Powerspecs from Korg:

[Oasys]

- VA synth (84 voices)
- CX-3 tonewheel organ with drawbar control (172 voices)
- 616 mb PCM (172 voices)1664 patches plus 1792 user
- 500 mb Sampler
- 16 Track Audio Recording with 40 gig hd
- Karma
- additional 511 mb Piano plus 2x 310 mb drums
- Expansion Instruments
- Sequencer
- Huge Touchview display
- massive modulation
- Oasys synth and wave sequences ala wavestation at another level.
- Organ, pcm and va can be combined in seceral ways
pluss lots and lots and lotssssss more

......ehhh if i only could afford it... It comes in two shapes: 88 weighted hammer action and 76 key synth action

Read more about it at sound on sounds forum:

http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?session=1fde194cb116e1feeb8c786e90446f49&Cat=&Number=69229&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#69229

This info came from Korgs own site, they've since taken it offline

[tranzash]

Welcome Oasys :)

Who could afford this Korg? 8O $7000.00, God Bless.

[grs]

What is the VA part of it like/structured?
That would be the only thing of interest to true synthesis fans.
PCM - Blah!

[ben crosland]

We welcome spammers now? :roll:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Nice specs for those who can afford it. But not for me.......

DS

[Smag]

Smells like a Hartmann.

[blay]

Smells like a Hartmann.

smells like our new member oasys maybe someone from the korg marketing department :roll:

ben i wouldnt call this spam as there has already been considerable discussion on this form related to the new korg release.... and I am sure there are many members here that are very interested in this information. I'm sure you would agree with this.

cheers

blay

[Juho L]

If this OASYS is true and the price tag is 4000 euros or less, I'm going to get one for sure!

[blay]

yep im beginning to see why access rushed their release...

this new korg product truly is an 'innovation'.... if ti does what these initial specs say it is capable of...

starting to wonder if i shouldve waited to place a deposit on the TI :roll:

[up2p]

Nice, but...
Still TI seems to be the new standard. Unless KORG launches some "something TI" , I will still prefer Access solution.
Say a Korg Legacy TI, within some 61 key version of the Korg Microcontrol would be a VIRUS killer.
Right now, the only other company that I forecast going in this TI direction is Novation (depending on their new management...)

[ben crosland]

yep im beginning to see why access rushed their release...

this new korg product truly is an 'innovation'.... if ti does what these initial specs say it is capable of...

starting to wonder if i shouldve waited to place a deposit on the TI :roll:

I really don't think this has anything to do with why Access announced when they did - it doesn't seem to be aimed at the same market for one thing. I also fail to see how they'd have got hold of the info that far in advance? I doubt Korg would have sent them a memo ;)

BTW - my spam comment was made before the topic was moved from the forum which is supposed to be exclusively about Access products ;)

[blay]

check out the specs that timo posted in the thread linked below and you may change your mind.

click here to view the specs... (http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=2950&start=60)

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

If you look at the Novation X-station $500, It already does a lot of the TI thingy, it's a universal remote controller for hardware/software synths ,usb , VA synth, act like a sound card, etc... Of course it's not the virus, but really Access, the only novelty is the hypersaw ?
So....I am pondering...good thing I didn't put a deposit down....

[blay]

BTW - my spam comment was made before the topic was moved from the forum which is supposed to be exclusively about Access products ;)

no worries ben. :)

[blay]

I really don't think this has anything to do with why Access announced when they did - it doesn't seem to be aimed at the same market for one thing. I also fail to see how they'd have got hold of the info that far in advance? I doubt Korg would have sent them a memo ;)


well i am certainly interested in both products and the both offer similar features - at this stage from my understanding the new korg is offering VA synthesis combined with a multitude of other features - i would consider it a competitor to the TI for those in the market for a serious VA.

i wish korg sent me that memo :wink:

cheers

blay

[ben crosland]

check out the specs that timo posted in the thread linked below and you may change your mind.

click here to view the specs... (http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=2950&start=60)

I've seen them already - it's looks like an impressive beast to be sure, but it's still a different market IMO. It's a full-blown workstation with VA capabilties, whereas the TI is a much more focussed product. For many, the Oasys will be a put off due to feature bloat. For others it will be the workstation of their dreams for sure.

