which mordern anelog synth can make 303's sound perfect.

[dasich666]

I will buy 2 or 3 analog synth.to make Goa Trance,EBM.and I really need the perfect's 303 sound.
Is the Revolutionary synth perfect? Http://www.future-retro.com
or I can buy a virus C and Lead3?
I have the JP8080 and many many softsynth.but I think all 303's sound from them are not good, not enough wicked.
So somebody can tell me some choice to make 303 sound and some other trance's wicked sound.
ThanX alot~

[Tomer=Trance]

try this
http://www.audiorealism.se/
i have heard from people who ownded an original tb303 that this sounds 1:1 with the original,all tho good digital convertors will sure help it sound better like it does with any soft synth.

[3o3]

That Audiorealism tb-303 vsti is _very_ good, but then again - it's from sweden so it's gotta be good.

It's probably the best choice for you dasich666. Analogue solutions are building an tb303 clone that will look like the original however there isn't any plans to sell it or even make an sequencer for it. And alot of it's "sound" lays in the sequencer.

So check that Audiorealism out mate. It got all the tb303-sounds you need

[Timo]

Novation SuperBassStation?

AFAIK it does the 303 stuff, and a whole lot more.

[Tomer=Trance]

no it doesnt....
the 303s on that one are not even close to the original tb 18 db filter sound.
its just resonating sounds on the novation.
the same as you get from your virus.

[dasich666]

thanks everyone.
I cann't see this web....pity~
did you listen the revolutionary's demo?
I think it's a good sound.maybe...maybe.....the revolutionary's sounds are more wicked than real TB?

[MADSTATION]

I personally own a fr777 and it's very close to the tb303 sound, but not quite it. Still a great machine tho, and the new one looks great as well(Revolution...WHY the circular shape tho?!? lol not very useful to know knob positions)

[Merlot]

nothing can match the 303's square wave, but i think theBassline (http://www.audiorealism.se/) is the way to go. The revolution is a beast also. Cant go wrong with either one.


BTW - you are buying alot of damn equipment! Lucky! :P

[3o3]

I'd still say Bassline from the audiorealism.se if you want tb303-sounds, however the Revolution-synth isn't wrong in any way either. It sure seems to be an good mono-synth and it has an nice price aswell!

Go for it!

[MADSTATION]

Yeah Future Retro products are great and the service there is second to none. However, for 303 sounds, I do use Audiorealism Bassline vst.

[dasich666]

I will buy the revolutionary.thank you all:)

[AlexHall74]

Just out of curiousity, how close does Propellerhead's ReBirth come to the original 303?

I have never heard a real 303 live, only in 100,000,000 recordings.

[Merlot]

I actually liked rebirth's 303 emulation. Like I said before, the sawtooth on a 303 is easy to emulate, it is the square that you can tell the diferences on.

[AlexHall74]

Gotcha!

I have ReBirth at home and like it.
It was my first soft synth.

[Merlot]

It was my first soft synth.

Same here! It was defenitely good to get the basics down on b/c you only had 2 toptions for sounds.

[3o3]

I will buy the revolutionary.thank you all:)

Youre welcome

I have never heard a real 303 live, only in 100,000,000 recordings.

Schh. the tb303 hasnt been used that much. h?h?, besides ReBirth sure sounds funny if compared to an real tb303.

[Gopal]

Personally I found the rebirth emulator to be good for the higher frequency tb303 type sounds but it just can't do that 'hollow plastic pipe', 'digeridoo' type low down sounds that the original is sooo good at. The 777 is leaps and bounds better and closer to the original. Just my $0.02.

[Gopal]

By the way a tb303, raw, straight into a mixing console and into a P A has to be experienced to be believed. Its quite special !!!! :)

[3o3]

By the way a tb303, raw, straight into a mixing console and into a P A has to be experienced to be believed. Its quite special !!!!

I'd say that plug in some phones and of you go for an wonderful trip. I love the tb303.

