New Korg NAMM teaser!!!!!!

[Merlot]

Check this out. It looks like the rumors were true about access trying to beat them to the punch. It looks like it has a flip up LCD, but I cant tell of the quick shot.

http://www.korg.co.jp/Open/

[Merlot]

Looking at it again, do you think it is a new version of the Triton? I hope not!

[ten]

Looks cack whatever it is......someone needs to increase the brightness aswell :lol:

ten

[3o3]

Hope not a new Triton; or if they make it better than the Fantom + _alot_ cheaper then i would be pretty intrested in that machine

[Tomer=Trance]

sounds like its a z1 second generation.

hey look the clock on the korg web site is going backwards
looks like its 16 days to go.

[Juho L]

hey look the clock on the korg web site is going backwards
looks like its 16 days to go.

Something about January 20th on Korg site.

I believe that it will be like Virus TI, but it really can't rival with quality with TI. I think it would be better for Korg to release Triton Extreme based workstation with that integration system isntead of average-at-best VA.

[Merlot]

see this thread for pics and rumors over at KVR

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=894510

[Merlot]

did you see the rumored price point? $7k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8O 8O 8O 8O
What home studio owner in their right mind would pay that. You know how much other gear you could buy for that $$$$

[Juho L]

see this thread for pics and rumors over at KVR

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=894510

It indeed is huge! It has to be a sample workstation...

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

In this day and age......$7000 for a digital instrument? Doesnt look like the analog oscilaotrs are true after all.

My bet is that the guys at Access came up with the figure of $7000 hehehehe.....

DS :wink:

[Juho L]

did you see the rumored price point? $7k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8O 8O 8O 8O

WHAT?!

Ok. Korg is in bankrupt. Old Tritons won't sell, Triton Extreme is mostly crap and a new super product that has so high price that only two units will be bought.

[Tomer=Trance]

who knows they could have been working on this one for over 3 years and it might offer some outstanding features like granular,sampling workstation with a large hd,advence synthesis like tons of digital clasic oscilators,additive synthesis,vector synthesis,pysical modeling,multiplay evelopes,tons of fx,full modular stracture with an onboard computer with advence sequencer and few preamps,eq and dynamic tools. this would mean its the ultimate tool for production and you wont need anything alse other then monitors connected to this to product.

so...
it could be something revolutionary!

or......
and it might be just fat VA crap of thing which they are asking 6 times more money then they should. :D

remember the original price of the alesis a6-5500 euro and the neutron-6500 euro.

[Juho L]

or......
and it might be just fat VA crap of thing which they are asking 6 times more money then they should.

Probably somthing like this. I guess a mix of VA and sampler workstation. It's a good idea but hte price is just high and the quality just doesn't quite hit it.

[3o3]

If that thing cost $7k i wonder how long Korg will survive. Insane!

[Juho L]

If that thing cost $7k i wonder how long Korg will survive. Insane!

I've been expecting Korg to go bankrupt since the competition at workstation area really got going about year or two back. Korg really didn't do anything to improve it's products. It seems like Korg has been really callous in a "Nah, why to improve. We have a good name from Tritons in late 90's" style. Triton Extreme can barely keep up in the competition and the prices are higher than the alternatives. Korg needs huge change or it'll be in bankrupt.

[3o3]

We'll just sit back and watch then. hehe

[AlexHall74]

OK, Check this out.

The most expensive synth on www.musiciansfriend.com at this time is:

Sale Price: $5,455.00

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=key/s=synths/search/detail/base_pid/703223/

OpenSynth neKo 64 Dual 1.4GHz Opteron 61-Key Workstation

The ad touts:

A powerhouse open-architecture synth/virtual studio that will never become obsolete!

Tired of having to replace your keyboard workstation every few years? Fed up with latency and sync problems with your synth controller and computer? Want to update your sounds to the hippest, freshest sounds available, but frustrated by dealing with one manufacturer? Then neKo is for you. Think of it as a complete portable studio that offers self-contained recording, editing, and mastering.

It pulls together the functions of a Digital Audio Workstation, MIDI controller, multiple control surfaces, and a 61-key semi-weighted keyboard into one unit that offers an array of I/O options. The all-in-one design eliminates the clutter and confusion of traditional desktop computer systems so you can focus on what really matters . . . the music.

The neKo utilizes industry standard micro-ATX motherboards, processors, and hard drives that allow you to run standard operating systems and use standard PC-compatible hardware. It can accommodate the fastest processors available, and more RAM and storage than any other music workstation. Which means when you want more power, more memory, or more storage--you get it. It also gives you near-zero latency even under high processor loads. Already have a few PCI cards (like from Creamware or Digidesign) you'd like to keep using? No problem. The neKo accepts full-size PCI cards. And unlike traditional computers that take minutes to start up, neKo utilizes a unique boot process that allows it to start in seconds.

Instead of a bunch of preloaded proprietary sounds, neKo can host the industry standard VSTi software synthesizers, samplers, and audio processing plug-ins of your choice. It can run any plug-in or application designed for the Windows XP operating system including products from Steinberg, Native Instruments, Synapse Audio, IK Multimedia, and many others. Plus an Ethernet port allows you direct access to the Internet, to quickly and easily download upgrades, sounds, and applications. A custom-built, user-friendly interface enables you to change settings and access programs quickly, easily, and effectively. A bank of interchangeable control modules provide a physical interface for easier control of software instruments and are designed to support virtually any future control options.

