Official Word from Access

[EnjoyRC]

I hate to be the one posting this, but I just received a phone call. One of the largest musical instrument dealers in the US, which is where I purchased my TI from, just called me and told me that today they received the official word from Access that the TI series is shipping the last week of APRIL. :(

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

How official is this really? On the Access site they still disclose March 2005.

If this is true.......then another 5 weeks will be a little painful. A damn shame infact. We wait in anticipation......

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Just like to add......this thread is gonna get nasty. Cotton buds at the ready....

DS

[EnjoyRC]

How official is this really?
DS
Official as in,

"Access informed us today that they will be shipping the TI series the last week of April 2005. Yet, they probably added a week or so for cushion."

[Timo]

Must be some helluva bug, or three.... How come they mis-judged it so drastically? They've been taking out full double-page centrefold adverts in SOS since Nov/Dec last year. They must have shed loads of pre-orders. :|

Ho hum, well it gives me chance to save up for a TI, after a few other studio purchases! ;)

PS > EnjoyRC, I just took a look at your site (albeit am speaker-less at the mo due to a pending studio upgrade). The web design is fabulous! Congrats! :)

[ten]

To be honest, I cant say it wasnt expected. I wouldnt be suprised if it went back again after this aswell. Hell fuck it Access, lets go for December 05, we might as well round it up to a cool year late just for fun eh? :?

I'am still reluctant to trust anything distributors say and I think it will ship in Europe before the US anyhow.

ten

[blay]

One of the largest musical instrument dealers in the US, which is where I purchased my TI from, just called me and told me that today they received the official word from Access that the TI series is shipping the last week of APRIL. :(

DS - you were right in assuming that this thread is about to get nasty....

Its funny how a company with so much cred and respect can toss it all away in the space of a couple months.

I really am running out of things to say on this topic - i might just start posting links to my previous posts on this topic to avoid repeating myself.

any other synth manufacturers with upcoming releases should do so asap and clean up the market of people waiting for the TI....

basically this is a huge blunder on access' behalf and they are shunning the responsiblilty for their actions. using some guy with a thick british accent who isnt apparently an access employee to speculate on the release of this unit is highly unprofessional - certainly it does not befit a company with a reputation such as the one that access holds (held).

If access is to make any inroads to making amends with its preorder customers - AN OFFICIAL STATEMENT NEEDS TO MADE - not in april or may as it actually does get close to release - NOW.
4 months with no word (except a guesstimate made by a non-employee) is just is not good enough... esp for those committed enough to preorder.

So to Marc, Howard, and the rest of the team - I would like to hear a response.... and not one compiled by a political writer...

[EnjoyRC]

PS > EnjoyRC, I just took a look at your site (albeit am speaker-less at the mo due to a pending studio upgrade). The web design is fabulous! Congrats! :)Thanks. When you get a chance... hook those speakers up. There's an MP3 streamer on there.

[inasense]

This is really getting out of hand. Like all of us I have been waiting since Dec. Access stated that they would ship out the preorders in 45 days, but this was just to save public image. If they were having such problems with the Beta testing , put an offical statement out. I always depended on Access's release statments in the past, but this is getting a little ridiculous. It is a month by month guessing game. I hate guessing when I paid $ 2,750.00 dollars already on my Polar pre-order.

[ten]

Nothing wrong with guys with thick british accents :lol:

Hey, maybe they are working on a special suprise for us and have upgraded all the hardware with a full USB2 or firewire version giving all 16 audio outputs in the host sequencer....Yea like hell! haha, sort it out Access for jesus suffering fuck sake.

ten

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

LOL Ten......maybe the new Ti rejected the USB 1.1 speeds.....

EnjoyRC....ive checked out your site and music extensively.......personally im not too keen on the music...but i think its well written and very well produced (well it sounds good on a pair of 624's). Great site aswell. Hope to hear more of your tunes in the coming months 8)

DS

[tranzash]

the official word from Access that the TI series is shipping the last week of APRIL. :(


So zZ sound's date was real :(

[blay]

Hey, maybe they are working on a special suprise for us and have upgraded all the hardware with a full USB2 or firewire version giving all 16 audio outputs in the host sequencer....Yea like hell! haha, sort it out Access for jesus suffering fuck sake.

ten

thats what im talkin bout :lol:

nice to daydream over but highly unlikely :roll:

[Aurora]

As an owner of a Virus C I was sorely tempted by the TI (Was gonna sell my C)..

but in the end..purely due to the pathetic way that Access have handled this..i bought a Roland Fantom X8 and kept my Virus C..

It's a pity that such a good product/company have let themselves down to this extent..I am sure we understand that developement of a synth like the TI takes a lot of time.. However..you can fool some of the people some of the time.. but not all of the people all of the time..

Virus users seem very loyal.. and i am sure that Access are aware of this.. However you can only play on our loyalty for so long..

They should start up a taxi firm.. It'll be with you in a minute luv, it's just pulling into your street.... yeah right!!!!!