[Merlot]

Roland tb-303 = F&^%in Expensive!!! 8O

[3o3]

Merlot; It depends on how you look at it acctually in my opinion.

It's analogue / it's monophonic (and even if you don't like the sound. sample it and do something completly different with the sound). It sure is fun to go out in the park in the summer with an tb303 and other 'battery'-supplied gear, + an AMP of some sort and just jam.

People sure will come around and sit down and talk and just drink a beer and it's just fun.

I love gear that could be run on batteries.

[Hollowcell]

By the way a tb303, raw, straight into a mixing console and into a P A has to be experienced to be believed. Its quite special !!!! :)

This goes with alot of analogue gear in my opinion.

[Merlot]

Merlot; It depends on how you look at it acctually in my opinion.

It's analogue / it's monophonic (and even if you don't like the sound. sample it and do something completly different with the sound). It sure is fun to go out in the park in the summer with an tb303 and other 'battery'-supplied gear, + an AMP of some sort and just jam.

People sure will come around and sit down and talk and just drink a beer and it's just fun.

I love gear that could be run on batteries.

Yeah, I agree it is a cool piece of gear. It is just the price is too high for me. If I was going to pay that much for a monosynth, I would just keep saving for a moog.
But I do love the acid sound, and can see why some would pay the price. There are just many cheaper alternatives now in software and hardware.

[XLR8A]

I think nothing can sound exactly like 303, but lots of other synths under $1k
can make much more interesting sounds than 303. Btw, the best 303 emulation
that i ever heard is ReBirth software, no other software/hardware today is able
to emulate the 303 sound as good as ReBirth.

[Gopal]

I really don't understand people that say that rebirth sounds like a 303. Put them next to each other and have a listen.

[Doc Jones]

I read through this site looking for info on a good 303 emulation and decided to pick up audiorealism's bassline based on a lot of posts here. Oh my, it is very nice. There goes my weekend :)

[ledge]

I have a MAM MB33 mk2 at home which is a 303 clone but in hardware all analog, midi capable and you can mix between the two waveforms, plus it has a sub-socillator and distortion if you want them. the filter is an 18 dB same as the 303 and it has slide so you can get very similar sounds out of it.

there is an audio sample up on http://www.mam-germany.de/

this one was picked up on sale for around US$50 so was about the best buy for a nice piece of analog gear that I have seen :)

[Wandering Kid]

i use audiorealism bassline alot. the actual tone (of the saw wave) comes very close to a real tb. the square isnt quite right. the filter resonance also squeals. it doesnt. overall its the most accurate software representation of the tb i think although something is missing.

the real tb has this amazing quality to it - it kind pushes/punches a little bit of 'air' with each note. so theres this warm, slightly muffled hiss that accompanies the sound. i cant describe it exactly but it accompanies every note and it just gives it this warmth and presence and a little bit of dimension to the sound. play it loud and its amazing. audiorealism bassline has the tone of the saw wave down to a tee. but it doesnt push air like the real thing and loses a little punch because of it. theres no pphhhfffpphh! accompaniment. this is actually very hard to describe and im losing the battle. i hope someone out there gets the point im trying to make

[hatembr]

Many 303 users think that ReBirth is one of the best emulators, even better than hardware ones.

And seriously, for 303 sounds, get a real used 303! no other synth can sound like a real 303. Everything in that synth is special, i even heard that 2 different 303s may not sound exactly the same!

[Wandering Kid]

that might explain why kai tracid has like 10 teebees.

