Virus C's OS update idea.

[Hollowcell]

Well, as the main reason for not incuding the new OSCs as an OS update for the C-series is RAM (I think), I have come up with an idea to remedy the problem.

Get rid of the vocoda section to make way for the new OSCs. You can give people the choice if you like. They can keep OS 6.5 if they want to use the vocoda, or update to 6.6 for the new OSCs.

What do you think Access? Will getting rid of the vocoda free enough RAM?

[Merlot]

Good idea, but dont think it will happen. Access wont be able to justify charging an arm and a leg for more voices, software, and a new hardware look.
Now, they might consider it maybe as an upgrade. In other words charging extra for the OS update. WHo knows, just MO.

late

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Can oscilators be upgraded via OS updates? Interesting.....

DS

[hatembr]

hmmmmmm nice idea, i've never used the vocoder of my C since i bought it 3 years ago! so i'd really get rid of it if it would leave its place for new osc waveforms or polyphony!... the hypersaw for example would be great :D ... more polyphony would be a gift from access too, one could combine the 3rd osc and unison more freely without caring avout voices...

[Merlot]

Can oscilators be upgraded via OS updates? Interesting.....

DS

Dont know for sure, but I would assume so snice it is all code on a dsp chip. If they can add new filters, i would think they could add new osc's.
Again, I am talking out of my a$$, so who knows.

[Hollowcell]

I remember reading somewhere on this forum a post written by Marc (Access employee), stating that originaly they spoke about upgrading the C with new OSCs, but it was a RAM issue. I'll try to find the post to make sure I'm not mis-quoting or somthing though.

Be right back.

EDIT: Found it.

because as with new osc waves which were brought up as a possible update before it requires memory which does not exist in the C series.

best, marc

So how about it Access? Get rid of the Vocoda to make space for the new OSCs? Please.

[diskonext]

And give us an (offline) editing tool for the waveforms? That would rule supreme ;)

-diskonext

[wildbill]

if given the choice, i'd take a programmable additive oscillator over either a wavetable or a supersaw.

[Hollowcell]

Basicly I'd take anything over that Vocoda. C'mon wavetable!

Access, before our wish list increases any more - is it possible to get rid of the Vocoda to make space for new OSCs?

[hatembr]

there is a live chat on the access website, why don't we ue it ?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I know this will be a bit irratating......but I have a feeling Access have made an effort to make the TI a noticeble departure from previous versions of the virus (Esp the 2 new osc types). I dont think it makes sense for Access to blur the lines between the C model and the TI range by allowing the C model to have new osc types. If Access did this....I would then look at the TI in a different light and almost certainly couldnt justify buying it.

I think the most realistic OS update existing C owners could hope for would be an additional filter type and perhaps some modifications to the effects section (i.e. more distortion types etc).

Thats just my opinion....what do you all think?

DS

[hatembr]

ok i agree with u in a certain way, so let's hope for seperate delay/reverb for each part ;) instead of the vocoder!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Sounds good

DS

[AjmaGard]

ok i agree with u in a certain way, so let's hope for seperate delay/reverb for each part ;) instead of the vocoder!

Yes Please! :)

[Hollowcell]

ok i agree with u in a certain way, so let's hope for seperate delay/reverb for each part ;) instead of the vocoder!

I'm pretty sure this would come down to DSP power, not RAM.

Anyway, I don't see why they shouldn't blur the lines between them a little. They did with all the other models.

Basicly the TI is TI - Total Intergration. The idea behind the TI can never be moved into the C series. The voices and FX per part can also never be moved into the C. Moving the OSCs only would not stop the sales of the TI in my opinion. It has too many other things going for it.

If people are selling their Cs for very little money to upgrade to the TI, just because of the new OSCs, then I think they are making a big mistake. If I was going to sell up, it would be for the fact that the TI is true multi-timbral with FX per part, heaps of voices, possible updates will be amazing with sort of power and the fact it can be used as a nice quality audio device (saves buying a second soundcard, or a card with more outputs).

C'mon Access. Do an update for the C. Please.....

[Timo]

I think it's a great idea Hollowcell! Hope you succeed in your quest, if it's possible. Keep it up.

[Hollowcell]

Thanks Timo.

