I need a Virus, but do I wait for TI?

[K.E.M.]

Yeah, I was wondering if it's worth the wait, or if I should go for another Virus on Ebay, as those seem to be pretty inexpensive now, and they are readily available once I get the money to afford one.

What do you guys think?

And what model preferrably would you recommend me if you think getting another Virus is more viable than the TI?

[Merlot]

If you need one now, get the C model. The extra filters are worth the extra $$ you will pay for a C model. Not to mention the added polyphony.

[MADSTATION]

It depends on a few things..

First, do you often use VST instruments and find it more convenient than traditional hardware? If so, wait for TI.

However, the 2nd thing(and not the least!) is the release date. Nobody really knows when the TI will be released. It might be next month, it might be in 6 months...We just don't know!

I used to have a KC and it was great.

[K.E.M.]

Hmm, well the computer integration would be nice...VERY nice...

I use Fruity Loops Studio and I use a craplaod of plugins, so being able to work with it as a plugin would definately help my music ALOT...and would allow me to tweak via hardware while sequence via software..the ultimate production tool. For live performance though is another issue...

I'm looking mainly at the Virus for a VA synth to add to my rig. I play in an industrial metal band called Staat Von Kreig. If you wanna hear us, check out our Myspace profile.

http://www.myspace.com/staatvonkreig/

That is basically the gist of the sounds I make..I do synth drums, and all other synth sounds. So yeah...lol.

[MADSTATION]

I don't think that TI will be compatible with Fruity tho.
I used to use Fruity but when TI was announced, I switched to Cubase since the host needs to be compensated for delay...and fruity can't do that!

[harrystainer]

kiss goodbye to the idea of the Ti and FL working well together, coz it's not gonna happen i dont think. Get a better sequencer (i recommend SX). Like Madstation said you need delay compensation.

[bj2001]

I hope i don't w8 for the Virus TI cos the integration with FL doesn't work.
What a pity then, FL is a toy!! :x

[MADSTATION]

Access aren't to blame here tho.
The FLSTUDIO dev team has states clearly on their forums that they WILL NOT work to implement automatic delay compensation.

So I said SCREW THEM...And fruity is a toy indeed! It's more than possible to do music that sounds pro using fruity, but I will no longer use it :)

[EnjoyRC]

I see the implementation of the TI VST Control Panel being much like the Powercore implementation. And Cubase SX3 (with PDC) works great with a Powercore Firewire.

[K.E.M.]

So are there any good sequencers with built in modules like Fruity? I tried Reason once, but it was too complicated for me at first...but then again, anything you make in that has a professional sound, as far as sound quality goes..not the music is a different story..lol.

[Merlot]

So are there any good sequencers with built in modules like Fruity?

Logic 7 is the way to go.

[Wandering Kid]

I used to use Fruity but when TI was announced, I switched to Cubase since the host needs to be compensated for delay...and fruity can't do that!

voxengo audiodelay is a free latency compensation plugin you add as a VST plugin. you can delay all audio coming from that channel by a certain length of time either in ms or in samples.

the TI will work in fruity.

now onto my problem.

midi and fruity. i get pretty glitchy performance from my virus b in fl studio 5.0 at high cpu loads. at low cpu loads its generally fine although playing back the virus through fruity's mixer sounds weird. its like it plays double. like theres a chorus effect. its annoying. at high cpu loads (Above 50%) my virus b plays back drunkenly. it triggers notes incorrectly, and for the wrong length of time. the higher the cpu load, the more fucked up it sounds.

if you buy a virus having worked mostly with software (as i have) you will have to change your work habits to accomodate the virus. for instance you will more than likely have to record all parts of the virus in a separate flp file and you will have to try to keep your cpu load as low as possible whilst you are recording. other than that theres no problem. admittedly i dont use my virus much though.

EDIT: fl studio is not a toy. you cant do THIS (http://www.soundclick.us/fastk6/10/01/freemp3/wanderingkid+09everythingnothing.mp3) with a toy. and thats all fl studio and freebie softies. only bad worksmen blame their tools.

[MADSTATION]

Wandering kid: I'm pretty sure that the TI delay WON'T be a fixed value and that is gonna be a problem. Anyway, if it works in Fruity, I'll be more than happy since my weapon of choice is still FLSTUDIO even tho I use Cubase SX more and more these days.

About the Virus playing in double...Just mute it in your audio card mixer! It will only play once! I use an emu card and always MUTE the virus channel when I'm in fruity so it isn't doubled :)


Cool clip you posted there...
Last thing I've done with fruity: http://www.madstation.net/progtrance.mp3

[Wandering Kid]

About the Virus playing in double...Just mute it in your audio card mixer! It will only play once! I use an emu card and always MUTE the virus channel when I'm in fruity so it isn't doubled

DOOOOOOH!

once again i feel like a fool for skipping over the obvious.

nice floops work. i like your JP type stuff. it really brings out all the stuff i like about the jp8080. one day i will get my hardware working in my tunes properly.

till then, pro-53 demo all the way. 10 minutes at a god damn time before i have to restart my host. ARGHH!!

[MADSTATION]

:)
Well in my clip, bass is pro53 and lead is vanguard.
I barely use my hardware...yet! I find vst much more convenient.

that's an harder project I did 2 years ago, kinda reminds me of your stuff...thats all pro53(all synths, bass, etc.): http://www.madstation.net/MadVsLevel13(18).mp3

[Wandering Kid]

i was refering to the jp8080 demo you posted some time ago. that was sweet as. still you must detail how you made that patch on vanguard. external effects?

you can probably guess how i made my pro 53 lead. unison 14, HPF, analog detune nearly all the way up. tube distortion baby! up the glide a bit. and she screams ;)

heheh, you should use more freebies - they are so good its amazing. i got VB-1 doing bass duty, muon tau doing acid duty. greasetube turning everything fat and crunchy. i luv freeware softies ^_________^

[blay]

i got VB-1 doing bass duty,

vb1 is over-used and over-rated.
i personally hate the thing - others i know swear by it.
that old chestnut.... :wink:

cheers

blay

[Wandering Kid]

oh yea its overused. i agree. its not very programmable either. but whatever way you spin it - it sounds phat. and it can go LOW. lower than anything i can program in albino and it stays tight.

its like a 303. overused to the point of cliche. but it doesnt stop the fact that it sounded awesome when it first came out. and it still sounds awesome now.

and im not gonna try and prevent another generation of people enjoying that (in)famous sound. i still cant get enough of it ;)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

K.E.M.

In my opinion......wait for the TI. If you rush out and buy a used virus...and you enjoy its sound....you may end up kicking yourself for being impatient.

DS

[Hamstar]

I would wait till the TI is released, then I would buy a virus c/virus kc/virus indigo 2 a month or two later. I'm betting that you'll be able to pick up a virus c used for about $700. Then I would play with the c for a year, and wait till I could find a used virus ti for a third of the price that it would be if you were to buy it new. However if you are rich I'd suggest buying the ti right away.

[K.E.M.]

i got VB-1 doing bass duty,

vb1 is over-used and over-rated.
i personally hate the thing - others i know swear by it.
that old chestnut.... :wink:

cheers

blay

I use FX and distortions of many types to solve the old "overused problem" Gives you so many different timbres than just tweaking by itself.