I would think alot more of them if they kept us in the loop along the way and were realistic

It's a real poor show

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Guys in a way its good u all have this reaction to how the Ti is being handled. In a strange way it shows a passionate commitment to a good product. Yes, its no fun not knowing whats going on.....however it would be a greater shame if no-one cared. The reality is there is no other VA on the market which can do what a Virus can do.......and for that privilage sometimes we have to wait.

At first it became annoying to me to have to wait etc etc. But now....im about to undertake a shitload of stressful uni exams. From my point of veiw a major distraction wouldnt be too cool.

Id just like to state the bleeding obvious. One has to assume Access are very well aware of the fact they've made an error of judgement on how long its going to take to materialise. Its about time we really do give them a break and stop busting balls...... The reality is comapanies are unlikely to admit an error....just as Tony Blair wouldnt conceede it was a mistake to go into Iraq. This is just life. I for one am just patiently waiting for the Ti to arrive.....whenever that might be.

DS

[blay]

...are you still trying to get that tshirt out of them DS? :wink:

:lol:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hehe Blay.....ive already had it delivered. Im featured in their broucher.....

DS

[MADSTATION]

Since the specs were out months ago, it's fair to assume that the hardware units are built and they won't make a revision anytime soon.
Software is the problem and it's no surprise. However, for all these months of delay, it has to be a FUCKING HUGE problem no?


And regarding "full USB2 or firewire version giving all 16 audio outputs in the host sequencer"...That's unfortunately too good to be true :(

[markorbit]

If this is true I'm lost for words. 8O That Clavia G2X is starting to look more and more appealing.

[soulidstate]

Access may have under estimated the pre orders. I guess they are polishing the TI really smoothly before they send out that hot stuff worldwide. I think the delay is better than having TIs with bugs. :wink:

[EnjoyRC]

I couldn't resist. I had to send another email directly to Access instead of hearing it through my distributor. Date of email Mar-14-2005.

Hello Mark De Lorenzo,

Thank you for your mail. The TI Line is currently in beta test. Once the software tests will have been completed we will start shipping the entire range. We don't want to rush the products out for the sake of keeping our deadlines, which we hope is in the interest of our potential users. Of ourse
we're not talking about months, but a few more weeks.

Mark De Lorenzo <EnjoyRC@yahoo.com> wrote:
1) Will the TI Series still ship in March?

[Househead]

Hello Mark De Lorenzo,
We don't want to rush the products out for the sake of keeping our deadlines,


December 2004 :roll:

[harrystainer]

We don't want to rush the products out

Say that again...be lucky to see one by December '05

[Wandering Kid]

the sad part of all this is that *you* people want it REALLY badly. hence why most of you havent pulled your preorders.

if you want to protest about these kinds of delays you would withdraw your preorder and get something else with the cash. because then its access who would lose out if alot of people did this and they would make god damn sure it wouldnt happen again if enough money was at stake. however, complaining about it on an internet message board accomplishes nothing. except maybe fulfill some cathartic rant. internet threats of 'im gonna take my services elsewhere! blah!' are impotent. nobody takes them seriously. until you are willing to back your claim and really do take your money elsewhere.

you either wait it out. or you dont. its a credit to access that they make their products desirable enough that they can fuck with their consumer base and still leave them wanting their stuff. but seriously people. if you are that annoyed about this situation and you really do not want this to become a standard marketing practice you wont give money to any company that pulls this kind of stuff.

unfortunately we come back around to that sick dillema you all find yourselves in - despite your disgruntlement you *WANT* it and nothing short of access technications raiding and pillaging your homes is gonna deter you from buying their latest and greatest. so pull your preorder. or sit back, relax, crack open a couple hundred beers and think about something else until it does get released. getting annoyed about it is just pointless.

[grs]

All you guys are so entertaining 8)
I read all your rants to pass the time....


... and wait for my TI. :roll:

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

well, I might be the only one but, f it, I cancelled my order.
Eventually might look back into the TI, or wait and see what the competition is going to pull out.
So, enjoy the TI, whenever it shows up.

[Smag]

I cancelled my order in Feb and got a Waldorf Q for ?500 which I'm really happy with. I still have some cash left over and my next purchase I reakon will be a Studio Electronics ATC-1. Waldorf for the cold digital and the ATC for the monophonic "trumpet trousers".

[Merlot]

I cancelled my order in Feb and got a Waldorf Q for ?500 which I'm really happy with. I still have some cash left over and my next purchase I reakon will be a Studio Electronics ATC-1. Waldorf for the cold digital and the ATC for the monophonic "trumpet trousers".

Was looking at the ATC awhile ago. nice monosynth. The filter representations are almost to the T also. Good stuff. Let me noiw how you dig it.

[EnjoyRC]

I wonder if there is a way to word an email to Access that would help reveal their latest projected shipping date? Instead of getting generic canned responses.

ie... Earlier this month I asked a limited answer type question: "Will the TI series ship before March 31st or after?" I only gave them the option to say before or after.

