ben? VIRUS TI vs ROLAND V-SYNTH

[technomonster]

i think i will need to sue access for hair loss and the sudden grey hairs just above my ears. actually more on the right side than left.

i have been fiddling with the roland V-SYNTH at my local shop, wondering if i should buy that instead.
anyone own a V-SYNTH here and how does it compare to VIRUS C.

it USES both analog type waveforms and then also heaps of PCM waveforms. so you can have one waveform doing a typical analog thing and then the other oscillator play PCM waveform.
it sounds so cool, and has these pretty cool effects and filters as well.

If BEN CROSSLAND is reading. Is that roughly what the new VIRUS TI CAN DO?????????????????????????????????????

how many effects does the VIRUS TI have.
The great thing about ROMPLER SYNTHS such as TRITON are the amount of effects one can choose from.

THE FOLLOWING MIGHT NOT BE CORRECT.
the V-SYNTH seems like a mixture of 1)VA and 2)all this ROMPLER stuff.
It sounds real cool for industrial sounds. Fantastic for gritty film music as well.
The intersting thing about the V-SYNTH is its graveelly, raspy character making it almost a must to have. almost like slight distortion or noise is put in every sound, ever so slightly.
sorry for my bad explanations of the sound and technicalities

any opinions BEN on the capbilities of VIRUS TI vsV-SYNTH.

can the TI by using slight noise and emphasis of lower frequencies get tough industrial type sounds.

anyone else here can write about this

[Timo]

The Virus is not a ROMpler. It does not play samples. It can never sound like a piano, nor any other 'real' or natural instruments.

However, the TI does have absolutely minute 'snippets' (samples) of different waveforms (about 5 milliseconds each), which are part of the Wavetable and the Waveshapes, but these are very simple, raw, single-cycle waveforms and don't constitute natural, full-sounding sounding instruments with natural attack, decays etc.. They're effectively (and literally) PCM 'oscillators'.
The TI is not able to import your own waveshapes for the Wavetables nor Waveshapes. You have to use the ones that Access have pre-installed.

Furthermore, the TI will only ever do virtual analogue and wavetable synthesis. However the polyphony is extensive at, I think, around 80 voices (the V-Synth has 24 voices, I think).

The V-Synth looks like it can do a lot. Major sample-mangling, sample playback, virtual analogue, vocal modulating, realtime time-stretching/variphrase, step modulating, various modelling effects (COSM), AND it has some rather lovely realtime modulation controllers like 2 x D-Beams, the XY Pad, pitchbend and mod levers, and the touchscreen.

The TI will do HyperSaw, while the VSynth will do the original SuperSaw. Both synths have programmable Arpeggiators, too.
Both synths also have external audio inputs for realtime processing.

I don't have either synth, but I can dream....

[ben crosland]

Don't ask me - I've never played a V-Synth.

[grimleyj]

The V-Synth rocks!
I sold my virus b in Dec to fund the TI and had the cash sitting there tempting me for months before I broke down and upgraded my DAW. I've had the V-Synth since it was released and I regard it as the most innovative synth currently on the market. Sure some other synths do one or 2 things the V does, but the combination and ergonomics are just killer. The new 2.0 OS is what finally made me stop lusting after the TI. Don't get me wrong ... I still want a Polar, because I want something I can lug around with my laptop.
The V is not a rompler in the traditional sense however. Nor can you load your own multi-sampled instruments. What it does have is the ability to timestretch a single sample in real-time across the keyboard.
You can get some amazing results just by loading any nondescript sample and stretching, freezing and shifting it.
The VA section gets some bad press but it all depends on what you are expecting to get out of it. If you are looking for super accurate analog modeling or zipper free filter sweeps, look elsewhere. If you want to add some balls to your timestretched samples it doesn't get better than this. The VA oscs have sub-oscs but I only wish there was a third main oscillator. You can always resample though and this is very easy to do.
The arp is one of the best an any synth, and unlike the TI arp can control any parameter of the synth engine. Also, the step sequencer is very cool for this and comes with preset shapes.
You really need to spend some time with it and explore it so get down to GC or whatever.

Sorry if i sound like a Roland rep, but I must admit I've truly become a V-Synth evangelist.
If you want you can check out my (mostly) V-Synth track including v-synthed vocals here: http://home.comcast.net/~grimleyj/Empty_Hall.mp3

[midislut]

i have both the V-synth and Virus c

and i use both !!

they are very different the v-synth is for realy creating weird unheard new stuff...things unimaginable and i use the virus for warm fat synth patches. v-synth has great rhytm capabilities

i dont use the v-synth for lead patches > my nord and virus does that

another great thing about the v-synth is the time trip pad and d-beam to realy get weird stuff out of it ...also i use the D50 card on the v-synth !!

both are easy to program. v-synth has a digital out also and a great touchscreen...you can tweak on the screen or on the knobs !! but not weigthed keys

i will sell my c when i get the TI

IMHO the v-synth, virus c and nord 3 is the most powerfull synthesizers out there but i cant say which one is best !! i use all 3 of them dialy !!

if you can get the TI and the v-synth both

i think the Ti will be better than the "c" but heck i just hope the damn thing get released still this year !!
just my 2 c

[Tomer=Trance]

damn acid1 you got quit a collection of digital synths dont you? :wink:

[technomonster]

HEY MIDISLUT,

you are a very lucky fella having both V-SYNTH and VIRUS C.

boy what a perfect combination.

