gopal]

Well, I am lucky enough to have honest and experienced producers that work at the local music shop and they don't get paid commission so they don't try to sell me shit I don't need, instead they simply answer my questions if they know the answer. Some things they don't have experience with cause here in New Zealand my Virus B is an extreme rarity let alone old analog classics like the SH101. I just got a bit pissed off in having to read through post after post of bullshit opinion of people that didn't even have experience. I think people on these forums in general tend to get a little 'headuparsed' when they should just cut the shit and answer the friggen question.

Any disagreements?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Well, I am lucky enough to have honest and experienced producers that work at the local music shop and they don't get paid commission so they don't try to sell me shit I don't need, instead they simply answer my questions if they know the answer. Some things they don't have experience with cause here in New Zealand my Virus B is an extreme rarity let alone old analog classics like the SH101. I just got a bit pissed off in having to read through post after post of bullshit opinion of people that didn't even have experience. I think people on these forums in general tend to get a little 'headuparsed' when they should just cut the shit and answer the friggen question.

Any disagreements?

And what....the people here arn't trying to be honest and helpful? Man you have a very real problem suggesting people have bullshit opinions......thats very rude. With this kinda attitude....people just wont even bother replying to your questions. I suggest you make a new account and start again....with a less shitty attitude.

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

If u look back to my first two posts....I give you an impression of what the SH101 is like + I even give you two addresses to contact in order for you to find this 'ultra rare mono'

Now if thats not helpful.....then perhaps you should go and piss against another tree.

DS

[3o3]

I am in a very bad mood today, i can't stand any shit. Behave or I'll edit all the post into a question and answers to "How to make love to an snail"

[jasedee]

I am in a very bad mood today, i can't stand any shit. Behave or I'll edit all the post into a question and answers to "How to make love to an snail"
Nice :)

In regards to the post.....If u dont like the responses on here, dont ask the questions. Simple really.

You should realise that this place is unique. And the people here are from all walks of life, with countless experience in all areas of synths, studios, etc...We are honest, easy going, friendly bunch. A great asset, and a great source of information. VIVA LA VIRUS FORUM!!!!!!!!!!!

P.S And u are welcome here! We wont judge you on your past words, otherwise I would be banished long ago hehehe....

[3o3]

We have answered your question Gopal; Let me quote you.

Thoughts, opinions welcome

Sure some post is off-topic yet we did post whatever we think about the SH101.

But hey, wait -> you maybe want an spec. on the SH101?

It's available in three different colors; Grey, Blue and Red.

VCO: 1 - independent levels for saw, square/pulse/pwm and sub-oscillator
LFO: triangle, square, random and noise waveform
Filter: resonant, self-oscillating LPF, mod by EG, lfo and kbd tracking
VCA: ADSR, mod by EG or gate
Seq: Digital sequencer up to 100 steps record/playback
Arp: Patterns contains up, down, up/down
32 keys
Since it's only CV/Gate, you'll need a midi to cv-converter or if you can build midi-into it. Which i am unsure of if it's available.

Since it's an analogue its sure is nice to tweak it since everything is right infront of you instead of many of the VA that hiddes alot of functions in sub-menu's.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The most important thing about the SH101....is not its features or portability.....its the sound. As far as 1 osc mono's go.....this kills. Its fundementally better sounding than the TB303.....

You really need to play with one for 30 mins to see what I mean...

DS

[XLR8A]

For those who have SH101.
How to make a 303 sound with it ?

Easy.

Like this:
LFO/CLK - 5
WAVE FORM - SQUARE OR TRI

[MODULATION]
MOD - 0
VCO RANGE - 16
PULSE WIDTH - 10 (MAIN)

[SOURCE MIXER]
PULSE - 0
TRI - 10
SUB OSC - 0
NOISE - 0

[VCF]
FREQ - 3.5 TO 4.5
RES - 5.5 TO 6.5
ENV - 6
MOD - 0
KYBD - 8 OR 10

VCA>GATE
ENV>GATE+TRIG

[ENV]
A - 0
D - 1
S - 0
R - 0

That's it, you have a TB sound in your SH, they both use almost same
circuit board in terms of oscillators, envelopes and very similar filters.
Now, if you want to get the TB "slide" effect also - just program a sequence
with the "hold" button on the notes that you want to slide and set "portamento"
to around 3.6, tweak to taste when playing your sequence.

