Official TI presets demo!

[ben crosland]

Thought this deserved a new thread..

Click the link on the front page of the access home page (http://www.access-music.de)

Enjoy 8)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Im listening to it now.....

DS 8)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Really nice sounds in there Ben! I can hear myself doing some really 80's stuff with that wavetable! Hyper saw sounds fat lol.....

DS

[MADSTATION]

Is this for real? I can't believe it!

I havent even listened yet..I mean, this is surreal! hah

[EnjoyRC]

I hate this demo :wink: he he he he

The sounds are so cool... and I don't have my TI yet....

What a tease!!!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Is it me or does the wavetable sound bloody good!

DS

[MADSTATION]

Oh my god, the sequence and the sound at 3:03 kills me. I so can see Ben's face moving on this one. Awesome stuff.


Damn that synth has attitude.
I'm not disapointed in the trance thing that starts at 0:40 seconds or so, but I'm not all that excited for some reason. I kinda sounds a bit generic, I would have prefered to hear this dry to really see how clean this is supposed to sound!


Good job
:)

[ben crosland]

Oh my god, the sequence and the sound at 3:03 kills me. I so can see Ben's face moving on this one. Awesome stuff.

You need to imagine Marc's face for a more accurate recreation of the moment that sequence was played ;)

[marc]

Oh my god, the sequence and the sound at 3:03 kills me. I so can see Ben's face moving on this one. Awesome stuff.


Damn that synth has attitude.
I'm not disapointed in the trance thing that starts at 0:40 seconds or so, but I'm not all that excited for some reason. I kinda sounds a bit generic, I would have prefered to hear this dry to really see how clean this is supposed to sound!


Good job
:)

the hoover sound is certainly not the most innovative sound ... well, it is a hoover sound ;)

the interesting bit is that there is not much effect on it at all. in fact it is the long release time that sounds like a reverb. recording it, i had so many voices to my disposal that for the first time playing a virus it felt like i didn't need to take polyphony into consideration at all.

it took 5 hrs to record all the demos. it was fun and inspiring. to be honest, much more fun than doing demos in the recent years because you can feel that something fundamentally has been added to the sound of the virus. i'm looking forward to do more demos and once we loads of sound designers on the case we will know how deep the rabbit hole really goes.

another eye opener i had with the production was the power of only one of the new oscillators. there for instance is a belly pad which sounds perfectly cool and expected but after a short while another character adds to the sound. the bells are wavetables created by the first oscillator and the addition is a high passed very broad hypersaw that sounds so lush that i needed to check if it's really just one oscillator.

another cool thing that probably got lost within all that specs about the TI is that when you switch a patch and you hold the notes the TI actually plays the old patch as long as you hold the notes while new notes are being played with the new sound. and this goes for the FX (including reverb and delay) as well. the old patch continues to have its dedicated delay/reverb setting and does not interfere with the new sound at all

best, marc

[hatembr]

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[MADSTATION]

Thanks for the info!

another cool thing that probably got lost within all that specs about the TI is that when you switch a patch and you hold the notes the TI actually plays the old patch as long as you hold the notes while new notes are being played with the new sound. and this goes for the FX (including reverb and delay) as well. the old patch continues to have its dedicated delay/reverb setting and does not interfere with the new sound at all


This sure does sounds cool! As is playing on the virus wasn't fun enough! hah

I really can't wait to receive mine...I wish I kept my kc in the meantime hah

[hackborn]

Thanks much to marc and ben for the demo! My feelings on it are mixed -- the sounds are fairly standard pad/lead sounds, albeit with some of the nice, subtle complexity the wavetables can bring. On the flip side, this is the first virus demo I've heard that has that smooth, rich, high-frequency, glassy sound I typically associate with 'expensive,' so that's great. Overall, for what I like, the patches sound decent, but the quality sounds excellent.

I don't know if it's just the demos or if it's actually a limitation of the virus, but I've never once heard anything but usable sounds in a demo. I tend to like the more crazy, heavily modulated sound effect-type stuff.