It includes a special audio-optimized version of Microsoft Windows XP Professional, a 15" LCD monitor, dual 1.4GHz 64-bit AMD Opteron processors, multiple audio control surfaces, integrated computer keyboard, 2-button trackpad, 61-key, semi-weighted, synth-action board, pitch and mod wheels, 512MB RAM (expandable to 8GB), 80GB, 7200rpm hard drive, a high-performance audio I/O card with extremely low latency, a high-speed CDRW drive, and an assignable footswitch. You also have access to a headphone jack with volume control, 4 drive bays (2 x 3.5", 1 x 5.25" CDRW, 1 x 5.25" removable, hot-swappable 3.5" HD), 4 USB ports, a 10/100T Ethernet port, and 2 open full-length PCI slots.

10 in/10 out high-performance audio I/O supports 24-bit/96kHz digital audio and includes MIDI In/Thru/Out, S/PDIF, 1/4", Word Clock, and XLR mic inputs with preamps.

My point is that if the new Korg Tragedy costs $2,300 more than this beast, it should also provide this much functionlaity + $2,300 more, right?

That's gonna' be hard to do...

I think someone at Kord R&D is smoking crack!

Has anyone used one of these Opteron mothers????

-AlexHall74

[mcoyote]

Nobody outside of Korg has any idea home much this thing will cost, what it actually does, etc. Vendors were listing and taking pre-orders on the TI months prior to release (you have yours, right? mine's pretty cool), so it's anybody's guess when this thing really sees the light of day.

For example, there is no pure analog or hybrid design out there with any kind of polyphony for less that about $3k US, save the Dave Smith Poly Evolver, and that almost doesn't count (it sounds mighty cool, no doubt). Yet Moog has the stones to sell their mono thingy for over $3k US.

If this thing actually has a pile of analog or analog/digital oscillators with a lot of polyphony, parallel effects, etc., it would be pretty expensive. There is still only so much you can do between 20hz and 20khz that anyone wouldn't rather do on a PC (e.g., sequencing), however.

[Timo]

did you see the rumored price point? $7k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 8O 8O 8O 8O

WHAT?!

Ok. Korg is in bankrupt. Old Tritons won't sell, Triton Extreme is mostly crap and a new super product that has so high price that only two units will be bought.

The Tritons (bar the Triton Extreme) have all been discontinued, so it looks like this new keyboard is a workstation replacement of the Triton line.

http://www.korg.co.uk/products/discontinued/discontinued.asp

[Edit: - This has since been found NOT to be the case - All Tritons (except Triton Classic, which was replaced by the Extreme) will remain in production for some time to come].

[Tomer=Trance]

OK, Check this out.

The most expensive synth on www.musiciansfriend.com at this time is:

Sale Price: $5,455.00

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/g=key/s=synths/search/detail/base_pid/703223/

OpenSynth neKo 64 Dual 1.4GHz Opteron 61-Key Workstation

The ad touts:

A powerhouse open-architecture synth/virtual studio that will never become obsolete!

Tired of having to replace your keyboard workstation every few years? Fed up with latency and sync problems with your synth controller and computer? Want to update your sounds to the hippest, freshest sounds available, but frustrated by dealing with one manufacturer? Then neKo is for you. Think of it as a complete portable studio that offers self-contained recording, editing, and mastering.

It pulls together the functions of a Digital Audio Workstation, MIDI controller, multiple control surfaces, and a 61-key semi-weighted keyboard into one unit that offers an array of I/O options. The all-in-one design eliminates the clutter and confusion of traditional desktop computer systems so you can focus on what really matters . . . the music.

The neKo utilizes industry standard micro-ATX motherboards, processors, and hard drives that allow you to run standard operating systems and use standard PC-compatible hardware. It can accommodate the fastest processors available, and more RAM and storage than any other music workstation. Which means when you want more power, more memory, or more storage--you get it. It also gives you near-zero latency even under high processor loads. Already have a few PCI cards (like from Creamware or Digidesign) you'd like to keep using? No problem. The neKo accepts full-size PCI cards. And unlike traditional computers that take minutes to start up, neKo utilizes a unique boot process that allows it to start in seconds.

Instead of a bunch of preloaded proprietary sounds, neKo can host the industry standard VSTi software synthesizers, samplers, and audio processing plug-ins of your choice. It can run any plug-in or application designed for the Windows XP operating system including products from Steinberg, Native Instruments, Synapse Audio, IK Multimedia, and many others. Plus an Ethernet port allows you direct access to the Internet, to quickly and easily download upgrades, sounds, and applications. A custom-built, user-friendly interface enables you to change settings and access programs quickly, easily, and effectively. A bank of interchangeable control modules provide a physical interface for easier control of software instruments and are designed to support virtually any future control options.

It includes a special audio-optimized version of Microsoft Windows XP Professional, a 15" LCD monitor, dual 1.4GHz 64-bit AMD Opteron processors, multiple audio control surfaces, integrated computer keyboard, 2-button trackpad, 61-key, semi-weighted, synth-action board, pitch and mod wheels, 512MB RAM (expandable to 8GB), 80GB, 7200rpm hard drive, a high-performance audio I/O card with extremely low latency, a high-speed CDRW drive, and an assignable footswitch. You also have access to a headphone jack with volume control, 4 drive bays (2 x 3.5", 1 x 5.25" CDRW, 1 x 5.25" removable, hot-swappable 3.5" HD), 4 USB ports, a 10/100T Ethernet port, and 2 open full-length PCI slots.

10 in/10 out high-performance audio I/O supports 24-bit/96kHz digital audio and includes MIDI In/Thru/Out, S/PDIF, 1/4", Word Clock, and XLR mic inputs with preamps.

My point is that if the new Korg Tragedy costs $2,300 more than this beast, it should also provide this much functionlaity + $2,300 more, right?

That's gonna' be hard to do...