I think because Marc mentioned that it was originally on the drawing board, I think it should be done.

Get rid of the Vocoda! Who's with me?

[soulidstate]

Do you think access will invest in coming up with updates for the C given that it's already a discontinued product? In a business point of view I don't think they will. I think they'll keep their eyes on the Classic and TI instead...Unless Access thinks differently.

[Hollowcell]

Do you think access will invest in coming up with updates for the C given that it's already a discontinued product? In a business point of view I don't think they will. I think they'll keep their eyes on the Classic and TI instead...Unless Access thinks differently.

The B series was upgraded long after it was discontinued, so I'm pretty sure there will be something in store for the C. And to quote Marc again (Access employee):
"because as with new osc waves which were brought up as a possible update before it requires memory which does not exist in the C series.

best, marc"

This was written after the release of the TI. So fingers crossed all you C users.

[blay]

i think this is a great idea HC.
i doubt access will provide an update like this for a little while yet - as it would detract from the interest in the new series :roll:
i know a few people that would be very interested in this update, so good luck mate :D

[Hollowcell]

That's a good point Blay and honestly I feel like bit of an arse pushing for it when I know how busy they are at the moment. Just need to stir an interest, in the hope it may become reality. :D

[blay]

That's a good point Blay and honestly I feel like bit of an arse pushing for it when I know how busy they are at the moment. Just need to stir an interest, in the hope it may become reality. :D

i think this is a great thread you have started HC - and access should seriously consider your suggestions regardless of how busy they are with a new series.... this is a support issue for the current line (until the new products are released) and should be considered accordingly.

I suggest to Juho that we make this thread sticky, as this is an issue of great importance to all current owners of the c series.

[Juho L]

I suggest to Juho that we make this thread sticky, as this is an issue of great importance to all current owners of the c series.

Nah. Access people read the forum quite frequently so no need to make this sticky.

[mcoyote]

...I suggest to Juho that we make this thread sticky, as this is an issue of great importance to all current owners of the c series.

Well yeah, but, there's like two of them (C owners) left, right (me being one of them)? All the rest are on eBay.

[blay]

yeah youre right - dont worry about it - who gives a shit about those shitty c's anyway - old news really

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Im not going to be popular around here with my opinion on this issue....but I'll reiterate myself (I'm not in any way dissing what HC's saying....but I'd just like to share my thoughts).

I dont think it would be a wise move for Access to start dropping in USP's of the TI range just to keep existing C owners happy. For one, Virus C owners should already be happy with what they've got (Now, I appreciate this is a little hypocritical...as I did have a few issues with the KC myself lol).

Secondly, I believe Access need to try and maintain the distinction between the Ti and all others that have gone before. In my opinion the TI 61 keyboard looks a little like a beefed up Virus KC as it is (Im not absolutely comfortable with this...but hey what do I know lol :lol: ). To then give the Virus C new oscilators....would, for me, really confirm my worst fears......Virus D anyone? Virus E? Virus F?......

Thirdly, people who splash out ?1500 are going to want a synth that is the dogs bollox......why deny new customers that privilage? They may as well buy-up all those 'cheap' Virus C's on Ebay!

Im not too bothered about simultaneous delay/reverb (its nice its got it....but by no means the end of the world if existing virus' dont). If Access do stick the new oscilators on the C....then I'll do myself a favour and save ?600 and buy a used Virus KC......but thats a trend I dotn think Access will want to see.

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Do you think access will invest in coming up with updates for the C given that it's already a discontinued product? In a business point of view I don't think they will. I think they'll keep their eyes on the Classic and TI instead...Unless Access thinks differently.

I think Access will probably release a new OS for the Virus C range sometime next year. I think realistically you maybe able to get more distortion types.....maybe just maybe a new filter. But we'll have to see. Personally, I wouldnt hold it against Access if they didnt. The Virus C has already had a couple of major updates.

Also bear in mind.....its unhealthy to buy a synth on the premise of constant updates. Buy a Prophet 5 and ask Dave Smith to update the lousy software in it...its buggy hehehe (hmm sarcasim....the lowest form of humour).

DS :wink: :lol: 8)

[ten]

Give em something to keep them happy and shut them up for a bit i say ;)

Even if they got new oscs, look what the ti has...