[ten]

Dude, its a complete waste of time. Its pretty obvious Access dont have a fucking clue themselves, and they have already missed several dates by a LONG margin.....total waste of time, forget about it and just wait like the rest of us.

ten

[tranzash]

Hopefully we don't hear another 45 days release from the messe :(

[EnjoyRC]

total waste of time, forget about it and just wait like the rest of us.

ten
Do I have a choice? My point was.... I am simply curious for planning reasons. I've been using Vanguard, and Albino2 for certain tracks in the studio. Yet, when performing those songs live, I'd rather play them on a hardware synth. Not a VST.

[ten]

Well if youve been reading the board over the last few months you will see that Access has given several release dates and missed them all. So there is no reason to believe that they will stick to any new date they give you. And planning any new songs around said dates would be the worst thing you can do after seeing how long this piss take of a release is taking.

ten

[Doc Jones]

I thought I would post this for those who don't subscribe to the access mailing list. It doesn't say much, but at least it is "official".

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Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2005 17:57:03 +0200
From: Jay Vaughan <jv@access-music.de>
Subject: Re: ship date - TI
To: Access GMBH product forum <access-list@ampfea.org>
Cc: audio exchanger <audioexchanger@hotmail.com>
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At 15:42 +0000 1/4/05, audio exchanger wrote:
>What's the official word on Shipping date at present please guys?
>I'm now without VA for 4 whole months and it's getting painfull - S&S
>Synths just don't cut it man.....I need a fix....


at great personal risk i will jump out of the black helicopter and tell you that we have active real machines in the hands of a fleet of beta testers, and are actively pursuing bugs and stuff on a daily/weekly basis now .. so really the question is, how good are our beta testers and when will they say they think its worth shipping?

don't tell anyone i told you, but the beta button is on and blinking, faster and faster!! okay, back to the chopper ..

--

;

Jay Vaughan

[Nigel Harkness]

They are still very good at beating around the bush hugh.

[Timo]

Isn't it still April 1st... ;)

[i3]

This is a bunch of shite! Now thats OFFICIAL.

[blay]

This is a bunch of shite! Now thats OFFICIAL.

:lol:

here here.

cheers

blay

[tranzash]

Novamusik 's release date got changed for TI :lol:

[Hollowcell]

Novamusik 's release date got changed for TI :lol:

To what? Being to lazy to go look for myself...

[i3]

access is like a bad girlfriend always telling you what you want to hear just to get you off their ass. Im not access bashing but oops on the bad marketing. I can understand a little delay but this long. the website had a release date of december but the wavetables were half way done in january and they are just now are going through beta :? . I dont get that. why not say pre order yours today besides telling people its Unofficial release.

[markorbit]

Well, I just took the plunge and called and cancelled my TI. Been waiting since November and frankly that's enough when taking into account the promised shipping date of December and then the subsequent changes. It's now April guys. I figured that when they do show up I can still get one if I decide to. There's not much benefit of a pre-order if the stuff doesn't arrive. When it does I figure Access would have enough time to make enough of them to go round. Keeping my options open now.

[Househead]

Is this machine going to get released? or what...moan, groan, etc...again :D

This kind of thing only lets us know what it will be like when they release any future products onto the market :roll:

Some beta testing :roll:

P.s Access does it work with Cubase?. If so, ship mine.... :wink:

[i3]

for one thing it makes the vendors look bad by stating false release dates. A good rep is always good to have ya? who likes to look bad by talkin out their ass and peddling false NFO and the retail market should think twice on releasing any dates in the future for access products. The TI better do my laundry and make me breakfast after all this.

[midislut]

I am starting to believe there is something major wrong with it and that makes me worry even more now.... 8O 8O

[F5D]

I guess the synth itself works already but the integration and the drivers are at beta stage. It's not a little job to make it work ok with all the major sequencers and check that it won't conflict with any soundcard and dsp card either! I have had so many dsp card related problems earlier that if the problems with TI integration are similar they are in real trouble. It is critical that they use streaming straight into the host sequencers audio engine. Alot can go wrong there, especially with usb. :wink:

[ten]

I think personally usb (especially usb1 spec/speed) was a BIG mistake. The usb soundcards available are testament to that. Everyone I know who bought a usb soundcard had it in the bin or up on ebay within weeks. Firewire would of been oh so perfect, ah well lets see what happens...live and learn ;)

ten

[Timo]

I think personally usb (especially usb1 spec/speed) was a BIG mistake. The usb soundcards available are testament to that. Everyone I know who bought a usb soundcard had it in the bin or up on ebay within weeks. Firewire would of been oh so perfect, ah well lets see what happens...live and learn ;)

ten

Maybe they've swapped out all the USB v1.1 gubbins and replaced them with firewire connections, and that's what's causing the hold up... ;) ;) j/k

[ten]

It would probably save them a lot of time and hassle (and tech support emails) in the future if they did just that ;)

ten

[MarcTale]

I think personally usb (especially usb1 spec/speed) was a BIG mistake. The usb soundcards available are testament to that. Everyone I know who bought a usb soundcard had it in the bin or up on ebay within weeks. Firewire would of been oh so perfect, ah well lets see what happens...live and learn ;)

ten

Maybe they've swapped out all the USB v1.1 gubbins and replaced them with firewire connections, and that's what's causing the hold up... ;) ;) j/k

That?d be a dream!!!