I think someone at Kord R&D is smoking crack!

Has anyone used one of these Opteron mothers????

-AlexHall74

this is not a synth its a pc computer with buildin keyboard,audio interface and screen and its rather portable
i wouldnt buy such a thing-i rather buy a laptop and this things seperatly would probably get more power and cheaper price.

[AlexHall74]

Tomer=Trance wrote:
"this is not a synth its a pc computer with buildin keyboard,audio interface and screen and its rather portable
i wouldnt buy such a thing-i rather buy a laptop and this things seperatly would probably get more power and cheaper price."

Ok, that's what it is.

I agree, buy a device for what it is good for.

Then if you get sick of it or it breaks you only get rid of one piece of gear, not three crucial pieces at once.

Thanks for clarifying.

Unless this thing is bad ass and affordable Korg is sucking wind as the competition blows by them.

-AlexHall74

[Timo]

All Tritons except the Triton Classic (which was dicontinued long ago, to make way for the Extreme) are NOT discontinued and will remain in production for some time to come, Jerry at Korg USA says.

It's looking more and more likely that this keyboard is the full-blown "OASYS" concept that has finally come to light! - A completely open-ended modelling synth.

Here's the form it was originally meant to be released in, in the mid-90's, but never got to see the light of day:-

http://www.vanille.de/extras/oasys/oasys.html

No wonder Access announced the TI early. ;)

[AlexHall74]

Kick ass article Timo!

Good research find!

That would be a REEEEALLLY cool board to work with. That's a killer of a price though, way past my means!

We will all just have to wait and see.

Apparently, if this is the new digs, then what is to happen to the Triton Line?

Is that line not well on its way to being outdated?

The Triton is Korg's "flagship" synth, right?

It seems they should be focusing on making the next Triton crush the Fantom-X and Motif...

Maybe I just don't know jack-shit about marketing? 8O

-AlexHall74

[Timo]

>>Apparently, if this is the new digs, then what is to happen to the Triton Line?

"OK - you know I'm not going to answer any questions - I just want to sit quietly on the sidelines until NAMM.

But I will tell you that the TRITON Studio is NOT discontinued by Korg, nor us... if the UK is not supporting it that's one thing, but as a worldwide stance it is still very much alive and will be for some time to come.

The only TRITON we have discontinued was the Classic line, so the Le, Studio, Extreme and Rack are all still very much alive."

http://www.irishacts.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=77429#77429

Jerry's a bigshot at Korg USA, so his word is pretty much gospel.

If the $7K price tag is for the top-whack weighted 88-note version, then the 61 note version might be considerably more palatable. Some observers have mentioned the Triton Studio was around $7K RRP top whack originally, with the 61-note being more like $4K street price. If that is duplicated with this synth, it would possibly bring it within about $1K of the Access TI's prices. I guess it depends.

Still not cheap, but if it is indeed the OASYS engine then it would offer a good bang for the buck as it is insanely flexible. Limitless, almost.

Interesting times await.

[Merlot]

Interesting article. I used to own a prophecy, and the modelling was superb to say the least. Some of the sounds you could get out of it were amazing.
It would be nice if it were 4k, but not alot of home studio owners could afford that board, including me.

[blay]

regardless of what korg produces, all credit to them for the professional approach of their release....

it will be two months tomoro since access announced the TI series, and all we have heard or seen in this time is some pretty 3d renderings...

at least korg had the maturity to withhold any info until they could give a definate release date. :roll:

[mcoyote]

...at least korg had the maturity to withhold any info until they could give a definate release date. :roll:

IPOF, if this is the realization of the Oasys concept, Korg did the bait-and-hold much worse than Access. The prototype was showcased at a few shows and delivery was promised again and again for a period of years until they finally shippped the PCI card version for Macs.

In truth, then, this unit was "announced" in something like 1995 and users have been waiting ever since.

[Timo]

Hiya mcoyote, the Oasys was much too expensive in its original form in 1994 - it was originally slated to have a $10K tag or something, and as it was so far ahead of its time the DSP available wasn't as powerful or cost-effective as they liked. Now, 11 years later, it's the perfect chance.

However, parts of the original R&D for the Oasys has since trickled into a lot of later Korg's products. - Wavedrum, Prophecy, Z1, Trinity, the Electribes, etc.

[blay]

In truth, then, this unit was "announced" in something like 1995 and users have been waiting ever since.

maybe we'll be waiting till 2016 for the damn TI. :roll:

my point is basically that i think it is poor form on access' behalf to announce and then no info for two months - not even an update.

if i had known it was going to take this long i would have waited to sell some of my stocks (which i wouldve received dividends from end of year) - also these stocks have risen $1 AUD in the meantime.

so forgive me for being a little annoyed by the premature release of information (especially if it were only for korgs benefit) :evil:

[ten]

Must agree with you there blay. This is the second access product (first being powercore virus) ive pre-ordered because they said the shipping date would be one thing, then its delayed for an extended period of time for whatever reason. I could of used the deposit money for other kit or whatever in the meantime and paid for the TI with the pay cheque nearer its rell date.

Its bloody simple to me. DONT ANNOUNCE PRODUCTS TILL THEY ARE READY TO SHIP. Its a right pain in the arse for consumers to be made to keep waiting and waiting on things to be released when companies have already given release dates, even 'expected ones' (which obviously mean jack coming from access). If you cant keep release dates, dont give them or even estimations when you announce new gear, its pretty bloody simple. I for one would rather be totally oblivious to new kit until its totally ready to ship and I can actually buy it.