80 poly (not affected by hypersaw and other pish the virus c was)
hypersaw
individual verb/delay
usb integration and TI software for vsti control!!
3 soft knobs!!!
A FLASHY LIGHT THING THAT GLOWS UP WHEN YOU PLAY DAG NAM IT!!!!

ahem....there is a few things they will miss out on :) even tho i would of sold my c as soon as the ti was announced.

ten

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Yes but TEN....the hypersaw is a new oscilator....if the Virus c has hypersaw and wavetable as well....the 'new' Ti specs dont really look that spectacular. The new osc's are pretty fundemental in my opinion.

DS

[tek_]

I'll keep my C for what its worth, selling this synth for 500 euro's ,I just could not live with that and would be stupid even for 1000 i wont sell it, but thats my opinion, If i had money to buy the TI and still have the C, I'd rather spend 500 extra on a moog voyager instaid, but to upgrade from a C, nah..

8) /peace

[Hollowcell]

Ti specs dont really look that spectacular. The new osc's are pretty fundemental in my opinion.

DS

Are you nuts DS? The TI specs are bloody great! The OSCs are a small part when looking at the whole. I think anyone using their Cs to the limit would agree with me here.

For one, Virus C owners should already be happy with what they've got (Now, I appreciate this is a little hypocritical...as I did have a few issues with the KC myself lol).

I'm very happy with the C (don't get me wrong), but when buying Access products, people do expect something with the updates. It's one of the reasons people do infact buy the Virus.

I don't think people are demanding an update angrily on this thread at all. People are just making sugestions.

Thirdly, people who splash out ?1500 are going to want a synth that is the dogs bollox......why deny new customers that privilage? They may as well buy-up all those 'cheap' Virus C's on Ebay!

Oh, so this is where it's coming from DS. It's a "my dad is tougher than your dad" issue. You want that synth status hey? Hehehe.

Give em something to keep them happy and shut them up for a bit i say

Hehehe. I agree! Having the new OSCs over the Vocoda would shut me up good 'n' propa. :D

Well yeah, but, there's like two of them (C owners) left, right (me being one of them)? All the rest are on eBay.

Strangely enough though, once they get on Ebay they usually go onto new owners and not simply just disapear! 8O Amazing I know. Hehehe.

Nah. Access people read the forum quite frequently so no need to make this sticky.

Yep agree.

yeah youre right - dont worry about it - who gives a shit about those shitty c's anyway - old news really

Hey, I do. :cry: :wink:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Am I nuts?..........I think I probably am lol :lol:

But just going back to the osc issue. This is were we differ in opinion greatly. I view the new oscilator types as fundementally important for the new product. The new osc types directly affect the machines synthesis capabilities.....the total intergration bit is peripheral as far as im concerned (Its great to have it.....but lets face it....we didnt have this back in the 70's or 80's and music was still made using synths). Dont get me wrong....its a very nice addition....but its very unlikely I'll ever use it because I dont work in that way.

Anyways....I always evaluate a new synth in terms of new sound designing possibilities......not flashy features. If the Virus C gets the osc upgrade....ill just buy the C again and save my money for better another analog. Or perhaps I'll just bypass the TI altogether and get an analog poly. Before I part with my money for the TI....I need to hear some MP3's, and I need to find out whether Access have any intentions of updating the C version along the lines some of you have already suggested.

Ok, my rant is over (Ive had a shit day)

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Oh, so this is where it's coming from DS. It's a "my dad is tougher than your dad" issue. You want that synth status hey? Hehehe.

Theres probably an element of truth in that..... im still at that slightly impressionable age of 25. Owning old classic analog synths sends you on a slight ego trip. Its good that expensive modern gear gives the same kinda buzz. The day it stops making you feel good will be a sad one :wink:

DS

[Wandering Kid]

the total intergration bit is peripheral as far as im concerned (Its great to have it.....but lets face it....we didnt have this back in the 70's or 80's and music was still made using synths).