At any rate, it's just nice to hear something. Thanks!

[Merlot]

I don't know if it's just the demos or if it's actually a limitation of the virus, but I've never once heard anything but usable sounds in a demo. I tend to like the more crazy, heavily modulated sound effect-type stuff.

At any rate, it's just nice to hear something. Thanks!

I am feeling the same on the demo. it was nice, but I wasn't blown away. I think it was something from Access to hold over the buyers, that is why they used mostly "expected" sounds you would want to hear. They knw people are getting anxious and deciding to split from the TI pre-order camp. This move was to give those people just a little teaser that would possibly keep them hanging on for longer.

[Nigel Harkness]

I hope Access doesn't hope to hold us over for another month and a half with this demo, so now the important question is what is the release date looking like? (and just please be honest for the love of god!)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I don't know if it's just the demos or if it's actually a limitation of the virus, but I've never once heard anything but usable sounds in a demo. I tend to like the more crazy, heavily modulated sound effect-type stuff.

Ummmm why exactly is useable sounds in a demo a problem? LOL....of course were talking about synths here.....if you have the imagination...you can make almost anything on a synth. You wanna hear a Virus do made shit?

Check out this: Virus Insanalized (http://www.perkristian.net/music/PerKristian_VirusInsanealized.mp3)

As I say...its all down to your expertise and imagination.

DS

[F5D]

if you have the imagination...you can make almost anything on a synth. You wanna hear a Virus do made shit?

Check out this: Virus Insanalized (http://www.perkristian.net/music/PerKristian_VirusInsanealized.mp3)


Not bad, not at all! This was great but maybe a little too short. Double the length! :D

[marc]

Thanks much to marc and ben for the demo! My feelings on it are mixed -- the sounds are fairly standard pad/lead sounds, albeit with some of the nice, subtle complexity the wavetables can bring. On the flip side, this is the first virus demo I've heard that has that smooth, rich, high-frequency, glassy sound I typically associate with 'expensive,' so that's great. Overall, for what I like, the patches sound decent, but the quality sounds excellent.

I don't know if it's just the demos or if it's actually a limitation of the virus, but I've never once heard anything but usable sounds in a demo. I tend to like the more crazy, heavily modulated sound effect-type stuff.

At any rate, it's just nice to hear something. Thanks!

first of all, when i do demos normally i have a virtually unlimited amount of sounds to my disposal (there is about 5000 on the access site...). here, i had about 20 and they were specifically designed to show what's new (only using the new oscillator types).

as for the "usuable" sounds, we will take that in. i never thought that a demo can ever cover exactly what you would do yourself. so indirectly i just covers what I would do with the sound in this moment. point me to a link of what you expect and i happily will listen to it.

what somebody described as expensive wasn't designed for a sales reason at all (apart from the fact that we live from selling our synths of course). it's just the way those oscs sound. a wavetable clearly has a clarity to it which was not possible to program with the traditional VA oscillators. if it would, we wouldn't felt the need to develop wavetable oscillators in the first place. we wouldn't implement a new oscillator without knowing that it would add a lot to the sonic arsenal.


marc

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Well Marc & Ben.....from what ive heard in that demo...its enough to convince me that it'll be capable of the kinda sounds I wish to make. Funny enough, I personally wont be using the hyper saw for cliched trance leads....ill be using it more in an ambient/experimental sense.

I think some of these presets are *very* well programmed. Some really beautiful tones.....im happy you resisted the urge to make a trance demo! I expect most people who complain are the ones who cant program shit. Its important people remind themselves that synths are capable of an almost infinite pallette of colours......

Just my opinion of course....

DS

[tranzash]

hehe, cool wow! the Internal sync leads are so phatty, nice wavetables indeed :D

[Hollowcell]

I think the demo Ben did at Namm was maybe a little more inspirational for me. It showed more of what could be done in my own hands.