If this 'paper' announcement was in someway because access wanted everyone to hype to the TI instead of korgs gear then they should have more faith in thier own product and kept it quiet until either it was ready to ship or at least you had a DEFINATE date letting the buyers make up thier own minds.

And to top it off access havent given us ANYTHING else. No audio demos, no indepth specs and workings, no ideas on how certain features work. Surely they must know all this already, or will it be a suprise for us to find out for oursevles??? ooo, what joy.

ten

[blay]

look what you have done access.
you made ten and i agree on something :lol: :wink:

i suggest access should give us an update on production on the 8th (exactly two months since first announcement) - it would certainly silence the preorder crowd for a little while....
even if howard could show us a copy of the new manual :wink:

[ten]

You know what the worst thing is, Blay? I bet its still released with bugs and software problems that need several fixes and OS updates till its properly working.

ten

[blay]

HC hopes so :wink: :lol:

i think access will get it close to right first time round.

[jasedee]

This is great! These posts of hope are now turning ugly...... :)

It wont be long till the second wave of rebellion hits, and then who knows what? Bomb threats, Kidnapping? The seizure of Access HQ by Blay and Ten hehehe....

[ten]

Blay you retard......I said dont tell ANYONE!!!!






































:wink:

ten

[Timo]

It seems to me that Access may have outed their announcement early when they got wind of this monster modelling Korg effort, so they could make the first splash with the whole computer "integration" thing and get pre-orders.
Fair enough that they don't want to release a buggy OS too soon (which is a lot more that can be said about many other companies, and must be heartily applauded), but I think it's a great shame Access haven't released a few audio demos or something small to tide us over. I'm absolutely desperate to hear the wavetable and hypersaw effort!

[AlexHall74]

I have 5 black ski-masks at home.

I say we form a crack squad of TI commandos and storm the Access R&D center.

We then liberate a TI from the treacherous clutches of the nit-picking Access QA department.

At this point point we send a ransom note that the The HyperSaw Liberation Army will post on-line demos of the TI until Access formally issues a true release date for all other TIs.

I have lots of old newspapers and glue and can put a ransom note together in a few hours...

Who wants in?

Viva La' HyperSaw Revolucion!!!

http://ex-parrot.com/~chris/random/medium-vs-message/revolution.jpg

:wink:

-AlexHall74

[jasedee]

OK....Im in! I always wanted to be a commando.....

[AlexHall74]

COOL!

We have three ski-masks left.

Who else is man enough to join The HyperSaw Liberation Army???

I'm going to start on the ransom note...

[3o3]

whenever a man offers me a ski-mask i am always in. wether its freaky porn or in this case - use of force too liberate the hypersaw of the TI

[AlexHall74]

AHA!

So, the Orangutang with a black ski-mask and a beer in his hand chasing after two blondes that I saw on the WWW last week was you 3o3?

I should have known!

Cool!

[3o3]

That's me alright; althou i don't chase any blondes. I've already got the best blonde.

althou, she is pissed at me now

But that is an different matter; what i was chasing was acctually more. Hmm. beer - i need more of that

EDIT: And now everything is fine. ah. I love my honeybunny

[AlexHall74]

OK, you were chasing after the BEERS that those two blondes were holding!

Perfectly logical explanation, any sane man, err Orangutang, would have done the same thing...your girlfriend is over reacting!

My pretty little blonde got mad at me when I bought my Virus! :twisted:

Ooops!

[3o3]

That's right - don't stand in the way between my beer and my other beer. damn it.

Argh, i am getting drunk here

[mcoyote]

...Its bloody simple to me. DONT ANNOUNCE PRODUCTS TILL THEY ARE READY TO SHIP...

I guess I'm sympathetic because I work in software. The business has certain goals that translate into dates and units, but the engineers often won't know what they'll encounter on the way there -- some things just can't be predicted when you are dealing with this much code.

Once the engineers say "yeah, looks like we'll make it," committments to distributors get made and advertising goes out. Managemnet has to do that because those things take time to put in motion.

The odd thing is, of course, that every project takes longer than you want and (usually) less than you fear. That being the case, engineering management would be well served to be pessimistic in their timelines, but they're also trying to scoop competition and dodge creditors.

You could call it a lose/lose scenario.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

It seems to me that Access may have outed their announcement early when they got wind of this monster modelling Korg effort, so they could make the first splash with the whole computer "integration" thing and get pre-orders.
Fair enough that they don't want to release a buggy OS too soon (which is a lot more that can be said about many other companies, and must be heartily applauded), but I think it's a great shame Access haven't released a few audio demos or something small to tide us over. I'm absolutely desperate to hear the wavetable and hypersaw effort!

Maybe the hypersaw and wavetable dont sound too good? For all we know...it might not be that great....and lets face it....you gotta put of fuckign good mp3's to sell a synth. With all this secrecy and daudling around....the mp3's had better make me go wow....otherwise im buying a vintage synth lol

Onllyy joking.....

DS

[AlexHall74]

Mcoyote wrote:
I guess I'm sympathetic because I work in software. The business has certain goals that translate into dates and units, but the engineers often won't know what they'll encounter on the way there -- some things just can't be predicted when you are dealing with this much code.

I agree with Mcoyote here as I work in the software industry too.
However, I also agree with his later statement of:

That being the case, engineering management would be well served to be pessimistic in their timelines...

I worked with a software company about five years ago that sold document imaging systems. They basically missed the boat of having a totally web-based system so they were cracking the whip hard on the development staff to convert the current client-server app. into a web-based one. THEY DROPPED ALL THEIR P.R. MATERIALL TOO EARLY AS WELL...

This caused their existing clients to stop ordering new licenses as they feared an imminent upgrade/conversion and scared their prospective clients into waiting to give them any money because they did not want to be on the "Bleeding Edge" of a new and untested technology.