There is a cool trick, try setting SUB OSC between 1 to 8 and VCO RANGE 8.
He he, another one, use VCF MOD slider when tweaking cutoff and resonance...


:wink:

[XLR8A]

Shit, man !
Here i found another paper with my old 101 settings,
it's called "BadAssBass", i remember taking this paper with me
to a gig, and i was playing this shit live with a dj set. Junglists love
this sound, it makes all the dancefloor go crazy and the bitches go horny!

Here:
LFO/CLK - 10
WAVE FORM - RANDOM

[MODULATION]
MOD - 0
VCO RANGE - 16
PULSE WIDTH - 0 (MAIN)

[SOURCE MIXER]
PULSE - 0
TRI - 10
SUB OSC - 0 (2OCT DOWN)
NOISE - 0

[VCF]
FREQ - 3.5
RES - 5
ENV - 5
MOD - 0
KYBD - 8

VCA>GATE
ENV>GATE

[ENV]
A - 6
D - 6
S - 0
R - 5

(TRANSPOSE>L)

8)

[Gopal]

Hey all, sorry to anyone who was offended :)

Thanks for that new info too DS and Xlr8 I didn't realise that they were that closely related to a TB303. I have spent lots of time with 303s and absolutely loved them, but I'm not prepared to pay the kind of money they are going for now, because, quite simply, I don't use that sound enough in the kind of music I write.

I've been doing alot of thinking about what to add to my set up next and I think 1 old school analog mono like the SH101 would be a very clever move.

Still can't find a blue one though :P

Its hard to find this sort of thing in this part of the world, and it seems the best examples come from Japan now, especially since no one of ebay uk is willing to ship internationally for some bizzarre reason.

[3o3]

I'd say that the blue SH101's is the most difficult to find acctually.

I've seen tons of grey/red go here in sweden but not a single blue one yet. - may just be the fact that those SH101 that where sold in sweden was mostly grey/red.

[Gopal]

Thats interesting, I think I read somewhere that there was a very limited run of white ones made as well.

Are TB303s easier to find in your part of the world?

[XLR8A]

One of my friends sold a white 101 for a good money 3 years ago,
$600 just because it's a rare color and was manufactured in Japan only.
Technically they all the same, and you can paint it in any color you wish :D

[3o3]

Gopal: Unfortnatly tb303 is quite tricky to find aswell - I'd say the best place to look for 303's in the U.S - or if you could make any sense out of german try the german ebay (and in germany you could always find quite cheap analogue gear aswell).

I can read some german, but some just becomes nonsense to me, but just some things that you could have in mind.

http://instrumente.ebay.de/
Versand nach = Sends to (or whatever you want to call it)
Deutchland = Germany, Weltweit = World-wide.

Be aware of sellers with low feedback thou, you don't wanna get ripped off!

XLR8A: Nice i didn't know that.

[Gopal]

Yeah, I've learnt my ebay lesson the hard way. I thought $500 USD was a good price to pay for a virus C a few months ago (long before anyone had any wind of the TI) and did a deal on ebay with a guy from Poland that went by the name of Andrei Krivtsikov. I lost $900 NZ dollars because of that f**kwit.

I don't really want a 303 that bad, well, I do but I know its just the GAS talking and I probably wouldn't use it much :P

[Merlot]

give future retro revolution a look. 303 like and a whole lot more.

http://www.future-retro.com/

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hey all, sorry to anyone who was offended :)

NO problem man, everyone snaps sometimes.....I do it to sometimes!

Ur welcome here......and differences of opinion is a good thing.....so plz carry on posting here ok!

Cu around

DS

[Gopal]

Thanks DS appreciate it.

And thanks Merlot. That thing looks mad! Finally a machine that attempts to replicate the tb303 sound and actually uses a 3 pole filter !!!

I want one bad. These things look very unique too, the whole sundial concept is very cool :)

Gotta control that GAS :P

[Merlot]

Gopal,
Check out the revolution group on yahoo. One of the users has posted a video of him using it and remixing on the fly Thing sounds nice.