MarcTale

[blay]

That?d be a dream!!!

MarcTale

dream on :wink:

cheers

blay

[Nigel Harkness]

So when is this Frankfurt version of the NAMM happening?

[blay]

So when is this Frankfurt version of the NAMM happening?

6th-9th April. Access' last chance.... :wink:

cheers

Blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Its not gonna come out until end of may/june........lets be realistic.

DS

[blay]

Its not gonna come out until end of may/june........lets be realistic.

DS

How about a nice big hot cup of SHUT THE FUCK UP? :wink:

Cmon DS, here I am trying to stay positive about the situation and you go around posting such nasty comments :lol: :wink:

Check out this post from Jay Vaughan on http://www.virusti.com earlier tonight....

i have no idea when things will be shipping, but i have a pretty good feeling that its going to be sooner than you guys think.. my best advice is this: wait until Frankfurt Musik Messe, which is .. wait for it .. *THIS WEEK*.

in the meantime, back to business ...


hmmm.... not sure what to make of it really.
I just hope that shipping begins sooner rather than later...

cheers

blay

[EnjoyRC]

I think there was a hidden (well, not so hidden) message in there. I bet they start shipping this week or next!

Woooo Hooooo, I'm setting up the keyboard stand for it now. The USB cable is run. Already have the SKB case for it.

How's that for positive thinking?

[blay]

I think there was a hidden (well, not so hidden) message in there. I bet they start shipping this week or next!

...lets hope so enjoyrc...
im trying not to get my hopes too high though :wink:
bring on musikmesse!!! :twisted:

cheers

blay

[Nigel Harkness]

Well here is a bit of my positive thinking, when I get back from Hawaii at the end of may my TI will be waiting for me...I hope :? .

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

LOL Blay...sorry man. Im biting my lip too you know... :wink: :lol:

DS

[i3]

i have no idea when things will be shipping, but i have a pretty good feeling that its going to be sooner than you guys think.. my best advice is this: wait until Frankfurt Musik Messe, which is .. wait for it .. *THIS WEEK*.

in the meantime, back to business ...


eh great! more wishfull thinking!!!

[MADSTATION]

Is Jay's post on virusti.com really from Jay Vaughan?

There is no mention of Access @ this year's Frankfurt Musik Messe...

Time will tell :)

[monads]

Reading this thread, I can't believe it hasn't been released yet 8O I thought for sure by now. No doubt people have canceled orders. I wonder if the people who sold their 'C' to get a Ti miss the C?

I went through a similar thing with the Lynx Aurora AD/DA converter, announceed way back in October of 2004. Got on the pre-order list December. Release dates pushed back. Here it is April with a new forecasted release end of month. I couldn't hold on to my order :cry: But I did find a better alternative :lol:

[Derek]

I guess the theory that the TI would be released by Musikmesse was false. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the holdup is caused by that USB 1.0 port. I read that the TI will be able to act as a dual DSP engine for your software. If that's the case I wonder why they didn't make the thing Firewire? No doubt some genius can get it to work, but wouldn?t it have been much less painful to just make it Firewire and be done with the headaches?
Streaming audio, midi and real-time dual DSP all through a single USB 1.0 port just seems a bit much. If it?s so practical why is it that all the DPS boxes I see are either USB 2.0 or Firewire. You don?t see any with built in DSPs that are USB 1.0. I?m sure with the right minds working on the problem it could be done through a serial cable or even a parallel port, but why bother with all that when you could just make it Firewire and release it on time?
It must be the German way, look at the Porsche 911?. It was a silly idea to stick the engine in the boot, but they wouldn?t let it die. The just engineered the crap out of it until it worked.
So Access must be in the denial stage. I?ll bet right now there are a team of engineers trying to figure out how to make that USB 1.0 port work just as well as USB 2.0 and Firewire.
At this rate it should be ready just in time to go skiing in hell.

[F5D]

...and to make it work with every sequencer, soundcard driver and dsp card without clicks and pops. Why didn't they just release the synth as a usual synth without total integration and say that it will be included in the next os which is coming soon...? People would be already playing their Virus TI's the way they were playing their C's.

[EnjoyRC]

...and to make it work with every sequencer, soundcard driver and dsp card without clicks and pops. Why didn't they just release the synth as a usual synth without total integration and say that it will be included in the next os which is coming soon...? People would be already playing their Virus TI's the way they were playing their C's.Best suggestion I've heard yet. I've been thinking this for quite some time.

[Timo]

...and to make it work with every sequencer, soundcard driver and dsp card without clicks and pops. Why didn't they just release the synth as a usual synth without total integration and say that it will be included in the next os which is coming soon...? People would be already playing their Virus TI's the way they were playing their C's.Best suggestion I've heard yet. I've been thinking this for quite some time.