For Access it is a little different in that a Virus C is still a bad-ass synth and some people might not be shy in buying it even I they know the TI is coming out. It is still bad business, but in al honestly it is a difficult game to win.

No company will ever have their product designed, tested, manufactured and on a perfectly predictable delivery schedule; no matter what business they are in. In general though it is better practice to UNDER PROMISE and OVER DELIVER.

I also agree with 3o3:

3o3 wrote:
That's right - don't stand in the way between my beer and my other beer. damn it.

This is a fundamental law of man...

http://www.mastgeneralstore.com/monroe/monkey9.jpg

...and apparently apes as well!

-AlexHall74

[Tomer=Trance]

you know i love monkeys but lets get back to the real topic.
any news on the new korg product?

[AlexHall74]

I'm posting on a different forum to see if there is any other info there...

I'll be back!

[Merlot]

My wife runs her P.R. firm, maybe ACCESS should hire her! :D She'll get the job done right and get some mp3's and tentative release dates out of them. On the business and PR side though (in all seriousness), they are doing a SHITTY job!!!

I mean seriously though, 2 months go by since announcement and not 1 mp3 of any type or tentative release dates. I think they are forgetting that the orders they have now are PREorders. The customer can change their mind if something better comes along. BUUUUUTTTTT, nothing probably will, soo we wont. :roll:

[AlexHall74]

OK Gents,

I have a piece of info from Tweakheadz.com member synthologist:

synthologist wrote:
If you are into rumor and speculation, try this post from Harmony Central:

http://duet.harmony-central.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=823819

Any facts of course, will be delivered at the upcoming NAMM show.

This info seems to be pushed towards the possibility of this being a late release of the Oasys platform...

Enjoy!

We are now back on topic Tomer=Trance! :wink:

-AlexHall74

[Timo]

I think we've established it may be OASYS. ;)

>>This info seems to be pushed towards the possibility of this being a late release of the Oasys platform...

However, the stuff that Artur spouted at the top of the thread was ripped from the Vanille.de site, and that stuff is years old. Artur just turned it into a synopsis simply because he heard the name OASYS mentioned on the forums.

The guys there don't know jack all about any more insider info confirming it 100% one way or another, or adding to any info that was already freely available from the OASYS-PCI back in 1998.

I'm hoping it IS OASYS though, as it would be a monstrous concept. And an equally monstrous price tag. :roll: If a 61-note synth action version came under $4K street price, I might even consider it over a Polar TI. I loved the flexibility of Korg's significantly more basic "Moss", but the sound quality of the Oasys is completely on another level to Moss. You could program a hypersaw and wavetable in a release of Oasys as it was meant to be (back in 1994, when the Korg visionaries imagined such a concept, but didn't have the available technology at that time), I'd imagine, which is what I'd be getting a TI for (as well as the Virus characteristic sound, of course). I think that blue joystick effort may even be a hint to wavestation wavetable madness, who knows?
However, I'm not paying owt more than ?2K for a ruddy synth, though, no matter what it does! hehe

[Tomer=Trance]

let me get this stright
the OASYS is a prototype synth built by korg in the early 90s or did they buy the rights on this from the original manufacture/inventor ?

[Timo]

OASYS is a 100% Korg concept, and it was researched and developed by Korg's team:- http://www.irishacts.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=76341#76341

It was meant to be released in this keyboard form:

http://www.vanille.de/extras/oasys/oasys.gif

http://www.vanille.de/extras/oasys/oasys.html

...but it was, I think, too big a concept for its time in 1994 (and still for many years to come). I remember reading somewhere a good while ago that Korg did absolutely massive research on it all, but computer DSP restraints really did put it on a back burner, so much so that, in its earliest stages, they had to "render" sounds offline as opposed to being able to 'play' them in realtime as the synthesis models were so advanced. However, when the keyboard version was meant to be released, it would've also had a street price of around $10K. But they never eventually released it.

Instead, they released the Wavedrum in '94 which was just one physical model of an acoustic drum, the Prophecy in '95 which used a tiny portion of the analog modelling research, and then the Z1 in '97 which used a little more, in the form of more physical models, but even the Z1 had such restraints in that they had to effectively stunt OASYS to fit it into the Z1 hat.

OASYS is "open architecture", so while the Z1 (using MOSS) is using "fixed" algorithims (ie. for the standard analog, comb filtering, ring-mod, oscillator sync'-mod, cross-mod', FM analog-based models as well as the organ, electric piano, strings, plucked, reed, bowed and brass physical models), the OASYS was meant to allow you to effectively design and load up ANY algorithms, not just those ones given (as in the Z1), and then it allow you to do whatever you want with the sound from there on.

In OASYS, there were meant to be no "standard" types of oscillators, LFOs, EGs, filters, etc. restricting you (although preset algorithms are given, as they were on the Z1 for example - I think the OASYS-PCI card released back in the late 90's had even more algorithms, and a better sound quality than the Z1), but OASYS was meant to be totally flexible in that when any new synthesis types are born and created, you can effectively load the algorithms into OASYS and play it like it were a new keyboard. - In other words it's pretty much always upgradable. The sound you get out of it is only limited to the algorithms that you put into it! Very similar to the G2 Modular, and Reaktor I'd imagine.
So, if you wanted a Hypersaw, for example, you could effectively program it in!

Freakily, it's resembling more and more like my (heated?) argument with Ben Crosland a while ago. http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?p=19945#19945 . I thought it would never happen. And I half-hoped Access would do it first, if it did.