The sound at about 3.20 is very cool indeed, but that was the only sound that I felt had real guts. The wavetables sound, um....OK - maybe if user waves become an option it would help. Also not sitting down with it myself and modulating the wavetables doesn't give a good idea, but still....

Anyway, you can hear the new features have opened up cool sound designing posibilities, now it's the wait for more programmers to try their hand at it.

I'll make some patches for you if you guys send me a free one by the way! :D

[Merlot]

I expect most people who complain are the ones who cant program shit.

That is a bold statement my friend. Wasn't complaining about the capabilities. I was saying I was not too impressed with what was done on the demo. I myself liked the video better also b/c you could hear the raw waveforms, and could imagine what you might create with them. not some presets that Ben created and marc arranged.

JJust my opinion though

[Bjorktribe]

I'm impressed. Each of the sounds was only one preset right? They're so rich! Nevermind the 'trendy' just open your ears to the possibilities! Not many pices of hardware can have so much movement per patch. I won't cancel my pre-order afterall! I have to pay rent and bills, so I have to sell a synth . . AHHHHH!!!

[Wandering Kid]

shit! you scumbags.

you have made me want one now :( and the sad part is, i cant afford one for the forseeable future owing to the 20 grand debt my degree has saddled me with. shit shit shit!

[Bjorktribe]

Update . . .

I just had to cancel my order to afford moving this month.
Damn it! I have to start all over. I have no Virus. Friggin A, Why are places so damn expensive?

[Merlot]

Update . . .

I just had to cancel my order to afford moving this month.
Damn it! I have to start all over. I have no Virus. Friggin A, Why are places so damn expensive?

EBAY HERE YOU COME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:

[ddeez]

how can you guys tell whats a wavetable and whats not?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

That is a bold statement my friend. Wasn't complaining about the capabilities. I was saying I was not too impressed with what was done on the demo. I myself liked the video better also b/c you could hear the raw waveforms, and could imagine what you might create with them. not some presets that Ben created and marc arranged.

JJust my opinion though

Hi man.....the comment I made was not directed at anyone specific. I was just making a general sweeping statement..... :lol:

If you re-listen to the demo...and pay particular attention to the little nuances in the wavetable pads...theres alot of work gone into those.

DS

[ben crosland]

If you re-listen to the demo...and pay particular attention to the little nuances in the wavetable pads...theres alot of work gone into those.

Whilst I'm happy that it comes across like that, most of those sounds were much easier to make than they might sound. I think this is something which is hard to appreciate until you try it yourself. By their very design, the wavetable oscillators excel at complex movement.

Another thing about them is that if you take one patch that is already using a modulated table, and try simply scrolling through the tables, you instantlly create a load of new sounds. Then if you change the Index start point, or maybe something as simple as the polarity of the modulation (i.e. change LFO Assign>Wavetable Index1 Amount from positive to negative), you get a load of different sounds again. Or you could simply change the LFO Rate and Shape etc, etc..

[ben crosland]

how can you guys tell whats a wavetable and whats not?

In that demo, anything that doesn't sound like the Hypersaw is probably the wavetable oscillators. Listen for brittle, crystalline timbres - glassy sweeps and tinkly stardust in the pads..

[harrystainer]

The bells that come in at 2:30 are very nice....

[ben crosland]

The bells that come in at 2:30 are very nice....

Thanks. That patch is called 'BelisimoBC' - it's really a very simple patch, but sounds so beautiful it's difficult to stop playing it :) All I did was take a Hypersaw on Osc1 (density 9) and a pretty simple bell wave on Osc2. I then used LFO2 in env mode to sweep Osc Balance, so the bells fade into warm saws as you hold the keys. A tiny bit of lowpass filtering, some delay and chorus, and Bob's your uncle.

[ledge]

Jumping on the "I'm impressed!" train....