[Gopal]

I'll check it out when I get a chance. I take it the 650 price tag is in USD? That would make it pretty awesome value. Its kinda like my SH32 in its features, but the sound is fully analog. I want one. I want one. I want one hehe

[Merlot]

I take it the 650 price tag is in USD?

Yup!! :)

[Gopal]

One hand is one the credit card, but the other is trying to stop it. Will the common sense that I can't afford one win? Or will the GAS be victorious? Only time will tell.



























Waited long enough.

Have pre ordered one :P

[Merlot]

check here if you haven't

www.novamusik.com

says it will ship in 4-7 days.

Also when you get it, post some mp3 of that MF!! :D

[Gopal]

I haven't got the cash to grab one right this second which is why I pre ordered one from the manufacturer. It will buy me a lil time to save the cash :)

Will post clips for all when the time comes

[Gopal]

The 777 might be a better choice anyway. Dunno how much use all those DSPs are for me.

Seem to be using all plug in effects these days, its so much cheaper and there are so many good ones out there now.

[Analog Warriors]

Seriously? And, the synths I use is Virus, which is definately not comparable to SH101.....not even the same league!!!

that's bullshit ... without one thing, they are not compareable ... the SH101 prdouces dark'n dirty basslines that viritual analog hardware owners can't even imagine, of course the 101 isn't that flexible like a Virus *lol* how could it be ? It's only monophonic with 2 VCOs with sub oscilator ... the only modulation source is one triggerable LFO - no you cant's compare them. But you should't talk about the SH101 like that - it's no DJ toy and it really has nothing to do with a groovebox. 101s where used in many famoust tracks in the 80's and are still a part in big studios.

i love my grey one ... and i would never give it away !

[Analog Warriors]

Seriously? And, the synths I use is Virus, which is definately not comparable to SH101.....not even the same league!!!

that's bullshit ... without one thing, they are not compareable ... the SH101 prdouces dark'n dirty basslines that viritual analog hardware owners can't even imagine, of course the 101 isn't that flexible like a Virus *lol* how could it be ? It's only monophonic with VCO with saw, square/pulse plus the sub oscilator ... the only modulation source is one triggerable LFO - no you cant's compare them. But you should't talk about the SH101 like that - it's no DJ toy and it really has nothing to do with a groovebox. 101s where used in many famoust tracks in the 80's and are still a part in big studios.

i love my grey one ... and i would never give it away !

[jasedee]

that's bullshit ... without one thing, they are not compareable ... the SH101 prdouces dark'n dirty basslines that viritual analog hardware owners can't even imagine, of course the 101 isn't that flexible like a Virus *lol* how could it be ? It's only monophonic with VCO with saw, square/pulse plus the sub oscilator ... the only modulation source is one triggerable LFO - no you cant's compare them. But you should't talk about the SH101 like that - it's no DJ toy and it really has nothing to do with a groovebox. 101s where used in many famoust tracks in the 80's and are still a part in big studios.
This whole thread was one big misunderstanding.....In fact I thought he was talking about the SH32. And at the same time I think I was just being a bit of a bitch.

[Analog Warriors]

well, i agree with that - i should have read the other pages of the threat, too !

the SH32 is a DJ toy and a groovebox :D

[Timo]

So, filters aside, why is it that VAs can't match the rawness and character of classic analogue synths, such as the SH101, TB303, JP8, etc.?

I know they can't (I wasn't suggesting they could), but why don't VA coders/programmers rectify this?

[Analog Warriors]

good question,

i think the main reason is the time ... the components build in the vintage instruments are old - and the way they are produced for shure is another than it's today ... modern producing technologies are so excellent and perfect - so they sound perfect. That can never match the rawness and character of old and for shure kind of worse produced components :wink:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

So, filters aside, why is it that VAs can't match the rawness and character of classic analogue synths, such as the SH101, TB303, JP8, etc.?

I know they can't (I wasn't suggesting they could), but why don't VA coders/programmers rectify this?