I'm wondering if because Korg released modelled VST-I's of their MS20, Wavestation and PolySix that they might even bundle these algorithms within their OASYS architecture too. Who knows? That blue joystick looks very Wavestation-like!

I think you might even be able to program your own effects, too, but I don't know enough about it to speculate further. I heard that whatever you can do with SynthKit, you can import the equivalent into OASYS.

[AlexHall74]

I have been mining other forums for info on the new Korg, and found this:

synthologist wrote:
Here's something from Roland (maybe).

http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=012656

Could the Roland Zeus be for real?

How would this compare to the new Korg?

LOOK AT ALL THOSE KNOBS AND SLIDERS!!!

Is it one of HC's fakes?

-AlexHall74

[Merlot]

Link is not working here. I am curious though.

[3o3]

The link is dead, damn shame i did also wanna see what the new Roland looks like (or well the first homemade pictures ala HC)

[AlexHall74]

Try this for the article and pic:

http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=18;t=012656

I tried to upload it and I guess it is too big.

Cheers!

-AlexHall74

[Tomer=Trance]

its a fake....
its was made from a jup picture....

[AlexHall74]

It had to be!

What is jup?

-AlexHall74

[tranzash]

What the hell is the Triton as a VST instrument, Fake?

[Juho L]

What the hell is the Triton as a VST instrument, Fake?

This all is just speculation. 20th of January Korg announces something totally new (finally).

[3o3]

Errr.. En gammal l?sk?tare?

Most talk about korg's new thing is about an new OASYS-thingie

[Juho L]

Errr.. En gammal l?sk?tare?

No! En gammal l?skmaskin och glas?tare.

Edit: Man kan ?ta glas och g?r? l?sk - A man can eat glass and make limonade.

[3o3]

H?h?.

Swedish words of wisdom huh?

[Juho L]

Swedish words of wisdom huh?

Yup. The same class as: "B?ttre frisk och rik ?n sjuk och fattig" (Translation: Better healthy and rich than sick and poor). That was actually on our Swedish textbook. A hilarious typo. And that same typo was also on German textbook.

Edit: Juokaa olutta, herkullista! (Trans: Drink beer - delicious!)

[Tomer=Trance]

It had to be!

What is jup?

-AlexHall74

roland jupiter analog polysynth.

[Timo]

Triton VST-I IS a fake, albeit a professional one.

http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/48670/full.jpg ..... is self-explanatory. ;)

For real, I doubt Korg would release any software without having some kinda of stealth dongle protection, like they did with the MS20 controller for Legacy. That tells me that VST-I is most likely fake at this early time, even if it were remotely true!

As for the Zeus, that's fake, and is a mock-up pic that's been made from a jumble of other pics to resemble an artists "ideal" keyboard. The pic has been floating around in cyberspace for years.

http://www.irishacts.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3418&start=120 (scroll down the page)

[3o3]

Who knows really.

I mean Legacy can be found out on the internet - and whatever protection they use it will too 99% be cracked. It's just a matter of time

[Juho L]

Triton VST-I IS a fake, albeit a professional one.

http://www.tweakers.net/ext/f/48670/full.jpg ..... is self-explanatory. ;)

3,6 GB... BUAHAHAHAHAHA! Classic. Pretty big engine file there...

As for the Zeus, that's fake, and is a mock-up pic that's been made from a jumble of other pics to resemble an artists "ideal" keyboard. The pic has been floating around in cyberspace for years.

I really can't understand why people fall on those really absurd fakes, like that Zeus. It looked like a softsynth interface. When Hollowcell made that Virus Appachi by copy-pasting Korg MS20 plugin interface and few people bought that, I wanted to cry. ?hih.

Synth mania seems to be too strong amongst us snth geeks. People, be objective and critical. We Finns have a saying "I don't believe until I see it for real". Everything is 99% hoax until it's on official web site.

[Juho L]

Who knows really.

I mean Legacy can be found out on the internet - and whatever protection they use it will too 99% be cracked. It's just a matter of time

There is no secure copy protection. Eventually everything is cracked. For example like when the first dongle protection came everybody said it was end for crackers... Well, we all know what happened. Computer is a stupid workaholic, so it's really easy to deceive it. This means that any kind of digital protection is crackable.

[saba]

There is no secure copy protection. Eventually everything is cracked.

Aye. Although Steinberg have done a good job with SX3.
________
Wellbutrin settlement information (http://www.classactionsettlements.org/lawsuit/wellbutrin/)

[AlexHall74]

Software Manufacturers vs. Crackers; a typical evolutionary system.

Much like Cops vs. Robbers;

Accountants vs. Tax Codes;

Hardware Synths vs. Software Synths... :wink:

Each will change and respond to the developments of the other and over the long term equilibrium will exist in the systems.

The strong will survive, the weak will perish!

My beer is gone...

AAAAAIYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! :wink:

-AlexHall74

[3o3]

3,6 GB... BUAHAHAHAHAHA! Classic. Pretty big engine file there...

Or is it with the sounds? h?h?.

When Hollowcell made that Virus Appachi by copy-pasting Korg MS20 plugin interface and few people bought that, I wanted to cry. ?hih.

There is something i cant understand aswell. How hard is it to see that the pictures has been modified? Or those Zeus/Juno32 - How someone even could think that they where real. I can't cry but laugh.. alot

There is no secure copy protection. Eventually everything is cracked. For example like when the first dongle protection came everybody said it was end for crackers... Well, we all know what happened. Computer is a stupid workaholic, so it's really easy to deceive it. This means that any kind of digital protection is crackable

Yes, what i mean by 99% - They have done a good job on the new protection for SX3 and alot of crackers has have/are having a hard time cracking it's protection. Yet it still is only a matter of time until it breaks

The strong will survive, the weak will perish!

