sequencers

[Fasttracker]

What do you guys use to sequence your music ?
An mpc , a groovebox , the yamaha qy700 or do you guys work the soft-sequencers like digital performer , cubase or logic etc...
Just curious.
Greetz...

[jasedee]

Cubase SX here!

I started using Cubase when it was Cubase VST 5, which was on PC, then when I bought my Apple G5 I had to make the decision to stay with Cubase, or move onto something like Logic or Pro Tools. I decided to stick with what I was familiar with, and I think it was the right decision.

At some point though, I would like to upgrade to Pro Tools HD system, but that wont be happening for some time.

I have never actually used a hardware sequencer.

Cheers,

Jase :)

[tranzash]

I use DP 4.52 with a Dual 2.0 G5. Audio interface is 2408 mk3

[MADSTATION]

I use cubase sx3 :)

[subosc1]

I moved up to Cubase years ago after realizing the drawbacks of using Reason, Kontact for sampler.

[ten]

sx3 and Nuendo3

ten

[Drammy]

Cubase SL2.0

Been using Cubase since age 13 (now 28 - Over half my life!)


Have tried others but always come back to Cubase.

[Fasttracker]

Wow , those protools HD systems are mad expensive , 7.706,49 ? for the cheapest version. I know it looks like a great product , and i bet that solves all your pc hardware and memory problems But for that kind of money i would also like some kind of controller for protools included .

Everybody using software sequencers , i kinda expected that , it's strange how few people use hardware sequencers , is it too expensive or are those hardware sequencers too limited in functions compared to softsequencers? I saw a review on the yamaha qy700 and it looked pretty promising for a hardware sequencer. My first piece of gear was an RM1X sequence remixer from yamaha , and i totally loved that piece of gear , very easy to use and a lot of options , at least for me as a rookie musician, that's a hardware sequencer too.
I currently use an mpc1000 for my sequencing but it's really limitted compared to cubase , it's 10 times more fun and faster to work with , but your stuck with just midi notes , bad cutting/pasting , no automation, etc...
But the great thing bout the mpc100 is jamming , you can allmost make an entire song without having to stop the music playing , just select a track press record and do your thing , select next track , record and voila.
I think i'll be digging for a good way to use cubase and the mpc together , i think i'll sync them and use my mpc for drums (witch it's actually made for ) and cubase for sounds.

Anyway , why did you go for the sequencer you're currently digging?

Greetz...

[Merlot]

Logic Pro 7.1 here. A complete studio in a box. Great music can be made with its bundled plugs.

[Tomer=Trance]

SX 2

i think the reason why people use soft synths is because of daw recordings... much more comfortable and most of the time cheaper to build an entire massive setup dou to plugin suport...

visual editing and audio support is something i cant see giving up some quickly.

[techno_7]

SX 1.

I have just bought SX 3.0 which will arrive to me approximatly monday :D

[Hollowcell]

Usually start the initial loop on the sequencer in my JX305, then move over to Cubase VST32 once I start recording audio parts.

[Panopticon]

Wow, Cubase is popular.

I use Digital Performer, like it a lot. Tried everything else, and I used Cubase for 6 months back in the SX1 days, but I've been on DP for a few years now, don't care to switch anytime soon.

[Tomer=Trance]

most of use are pc users,personaly i cobase is my choice for pc platform.

[Onkel Dunkel]

I used a Emu XL-7 (harware) for some time but found it anoying to mess around with a 2 line display and when i got my Virus it was a pain in the ass to sequense it from the XL-7. Anyway the XL-7 dosn?t support audio sequensing and you can?t use VSTi?s in it so that also limits it quite a bit. Now i only use the XL-7 as a sound module. All sequensing is done in Cubase. It?s a lot easier to work with as you don?t have to scroll through menus, you can actually see what your doing, you can view draw parameter changes with the mouse, etc. etc. etc.

[Fasttracker]

Yeah cubase is really popular but i always heard that digital performer is better , not sure why tho.
I'm liking cubase too , i bought the cubase xtc pack witch is cubase sx with the tc native bundle 3 for 700 euro's and was super glad when they told me it came with a free upgrade to sx 3.
I have used cubase , Logic , cakewalk and protools (not very long but i used it) and i sticked with cubase .