Even if they were to release a board with just the VA spec, it doesn't make it a TI beater - just a competitor..I'm sure they will sound different enough from each other to mean that there is room for both.

[blay]

check out the specs that timo posted in the thread linked below and you may change your mind.

click here to view the specs... (http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=2950&start=60)

I've seen them already - it's looks like an impressive beast to be sure, but it's still a different market IMO. It's a full-blown workstation with VA capabilties, whereas the TI is a much more focussed product. For many, the Oasys will be a put off due to feature bloat. For others it will be the workstation of their dreams for sure.

Even if they were to release a board with just the VA spec, it doesn't make it a TI beater - just a competitor..I'm sure they will sound different enough from each other to mean that there is room for both.

sorry ben this original message was directed at up2p.

i agree i think both units ahve their place in the market - i just hope they both start shipping at NAMM time :wink:

cheers

blay

[Timo]

There's no actual info about the physical modelling of instruments that was apparent on the "OASYS" PCI card a few years ago. The analogue and physical modelling synthesis is the stuff I'm after, although they already did the analogue aspect (AL-1). :/ No doubt they'll make a physical modelling board available sometime, if the synth doesn't already do it.

[MADSTATION]

Sounds great, but doesn't sounds like I'll be able to afford one...If 7000$ is the rumored pricetag, it's like 10 000$ CAN, that's more than 3 times the price of the TI POLAR!

[blay]

im interested to know....

this product allegedly has four high speed usd ports - i wonder if they deliver true high speed bandwidth or if it will be the same ast the TI and only deliver usb1.1 bandwidth?

[saba]

Nice, but meh.
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[blay]

Nice, but meh.

thanks for your indepth response saba :lol:

care to indulge your reasoning for this 'meh'?

costs too much? TI is better? id be keen to hear your thoughts.

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

That's another thing, why offer almost obsolete usb 1.1 when usb 2.0 has been out for at least a year already ?

[blay]

the more i read about this thing the more i like it.
the curiosity is absolutely killing me.

[Tomer=Trance]

it sure offers much but you got to remember that access is offering a simmiler product at half price if not less!

[Timo]

it sure offers much but you got to remember that access is offering a simmiler product at half price if not less!

Similar?! They're totally different beasts!

[blay]

it sure offers much but you got to remember that access is offering a simmiler product at half price if not less!

Similar?! They're totally different beasts!

from these initial specs i would say the korg unit can do most of what the TI offers, plus a WHOLE lot more....

[MADSTATION]

im interested to know....

this product allegedly has four high speed usd ports - i wonder if they deliver true high speed bandwidth or if it will be the same ast the TI and only deliver usb1.1 bandwidth?

Yeah same here...
I'm so disappointed with the TI specs regarding USB...
Firewire would have been so cool(or at least USB2).
I'm sure this would have allowed more stereo outputs when using the vst interface! Because 2 stereo is shit if you ask me!

[blay]

i too would like to have seen more bandwidth but i think it wouldve come at too much of a cost, and access works to release their successive series' at the same price as the previous....

but imagine having 16 individual channels hitting your sequencer over firewire 800 :D

[MADSTATION]

I would have paid MUCH more for this feature actually!

I have a feeling that they will eventually release a firewire version...
And that kinda pisses me off since I preordered already.

[blay]

its always been at least a couple of years between releases for access...

if you want to cancel your preorder and wait around for a couple of years for a firewire TI be my guest - in the meantime i'll send you some nice hypersaw mp3 to keep you occupied :wink:

[Merlot]

I'm sure they will sound different enough from each other to mean that there is room for both.

It would be nice for us to make that decesion ourselves. But it is kind of hard since we haven't even heard the TI yet. :wink: :wink:

[blay]

...we havent heard the korg either.
who knows - the korg unit mightnt ship for another 11 years :wink: :lol:

[Merlot]

...we havent heard the korg either.
who knows - the korg unit mightnt ship for another 11 years :wink: :lol:

Korg didn't announce that it would be released a month ago either. :wink: To be honest, I can wait on hearing the Korg. Just want to hear the TI's new osc's! :lol:

[blay]

Just want to hear the TI's new osc's! :lol:

yep - me too. :?

[ben crosland]

..And that kinda pisses me off since I preordered already.

Don't be pissed off - you're going to love the TI :) And I can promise you it'll be worth the wait.