No no no. Only the Paranoid will survive!

[Juho L]

No no no. Only the Paranoid will survive!

But if there's no-one else left, who will play it?

[3o3]

But if there's no-one else left, who will play it?

Are you sure that you are the only one left? i don't think so. There is always someone lurking around in the neighbourhood.

[Hollowcell]

When Hollowcell made that Virus Appachi by copy-pasting Korg MS20 plugin interface and few people bought that, I wanted to cry. ?hih.

The Virus Appatchi is real though! They are still deciding if they should release it though. If they do release it, it will over take the pre-orders for the TIs I rekon. It hurts that you thought I made that up using an MS20. :wink:

http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/51095/AccessAppatchi.JPG

Synth mania seems to be too strong amongst us snth geeks. People, be objective and critical. We Finns have a saying "I don't believe until I see it for real". Everything is 99% hoax until it's on official web site.

Bloody skeptical nation you are over there! What ever happened to trust? You fell for my Indigo3 though - you can admit it. :D

[3o3]

Oh, when is it coming out? hehe

[Juho L]

You fell for my Indigo3 though - you can admit it. :D

Indigo3? I don't remember that one. I only remember that Appatchi and Virus Plague.

[Timo]

You fell for my Indigo3 though - you can admit it. :D

Indigo3? I don't remember that one. I only remember that Appatchi and Virus Plague.

Indigo3, Hollow's best effort yet...

...almost. ;)

http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=2580&highlight=indigo

[Wandering Kid]

my point is basically that i think it is poor form on access' behalf to announce and then no info for two months - not even an update.


im not so sure. its a cut throat business and ive seen alot of well known companies capitalising on the loyalty of its customer base at the expense of a couple thousand pissed off people up until its eventual launch. valve did this on half life 2 for instance only everyone had to wait 14 months instead of 3. needless to say, that didnt stop people pre ordering it months in advance of release, and it didnt stop it selling millions. it didnt stop people from never buying valve products again, which is what everyone would have to have done to effectively protest against this kind of marketing. as evidenced by the fact that half the people here pre ordered the virus TI on the strength of access's claims as to the machine's capabilities? well that just shows that access really had little to lose by doing this. and to be frank, i dont blame them with competition like roland and korg seemingly forging away at their next digital masterpeices.

its all well and good saying its poor form on access, but this type of company behavior is pretty much the norm if the stakes are high, and if they make as much money as they do from an as yet non existant, non functional product, then good job access - i like the way their brand name has so much weight to it - its more pressure on them to not fuck it up when the TI eventually does launch.

EDIT: hollowcell - i cant believe you staked your mother's life on the authenticity of that indigo 3 8O you must not value your mother's life that much seeing as blank/jasedee saw through it instantly. *grin* you should definitely try to photoshop a virus modular or a nord lead 4. get some more people whipped up into a frenzy. *grin*

[Timo]

OMG, it's an absolute monster!

Korg OASYS it definately is. And it's a Triton crusher at the same time. With KARMA technology.

With a 511mb, 4-velocity layered Concert Grand piano, too...

A mutha f'in behemoth.

[blay]

hmmm thanks for the heads up timo...

everyone's complaining about the projected price tag of this monster - but if you weigh up those features on paper against the TI, have we found a product which gives you better bang for your buck?

i wonder how many people will start reconsidering their TI purchases now? (especially if korg starts shipping from the 20th Jan...)

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

This new Korg would appear to be your all-in-one synth solution. OASYS, VA, WAVETABLE and VS.

Very tempting.....however, there are two contraints. We dont know what the UI is like and we dont know its real Cost. Havign said that.....hats off to Korg for finally develping the OASYS concept fully. Its been like 11 years in the making.

DS

[Timo]

i wonder how many people will start reconsidering their TI purchases now? (especially if korg starts shipping from the 20th Jan...)

Yep, me for one. I loved Korg's Trinity and Moss, including the touchsreen interface - VERY intuitive - which is why I've been grumbling ever since about the Virus' GUI (albeit Indigo v1), it's dreadful.

Damn, I really wished Korg were going to do a 61-note version, though. The price might be just too much for me, in its current form. $7K USD (?3270 GBP, or 5300 Euros) being the rumoured RRP price for the 88-note version (the street price will be cheaper, I'll bet, as will the 71-note version). If the 71-note version ever goes as low as ?2K street price, I'll be looking into getting that as opposed to a Polar TI.

Roll on Namm!

[blay]

Roll on Namm!

yep i for one would love to be there when it all starts - perhaps korg and access can get booths across from each other and talk trash to each other all week :lol:

"my mamas synth is fatter than yo mamas"

[Hollowcell]

HC hopes so :wink: :lol:

i think access will get it close to right first time round.

Hehehe, just decided to read these Korg threads and found this gem! Honestly, I really hope Access doesn't have a buggy OS, because the amount of "help me" threads is bound to increase! :cry:

Realisticly though I am guessing there will be bugs. With something this complicated, containing many variables when running in a VSTi realm - they can't test every possible config - can they?. Look at Sounddiver.

Now about this Korg thing. Comparing it to the TI is really strange. Very different machines indeed. I doubt very much the Korg VA will match the TI's VA - having said that though I still like the sound of the MS2000. I just think they will be too different to compare really. Have to wait and see.

It's gunna be a cool Namm this year! Really new stuff hitting the market. Not just the same old VA gear this year. :D Can't wait.