Otherwise they wouldn't've been able to launch it as being called the "TI"? The "TI" bit is their selling point. Otherwise they'd have called it the Virus D ("VD", oh how we chortled). Maybe the TI does have a disease? :lol:

Maybe they should've called it the Access MRSA.

hoho

[acid1]

i thought the usb 1.0 thing sounded fishy also

[MADSTATION]

I don't believe Access would release an unfinished product.

I would really LOVE to have a firewire or usb2 TI, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Let's hope it works exactly as its supposed to coz I have to agree with you guy, I just don't get why they decided to go USB1.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I only have one slight concern over the Virus Ti (and it maybe unfounded...so plz excuse me if im wrong). But I keep hearing this issue of USB 1 speeds limiting the streaming capabilities of the TI. I would like to think Access have 'totally' taken this into account...and its not just some 'built-in' shortcomming that will become the selling point of some TI-Mkii version. Do ya catch ma drift.

DS

[Wandering Kid]

the all new access virus TI turrrrrrbo!

double the streaming horsepower of the access virus TI via USB 2.0 for some supercharged, souped up playback!

id buy that for a dolla!

an extra band on the built in EQ for radical new sound shaping possibilities!

wow! awesome!

new r-r-r-r-radical colour scheme in blazing red and black!

its like the virus classic. only come back from the dead. with an army! whoaaaa!

in addition the all new, all conquering virus TI engine OS has been upgraded from 6.51 toooooo...

6.511

adding amazing new features such as the ability to change the colour of the backlit screen. wow!

yours for the one time only price of 1499.99

DISCLAIMER:
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
refund on access virus TI model and/or part exchange expressly forbidden. access incorporated reserve the rights to modify the virus TI design without prior notification of you, the consumer and release subsequent 'iterations' of the virus TI to be named any varient on 'turbo,' 'xtreme' (with an x. it MUST be with an x because its more xtreme this way) or any other pansy ass word which emphasises speed and power in order to trick you, the consumer into shelling out for another synth which is essentially the same as the previous virus TI 'iteration' only with its deliberate design limitations 'fixed' in order to make even more fat wads of dough from subsequent 'iterations' of the virus TI range. we have cleverly designed this disclaimer such that at the average US national reading speed and at the tiniest font size, it takes you, the consumer so long for you to read this far that we regret to inform you - your cheques have already cleared. we are now bathing in your money. you are now enslaved by our end user license agreement. HAR HAR HAR! see ya laterz sucka.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I'll buy dat for a dollar!!!!

DS

[Wandering Kid]

access dealer: sorry son. you need one thousand four hundred and ninety nine of those dolla bills to get one of these here super charged puppies.

access customer: but i already have an access virus TI.

access dealer: but does it have turbo after the name?

access customer: ...well. no. but-

access dealer: then you lose! you need to have the turbo bit. otherwise you are *nothing*

access customer: ok. can i exchange my existing model for this new turbo thingy?

access dealer: heheheh. read the EULA sucka.

fake edit: i apologise to all access employees for this blatantly evil characterisation of your company - i dont think you are really evil ;)

[ledge]

did this get posted on the forum? It was on the virus mailing list....


Dear Virus List,

Recently, we started our official beta test of the TI. This may sound vague,
but it represents a real milestone for the product. The TI hardware was
finalised months ago, and as you recently heard in "presets on parade" the
synth engine is working beautifully. The software components have taken more
time than we expected, however, as they include multi-platform drivers and
plug-ins, with proprietary components like none created before. We're
confident, however, that the end result will be worth the wait.

The wait *has* been unfortunately longer than we predicted, and for this we
apologize. Our marketing deadlines were ambitious, but it wouldn't be
acceptable for us to break from a history of releasing solid reliable
instruments when their time was right, by shipping the TI before it was
truly ready. We are grateful for your pre-orders and your patience, and we
assure you that we have neither forgotten nor neglected your investment in
our vision and this exciting product, now in its final stages.

Meanwhile, there's a hidden benefit which accompanies the wait: the time
taken by some aspects of the synth has meant time *added* for enhancing
others. For example, we have been able to offer a better selection of
optimised wavetables, and also fine tune the manual to a degree previously
unheard of for Access products (insert smiley here).

So, as Jay pointed out, "the TI rocks" and "all is good." He's right: Access
is thriving: dedicated to bringing you the best possible product at the
soonest possible date. When there is official news, I'll try to make sure
that you, the members of this list, get it first.

best, marc

PS: As for the Frankfurt show: the status quo may say "be there", but we
have found the return on that particular investment to be questionable.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hey thx man.......thats an interesting post. Good news then!

DS

[waketek]

When did you get that email???

[Timo]

Fantastic news!

That wasn't so hard was it, Access?

However, many thanks. it IS very much appreciated.

(PS > will it have user customisable wavetables?)

[blay]

why is everyone so impressed with this letter?
this was my response to it on the ampfea list....



>The wait *has* been unfortunately longer than we predicted, and for >this we apologize.

Well there is a first time for everything, and I am glad that you can
actually bring yourself to apologise for the situation.

>For example, we have been able to offer a better selection of
>optimised wavetables,

good news.

