Product Comparison Chart

[EnjoyRC]

It's gonna be nice to see the TI added to the Product Comparison Chart on Access' website.

[ten]

its gonna be nice to see 'virus-ti shipping worldwide' on the front page of the website.

ten

[blay]

its gonna be nice when we can stop bitching about a release and get on with producing some sound with the damn thing. :?

cheers

blay

[ten]

Produce sounds with it? ......what a strange idea. Im planning on using mine as an oversized paperweight seeing as by the time it does get released the sounds it could of made will be totally out of date.

Actually, by the time it does ship maybe it will already be old enough to be classed as a classic synth, and be much sought after for those old style digital sounds :lol: :lol: :lol:

[blay]

Actually, by the time it does ship maybe it will already be old enough to be classed as a classic synth, and be much sought after for those old style digital sounds :lol: :lol: :lol:

and USB1 will be obselete :roll: :wink:

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Lets say in 5 years time....the USB on the TI goes tits up.......I wonder if you'll easily be able to get a replacement. I doubt it :cry:

DS

[blay]

Lets say in 5 years time....the USB on the TI goes tits up.......I wonder if you'll easily be able to get a replacement. I doubt it :cry:

DS

hehe DS - so worried about spare parts before you even purchase the thing!

worthy point though - USB can be quite fickle...

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Running old analogs...you begin to appreciate spare part availability hehe.

But seriously, one of the reasons I returned the N3 was that 'I do believe owners will be fucked once the knobs start to go wrong'.......

LOL.......

Sorry guys....April is the DS's month of ranting......

DS

[blay]

you dont have the lead 3 anymore?

did you return it cause youre scared of failing led's?

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Back in 2003 I had the Virus KC and N3 side by side. After about 3 weeks I decided to let the N3 go........I realised I could only stomach 1 VA and the Virus was nicer sounding IMO.

Its just the way I am.....but I often look at the quality of knobs and buttons....and yes it does influence my purchasing. I dont mind cheap knobs and buttons.....so long as they're replacable (i.e. Sequential P1)....but when you have fancy knobs ala N3.....it raises the practical issue of what the fuck does one do if in 5 yrs it goes wrong. Are you really going to be able to get a replacement?

I look past gimmicky (for the moment) features etc etc....and I look at 2 things. Firstly sound and then practicality over build quality and long term upkeep. If any of you guys have tried maintaining old analogs you'll understand worry.

But rest assured guys....... in 15 yrs time when your Virus' are dying......I will have stockpiled most of the major parts, manuals, knobs and buttons, pcb's etc etc.... :oops:

DS :lol:

[blay]

But rest assured guys....... in 15 yrs time when your Virus' are dying......I will have stockpiled most of the major parts, manuals, knobs and buttons, pcb's etc etc.... :oops:

DS :lol:

virusforum MVP :wink:

cheers

blay

[Timo]

Actually, by the time it does ship maybe it will already be old enough to be classed as a classic synth, and be much sought after for those old style digital sounds :lol: :lol: :lol:

and USB1 will be obselete :roll: :wink:

cheers

blay

Actually, on thinking about this, the USB v1 spec wont help second hand prices (when/if a TI v2 is ever released, with massively greater bandwidth). Using USB v2 or Firewire would've otherwise ensured it to be a future classic.

[xsdata-kc]

'I do believe owners will be fucked once the knobs start to go wrong'

yeah had that thought a few times with my Nord Rack 3 :) Some of the kobs are already very loose feeling .. and once the tracking stuffs up its going to be quite useless !

I guess cash converters can have it then!

[Wandering Kid]

But rest assured guys....... in 15 yrs time when your Virus' are dying......I will have stockpiled most of the major parts, manuals, knobs and buttons, pcb's etc etc....

sounds like DS is preparing for a nuclear holocaust. dont worry - in post apocalyptic britain ill knock on your lead lined bunker if i need replacement pots. : grin :

regarding usb. i cant really see how it would fuck up and i do believe that you are starting to get paranoid with all those old analogs around you, nearing the end of their life span. ready to FAIL at any second!

ive had USB1 on my old pentium II 266 since...god. since before half life came out. thats more than 7 years. still works. been hotplugging it loads too. and the dust that is caked around the PSU exhaust - crazy!

no sirree. USB doesnt have many mechanical parts which are subject to wear. it sits. it does its thing. it will sure as hell last longer than any mechanical part on the virus. its the bloody buttons you want to watch out for :shifty look left and right :

<knocks on DS's nuke bunker>

me: 3 virus buttons please. and 1 pot.

