What is next for me to buy?

[techno_7]

I now have 1 hardware synth, 2 midi keyboards, a computer that will soon have SX3 and already has reason 2.5, and a 8 channel mixer.

Whats next?

EDIT:

Within a bugdet of 600 $ please.

[Juho L]

Spare some money and get EastWest Colossus.

Edit: Or if you fancy hardware maybe Roland XV5050, or even original Roland Fantom if you're lucky to find one cheap.

Edit 2: Or a HW sampler, like Yamaha A-series or Emu E-series.

[techno_7]

Yeah i think i have enough software for now, so what i'm looking for is Hardware synths slash sampler slash ect.

And i dont mind buying them on ebay.

[Juho L]

Yeah i think i have enough software for now, so what i'm looking for is Hardware synths slash sampler slash ect.

And i dont mind buying them on ebay.

Yup. Well, what you need then is a rompler or a sampler. Getting another VA would be pointless at this moment (not widening the sound spectrum at all).

Edit: Or maybe you should just spare money and get something good at once. You know the saying "poor can't afford cheap". You could get Motif ES rack or Fantom XR for about $1300 new and I can assure you those boxes are worth every penny.

[techno_7]

Yeah that migh be the best idea 8O

Any other suggestions?

Please, i really need help with this.

[Juho L]

Yeah that migh be the best idea 8O

I really recommend you do that. As we Finns say "By rushing you only get shithead kids".

[techno_7]

H?h? :lol:

[Merlot]

KONTAKT 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: 8O

[Tomer=Trance]

i would suggest to acusticly treat your monitoring area if you havent done that yet.

[Analog Warriors]

co-signed ...


you should look out fro some direct field monitors, many people underate this factor ... but it's one of the most important parts in a home studio ! I was really amezed when i got my Event TR8s ... and i'm still supprised how much my sound has developed since that. These monitors are precision tuned to provide flat frequency response and uncolored sound, giving you a true sonic reference for mixing. So when you mix on a good monitor, you know your mixes will translate accurately to other playback systems :wink:

for 600$ you'll get some nice biamplified direct fields, my favourites are Genelec, Mackie and Event !

[pseudonym]

Kontakt 2 seconded... amazing piece of kit.

[Gopal]

I'd also suggest one of the new phantoms. You will get alot of work done quickly with one of those things IMO.

Must try Kontakt 2. I'm still using Intakt as my sampler most of the time but I'm not happy with it.

[Juho L]

Is there a particular reason you'll have to get something right now?

[Gopal]

Is there a particular reason you'll have to get something right now?

I'm guessing its that thing they call G.A.S.!?!

[Tomer=Trance]

co-signed ...


you should look out fro some direct field monitors, many people underate this factor ... but it's one of the most important parts in a home studio ! I was really amezed when i got my Event TR8s ... and i'm still supprised how much my sound has developed since that. These monitors are precision tuned to provide flat frequency response and uncolored sound, giving you a true sonic reference for mixing. So when you mix on a good monitor, you know your mixes will translate accurately to other playback systems :wink:

for 600$ you'll get some nice biamplified direct fields, my favourites are Genelec, Mackie and Event !

you mean near field not direct field...

[techno_7]

I have good monitors already and can easily get others(know people at mach)

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

In my opinion your setup is missing a workstation type keyboard. Check out the light editions of the Triton or Fantom...that way you'll be able to start flling out your music with realistic acoustic sounds aswell. If you go with one of the new Roland Fantoms.....they have decent onboard memory for practical sampling.....you could kill 2 birds with one stone.

OK, so you have $600 to spare. My advice would be to go the full hog and buy a workstation on credit. Use the $600 upfront to pay some off and thus lower your monthly repayments. This is just my opinion.....

Go here to see the most affordable workstation around...and check out the demo's http://www.rolandus.com/products/details.asp?catid=8&subcatid=36&prodid=Fantom%2DXa

Hope this helps....

DS

[techno_7]

Hey DS thanks alot for the tips :D

But what does a workstation "do"?

[Tomer=Trance]

just about everything from sampling to sample playback,ah wait isnt that the same?

anyway a workstation will give you sounds of orchestra,strings and different times of natural insrtuments.

[techno_7]

Oh i'd like that :)

[Juho L]

DS had a good idea. Roland Fantom X or Motif ES. Go to a mig music store and try them out.

[techno_7]

Is the price difference between keyboard and no keyboard big?

[Juho L]

Is the price difference between keyboard and no keyboard big?

Yes. About 800 euros.

Edit: Roland Fantom XR - 1269?
Roland Fantom X6 - 2111?
Yamaha Motif ES rack - 1259?
Yamaha Motif ES6 - 2180?

[techno_7]

Damn thats alot!

I better go for the rack editions then.

[Juho L]

I better go for the rack editions then.