>and also fine tune the manual to a degree previously
>unheard of for Access products (insert smiley here).

nice work howard.... ;)

>So, as Jay pointed out, "the TI rocks" and "all is good."

All is not good - I did not receive my ti last december.... ;)

I think other preorder customers will agree with me that an official
statement such as this from access is long overdue... better late than
never.

if you were surprised by the number of messages on this list over the last
couple of days - dont even try to imagine how nasty this board will become
if the thing still ships with numerous bugs - by holding out for so long the
pressure has mounted....

I look forward to finally getting my TI keyboard that I preordered on
November 10.

regards

Pete Blay



bottom line - access advertised a release date which they have overshot by 4 months (nearly 6 months now since my preorder....)
of course i dont want a buggy product - i just dont want to be constantly lied to in order to prevent me from supporting other manufacturers in the meantime....
that nord stage sure looks dandy. wonder if clavia will have it shipping before the end of the year? :roll: :wink:

cheers

blay

[MADSTATION]

I really have mixed feelings about this update!

I mean, it's great that, for once, they give a status on the situation.

However, we've already been told MONTHS ago that they starting the beta testing phase. In the email, they said "RECENTLY"...

So how soon "soon" really is if "recently" means months?

That's the $2295 question! ;)

I can wait a FEW more weeks...But months? No way :)

[bj2001]

i don't see the big deal with this email advertising.
No release date, it really makes me nervous, it' near 6 month now, i pre order this synth.
I'm f*****g piss.

[blay]

I'm f*****g piss.

does this mean you are angry too? :wink:

cheers

blay

[EnjoyRC]

I haven't seen any new responses from Access for quite some time. The emails they're sending lately are worded exactly as they were a couple of months ago.

Maybe their writers are busy writing and proofing the enhanced manual instead of authoring new updated email canned responses. :wink:

[Hollowcell]

Maybe their writers are busy writing and proofing the enhanced manual instead of authoring new updated email canned responses. :wink:

Or they're busy re-writing the parts of the manual where the TI doesn't TI - if you know what I mean? :wink:

[blay]

-?stay tuned to hear the latest ETA from Frankfurt...

well musikmesse finished on the 9th - today is the 12th.

wouldnt that be strange if there was *no update* :roll:

point well made there HC.

cheers

blay

[Fumer]

You do know novamusik.com says that they're waiting for eta from Frankfirt. They told me the Access guy was there to meet with people and discuss the realease date, but they had no booth.

[blay]

You do know novamusik.com says that they're waiting for eta from Frankfirt.

Sure do. You *did* read my lost post *didn't* you? :wink:

I hope for everyone's sake - both access and it's rediculously loyal customers - that the TI ships real soon...

Welcome to the forum Fumer :D

cheers

blay

[Fumer]

Yeah I saw your post. Nova posted that eta the 2nd day of Messe I think. I spoke to them on the phone since I et all my synth gear from them....they're 30 minutes from my pad. I guess their phone is ringing off the hook of peole bithcing about the TI lol. Thanks for the welcome. I made a few posts on vuristi.com, but there appears to be more action here. I need something to read and tide me over. I've been prepaid for a while now. It didn't bother me at all, the lateness, until I found out they had no booth or news at Musikmesse. Ever since then I've been getting pissed off, though slowly. It's like when I try to call one of my friends and for 4 weeks straight all I get is his damn answering machine on his cell and then 2 weeks after that he finally returns my call. That's is incredibly irritating....and that's seems to be the way I'm becoming over the TI...keep calling with no answer. However, I'm paid in full and it's not hurting me financially right now so I'm staying in for the long run the twat that I am. :P

[blay]

hang in there mate - "shouldnt be too long now" :wink:

I am stupid enough to believe that shipping is getting very close....
damn it better be good when it gets here.

cheers

blay

[Wandering Kid]

dont worry - the mobile bombs will be more than worth the wait. guaranteed to get you the most bang for your buck.

mwahaha. no1 pun of the century that! mawahahah!

<ACCESS VIRUS TI - ARMED AND READY. PRESS MULTI/SINGLE TO DETONATE>

<BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP>

[Derek]

I?m thinking within the first month of the release of the TI, the new unofficial name will be the Access Virus PI (Partial Integration). You heard it first here folks.

[blay]

I?m thinking within the first month of the release of the TI, the new unofficial name will be the Access Virus PI (Partial Integration). You heard it first here folks.

:lol:

i'll pay that one derek....

how about access virus NFI? :wink:

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

What does NFI mean? Not Fucking Intergrated (yet)?

LOL

DS

[blay]

What does NFI mean? Not Fucking Intergrated (yet)?

LOL

DS

...or No Fucking Idea... take your pick :wink:

cheers

blay

[EnjoyRC]

As noted in another thread:

Availability: Due In 3 to 7 Days.

Sam Ash claims that if it's not in stock, that's their default text. Not a true quote of when it's arriving. At first they said if one was ordered today, it would be August before you got one. Then he decided to contact Access while I waited on the phone....