DS: been smoking and dusting again?

me: i decline to comment. just hand over the buttons!

[Hollowcell]

Access Comparison Chart.

Virus C
Released, but discontinued.

Virus TI
Not released.

Virus C
Works well unless you want to
use sounddiver on the PC.

Virus TI
We think it may work soon.

Virus C
Doesn't have hypersaw or
wavetables.

Virus TI
We hope the final version
has working OSCs.

Virus C
Looks cool.

Virus TI
The pictures look cool.


It's not up on the Access site yet, so I thought I'd make my own little comparison chart for you guys. :D

[blay]

It's not up on the Access site yet, so I thought I'd make my own little comparison chart for you guys. :D


there it is in black and white.
damn i wish i snavelled up one of the cheap kc's getting around last nov/dec.
I am first in the preorder line for all of australia - and i am now prepared to cancel -
because i am sick of being fed bullshit, both by access and distributors alike.

so i send this message to all those with preorders:

get over it or continue to be dissappointed.
pull your pants up, rebuckle your belt, and get off the bondage swing that is the access marketing initiative.
...and buy yourself some tried and proven gear that you can make music with NOW.

thankyou for your time.

cheers

blay

[Timo]

Blay, I think you're the one making the most noise on here, it's ironic!

Personally I think you're full of bullshit too! You've absolutely no intention of buying a Evolver or NL2X, or KC even (without hindsight)! ;)

Yes it must be bloody f'kin annoying waiting like this, it's f'kin bloody annoying for the rest of us who are desperate to simply hear user demos of it, or read the manual, or before reading the SOS review after it's properly released (I'm 110% definately NOT going to buy the Polar until reading an exhaustive independant review, given the obvious troubles Access are having)... blah blah blah.

I'm an SOS subscriber, so to me, the TI will be officially "released" when I see a TI review in that mag. Until then, nope....

Please pipe down a little. Or put your money where your mouth is for that Evolver/NL2X combo (I'll put bets on that you wont). You want the Hypersaw and wavetables too much! ;) (As do us all :roll: )

Thanks

[jasedee]

Blay, I think you're the one making the most noise on here, it's ironic!
*mEoWwWw...* Put away the claws......kittens ;)

This is starting to be quite funny actually. You all need some perspective. Im sure that the late release of the Ti is quite an insignificant dilemma in the big scope of things. Seriously, this must be the least of your problems???

Now c'mon everyone.....fill the void with something else (A drug habit maybe?)

:)

[MADSTATION]

Blay, you're a funny guy ;)

[Timo]

Blay, I think you're the one making the most noise on here, it's ironic!
*mEoWwWw...* Put away the claws...... kittens ;)

:)

hehe, it was meant with a cheeky smile and in the friendliest possible way, not like a full-on me0w or handbag showdown, hence the winks. ;)

The whole fiasco is just all getting a tad http://www.gobo.dsl.pipex.com/images/gremz/yawn.gif

Don't get me wrong, I'll be as intrigued as anyone when it actually starts shipping, but all these dates and so-called facts etc. are repeatedly unfounded. There's no point.

[blay]

Blay, I think you're the one making the most noise on here, it's ironic!

Im not shy. Kinda missed the irony bit - the same person thats pissed of about waiting an extra 5 months is the one making noise :wink:

Personally I think you're full of bullshit too!

personally I like to call it 'quality crap'.

You've absolutely no intention of buying a Evolver or NL2X, or KC even (without hindsight)! ;)

Just received quotes on the above items and i am currently considering my options on different combinations - i have come to the realisation that i can afford a lead 2x rack, a polyevolver rack and a set of dynaudio bm5'as for the same price as the TI 8O You may be right - I may just well end up holding out for the TI - but dont question my conviction because it really has got to the point where i have to seriously consider my options. and if i had known it was going to take this long i wouldve definately acted differently back in nov...

Please pipe down a little. Or put your money where your mouth is for that Evolver/NL2X combo (I'll put bets on that you wont). You want the Hypersaw and wavetables too much! ;) (As do us all :roll: )

of course i want a ti. and as you say, i can get it once it has proven itself to be the synth access wants it to be...

i just need to work out whether i am prepared to make my music wait for another possible 3-6 months when i can invest in some *things* in the meantime and buy a TI later down the track.

but i appreciate your concern timo, thankyou :wink:

[Derek]

Blay, I think you're the one making the most noise on here, it's ironic!