Another thing to remember is - there will doubtless be feature enhancements in future upgrades, just as there have been with all previous Access products. I wonder how many free upgrades there'll be for the Korg AL board?..

[ben crosland]

I'm sure they will sound different enough from each other to mean that there is room for both.

It would be nice for us to make that decesion ourselves. But it is kind of hard since we haven't even heard the TI yet. :wink: :wink:

Well, you only have to look at the specs - Wavetables and HyperSaws don't seem to be implemented in the same way at all. In fact, even if both synths featured the same kind of wavetable oscillator, they would doubtless contain completely different wavetables. On top of this, the filters will sound different for sure, as will the effects. The overall sonic signatures are bound to be different anyhow.

[MADSTATION]

I agree with Ben, but since the market and music in general is flooded with the classic Virus sound, for quite a few people it might be more interresting to look @ what Korg is looking to achieve.

The wavetable feature of the Virus is AWESOME, BUT since we have so few details, it's almost fair to assume that there is a catch somewhere.

Hypersaw should be very interresting tho.


Don't get me wrong, I'm still in love with the Virus sound ;)

[Bjorktribe]

if you want to cancel your preorder and wait around for a couple of years for a firewire TI be my gues

Has anyone else been wondering why The USB2 spec is being picked up so slowly? It may cost extra money to put in a unit but I think people aren't going to mind paying for something that isn't already being outdatted. :?

[grs]

It may be possible that the new AWSOME stuff on the TI doesn't measure up to everyone's expectations. I mean take the vocoder in earlier viruses for instance.

[Merlot]

Don't be pissed off - you're going to love the TI :) And I can promise you it'll be worth the wait.

Ben,
make sure to put on a good demo this year for sonicstate.com :lol:

Another thing to remember is - there will doubtless be feature enhancements in future upgrades, just as there have been with all previous Access products. I wonder how many free upgrades there'll be for the Korg AL board?..

That is one of the main reasons why i am simply waiting for the TI and havent jumped ship to the g2. Albeit the G2 is a completely different beast, it has caught my eye. :lol:

[ben crosland]

Ben,
make sure to put on a good demo this year for sonicstate.com :lol:

What are you trying to say? ;)

[Merlot]

What are you trying to say? ;)

This is going to be the first showing of the TI to the public (hopefully), so make the wait worth our while! :D Please, demo some of the new osc's (which I am sure you are already going too), we already know what the filters sound like. :P

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Boys and girls......

I woke this morning after a nightmare i couldnt remember. I had breakfast and a nice cup of Earl Grey Tea.......and then something hit me....

The specs of the new Korg look impressive. But sadly this isnt as innovative as first seems. All these technologies have been existence in one form or other for some time. True, this is a keyboard that brings it all together.....but it would appear to be at cost. Now I dont know about you....but for me, there is a significant difference affording a ?1500 synth as opposed to a ?4000 one.

I have to say I was never tempted

DS

[Juho L]

There's no sense in comparing Oasys and Virus TI. Oasys is a real all-around workstationg, when Virus TI is a top notch VA. Also this "Virus TI killer" speak is total nonsense. I can bet my arm that Oasys won't have even near the same quality VA section as Virus TI does. Afterall Access has focused 100% on VA's for years when Korg has been wokring more on sampling stuff and done just few silly VA's that didn't rival with Virus even when Access was young company.

I'd say that Oasys is good, but not as good on VA section as Virus TI.

Damn. I can't wait till next Thursday when the official Oasys details are released. I'm most interested in the pricing. I really, really, really hope that Korg doesn't overprice it... It would be shame if Korg would ruin their first good product in a decade by ridiculous pricing.

[F5D]

I'm not very excited on this new korg synth if those are the specs. I mostly need virtual analog/analog synths. I had a Korg Z1 earlier and I both liked/hated it but these days we have all kinds of software to do sounds. For physical modeling, the new Sculpture in Logic7 may be the best one available. This new korg can be a great synth but who's gonna buy it if the price will be $7000? Maybe Jarre. :lol: I doubt that any company will bring us a new synth at NAMM 2005 which would be better than the Virus TI. The Virus C already is quite a synth.

[Juho L]

I'm not very excited on this new korg synth if those are the specs. I mostly need virtual analog/analog synths.