[midislut]

HEY MIDISLUT,

you are a very lucky fella having both V-SYNTH and VIRUS C.

boy what a perfect combination.


here is all my work horses lined up !!

and boy oh boy they can pull a wagon !!!!!

Korg Triton Studio 88 ( EXB-Moss & PCM 02,03,04,05,06/07,09)
Roland MC 909 (SRX eight) ; XP80 (SR-JV80 02,16,05,11); V-Synth (VC1)
Kurzweil PC1X
Elektron Machine drum
Clavia Nord Lead 3 (Rack)
Access Virus Classic ;
Yamaha Motif ES (Rack)

it took me +- 10 years to get this setup....the pc1x drives my giga pc and eastwest sample libraries
i cant think of a more complete better setup realy in all humbleness

but the downside is sometime there is too many options and one fall in a no work gets done trap...
and it takes many years to learn them all well > manuals....and issues !!

:lol:

well....i am happy realy !!

[technomonster]

hey midislut,

i have the TRITON 66 note keyboard. I also bought the TRANCE BOARD.

Is that trance board a PCM board.

Whats the difference between say the TRANCE PCM waveforms and the PCM waveforms of the V-SYNTH.

Is it just the case of lenght of waveform

[midislut]

the triton (mine) has the "trance" expansion card

i dont use the v-synth at all for trance sounds....i cant even remember now if it has trance preset sounds....although i think one can create some !!...but still the virus is king in trance and thats it

my expansion vc1 card in the v-synth is a D50 (sound module)

the v-synth is great for loading in waveforms IMO and resampling and do weird stuff with it

[technomonster]

hey midislut,

you must have similar taste to me.

i have the TRITON 66
roland xv-88

I ALSO AM VERY INTERSTED IN THE MACHINEDRUM, and V-SYNTH
I WILL also buy the virus

i actually have the JX-305 AS MY drum machine.

can you tell us about the MACHINEDRUM and what is it like, from a users point of view

[midislut]

dont buy the drum machine !!

you can buy mine

i want to sell it ...its brand new and i use the mc more for drum loops

[Smag]

Midislut, is the machinedrum good for house music?

[midislut]

it for creating more non- traditional drum loops

it is a synthesized drum loop box. like lets say the kraftwerk/ depeche mode / erasure /pet shop boys kinda loops

i use eastwest drumsample libraries more cause i do more world/ new age/ambient work now

its more for techno, trance, funky, house, and new age reggae

the nice thing about is one can add effects to it...which make it powerfull ...and the sound base is sound synthesys..(or same as we know a synthesizer)...it also won numerious awards

its very easy programmable....and has midi in/out and a great warm analog feel....which i liked cause some softdrum libraries has less warmth (well i know that is my personal opinion)

i cant remember if there is demos at the site but read more here

http://www.machinedrum.com/

but like i said...i use the mc909 and drumlibraries from eastwest more these days

[technomonster]

hey midislut.
have you heard the MICROTONIC DRUM SOFTSYNTH, which i have.

how does the sound compare MACHINEDRUM vs MICROTONIC.

the MICROTONIC can be quite chest bursting

[midislut]

nope i havent > :evil:

is it good ?

[technomonster]

yes midislut,

it seems to be great.

i am not an authority on this , but it seems pretty stunning to me.

[technomonster]

yes midislut,

it seems to be great.

i am not an authority on this , but it seems pretty stunning to me.

you can download a demo

[audiofunktion]

I have the MC-909 and the machinedrum as well, but my 909 has non of the expansion sounds on it. I found that using the machinedrum is just faster for me, and the drums sound really "live"....

With the grid composing, you can save individual parameters for each drum hit, and with all the different tweaks each drum sound has, the variations are really immense..... I've only had it for the better part of a week and i'm putting together really interesting patterns and songs.....

I've used soft synths for drums a few times, and some sound good, but the ability to get a track done fast while the idea is fresh gets done alot more easily with the MD, and i'm still a super newb with it....

[audiofunktion]

I drive my virus with the 909 though, and its been great in that regard...

[acid1]

yeah i hate to say it but i gave in and bought a v-synth with my preorder money


i'm very impressed

[Hollowcell]

yeah i hate to say it but i gave in and bought a v-synth with my preorder money


i'm very impressed

You bastards continue to make me jealous! I have been drooling over a V-synth for ages now, but still no visible chance of getting one in the near future. :cry:

[Derek]

I think the V-synth is far superior to the TI. For one thing you can actually by a V-Synth :D

I'll eventually buy another V-Synth (I returned my first one because it was defective). This time I'll go with the XT version. However I'll wait and buy it used. Roland gear always seems to take a large price hit. I think it's because they come out with new models pretty frequently.

[acid1]

i'm sure this is the wrong forum and i'll probably get slammed, but you guys waiting for a TI who can afford another synth should seriously concider the v-synth, either for the time being or good way to restore those gray hairs

hell it even has a hypersaw wanna be, very lush, which was the main thing i was looking for on the ti.

i still might get a TI once they come out and get throroughly tested and shown off :)

[pseudonym]

I found that using the machinedrum is just faster for me, and the drums sound really "live"....

do you mean live, or real?