The last wavetable sound at 4:12 is fantastic, reminds me of later ozric tentacles stuff. So madly psychedelic :twisted:

damnit, i'm not going to be able to afford/justify one of these in the near or far future.

damnit, damnit, damnit. :cry:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I love wavetables......it reminds me of films like 'Flight of the Navigator'

God i dig that soundtrack....even though it was most likely done on the DX7. Anyways.....you get the picture....

DS

[Merlot]

Hi man.....the comment I made was not directed at anyone specific. I was just making a general sweeping statement..... :lol:

If you re-listen to the demo...and pay particular attention to the little nuances in the wavetable pads...theres alot of work gone into those.

DS

OK, Understandable, but just b/c I was not impressed by the sounds does not mean I dont respect the time that went into making the patches. I meant no offense by saying I wasn't impressed, it was just my honest opinion.
I think Ben did a great job on designing certain sounds people are most like to use. Lets be honest, this is what sells a synth anyway. Not everybody, except some people on this board and the mailing list, like to take the time and program a synth. Some poeple buy a virus, just so they can get their hands on the standard over-used sounds instead of building their own sounds. And this is what the demo is catering to I think. Lets face it. It was a safe way to showcase the features of the new tables and hypersaw. Once again there is nothing wrong that, as Access needed to finally do something of the such to keep pre-order people at bay.

BTW, did you break down and just buy that Andy8 yet?

[ben crosland]

OK, Understandable, but just b/c I was not impressed by the sounds does not mean I dont respect the time that went into making the patches. I meant no offense by saying I wasn't impressed, it was just my honest opinion.


Merlot, please detail the kinds of sounds you were hoping to hear - I'll be only to glad to see if I can make some that are more to your liking.

[Merlot]

Ben,
Thanks for the offer. If it is not putting you out in any way, I would like to hear more drone patches like the first one, except a more gritty and dark (more waves mixed with the hyper). Maybe bit-reduction and saturation used on the wavetables to give it that lof-fi, sci-fi sound (some crazy sounds you would hear on Star-Trek/battlestar galactica). How about some crazy off the wall evolving patches that you think people would have a hard time making a track with. Maybe a sine mixed with the new wavetable that evolves the morphing wavetable into a sub-bass with movement ( I can hear the sound, just aving trouble explaining it). Anything off the wall basically. i am really intrigued by the possibilities of the new wavetables.
After watching the video a thousand times, I can see the potential of the new waveforms, which I personally think you guys did a great job on the ones that were showcased. I know Access is not trying to create a replication of the waldorf, but instead branch out on their own and create something invigorating and new.
Listening to it again, I can hear the potential in the first and the fifth (i think) wavetable patches, and somewhat in the last one.

[MADSTATION]

What I'd like to hear in the patches would be a few arpeggiated patches so I can see how flexible the new arp is going to be. I hope it has variable note lenght, velocity and that you can also choose the notes(not only octave up, octave down) :)

But I totally agree with Merlot regarding drone-like patches :D

Once again, been listening to the demo in loop since it was released..Some GREAT stuff in there!

[Timo]

Nice one the Access team. :)

[Hollowcell]

Listening again, I really like the patch at 3min40. One of yours Ben?
So that gives me 2 sounds that I like here - the one at about 3min15-3min25 is very nice too.

Seeing as everyone is putting in orders on what they want to hear. I'd really like to hear it dry more Ben. :wink:

[ddeez]

thanks ben appreciate it


is that the typical sound of a wavetable?

[ben crosland]

Thanks for the inspiration! I've made a very gritty patch tonight - it's not a drone, but it's pretty dark. Look out for it in the presets - I've called it 'FormerloBC' ;)

Anyway - I'm making new patches all the time here. I'll try to take on board as many suggestions as I can.

BTW Hollowcell - yes, they were my patches you liked, but 'one' of them was actually two different ones. So in actual fact, you like 3 now! :lol:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Id like to hear some hyper saw mega pads.......and some mega 80's style synth brass.