Yup. Afterall the new Korg is for players. Brilliant work horse on stage. It has everything you need: Hammond modelling, VA with nice wavetablestuff and sampling. It also good for recording a band and making allaround stuff from quick demos to even fully finished stuff.

This new korg can be a great synth but who's gonna buy it if the price will be $7000? Maybe Jarre.

Yup. I believe this new Korg will be a great synth. Only thing that can ruin it is the price (or the plastic samplings, but I hope it's the past... Ih ope...). I really fear that the price is too insane. I'd be ready to pay lots for that synth, but too much is too much.

[Merlot]

physical modeling, the new Sculpture in Logic7 may be the best one available.

You are not lying. Sculpture is freakin amazing. The physical modeling and fx section on it are top notch.

[Gopal]

I too must comment that it should have been firewire, and I don't think that would have significantly altered the price seeing as I put a firewire card in my computer for less than 30 bucks when I got my MOTU

[MADSTATION]

I'm really wondering what the VA section will sound like...
They mention ultra-low aliasing osc delivering crisp and spot on high freq response, that's a very interresting feature since I believe the aliasing on the virus is one of the worst I've ever heard.

Maybe they will make the whole thing available in separate modules as well...Would be quite cool!

[Juho L]

I'm really wondering what the VA section will sound like...

Medicore at best.

I believe the aliasing on the virus is one of the worst I've ever heard.

Won't be a problem on TI.

Maybe they will make the whole thing available in separate modules as well...Would be quite cool!

I might say that this is one of the won't-happens - unfortunately.

[F5D]

Does the new TI line use higher sample rate for processing? The converters sure are better but that doesn't affect on aliasing. In my opinion, the aliasing is a very big part in virus sound. It won't sound virus anymore if they make it free of aliasing like Alesis Ion etc.

[Juho L]

Does the new TI line use higher sample rate for processing?

196kHz 24-bit internal processing...

[MADSTATION]

If there is much less aliasing on the TI...Then the thing is gonna sound different(I would be happy with that but I can see why some ppl would not like that)...Unless aliasing is a new option on the TI(set the ammount of aliasing, dont know if thats possible), quite a few patches would not sound the same no?

[Juho L]

The higher processing rate wont change the overall sound (unless the algorithms aren't the same). The aliasing is just reduced and the overall itnernal mixing is smoother.

[MADSTATION]

Thanks :)

[F5D]

196kHz 24-bit internal processing...

Can you please give me a link to the original information page. I only found the info that the converters are 196kHz 24bit (Access Music website).

In fact, if the system now runs @ 196kHz, the DSPs must be many more times faster than the previous ones because I think the Virus B/C uses only 48kHz processing? So they should have used 4x the power of the C's DSP to reach 196kHz and then another 3-4x to reach the huge polyphony count. I still don't believe that they use 196kHz internal processing. If they did, they would have talked much louder about aliasing free synth (which virus definitely hasn't been).

But I may be wrong. It would be very cool to see and hear a virus free of aliasing.

[Juho L]

Can you please give me a link to the original information page. I only found the info that the converters are 196kHz 24bit (Access Music website).

Now you can ask yourself: What one would do with 196kHz 24-bit DAC's if the DAC is feeded with data that's not even a half of 196kHz? They want to sample the same data over and over again for just in case? If the internal processing resolution would be, for example, 48kHz, then they would use 48kHz DAC's, because any rate higher of that would be waste.

Remember that TI has two top-notch DSP's.

Edit: By the way, isnt the B/C series sampling in 96kHz...

[Merlot]

Is anybody here contemplating using the TI as your soundcard via the outputs? Just curious. Defenitely cant replace built in mic pres, but might be nice for an on the go laptop/virus studio.

[F5D]

Can you please give me a link to the original information page. I only found the info that the converters are 196kHz 24bit (Access Music website).

Now you can ask yourself: What one would do with 196kHz 24-bit DAC's if the DAC is feeded with data that's not even a half of 196kHz?

Remember that TI has two top-notch DSP's.

Edit: By the way, isnt the B/C series sampling in 96kHz...

Well, many systems use 96kHz or even 196kHz converters even they don't always/never work at that frequency. It's just popular these days and the product sells better if they use converters with higher sampling rates.