Yeah hollowcell , i'm going to try something similar too , make a starting loop on my mpc and when it starts to take shape i'll sync it up to cubase and start to add the synths and do the sequencing. I am gunna try that out , still looking for my method of working (see previous post http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?p=35523&highlight=#35523 ) and this seems pretty promising.
With this method i can render my synth or mpc to audio in cubase super-fast and add some vst effects and stuff withc i usually did in the mixing stage because it was too mutch work and disturbed my creative flow.

Greetz...

[3o3]

I'd love to have a hardware sequencer (RS7000). but i dont have the cash for it.

And i don't use any other sequencer right now. I haven't done any music in ages.

[Gopal]

I been using Cubase for months, just switched to Logic Platinum 5.5.1 (PC) and my workrate has gone through the roof. It really is Logical to me and Cubase would never let me integrate the hardware via midi properly. Within 5 mins I was able to do all the things in Logic I had been trying to do in Cubase for months. Logic sounds phatter and drier to my ears too. Easier to hear whats going on in the mix and find space for instruments.

Just my experience 8)

[Tomer=Trance]

the interface of logic is so hard to get use to for me,a cubase user.

was the transition diffecult?

[Panopticon]

Logic sounds phatter and drier to my ears too. Easier to hear whats going on in the mix and find space for instruments.


Ha! I would say your ears need checking. I've heard ProTools, Logic, DP, Live, and Cubase through Digi, Apogee, and MOTU D/A, and on 3 different sets of monitors (KRK, Mackie, and NS-10's). On a *really* good day, you can hear a change when switching D/A converters. I've never met anyone who could blindly hear the difference betwen DAW programs.

[Fasttracker]

What were you trying to do via midi that didn't work in cubase and posed no probs in logic?
Greetz...

[jasedee]

On a *really* good day, you can hear a change when switching D/A converters. I've never met anyone who could blindly hear the difference betwen DAW programs.
I think back in the day, when we were at Cubase VST, you could definately hear a shittyness to it. I dont know whether that was due to the plug ins or FX, but it definately had "a sound" and it wasnt very cool at all....

Nowadays I dont see much difference between the maor players (Steinberg, Apple Logic, Pro Tools LE) and I think it really is about your AD/DA's, as you've said.

[Hollowcell]

I think back in the day, when we were at Cubase VST, you could definately hear a shittyness to it. I dont know whether that was due to the plug ins or FX, but it definately had "a sound" and it wasnt very cool at all....

Nowadays I dont see much difference between the maor players (Steinberg, Apple Logic, Pro Tools LE) and I think it really is about your AD/DA's, as you've said.

Listen to Fat of the Land Jase......

Pretty sure SX wasn't released in 97, since Howlett used Cubase since 93, I could safely assume Howlett made that album using an earlier version of Cubase.

Not a "shittyness" in earshot with that album! :D

[techno_7]

There where other Cubases than just SX though!

[jasedee]

Listen to Fat of the Land Jase......
Isnt that like the worst Prodigy album ever???

[Drammy]

I think it was '92 that I started using Cubase on the Atari ST.

[Hollowcell]

Listen to Fat of the Land Jase......
Isnt that like the worst Prodigy album ever???

Hehe, sarcasm. We Ausi's are great at it!

But just on the odd chance you are serious (due to your growing brain tumor that is obviously purtruding into your ear cavity)....

No, it's by far the best!!! :wink:

[jasedee]

No, it's by far the best!!! :wink:
Well then surely you havent heard "Music for the jilted generation"????

Actually, what am I talking about? "Experience" for me is where its at. Pure class. I never bothered with any of the albums in between "Jilted generation" and the new one, they just didnt do it for me. Way too pop.

[Hollowcell]

No, it's by far the best!!! :wink:
Well then surely you havent heard "Music for the jilted generation"????

Actually, what am I talking about? "Experience" for me is where its at. Pure class. I never bothered with any of the albums in between "Jilted generation" and the new one, they just didnt do it for me. Way too pop.

Jase, Jase, Jase....
The best tracks on Jilted would have to be the ones that paved the way for FOTL (Posion, Their law). Not sure about your pop comment there either - "Magic people Voodoo people" or "Tell stories about
all the young girls". :D

Seriously, now that you're getting into production a heap more, take another listen and compare FOTL to the newest (or compare it to jilted). FOTL definitely kicks people in the nuts who speak heatedly about the newest Daw software. That album would even sound good over a phone line!