DS :lol:

[grs]

Hey Ben, why not show off the programmable arp?
or the 80+ pollyphony? one patch, 20voices per note, four note chord!! BAM!! Even without Hypersaw or Wavetable, show us the the other 'Money shot' aspects of this beast.

:) :)

[Merlot]

Thanks for the inspiration! I've made a very gritty patch tonight - it's not a drone, but it's pretty dark. Look out for it in the presets - I've called it 'FormerloBC' ;)

I'm going to be famous and heard on dancefloors across the world. :oops: J/K. Thanks Ben, cant wait to hear it. :lol:

[Hollowcell]

BTW Hollowcell - yes, they were my patches you liked, but 'one' of them was actually two different ones. So in actual fact, you like 3 now! :lol:

Seriously, 3 isn't bad for an MP3 patch demo. :D

This may be a little off the thread topic, but what other gear do you have Ben, and how about linking us to some of your tunes? Been meaning to ask for ages, so this seems like good enough time as any.

[Wandering Kid]

i liked all of em :\ i would also like to see a mad hypersaw strings patch too with the release waaaay up and the detune so high it sounds more like a blaring dischordant trumpet (ala cosma's people on hold)

[F5D]

Update . . .

I just had to cancel my order to afford moving this month.
Damn it! I have to start all over. I have no Virus. Friggin A, Why are places so damn expensive?

In fact I guess I won't buy a TI either. It costs too much. I can get several cheaper (300-400$) modules into my rack with the price of a single TI. I'm going to search for a Virus C at first to get the virus sound again.

[Merlot]

In fact I guess I won't buy a TI either. It costs too much. I can get several cheaper (300-400$) modules into my rack with the price of a single TI. I'm going to search for a Virus C at first to get the virus sound again.

There are quite a few C models on ebay at the moment. If you wait until the TI is released, there will probably be a flood more for cheaper.

[MADSTATION]

I don't get why some of you are saying that the TI is too expensive...
I mean, I preordered with Novamusik and I get it even cheaper than when I bought my KC! Now that's a deal :)

[u4ia]

If I remember correctly, the price jumped up a couple of $100 dollars after the first two weeks the new TI was announced. So those that pre-ordered early enough I guess got a even slightly better deal :) hopefully novamusik honors the price that it was preordered at.

Damn, that was back in November, seems like a lifetime ago...... :(

[EnjoyRC]

PreOrdered what? :lol: Did Access announce a new synth?

Oh yeah... I remember now! That TI thingy.

I'm also seeing a $250-$300 USD higher price now than what I locked it in at.

[MADSTATION]

Yeah the price jumped a bit. I'm glad I ordered months ago + I got free shipping as well. And Novamusik said that they will send me a little extra since I've been so patient. Excellent service there btw.

Hopefully I'll get my TI first week of may :) That would ROCK!

I'm so excited now :D hah
I should relax a bit just in case it's delayed again ;)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I wouldnt worry about any delays......to go on about it is just nuts. The TI will be here when its finished cooking in the Kitchen. Its going to be a great synth.......and *if* there are any bugs still in it after realease....well it'll be taken care of - thats what Access do.

So lets all chill and think about making music with gear we already have.....in my case none :lol:

DS

[tranzash]

For some reasons, the wavetable drone at the end sounds like the existing spectral waves on the VC.

[ben crosland]

Just a quick heads-up - new Presets on Parade demos:

Here (http://www.access-music.de/news.php4#news81)

[ten]

nice one benny boy! :)

ten

[pseudonym]

shit! you scumbags.

you have made me want one now :( and the sad part is, i cant afford one for the forseeable future owing to the 20 grand debt my degree has saddled me with. shit shit shit!

Graduate loan maaaaaan, it's the path...

[Timo]

Thanks! My modem's chugging away. :)

For those who can't see the whole download window (the forced window size obscures most of the links for me, not sure what it's like for other people?), you can jump to the direct html page here:

http://www.access-music.de/download_audiodemo.php4

[acid1]

lol

i turned up my speakers near max and played "dark side" before giving it a first listen

that first synth is like "omfg wtf!"

