Virus Indigo VS Roland SH2

[euphoricgrey]

Okay here is the deal...... I'm selling a mint condition Sequential Pro One on ebay and I was thinking about going for a Indigo 1... but my friend who does programming for electronic mind control swears by his sh2 and says it's amazing except... it's not midi. I do have the midi converter but I just wanna know what you guys think about the SH2. I do have GOBS of effx and plug-ins that i could run a SH2 through instead of having the effx in the virus but.. just gimme your .02, thanks so much guys!

=Lu!G!=

[Merlot]

Lets see if DS can talk you out of selling your pro one! :D

[Hollowcell]

I would absolutely love an SH2. Powerfull twin osc mono. Would I get one instead of an Indigo though? No I probably wouldn't - specially if they were the same price. Which brings me to the questions; How much is the SH, and how much is the Indigo?

[euphoricgrey]

Well sh2's go for about 500-600. The indigo's i see for about 1000. Could almost get a SH2 and a Microwave XT for the price of the indigo. Then use plug-ins and some pedals for effx. Just a thought.. anyone else help me?

The stuff we make is a mix of Industrial/Metal/Trip-Hop/Classical. I like real thick throaty leads but i also like high res stuff.. I also have a Juno 60 and a sherman filterbank 2. So for pads I like running the juno through the fb2 for real crazy shit. I just want something easy to program with but really effective. The thing with the indigo would be to utilize the tempo synch appreg and all that tempo syncd schtuff.

A friend also mentioned I might get a TC Powercore with the V!rus plug-in and put the extra towards something else..... Also have Circuit bent casio that I did and I'm starting on a SID synth. So I just need a synth that i basicly dont have or is unique for no more than 1000 used or new, hehe. help me pleaaaaase, thanks :)

-Luigi-
{?Euphoric Grey?}

[euphoricgrey]

shite... I always forget about my Future Retro 777 also. so consider what i have and what i cant accomplish from what i have already. thanks guys, you rule!

[jasedee]

~Welcome To Planet Virus~

I think you'll fit right in here! And for my opinion?

You have too much gear already and should give it all to me, and pursue a life as a monk ;)

Just jokes.......good luck in your search for that something special!

[Merlot]

I find sometimes too many options in sound can delay the writing process b/c you are always searching for that sound on different machines. Keep about 2 or 3 synths (DIFFERENT TYPES OF SYNTHESIS), learn em all inside and out and then program the sounds you want. Get something like the G2 that can do all kinds of synthesis. JMO though :D

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The stuff we make is a mix of Industrial/Metal/Trip-Hop/Classical. I like real thick throaty leads but i also like high res stuff.. I also have a Juno 60 and a sherman filterbank 2. So for pads I like running the juno through the fb2 for real crazy shit. I just want something easy to program with but really effective. The thing with the indigo would be to utilize the tempo synch appreg and all that tempo syncd schtuff.

A friend also mentioned I might get a TC Powercore with the V!rus plug-in and put the extra towards something else..... Also have Circuit bent casio that I did and I'm starting on a SID synth. So I just need a synth that i basicly dont have or is unique for no more than 1000 used or new, hehe. help me pleaaaaase, thanks :)

-Luigi-
{?Euphoric Grey?}

Hi man and welcome to the forum! Okdokey...heres my opinion on the matter...

Sounds like your going through a phase we all do. You own some good synths...use them for some time....fancy a change.....money is a bit tight....what do you do? You sell some existing gear! The Roland SH2 is a great analog monosynth.....but to go from a Pro-One > SH2 is not a great idea in my mind. The Pro-One is one of the best sounding and most flexibble hardwired analog mono's ever....the SH2 is very basic in comparison. You like the vintage roland sound (who doesnt!)...but youve got a Juno 60 and that can put out decent bass if you program/process it right.

I appreciate the build quality of the Pro-One sometimes creates mind loops in people (it did with me sometimes)....but the reality is....if you go from a P1 to a SH2 you are effectively downgrading.....and for what? Just so you can get a bit of vintage roland bass/leads? You say you cover industrial music....sequential gear is perfect for that.....roland gear less so in my opinion. The perfect combo for industrial would be a Pro-One/Prophet 5 and a wavetable synth. You want to do synth pop....by all means go get a Jupiter 8/Juno 60/SH2 combo.

I love Roland gear and Sequential......why dont you just wait 6 months and save up the money to buy a 2nd hand SH2 without having to sell the P1. If you could do that it would be a killer combination.

Coming to the Indigo 1......why oh why would you want a 37 key VA? The Indigo is no analog monosynth......you should really think about getting the 61 key version if you really want to play it. The Virus represents polyfiller in my opinion......you know....the stuff that fills the cracks in the walls. For me, tools like Prophets and Jupiters are the structure and the Virus fills in everything else. If you are specifically needing a synth to cover proper bass/leads and fx....then why are you considering soft/VA? I hate to say it.....but analog is superior in this department. Dont get me wrong...the Virus is the best pollyfiller out there....

You just have to ask yourself: What is your real motivation behind all this? Is it to equip yourself with the necessary tools to make the music you want...or is it to quell boredom in your existing gear?

If the Pro-One does sell.....all I can say is good luck man :)

DS :lol:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Oh...and before anyone decides to have a dig at me hehe.....im just voicing an honest opinion......i hope people can respect that. I dont mean to come across provokative....

DS :wink:

[Smag]

Sounds like you're armed to the teeth already. If you're after a synth for old 70's style bass I'd go for the SH2 and then use the rest for a powercore card or a decent channel strip module or something. If you need a wider sound palette - pads, atmospheres e.t.c, I'd go for an Indigo.

[euphoricgrey]

lol... keep the pro-one eh?
And what.. save up for something like the Microwave XT or a virus?

anyone have any patch sheets for the pro-one? thanks guys!