[Hollowcell]

EDIT: hollowcell - i cant believe you staked your mother's life on the authenticity of that indigo 3 8O you must not value your mother's life that much seeing as blank/jasedee saw through it instantly. *grin* you should definitely try to photoshop a virus modular or a nord lead 4. get some more people whipped up into a frenzy. *grin*

No, I gambled her life against the fact that it wasn't a Photoshop creation. I made it in Photo impression4. I love me mum. :wink:

[Timo]

http://www.keyboards-homestudio.com/photos/news/20012005_100204_OASYS2.jpg

[Juho L]

Looks nice. I want to know the price. That thing could save Korg from certain doom if they don't overprice it.

[Merlot]

looks nice, but i wish they would make one without a sequencer. That would defenitely lower the price, whatever it is.

[Juho L]

One hour to go.

[3o3]

Still looks pretty cool; clean design. and a 'wavestation'-joystick. ohh!

[Timo]

http://www.irishacts.com/forum/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10032&start=0

Hello mates. Got this from a friend who's a brand manager for Korg for a local dealer who's at the NAMM right now.

OASYS 76 and 88 keys.
-172 polophony
-616 mb PCM
- 267mb sample RAM upgradable up to 512 MB
- Linux platform OS
- Karma 2nd gen
-Vector synthesis
-10 cm pop-up color TFT touchscreen
-wave sequencing
-analog and FM modeling
-2 joysticks-
4- way velocity down to program level
-16 part multitimbral
- 16 track HD recorder
- 40Gb HD and USB interface for CDRW
-Optical I/O
- knob sliders touchpad(velocity sensitive)
-12 IFX, 2 master FX

.......and most importantly, estimate is 76@ $8k and 88@ $8.5K.

$8K. ... $8K?!!!!?? 8O Meh!

[Juho L]

$8K. ... $8K?!!!!?? 8O Meh!

I bet Yamaha will buy Korg... Of course after Korg has went bankrupt.

[Merlot]

$8K. ... $8K?!!!!?? 8O Meh!

I bet Yamaha will buy Korg... Of course after Korg has went bankrupt.

Sounds like a plan to me. Myabe then they will drop the price on this beast.

[Timo]

$8K. ... $8K?!!!!?? 8O Meh!

I bet Yamaha will buy Korg... Of course after Korg has went bankrupt.

Sounds like a plan to me. Myabe then they will drop the price on this beast.

Yeah, hoping the street price will be a lot less. Even so, we'd have to wait a year or two for it to come down even more.

Polar and laptop for me, instead! :)

[3o3]

I'd wait some years before i'd buy that (if i ever buy it that is)

[Juho L]

That Korg pricing will definetly pull the company to bankrupcy. Kurzweil had difficulties selling their gear and this is even double the price... Gloomy future, I say.

For that 8000 dollars one oculd get insane computer with PoCo and UAD1 + loads of software that would make the Oasys sound like a joke.

[Timo]

[Korg.com - Love Embraces All (http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/oasys/L_E_A.mp3)] - 6.1mb MP3

[Korg.com - Teknosis (http://www.korg.com/downloads/mp3/oasys/teknosis.mp3)] - 6.6mb MP3

[Harmony Central - Video (http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM05/Content/Korg/PR/OASYS-studio.html)] - For some reason I can't seem to link to the actual video itself, but the video link is on that page. - 30 minute long streaming RealMedia video

[Korg.com - Video (http://www.clicklive.com/KorgUSA/sniffer/OASYS_Introduction/select.html)] - WindowsMedia or RealMedia, and narrow or broadband.

[Hollowcell]

I'm at home, so I won't be DLing the vids just yet, but from what you guys are saying it's not sounding too promising. That disapointing?!

Does the video show anything other than PCM stuff?

For 8 grand there must be something to it!!! Surely!

[Timo]

I'm at home, so I won't be DLing the vids just yet, but from what you guys are saying it's not sounding too promising. That disapointing?!

Does the video show anything other than PCM stuff?

For 8 grand there must be something to it!!! Surely!

I dunno.... The stuff that was showcased in the video was, shock horror, daytime TV stuff, again. Very disappointing. I actually think this was more to do with the demonstrator's choice of music, though..

The Teknosis demo was very good, though. Tight as anything, too. It obviously shows it's about how you personally use it. If I ever had access to an OASYS (not likely) I'd dump most of the PCM daytime-TV instrumental stuff (if possible) and import my own samples for warping. I think that would be where the OASYS would truly come unto a world of its own. The synthesis possibilities are vast.
The AL-1 analogue board, ... The demonstrator only showed one type of sound, so we didn't get to really hear its potential.

For $8K I was really, really expecting to be blown away. But unfortunately not, by a long shot. :roll: $8K could buy you a LOT, elsewhere, and still sound better.

[Merlot]

That guy in the video could play the keys though. he was pretty F%^&in good! 8O

[Tomer=Trance]

for 8 grand you can set up a whole 2nd hand studio.

[Hollowcell]

If I ever had access to an OASYS (not likely) I'd dump most of the PCM daytime-TV instrumental stuff (if possible) and import my own samples for warping. I think that would be where the OASYS would truly come unto a world of its own. The synthesis possibilities are vast.
The AL-1 analogue board, ... The demonstrator only showed one type of sound, so we didn't get to really hear its potential.

For $8K I was really, really expecting to be blown away. But unfortunately not, by a long shot. :roll: $8K could buy you a LOT, elsewhere, and still sound better.

I agree, dumping the PCM and starting again is what it's about - V-synth is a good example of that. Can't demo the thing with out taking your own samples into the store.

All I know (without reading in detail about the new Oasis) is that if it has the possibilities of the prototype Oasis in the 90s, depending on the user the thing will completely change.

But..........8 fucking grand! 8O Not a chance in my economic position - even if it was amazing.