He contacted GFS, who is Access' primary distributor that brings them into the US, and he was informed by them, that arrival is now set in June. :roll:

[Timo]

The official word is that there is no official word! Topic closed! :lol: :roll:

[blay]

He contacted GFS, who is Access' primary distributor that brings them into the US, and he was informed by them, that arrival is now set in June. :roll:

How fucking predictable.
I am going to contact my supplier this afternoon and see what sort of deal he can arrange on a DS evolver and a lead 2x (which is what I would have had in my studio back in November if Access had not started this CRAP).

Quite frankly I would not be surprised if Access end up in the Waldorf bin.

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Blay....in all seriousness....a N2x and evolver combo would be a seriosuly cool way to go.....for obvious reasons. Remember guys.....its what suits u best that matters......waiting around doesnt help anyone.

DS

[bj2001]

i think i'm gonna buy the MFB SYNTH II & get a guitar amp too.
I will buy the VIrus 3 month after his official release, fuckin' bored waitin' to that ish !!!!

[EnjoyRC]

"The Virus TI Line will be available worldwide beginning October 3rd, 2005."

[jurebula]

Hello a newbie here,.. all you people are concerned of date,.. if Access put an update on the site, it will be delievered,...

Specially i am from Europe,. and I will first put hands on Access TI monster through my distributor Music Exports Gmbh,.. Deutschland,.. other wait till delievery,..hehe

no other synth can't beat Access growling sounds,.. go and buy chease crackled soft synths,. or roland v synth xt - which is crap-, alesis, nordleads, which is crap,.. digital breaking screaming bad sounds,.. no one can beat Access as far as sound quality,..

And Virus is made for all tastes not some goddamn detroit techno freaks,it is all around synth it's all in your fingers people,..tweak,tweak,..

big companies (roland, korg, yamaha) should put time on presets, polyphony 128, 1000 effects,.. hehe, i tryed all of them,.. no one can beat Access,.. german engineers are known famous for their knowledge in Electronic stuff,.. look this guy joerg schaffer or something from Spectralis he is creative monster, look waldorf(not anymore too bad), ,.. "brainstorming and billions of dollars" canţ create perfect synth,. but creative mind can,..:)

all the best for german manufacturers

you are the best and best luck and thank you for such a prestige mindkiller devices

best regards and no offense people
jure

[Drammy]

I agree - Access do make killer synths!

BUT, to release it 11 months after it was initially promoted is very inefficient! Not very German!

[3o3]

In Germany, you don't release virus. Virus releases you!

[jasedee]

BUT, to release it 11 months after it was initially promoted is very inefficient! Not very German!
LMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

Great call!

[blay]

BUT, to release it 11 months after it was initially promoted is very inefficient! Not very German!
LMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol:

Great call!

:)

well it seems they are finally going to come through with the goods...

cheers

blay

[Derek]

I?m thinking within the first month of the release of the TI, the new unofficial name will be the Access Virus PI (Partial Integration). You heard it first here folks.


As predicted the TI is released complete with bugs... They could have released it much earlier and by now all the bugs would be sorted out. Oh well I guess this just means I'll be able to pick one up cheap in a few months, once people get sick of the numerous little bugs.

[MADSTATION]

Derek: I agree that the synth looks buggy(I'll get mine in a few hours, I'll post a complete review) but nothing seems to be too major. I don't believe that if they released a year ago all the bugs would have been sorted out...What do you think they have done in the past year? Sorting out bugs! heh

I'm afraid the release was a bit rushed...I'll see :)

[F5D]

The TI's usb1.1 connection just cannot work well enough because of the usb limitations. What makes it scary is that already the customers realized this. You don't even have to be an engineer. A professor at our university was just talking about if the R&D is done too fast, there will be lots of trouble and costs later and the whole product can die. It's access' luck that from the customer's view the reputation of the company is more important than the new product's specs. Now let's hope they will fix the OS soon and get rid of the annoying bugs. I still don't understand why they didn't use firewire. If I would have been in the TI R&D project, I would have burried alive the idea of usb in a machine like this. :)

[obliterations]

Derek wrote:
I?m thinking within the first month of the release of the TI, the new unofficial name will be the Access Virus PI (Partial Integration). You heard it first here folks.



As predicted the TI is released complete with bugs... They could have released it much earlier and by now all the bugs would be sorted out. Oh well I guess this just means I'll be able to pick one up cheap in a few months, once people get sick of the numerous little bugs.

Yes it is a bit buggy with the USB integration. However aside from that its a great board if you just use it with standard MIDI. I bought it for the sound, and there is nothing on the market quite as cool in my opinion. If they released it earlier who knows what kind of bugs it would have had. Its not like they havent been working on it this whole time.

Even if they never fix the current bugs I wouild still hold on to it till the end.

[ben crosland]

As predicted the TI is released complete with bugs... They could have released it much earlier and by now all the bugs would be sorted out. Oh well I guess this just means I'll be able to pick one up cheap in a few months, once people get sick of the numerous little bugs.

You assume much, here. The current bugs are nothing more than teething-problems - an inevitability given the vast array of different systems out there, and the firmware itself is mostly very stable.