=Luigi=

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

lol... keep the pro-one eh?
And what.. save up for something like the Microwave XT or a virus?

anyone have any patch sheets for the pro-one? thanks guys!

=Luigi=

Definitely man...thats a sensible thing to do. The P1 has all the dirt, rawness, darkness and warmth industrial music needs (well all genres actually!) + the Virus or Microwave has everything else.....and I mean ...litrally everything else.

Interestingly, the Virus is also a very dark sounding VA imho. Its also very warm sounding in comparison to all the other VA's on the market. Ive run a Prophet 5, Pro-One along side a Virus KC and they go together perfectly. The Microwave is a superb synth....but a little tiresome to program sometimes......check one out before you buy it.

Have you ever tried out a virus before?

DS

[euphoricgrey]

wonder if my signature will work..... cant figute out how to turn on html in here, lol anyone?

[euphoricgrey]

Oh... one of you guys said I "cover" industrial songs...lol. I dont cover anything.....cept maybe I might remake a phil collins song.. hehe.

My industrial friend Kurt told me that if anything... I might sell the pro 1 for a korg ms20 if anything. What do you guys think of the ms-20, i've heard it's pretty sick... thanks again guys.

Cant wait to build my SID synth...... ;)

[Merlot]

I might sell the pro 1 for a korg ms20 if anything. What do you guys think of the ms-20, i've heard it's pretty sick... thanks again guys.

Have a look at the demo of the korg legacy collection. They have a MS20 in it. It may not be real analog, but it will give you an idea of the sounds you can make

Cant wait to build my SID synth...... ;)
Did you check out the monomachine by elektron. It has 6 different types of synthesis including the c64 chip that was in the sidstation.
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[wildbill]

........... but my friend who does programming for electronic mind control .............
=Lu!G!=


8O :lol: - i guess your friend must program for the government then?

[euphoricgrey]

Hey guys.. anyone know how to tune a pro-one? i'm setting it up in my studio better today with all the routing right and shit.... I play C though and it's metering at like an A#, lol, any tips? thanks!

[3o3]

Isn't there a tuning knob for the Pro-one?

And let it warm up first - say start it and let it stand like that for 30 minutes or so before you start to play

[euphoricgrey]

it doesnt tune far enough, can only get within a note and a half of what it's supposed to be. Just annoying.. just though the pro-1 guy could help me, hehe. thanks guys again

[jasedee]

.. just though the pro-1 guy could help me, hehe. thanks guys again
Im sure DS has some suggestions for you.....

DS?

[euphoricgrey]

DS, bro... you're the one I wanna hear from :)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Oh... one of you guys said I "cover" industrial songs...lol. I dont cover anything.....cept maybe I might remake a phil collins song.. hehe.

My industrial friend Kurt told me that if anything... I might sell the pro 1 for a korg ms20 if anything. What do you guys think of the ms-20, i've heard it's pretty sick... thanks again guys.

Cant wait to build my SID synth...... ;)

Hi again,

When I said 'cover'....i didnt mean you do covers lol....i meant to say you cover the genre of industrial hehe :lol:

The Korg MS20 is a fine synth.....capable of very nice piercing sounds. The only thing I dont like about the MS20 is the screechy nature of the filter. Basses lack balls....but the leads can be awesome...as well as the blips and bleeps etc. Its not a strong bass synth imo.

Its cool to cover Phil Collins....expecially if your into early Genesis songs that use a lot of Prophet 5. Ive made almost identical P5 sounds....ill dig out an MP3....

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hey guys.. anyone know how to tune a pro-one? i'm setting it up in my studio better today with all the routing right and shit.... I play C though and it's metering at like an A#, lol, any tips? thanks!

Tune a Pro-One in relation to other instruments that might be playing? Or a general tuning of the oscilators? Ok heres what I do to tune it in relation to other gear:

1) Turn the Pro-One on for 10 mins and let that baby warm up

2) Make sure the master tune knob is set in the middle position whilst warmup takes place.

3) Make any desired sound on the Pro-One (at this point whether its in tune to other instruments...is not important). I think its important to stress here: If you plan to use a one oscilator sound...thats fine...tune it to that. If you plan to use two oscilators thats also fine...but tune it to that. You see, sometimes if you tune an analog synth when only using one oscilator....then you introduce a second oscilator....it might require another retune, albeit a subtle one. You can save your self some grief here....if you make the sound in advance before you go for a full tuning. Once the sound is made....stick it into 'drone' mode or dependign how the envelopes are set up....you may need to repeatedly trigger the sound by tapping the key or sticking it into 'repeat' mode. Hold down a C or something......then turn the mod wheel up or down till its in tune with a C on some other instrument....then play a few scales i suppose just to make sure. Well thats what i do bud....seems to work fine for me! If you have any serious problems....then maybe you should really think about getting your Pro-One serviced....that would eradicate difficulties in tuning for sure.

4) Yes I think your right....the general tune knob (as is the case on most analog synths.....lacks the kinda range to make them particularly useful). I cheat somewhat by using the mod wheel to set the tuning in relation to other gear. You could of course use a guitar tuner for a more precise tuning.....but i always do it by ear...and hence get a nice sound because its always a fraction out of tune lol. If you want real fun and games...try tuning a Korg Mono-Poly, Pro-One, Prophet 5 and Jupiter 8 all at the same time....and keep them in tune hehehe....

Hope this helps u man

DS

[Tomer=Trance]

i didnt know the sh2 is that expensive!
an indigo1 would go for around 1200 euro,so is the sh2 :?:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

OK we know my opinion on this matter....but in an effort to minimise bias.....ill link you a thread on another forum to somebody who uses the SH2

Roland SH2 user review (http://www.darksonus.com/info/sh2.html)

DS