[Analog Warriors]

the most comparable hardware synth to an original TB303 ... is a self-solder-kit called the AcidCode ML-303, it's a perfect copy of the original with some additional features and the sound is very close to the vintage trasnistor bass from Roland ! This would be the only one i'd use ... all Teebees & Freebasses may go to hell :twisted:

http://acidcode.de/Penjus-V6-2005-05-07.jpg

http://acidcode.de/ml-303-v5-tv-packshot-2.jpg

[saba]

http://www.ladyada.net/make/x0xb0x/

[Onkel Dunkel]

the most comparable hardware synth to an original TB303 ... is a self-solder-kit called the AcidCode ML-303

Where do they sell this kit or can i find scematics somewhere :twisted:

[Analog Warriors]

http://19642.forendienst.de/index.php this is the board where you can get your answers, there is an "English spoken" threat where you can aks your questions, the admin of this board is the man you have to talk to :wink:

[Acidman]

Speaking of ML, I just saw a ML-303 v5 on sale in Sweden for about $700.

Tried to find some samples what it sounds like, but didn't find any. Since I already have TB and Rev I probably wont buy it, but I would like to hear it anyways.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

All of these emulative synths come as close as you want them to be.....but the reality is if you were to make a direct comparison then you'd immediately hear the flaws/differences.

In my opinion....if you are true to yourself and a passionate synthesist.....you will save up the money....make a few sacrificies.....and buy the real thing.

Companies these days post audio clips on the net comparing their product to the real thing. But they always use generic sounds (hmm....a sawtooth with a bit of filter) and post it as a dynamic crushing MP3. Try listening to proper wav. files and you'll hear the difference. Im sure companies could post wav. files.....but they dont :wink:

Its entirely upto. Nothing sounds like a 303 except a true analog 303. That is the plain truth. Rather than looking at an emulation that apparently gets 75% of the way there....try looking at it as the 25% that will never get there :lol:

DS

[Gopal]

Glass half empty eh DS? :lol:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Glass half empty eh DS? :lol:

:lol:

DS :wink:

[3o3]

DS: If i remeber correctly an ML-303 contains every exact bit and piece as the original TB303. If you can hear the difference in that one i bet you're really good.

I think they did some test with an 303-fanatic and the ML303 and he couldn't hear any difference and that wasn't a dynamiccrushed 128kbit encoded MP3. They did the experience live.

And every ML303 doesn't sound like the next ML303 either

[juno_nuno]

The V-synth filter section has a nice TB recreation and its capable of realistic 303 soundz... huuuu the COSM filters :wink:


I i have a friend who owns a 303 and listening to the original linked by CV to a 808 i was 8O
The bassline and the BD;hats and snare combination getting out of a top off the line genelec main monitors,are a perfect combination!!!

[k-rite]

http://www.ladyada.net/make/x0xb0x/

werd.

[Timo]

DS: If i remeber correctly an ML-303 contains every exact bit and piece as the original TB303.

Isn't that a bit dodgy, on the legal front? :oops:

[Onkel Dunkel]

DS: If i remeber correctly an ML-303 contains every exact bit and piece as the original TB303.

Isn't that a bit dodgy, on the legal front? :oops:

It?s not like Roland is making less money since they don?t make it anymore so i can?t see what the problem is :? By the way, isn?t there a max limit of years that you can patent things? I know there is with medical products...

[F5D]

By the way, isn?t there a max limit of years that you can patent things? I know there is with medical products...
It's 20 years.

Many people would like the idea that Roland and some other companies would still make analog synths but analog circuits are just so much more expensive to design and build compared to digital synths that most companies just make digital synths. And it's not sure how many analog synths Roland for example would sell now if they built the Juno and others again. So many people don't know that analog synths sound better and maybe don't even hear the difference and if you want you can download your whole studio from internet so hardware sales are going down all the time (which is sad of course).

[3o3]

Isn't that a bit dodgy, on the legal front?

I bet that Roland doesn't really care.. They are probably just happy that they could forward people to a product that is similiar to their TB3030.

It's acctually quite funny that you can find schematics for moog-filters/oscillators/MS20-filters and so on and still people pay so much for the 'real' deal. If you can alittle something something about electronics you should be able to get a working filter/osc and so on..

Pff.. I am quite pissed now