[MADSTATION]

It shows very well the possibilities despite I think there isn't many "usable" sounds, at least for my usage/taste.

Still very well done...Now I need my TI :)

[tranzash]

Nice job guys, Ben, lot of your patches rocks :D


No external effects used, no compression done on the darkside demo?

[ben crosland]

Nice job guys, Ben, lot of your patches rocks :D

Thanks! But how do you know which ones are mine? ;)

[tranzash]

Hey Ben, I think I heard lot of hypersquare patches(internal sync,FM) in the demo :D

[bj2001]

Presets on parade darkside
the sound stretchin' from 4:00 to 4:30 is ganggggggggsta
:wink:

[blay]

Nice demo(s).

just wondering if these were created with the TI linked via usb to cubase, and edited on screen via software?
if not - i think we still have another few months to wait yet...

cheers

blay

[ben crosland]

Nice demo(s).

just wondering if these were created with the TI linked via usb to cubase, and edited on screen via software?

Very unlikely - Marc uses Logic ;)

[Merlot]

Very unlikely - Marc uses Logic ;)

Cheeky Bastard :lol:



J/K with ya Ben. Way to avoid it though! :lol:

[ben crosland]

J/K with ya Ben. Way to avoid it though! :lol:

TBH, I don't know how Marc recorded it, but I can see no reason why it couldn't have involved the Control plug-in and usb..

[blay]

TBH, I don't know how Marc recorded it, but I can see no reason why it couldn't have involved the Control plug-in and usb..

...just not cubase. :wink:

rather than beating round the bush:
"does it work with cubase yet ben?"

cheers

blay

[techno_7]

I hate this demo :wink: he he he he

The sounds are so cool... and I don't have my TI yet....

What a tease!!!

Yeah it aint fair for us people who cant afford it or at least dont have it :cry:

[ben crosland]

TBH, I don't know how Marc recorded it, but I can see no reason why it couldn't have involved the Control plug-in and usb..

...just not cubase. :wink:

rather than beating round the bush:
"does it work with cubase yet ben?"


Yes. I can testify to this personally as well, seeing as I am using SX3 as one of my test environments.

Marc is a Logic (Mac) user though, hence my response earlier.

[blay]

Yes. I can testify to this personally as well, seeing as I am using SX3 as one of my test environments..

then i will take mine now thanks :wink:

(assuming it works with sx2 as well....)

cmon guys - it sure sounds nice - is it ready already? :roll:

cheers

pete

[midislut]

sounds great !!

cant decide if i should sell my virus c ?

it seems it can do what the "c" does anyway....

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Very nice MP3's Ben. Some really great sounds in there to get started with. Im looking forward to using the Wavetable in conjunction with my DX7. I should have the 80's digital sound nicely covered now. Although my love for 80's sounds sometimes takes over my mind...I will be making some cool futuristic sounds aswell muahahahahah :oops:

DS

[nvisibl]

Fantastic sound from this Ti baby 8) Gimme gimme gimme

Have to remain in the infinite moment in order not to get cranky about waiting so long and bitchy about the marketing tactics of access.

I'll just get back to my Xylophone - Ooohhhmmmm

http://www.casse-noisettes.be/imusique/xylophone.jpg

Now how can I sysex dump my custom patches from this?

[midislut]

dont tell me you bought the xylophone model without midi in/out !!!!

you are realy stuffed now....

:lol: :lol:


but maybe access is testing a new cordless plugless midi cable/interface setup which you can use....we should wait and see :roll:

maybe that's why its taking so long to release

[i3]

The release of the cheezsets are nice and all but I think I would rather have it released for it to really impress me. Im starting to get blue balls here cuz access in not putting out.

[Seeyou]

Ben, I don't know if this question is answered before.
I used to own a Virus C and I sold it because of the release of the TI. I have made a lot of projects using the VC and I was wondering if I can restore my VC soundsets on the TI using SoundDiver.