Im not shy. Kinda missed the irony bit - the same person thats pissed of about waiting an extra 5 months is the one making noise :wink:

Personally I think you're full of bullshit too!

personally I like to call it 'quality crap'.

You've absolutely no intention of buying a Evolver or NL2X, or KC even (without hindsight)! ;)

Just received quotes on the above items and i am currently considering my options on different combinations - i have come to the realisation that i can afford a lead 2x rack, a polyevolver rack and a set of dynaudio bm5'as for the same price as the TI 8O You may be right - I may just well end up holding out for the TI - but dont question my conviction because it really has got to the point where i have to seriously consider my options. and if i had known it was going to take this long i wouldve definately acted differently back in nov...

Please pipe down a little. Or put your money where your mouth is for that Evolver/NL2X combo (I'll put bets on that you wont). You want the Hypersaw and wavetables too much! ;) (As do us all :roll: )

of course i want a ti. and as you say, i can get it once it has proven itself to be the synth access wants it to be...

i just need to work out whether i am prepared to make my music wait for another possible 3-6 months when i can invest in some *things* in the meantime and buy a TI later down the track.

but i appreciate your concern timo, thankyou :wink:

Blay, don't put your music on hold waiting for the TI. Sure on paper it's a great concept, but people have been making great song without TIs, so it can be done. Think of it this way, when you buy a drill you don't buy it because you want a drill... You buy it because you want holes. The drill is simply the means by which you get the holes.
Likewise when you say you want a TI, what you really want is a great song, not a great synth. I really could care less what synth I have; I just want my tracks to be wickedly good. I want people to tap their feet and want to dance when they hear my tunes; I want them to enjoy my music and have the satisfaction that I made something that I'm proud of.
The TI's sounds theoretically could inspirer you to come up with something new, but none of us have heard everything that is available today. That means there are lots of other tools out there that you can get today that could inspirer you.

You need to think of the TI as vapor-ware and move on. When/if it comes out, perhaps you can revisit it. Maybe it will be all you thought, maybe not. But in the meantime you will have the opportunity to write something great. Don?t sit around wasting your time doing nothing. Remember you can always sell whatever you buy and use the $$$ to get the TI later; but you can never get back the time you?ll waste waiting for the TI to materialize. Don?t waste your time and talent. I?m sure some here will think I?m crazy, but I?ve realized there are people that are into making music and then there are people that are into owning gear. You need to decide which you are.
It all comes back to drills and holes; do you want a drill or would a bag of holes be a better solution?

[blay]

exactly the point i was trying to make derek...

...and very well said :wink:

cheers

blay

[Timo]

The problem is, you've waited this far... what will another month matter? But, will it be a month, or will it actually be another four months, or more... Without hindsight it's difficult to know.

It's a very hard choice. And you're not to blame, Blay. Access initially said this thing would be released in 2004. That's deceitful advertising, imho.

If it was a technical problem, we wouldn't think anything less of them - on the contrary - if they actually let us know the score. Many people have sold off and/or re-arranged their studios for the TI long ago.

[blay]

The problem is, you've waited this far... what will another month matter? But, will it be a month, or will it actually be another four months, or more... Without hindsight it's difficult to know.

:roll: indeed.

It's a very hard choice.

:? it certainly is....

And you're not to blame, Blay. Access initially said this thing would be released in 2004. That's deceitful advertising, imho.

the main reason im pissed off with this release. truly poor form.

cheers

blay

[Derek]

There really is nothing wrong with waiting, so long as it's not preventing you from getting your music made; but if you sold your gear and have nothing but excuses from Access... YOU NEED TO MOVE ON!
I made that decision for myself a few days ago... I'm so glad I did. Yesterday I got home at 4:30pm and worked in my studio until past midnight, I had to get up for work the next day but I just couldn't pull myself away... It was great. As I type this my brain is bursting with ideas, I'm so pumped up about getting home and playing. I picked up a Motu Traveler for my laptop and should be getting NI Komplete 2 soon. I love my setup. I have more sounds than I know what to do with and I can make my music... Now, today! I don't miss the promise of the TI; I have my bag of holes... Really I didn't need the drill. Words cannot express how happy I am to be jamming again.

Like I said, there's nothing wrong with waiting, but ONLY if waiting is not putting your ability to create music on hold.

[blay]

ive heard elsewhere that access have already clocked up somewhere in the vicinity of 20 million euros worth of preorders. 8O

...and the genius of the access marketing team wins again.

cheers

blay