If VA programmers could.....then I guess they would. True analog components naturally vary, they all interconnect via voltages and because of this...they produce harmonic imperfections which we percieve as desirable (often described as rawness/warmth/presence etc). These imperfections just happen....they are not engineered that way. Now, with digital software....unless you 'program in' these kinda imperfections your going to get very acurate sounds. Hmmm im not sure im making sense. I think the code needed for filters and oscilators etc is very complex....and the time/resources to incur variations is not possible in software yet. Take the TAE of the Arturia synths.....thats a step in the right direction...however, when coders try to program in oscilators that drift, filters that dont track perfectly, 'dirty' virtual vca's and the like...there is still an audiable element of precision. The fact of the matter is....for randomness and rawness...analog components is where its at...and it will always be that way. My analogy of VA is....real time control of sample play back. Ah...i hear you scream...but the fact of the matter is...thats what it sounds like to my ears. Try listening to some real analog poly sounds. Listen to the way those sounds come out of the speakers and enter the listening space. You dont get that VA....and in my opinion will never get that froma digital instrument.

Hence the revival in analog synth manufacturing...

Its an interesting debate. Now, ive had jamming sessions with guitar players etc...and I always find analogs (such as the P5 and JP8..sorry to keep on about this) stand head to head better and in a more satisfying way than VA's do. I think when using VA's you have to be particularly careful with your decision(s) as to what other instruments you want to include. For instance P5 strings and bass go really well with heavy electric guitars......when I did this with the Virus....the Virus sounded like it was unable to breath. This is just my opinion....

DS

[Tomer=Trance]

but as music and technology evolves maybe (this might be hard for some) analog will not be needed anymore or atleast subatractive sounds will be less commonly used.

i think were spending too much time looking at the past insted of looking at the future and developing new methods of synthesis and sound manipulation.

what do you guys think?

[Timo]

but as music and technology evolves maybe (this might be hard for some) analog will not be needed anymore or atleast subatractive sounds will be less commonly used.

i think were spending too much time looking at the past insted of looking at the future and developing new methods of synthesis and sound manipulation.

what do you guys think?

Often to get further into the future, you need to understand the past...

Where advances in computing DSP are brought into play, the gap between real analogue and hardware-emulation is going to get narrower and narrower. Look at MiniMonsta, for eg.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

but as music and technology evolves maybe (this might be hard for some) analog will not be needed anymore or atleast subatractive sounds will be less commonly used.

i think were spending too much time looking at the past insted of looking at the future and developing new methods of synthesis and sound manipulation.

what do you guys think?

Im all for people developing new forms of synthesis. But new is not always better in terms of sound. There is a reason why most people enjoy traditional, warm analog sounds.....it just sounds good. How many enjoy cold, thin and aliasing sounds from hell? Hence the Casio cz synths were never that popular. There is a fine line between using new gear that sounds great in its own right....and using older gear to make up for the characteristics missing.

I think the reality is....people who've spent alot of time using real analogs have difficulty moving over to VA (not so much FM synths or wavetables). VA will run its course one day.....how many VA's do we need? How about VA's which come with routable analog filters (which allow for 8 voice poly)? That would be a welcome change.....but its kinda been done already (ESQ-1).

I dont know what the answer is

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

At the moment we have:

Analog subtractive
Granular
Physical modelling
FM
PD
Additive
VA
Sample based
Wavetable
Neuronal bollox

etc etc....

What else is there to do? What they can do is improve these already established concepts....but more to the point...I think people need to approach synths ina different way.

I think people in electronic music use waayyyy to much synth and it all becomes a bit cliched and boring. I think alot of the music which has a couple of synth parts and acoustic stuff is far more interesting. But a wall of softsynth makes for very dull listening IMHO.

So SCREAM's advice is.....dont use too much synth...but the synths u do use....make it count in large amounts (oh i do love DM)

DS

[Analog Warriors]

the future will show ...


they produce harmonic imperfections which we percieve as desirable (often described as rawness/warmth/presence etc)

thx DS that's exactly what i was trying to say - but my english is not that good :roll:

[Tomer=Trance]

At the moment we have:
PD
Neuronal bollox



what are this two? never heard of this...

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

PD = Phase Distortion (e.g. Casio CZ3000). You wonder where all those 80's computer game sounds came from? Well alot of them were from this synth....esp the gongs and lo-fi wind fx.

Neuronal Bollox = Hartman Neuron synth. Dont know much about this....but to me, it seems overly complicated and sounds aot like a VA with crazy fx stuck on it. If I wanted something complex....Id take a DX7 anyday.

DS