Even my RME soundcard can handle 196kHz but I usually work at 44kHz.

The new clavia nord lead 2x for example uses much better converters compared to the original nord lead 2 but the synth engine is still the same.

I guess the better converters are included with TI because one can use it also as an audio interface and high sample rates are very popular today. I still don't believe that the virus engine would run @ 196kHz untill I hear it from access.

I just want to hear / read the facts. I'm not absolutely sure about the sample rate of B/C, but I will search for information and report here whenever I'll find it. I use the virus powercore plugin @ 44/48kHz and it sounds all the same as virus B desktop. I have had a Virus B and a Virus KC and I have done lots of comparing between them.


Edit.

At least the Virus TI's spdif connector works @ 44/48kHz.

I sent email to access support. We will know this soon...

[Merlot]

Even my RME soundcard

Lucky Bastard! 8)

[Merlot]

Video posted. Disclaimer - havent watched it yet!

http://namm.harmony-central.com/WNAMM05/Content/Korg/PR/OASYS-studio.html

[Merlot]

the video is 30 minutes long!

[Juho L]

MUAHAHAHAHA! Good Lord this sounds like crap! The same drums as on Triton series... No... NO! ?????????!

I can only say no-one will buy this, really. No-one.

Edit: For a second I thought Korg had made something totally incredible, but Korg did what I should have expected from Korg: Bad sounding overpriced junk.

I'm really dissapointed. All this waiting for another overpriced Triton-sound-a-like.

[3o3]

Bwahaha. Piece of.. I don't think this will end well for Korg

[Merlot]

Got to admit that I did like those harmonics he got out of it when he was playing the acoustic guitar. That was pretty sweet!

[Merlot]

Is anybody else wondering why they spent soooooo much time on the PCM side of the synth. We could hear all that stuff in the triton. They need to showcase more of the VA/Physical modelling/FM/. . . . . . . . .

[Merlot]

Alright, prices confirmed. $7999 and $8499 at sweetwater. This is the demise of Korg. F#$%in unbelievalbe. All it is is a remodeled triton case with a 10-year old chip in it.

[Juho L]

Alright, prices confirmed. $7999 and $8499 at sweetwater. This is the demise of Korg. F#$%in unbelievalbe. All it is is a remodeled triton case with a 10-year old chip in it.

Yup. When Korg had its slight monopoly it forgot how to compete. Instead of new products and lower prices Korg competes with old products and higher prices.

[Panopticon]

I have to agree, the sounds on the video did not impress me in the least. I have a Triton Pro-X, which has been relegated to sampling use during live performances (because the sounds in the unit are just not up to snuff). As a live performance tool, I think the Triton is fine. However, if they really intended for the OASYS to be such a studio/production workhorse, why didn't they hire better people for the sound design aspect of it? I can't see many people buying one. Let's, see, for about the same price, you can have a Mini, Virus Ti, Fantom, and couple lower priced rack units.

Also, the OASYS would look cool onstage, but who wants to an $8000 board into a live performance situation and risk water, shock, or the occasional guitar falling onto it? Doesn't do it for me...

[F5D]

Can you please give me a link to the original information page. I only found the info that the converters are 196kHz 24bit (Access Music website).

Now you can ask yourself: What one would do with 196kHz 24-bit DAC's if the DAC is feeded with data that's not even a half of 196kHz? They want to sample the same data over and over again for just in case? If the internal processing resolution would be, for example, 48kHz, then they would use 48kHz DAC's, because any rate higher of that would be waste.

Remember that TI has two top-notch DSP's.

Edit: By the way, isnt the B/C series sampling in 96kHz...

Ok, I promised to come back with real information. I asked about this from access support and they answered:

"thanks for your mail. the default sampling rate of the Virus is 48k (which is an excellent compromise
in between voice count and quality of sounds). the new converters used sound a lot better than the
ones used in the virus b/c even though we do not use them in 192khz mode right now."

So the virus engine runs @ 48kHz as I supposed.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

What gets me is that Korg says its 10 years in the making.....kinda leading you to believe that they've litrally spent 10 years, 365 days a year researching and designing it. The reality they probrobably spent 18months.....once the processing power became available.

Well...thats what i think anyway. $8000 is way too pricey for the average guy.....

If they made a 16 voice true analog using discreet parts then id consider it.

DS