you are right, but the convenience of this integration i feel is so fundamentally important to writing a good song. the best songs i write are the ones where im in the zone - where i just bosh it up in an hour and capitalise on this momentum. the more natural it feels, the quicker you can get an idea into a track and thats priceless as far as im concerned. too often i let a an idea fade or i start well but lose momentum, get hung up on something that takes too long for me to get it the way i sound it. all the time and frustration you save here can be plowed into improving some other aspect of your work. sure lab4 made do without this feature. but dance music has changed and evolved alot since they put out evilution and its only been 2 years! i wouldnt pass up any feature if it makes writing music just that little bit less frustrating.

way back when DJs beatmatched songs on turntables using their ears and the pitch control. so when cd decks came out alot of people dismissed some of the features that came with them. automatic key matching, midi syncing etc.

those features dont just save the effort of having to beatmatch a song - they allow the DJ to focus on something else. a DJ is an entertainer - thats why i see some psy DJs now moving into beatmixing video in with their songs - all the time they save on stage with key locking can be better spent elsewhere, doing something else. priceless feature.

[blay]

yeah i modded my sl1200s with beat sync
people generally prefer to watch me playing with my nipples than actually mixing :wink:
a good dj incorporates many elements while keeping things in time :D

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

the total intergration bit is peripheral as far as im concerned (Its great to have it.....but lets face it....we didnt have this back in the 70's or 80's and music was still made using synths).

you are right, but the convenience of this integration i feel is so fundamentally important to writing a good song. the best songs i write are the ones where im in the zone - where i just bosh it up in an hour and capitalise on this momentum. the more natural it feels, the quicker you can get an idea into a track and thats priceless as far as im concerned. too often i let a an idea fade or i start well but lose momentum, get hung up on something that takes too long for me to get it the way i sound it. all the time and frustration you save here can be plowed into improving some other aspect of your work. sure lab4 made do without this feature. but dance music has changed and evolved alot since they put out evilution and its only been 2 years! i wouldnt pass up any feature if it makes writing music just that little bit less frustrating.

way back when DJs beatmatched songs on turntables using their ears and the pitch control. so when cd decks came out alot of people dismissed some of the features that came with them. automatic key matching, midi syncing etc.

those features dont just save the effort of having to beatmatch a song - they allow the DJ to focus on something else. a DJ is an entertainer - thats why i see some psy DJs now moving into beatmixing video in with their songs - all the time they save on stage with key locking can be better spent elsewhere, doing something else. priceless feature.

Well when you put it that way, I see your point!

DS

[Hollowcell]

Honestly, I wouldn't be using the plug-in VST intergration at first I don't think, but it's the sheer power of the TI which makes me envy the people that have them on order (even if they do look girly - hehe). It's a beast and that's got nothing to do with the OSC types.

Anyway, just to keep this thread on track. Please Access, new OSCs for the C instead of the Vocoda.

[Hollowcell]

*Bump*

Chant the following (in a religious monk kind of way) to visualize it as reality;

New OSCs for the C series instead of the Vocoda.
New OSCs for the C series instead of the Vocoda.

[tranzash]

HC, which one you looking for hypersaw or Wavetables?

[blay]

*Bump*

he didnt want to make this thread sticky but we have to put up with HC's jibberish messages anyway while he attempts to keep this thread current :wink:

im pro-vocoda myself :lol:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

HC, which one you looking for hypersaw or Wavetables?

Both of course! lol

Well at the end of the day......HC you may be right. Few people use the Virus Vocoder.......so in light of that.....it is a kinda wasted resource....particularly when you could have new osc in its place (alot more useful!).

Ah it pains me a little to say this.....but if I was still a Virus KC owner....I'd feel how you do. At the end of the day hypersaw and wavetable will be good for C owners........purely because I would then have a wider audience for my 80's style synth sounds lol.

I think its quite realistic the C will undergo one last major OS update......and I feel that this could be it.

Seriously....if all you C owners want the new OSC instead of the vocoder.....you should start mailing on the Access list.

DS

[Hollowcell]

*Bump*

he didnt want to make this thread sticky but we have to put up with HC's jibberish messages anyway while he attempts to keep this thread current :wink:

im pro-vocoda myself :lol:

What jibberish?! I only write important, on the edge of your seat sentences.

So pro-vocoda hey? Sounds like you haven't used the Virus vocoda yet I'm guessing. :wink:

HC, which one you looking for hypersaw or Wavetables?