Yup. Not a bad choice at all. The best price/value rated gear around. By the way is your Virus a desktop or a keyboard version?

[techno_7]

Desktop :(

Although it goes great with my PCR-M50.
I'd really like a keyboard on the stuff but i dont have the cash :wink:

[blay]

how about a holiday? :wink:

cheers

blay

[techno_7]

Well i'm going to the US( :D ) this autum so thats not an option :wink:

[Analog Warriors]

you mean near field not direct field...

no i don't - google for direct field monitor ... and tell what you've found :wink:

[Onkel Dunkel]

Is the price difference between keyboard and no keyboard big?

Yes. About 800 euros.

Edit: Roland Fantom XR - 1269?
Roland Fantom X6 - 2111?
Yamaha Motif ES rack - 1259?
Yamaha Motif ES6 - 2180?

I just found out that there?s more than the keyboard missing in the rack edition of the Motif ES. From http://www.motifator.com:
"...The MOTIF RACK ES has no sampling facility, no sequencer, no sliders, and no SmartMedia card slot..."
That might also explain the big price difference :?

[techno_7]

Oh 8O

[Juho L]

I just found out that there?s more than the keyboard missing in the rack edition of the Motif ES. From http://www.motifator.com:
"...The MOTIF RACK ES has no sampling facility, no sequencer, no sliders, and no SmartMedia card slot..."
That might also explain the big price difference :?

That's crappy. Well then there's only one choice which is Fantom XR.

[techno_7]

That looks very nice too :D

[Onkel Dunkel]

I just found out that there?s more than the keyboard missing in the rack edition of the Motif ES. From http://www.motifator.com:
"...The MOTIF RACK ES has no sampling facility, no sequencer, no sliders, and no SmartMedia card slot..."
That might also explain the big price difference :?

That's crappy. Well then there's only one choice which is Fantom XR.

Yeah that sucks pretty much. Actually i was looking at bying a Motif Rack ES (someday when i have the money) but i?m not so sure now that i shows that it?s not the same as the keyboard versions. How is the Fantom XR compared to the Motif ES? Same soundquality? Any pros/cons (except them listed already)?

[Juho L]

How is the Fantom XR compared to the Motif ES? Same soundquality? Any pros/cons (except them listed already)?

It's a matter of taste. Not huge differences. Fantom has better sampling section and the piano is excellent (includes the resonance emulation of the new Roland stage pianos), Motif has better electric pianos. But on the other sections it's quite even battle. I'd recommend trying them out by yourself, because it's really a matter of taste.

I personally dig Roland stuff (nice full and fat samplings), so I'd probably get the Fantom.

[Onkel Dunkel]

Sounds like from what your writing that it might be the Fantom XR i?m after. I?ve been looking for a realistic piano but i haven?t really found one that pleased me and i don?t really use electric pianos for anything. The sampling option is nice too and they have taken that out of the rack edition of Motif ES and the price is almost the same :? I think i?ll go check them both out some day but things are pointing at Fantom XR :roll:

[techno_7]

Same here :wink:

[Juho L]

Sounds like from what your writing that it might be the Fantom XR i?m after. I?ve been looking for a realistic piano but i haven?t really found one that pleased me and i don?t really use electric pianos for anything.

Don't shun electric pianos and Hammonds. They are actually one of the rare instruments that fit in anykind of music. For example soft rhodes can easily accompany background pad. Mixing it really back (almost barely audible) it can do wonders to any stuff. And same goes to Hammond.

OT: Actually mixing back certain instruments can brighten the mix. For example I've even heard black metal track that was imporved greatly with an acoustig guitar strumming on the background. You couldn't actually hear the guitar, but if it was muted the mix got flat and boring. It's like magic.

The sampling option is nice too and they have taken that out of the rack edition of Motif ES and the price is almost the same :? I think i?ll go check them both out some day but things are pointing at Fantom XR

As the ES rack doesn't have the sampling option, I'd say let it be. The sampling is afterall pretty important feature of a modern workhorse PCM synth.

[Onkel Dunkel]

I wasn?t saying that electrical pianos and hammonds are bad. I think they work great with lots of music. It?s just that i almost never use them myself :roll:

[Juho L]

I wasn?t saying that electrical pianos and hammonds are bad. I think they work great with lots of music. It?s just that i almost never use them myself

And I meant you should use them. ?hih.

[techno_7]

How about a modular synth?

Any experiences?

[Juho L]

I wouldn't go to anything VA, analog, etc, because you really lack good sample based sounds. You should try to priorise the GAS targets. If you now get a PCM synth you can cope extremely well with the mixture of samplings and synthetic sounds, but if you get a modular of some sort you'll have loads of pure synthetic sounds but nothing sampled and that's a bad restriction.

[techno_7]

Good point.