[Gopal]

the interface of logic is so hard to get use to for me,a cubase user.

was the transition diffecult?

The transition was the easiest I've ever made. Logic is so much better laid out than Cubase in my opinion. I just found Cubase one headache after another and Logic has given me next to no troubles at all. I get so much more done now!!

And Pan...Other people agree with me on the sound. Compare Logic to Acid pro and tell me you can't hear a dramatic difference.

The thing I couldn't do on Cubase (and this was probably my fault) was to get a usb midi keyboard to route through the sequencer and out to the midi interface to play outboard synths. Literally took 5 mins to get it happening after installing Logic.

I really want G5 and Logic 7 now, but alas, I'm not rich! Damnit. :lol:

[Timo]

No, it's by far the best!!! :wink:
Well then surely you havent heard "Music for the jilted generation"????

Actually, what am I talking about? "Experience" for me is where its at. Pure class. I never bothered with any of the albums in between "Jilted generation" and the new one, they just didnt do it for me. Way too pop.

Jase, Jase, Jase....
The best tracks on Jilted would have to be the ones that paved the way for FOTL (Posion, Their law). Not sure about your pop comment there either - "Magic people Voodoo people" or "Tell stories about
all the young girls". :D

Seriously, now that you're getting into production a heap more, take another listen and compare FOTL to the newest (or compare it to jilted). FOTL definitely kicks people in the nuts who speak heatedly about the newest Daw software. That album would even sound good over a phone line!

Gotta agree, FOTL is a beautiful piece of engineering. I didn't rate AlwaysONO, at all. It was/is rank. Don't know wtf Howlett was doing. An overdistorted shitty mess. BTW, he used Reason for it. Personally, though, I reckon it must have been the Thermionic Culture Vulture that caused the god-awful shitty mess throughout.

PS > A "must read" - Interview with Howlett over AONO: http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Oct04/articles/prodigy.htm - He seems a really decent bloke!

[jasedee]

Cheers for the link Timo!

Ok HC....I will endeavour to have a listen to FOTL. But one thing, for me anyways, is that when I listen to an album, I not only hear the music, but also remember the time and place where I listened to it most, which brings up feelings of nostalgia, so I think regardless, I will always like "Experience", and "Jilted generation" because of the times they remind me of.

Know what I mean?

Anyways, I reckon I can pick up FOTL for a tenner from one of those cheap CD places

[Hollowcell]

But one thing, for me anyways, is that when I listen to an album, I not only hear the music, but also remember the time and place where I listened to it most, which brings up feelings of nostalgia, so I think regardless, I will always like "Experience", and "Jilted generation" because of the times they remind me of.

Know what I mean?

Anyways, I reckon I can pick up FOTL for a tenner from one of those cheap CD places

Yup, definitely know what you mean Jase. Hope you find a copy of it somewhere - let us know when you do.

[Timo]

And another thing, I don't understand why Liam said on AONO that he was "getting back to the beats", as that was what Prodigy was originally all about.

Wtf! FOTL had excellent drums and programming, hands-down! Moreso than AONO, imho.

And that dirge with Liam Gallagher! Keith should've definately vocalised that one, and that would've helped it sound, at least, a little bit less crap...

meh.

PS > Definate "Virus" filter usage on the track The Way It Is, from 9 to 16 seconds in.

[Hollowcell]

And another thing, I don't understand why Liam said on AONO that he was "getting back to the beats", as that was what Prodigy was originally all about.

Wtf! FOTL had excellent drums and programming, hands-down! Moreso than AONO, imho.

I'm not sure what he meant by that either actually. Oh well, I'm still looking forward tot he next one - just hope it's more like his older stuff. :cry:

Still a master in my eyes though.

[core7]

What do you guys use to sequence your music ?
An mpc , a groovebox , the yamaha qy700 or do you guys work the soft-sequencers like digital performer , cubase or logic etc...
Just curious.
Greetz... As far as Hardware sequencers, I just picked up a Roland MC 909. Its fun, Im still dicking around with it. Not sure yet if Im gonna hang onto it. For software, Acid Pro 5.0 and Protools 6.4 with an assload of plugins and a few VST's. I've been trying to make myself use Protools more, but I always revert back to writing stuff on Acid, because the learning curve on PT is somewhat steep.