Both would be nice, but if I had to choose, I'd choose the Wavetable. This may be the wrong answer though, as I guess Wavetable will take up much more ram - just guessing though.

Seriously....if all you C owners want the new OSC instead of the vocoder.....you should start mailing on the Access list.

I think someone from Access would be keeping an eye on this thread. Specially if more people add to it (or I keep bumping it :wink: ).

[hatembr]

well, now they may be on vacations for christmas and the new year.... we have to wait a little before they answer ;)

[Hollowcell]

It doesn't worry me if they don't answer the thread. The best answer we could receive is; they put up a new C series OS on the Access web-site containing the new OSCs :D .

[jasedee]

Ok.....here's another vote for any kind of new OSC

Just as long as they get rid of the vocoda.....Goddamm it is next to useless!!!! I think I tried it once, and got about 4 minutes of joy, before banishing it to digital hell....

C'mon Access......Hook us up! Not all of us can afford Ti's :(

[blay]

i think maybe the vocoda is a little underestimated
you can get some great textures with drum sounds through it...

[Hollowcell]

The vocoda isn't really underestimated Blay. It just isn't that good. I have 3 other vocodas in my setup and all of them I'd use over the VC. Just the way it is.

Maybe on the TI it will be different though - the power of the TI may make it possible to use the whole synth engine when vocoding and also give the option for more bands. We will have to wait and see.

I wouldn't say the vocoda is completely useless, but I will say I'd much rather new OSCs than the vocoda anyday. Most people using a VC would say the same I rekon.

[gregorin]

Hey,regards to all,
As possible and future update OS of Virus C, i would be very happy with a programming arpeggiator. 8)
it will do more powerful and control about great Virus sound. :wink:

[blay]

welcome to the forum :D

perhaps some vc owners would like some ti stickers with the update :lol: :wink:

[Hollowcell]

Hey,regards to all,
As possible and future update OS of Virus C, i would be very happy with a programming arpeggiator. 8)
it will do more powerful and control about great Virus sound. :wink:

Mmm, programmable appeg. hey? Na, doesn't appeal to me a great deal. I can see the benifit of having a programmable appegiator, but I can definitely see more benifit in having some new OSCs. :wink:

Welcome to the forum though gregorin! :D You aren't from Germany by any chance?

[gregorin]

Very thanks to blay and hollowcell :D
great synth,great people in the forum too
new oscillators will be nothing bad in the Virus C,for request... ,i join it. :wink:
I'm from Spain.

[markorbit]

Access have done a great job improving the C and I don't think anybody could complain if they now turned resources fully to the TI. They must have some ideas already of what the TI is capable of beyond its initial OS which looks pretty impressive to start with.

If they can fit in a C update great, if not...

Personally I'd like to see a step sequencer, I would think that they've done some of the groundwork here with the new programmable arp.

Otherwise more filters/oscillators would be great. Can't get enough of those.

[ten]

Im all for them updating the C again, and even the classic etc, but I would want the TI shipped, software working PERFECTLY with all the bugs and shit ironed out before they even thought about doing an update for thier discountinued products.

ten

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

We really are heading towards a true synth workstation here. I expect the Virus|Ti 2 will allow people to sample in other synth waveforms and combine it to some kinda 8 ladder moog filter. What do you think?

Jesus lol

DS

[Hollowcell]

We really are heading towards a true synth workstation here. I expect the Virus|Ti 2 will allow people to sample in other synth waveforms and combine it to some kinda 8 ladder moog filter. What do you think?

Jesus lol

DS

Should probably wait for the TI before talking about the TI2. Hehhehe.

Access have done a great job improving the C and I don't think anybody could complain if they now turned resources fully to the TI.

I for one wouldn't be complaining if they don't update the C, but I might shed a tear or 2 in the privacy of my studio. :wink: The people who have bought a C just weeks before the marketing release of the TI probably will complain though.

Im all for them updating the C again, and even the classic etc, but I would want the TI shipped, software working PERFECTLY with all the bugs and shit ironed out before they even thought about doing an update for thier discountinued products.

This is a big ask Ten. I really hope they manage it though.

Anyway, just so this doesn't get too off topic.....

I'm not really into a programmable arp, so new OSCs for the C series please. :D