[Juho L]

Good point.

Yup. A way too common error for many HW users that they get only VA's. Better to get first as wide spectrum of sounds as possible and then start "layering".

[SoundzplastikSurgeon]

Wow, you are speaking like a trance producer...

[Juho L]

Wow, you are speaking like a trance producer...

A trance producer would buy only JP80X0's and then go around internet forums asking how to create piano sounds with supersaws.

[techno_7]

hhHa!

[Onkel Dunkel]

I wasn?t saying that electrical pianos and hammonds are bad. I think they work great with lots of music. It?s just that i almost never use them myself

And I meant you should use them. ?hih.

Ah ok :) I thought for a second you got offended :lol: Can i use a hammond in my next psytrance project :?: :wink:

[techno_7]

how to create piano sounds with supersaws.

Which is.....impossible :lol:

[Juho L]

Which is.....impossible :lol:

Try to explain that to a trance producer. You'll get about the same feeling you get when trying to explain to a teenaged newbie drummer that Dream Theater is not progressive rock.

Edit:

Trancer 1: How can I get nice full and fat piano sound with supersaws?
The expert: Well, a realistic piano sound is impposible to create with simple subtractive synthesis.
Trancer 1: You don't know anything! A friend of mine told that my JP can do any sound with supersaws and my friend has been producing trance for two months now so I think he know a little better than you do!
The expert: No. Believe me. It's impossible.
Trancer 2: Hello Trancer 1. How's hangin'? And by the way Expert, you're full of shit!
Trance 1: Hello Trancer 2. Do you have any supersaws pianos?
Trancer 2: Yeah!
*Trancer 2 sends a LP-filtered short decay supersaw patch to Trancer 1*
Trancer 1: Cool. Thanx. You rulz. This sounds so cool! The best piano I've ever heard!

[Hollowcell]

What!? A piano can't be created with a Supersaw? Maybe the Hypersaw on the TI will be able manage it.

If not.....

I've heard Roland will be bringing out the SuperHyperMega-saw soon. I bet a piano will be no problem for that!

So basicly buying the gear with the newest catch phrase will get you closer to making a good piano sound. HC's buying tip number 23. 8O

EDIT: Ignore my rambling.

[techno_7]

EDIT: Ignore my rambling.

Right...

[Onkel Dunkel]

Samples... Bah, who needs them anyway. Just give me a saw-wave, a filter, some envelopes and a couple of LFO?s and that?s all your ever gonna need :lol:

[Hollowcell]

Samples... Bah, who needs them anyway. Just give me a saw-wave, a filter, some envelopes and a couple of LFO?s and that?s all your ever gonna need :lol:

How about a sample of a saw wave? :D

[Gopal]

Samples... Bah, who needs them anyway. Just give me a saw-wave, a filter, some envelopes and a couple of LFO?s and that?s all your ever gonna need :lol:

How about a sample of a saw wave? :D

There's a smartass in every thread isn't there? :lol: 8)

[xsdata-kc]

Go with the FANTOM XR :) I own a virus Kc and Nord rack 3 and the Roland Fanton Xr compliments these well with its vast library of real sounds . The sampler is handy when I want to free up some cpu on my Daw. The drum kits are great in the fantom range. Its very easy to expand the sample memory taking both pc133 sdram and PCMIA cards. It has 6 expansion slots , 3 ONBOARD multifx that I use quite alot, 4 outs, 1 digital out , its easy to use and navigate .. all in all I think it was money well spent.

[tranzash]

I took Juho's advice and bought the spectrasonics atmosphere. This thing absolutely kicks some serious ass 8O
thanks juho. I will recomend this to anyone

[Merlot]

I took Juho's advice and bought the spectrasonics atmosphere. This thing absolutely kicks some serious ass 8O
thanks juho. I will recomend this to anyone

I've got it also. Great stuff. I also have trilogy and stylus RMX. Anything by spectrasonics is the bomb diggity!

[blay]

I've got it also. Great stuff. I also have trilogy and stylus RMX. Anything by spectrasonics is the bomb diggity!

I'll second that.
Quality vst's.
I could survive on just the kb, the spectrasonics plugs and the waves bundle. (oh ok give me battery as well...) :D

cheers

blay

[techno_7]

I took Juho's advice and bought the spectrasonics atmosphere. This thing absolutely kicks some serious ass 8O
thanks juho. I will recomend this to anyone

What is it?

Samples?

[Juho L]

What is it?

Samples?

Yup. A sampleset and a small sampler program. Totally genious sounds!

Hey Tranzash, get also Battery 2 if you can afford and you have really nice set for beats too. Battery 2 is really worth the price.

[tranzash]

hey Juho, I have battery 2. Very nice samples in there. 8)

Techno7, Lots of excellent samples in atmosphere, very easy to edit too.