I predict you'll still have to save your pennies if you want one in a few months time..

[TommyS]

I`ve deciced to get a new pair of monitors now instead of purchasing a Ti mostly down to the USB 1 and VirusControl integration problems. Perhaps if it was firewire my views would change. I`m hoping the next next virus, if there is one, will have firewire or it`s equivalent at the time.

Any comments on this monitoring system:

http://www.abluesky.com/p_s_gb/p3s1.html

:)

[jasedee]

Seems like they are geared towards to film sound industry....

Is this what you are into????

If not, I would go for something else. Whats your budget????

[MADSTATION]

I've been playing with my TI Polar for about 5 hours and I'm totally blown away by EVERY simgle aspect of the TI. I don't know what some of you guys expected but once you set your latency right(I use 7ms which is not bad), it is really is IMPRESSIVE to say the least. I used to own a Virus KC and it doesn't sound near as good as the TI...Really worth the upgrade!

The USB interface is incredible to say the least...I had no problems exporting my stuff and had only a few crackles when changing too many parameters at once but let's face it, nothing worth crying for.

I've been really impressed, hopefully the problems won't surface in a couple of days because so far(with the latest update), everything is rock solid and really stable except one or two reboots in 5 hours which is not too bad(I have faith Access will fix this over time.

In a few days I will post various screesnhots/audio clips/pictures :)
first audio clip, was all made in less than 1 hr so the quality could and will be better:
http://www.madstation.net/virus_test.mp3

p.s. I'm glad I could turn down the LEDS intensity a bit on my TI Polar because they were so bright I thought it was chrismas!!
Awesome patches from Ben Crosland btw...Amongst the best in the pack!
And for those of you thought that Ben's face was funny demonstrating the Virus TI(I personannly loved it hah) , I'm well glad that no one can see me twisting those knobs!!!!! lol Damn this is way too much fun.

Great work Access! I'm impressed. I have total confidence that you will get rid of the very few bugs...and thanks for the red knob ;)

[Doc Jones]

Madstation, you summed it up nicely. I am blown away with the flexibility and control that I now have (plus That Sound!!!) Since I upgrade to the latest os and bios my system is quite stable.

[technomonster]

hey madstation.

your demo sounds great - was that using USB or the analog outs

[nvisibl]

The Ti is one hot mama

Ease of use = 9
Features = 10+++
Sound = 9
Manual = 8
The look = 10 for the Polar

Reliability = Perfectly fine so far, I don't experience any issues now after applying the latest firmware update.

I hope those who are complaining without even having played the machine don't ever buy one. The less electro musicians who have this thing the better for those who do. :lol: :P

[Hollowcell]

Nice demo there Madstation. Nice use of the wavetables.

To all of you with the TIs,

My demo requests are wavetables, and full dark saw patches. :D :wink:

[MADSTATION]

technomonster: Everything was recorded using the realtime export and both USB channels. I had 9 virus channels and about 2-5% cpu usage.

I'll post a better and more extensive demo in the next few days :)

[technomonster]

nvisibl wrote

Reliability = Perfectly fine so far, I don't experience any issues now after applying the latest firmware update.


hey nvisibl, what sequencer program are you using and what are the specs of your computer

[xerxes_]

technomonster: Everything was recorded using the realtime export and both USB channels. I had 9 virus channels and about 2-5% cpu usage.

I'll post a better and more extensive demo in the next few days :)


that is nothing short of fantastic!!
access really pulled thru :)

.x

[MADSTATION]

Another demo of the TI, this time it's trance tho :
http://www.madstation.net/virus_2ndtry.mp3
The sound quality of the TI is phenomenal, they just have to sort down the export issues and it will really be a Total Integration.

[F5D]

Another demo of the TI, this time it's trance tho :
http://www.madstation.net/virus_2ndtry.mp3
The sound quality of the TI is phenomenal, they just have to sort down the export issues and it will really be a Total Integration.
Nice to hear the TI in action but honestly I don't hear any difference (at least in these demos) or that the TI would sound better than the Virus B/C/Powercore. Of course the specs are better and the synth will be a joy to use if access gets the driver and usb working well but the best and most used Virus "trance sounds" for example existed already before TI and usually "trance sounds" don't include wavetables but basic waveforms.

Btw, the sounds of the first demo reminds me of the sounds of Logic Pro 7's Sculpture synth. It's not a wavetable synth but a physical modeling synth and can do some really nice weird soundscapes with exceptionally good sound quality and clarity.

[MADSTATION]

F5D: I have used my old KC patches for this one except a wavetable patch in the background for some atmosphere...Importing my kc patches in the TI was much easier that what I thought(I just opened the .mid file and I had access to all the patches in the browser). Oh and this was exported with the USB cable ONLY so NO MIDI or AUDIO cables used...


I still firmly believe that the TI is the best thing that could come my way since I've been using software synths mostly for the past 3 years...
I have quite a lot of synths collecting dust(jp8080,fr777,ks4,juno2,etc.) since I have trouble with the hardware workflow...It just isnt for me so TI fixes that :)