user reviews at Sonicstate

[alione]

:cry: :cry: http://www.sonicstate.com/synth_reviews/access_virus-ti.cfm ; people is adding their fillings

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Im suprised Sonic state ok-ed those 'reviews'. Normally they dont allow any to get posted until a product is shipping. I dont think it informs potential user properly....its just yet another outlet for disgruntled would be customers. i expect to see loads of more posts in the next few years...oops i mean days...shit now...weeks even...maybe months. Oh im so confused.

DS

[blay]

i expect to see loads of more posts in the next few years...oops i mean days...shit now...weeks even...maybe months. Oh im so confused.

DS

:lol:

Id like to hear some reviews from the beta testers :wink:

I wonder how version three of the TI OS is coming along? 8O :wink:

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Well, it wouldnt suprise me if some kinda major OS re-write is underway now.....either that or they might be thinking about doing it....which may mean another 6 months of setbacks.

Seriously though....when products get delayed 6 months...they invariably turn out to be a year, 18 months....in exceptional cases never released. I can name a few products in the last 5 years that have followed this pattern. I would like to wish/hope Access a speedy release...not for my sake (ive bought other gear with my TI money now).....but really for their sake.

Access and Waldorf have one thing in common. For 10-12 months prior to Waldorf's demise they went very *very* quiet. Ring any bells?

DS

[Nord]

you mean they went bankruptcy?
Edit: Maybe im thinking of another company..
what do you mean DS?

[ddeez]

ds what happened to the roland thing? why no response?

[Timo]

Access and Waldorf have one thing in common. For 10-12 months prior to Waldorf's demise they went very *very* quiet. Ring any bells?

DS

Well, I certainly don't think Access are currently poised to becoming bankrupt just yet, but I think the whole way they are dealing with this particular unfortunate (and hopefully one-off) incident has seriously rattled their loyal customer base.

Access used to be at the forefront when answering people's queries in a quick, friendly but professional manner. It gave the impression that, not that they were a 'family-type business' as such, but that we were all in this together. They were close to their customers.

Not any more. The silence has been deafening.

I would think so, soooo much more of them if they simply put their cards on the table and let us customers know that there was a problem, and updated their website with little snippets of what they were doing, like:

06-06-2005: "Now works 100% with Logic"
08-06-2005: "Continuing final testing phase with Cubase."
13-06-2005: "Added two new further waveforms to the wavetables"

... or whatever! Something as simple as a similar bug-fix list on their site would be re-assuring. Something truthful. Not the "beta" testing lark (read: lie) that's been spun for the last five months.

[Nord]

Yeah I would like that!
I wonder why they wont tell us,,, You wanna know what I think?

The TI line, is the first synth that support VST (hardware that is)
I think Access wont release the synth, untill it is 110% perfect!
You got to have in mind that this is a new type of synthesizer.
And Access, is the first company to release these kind of synths!

After Access released the TI line. Every manufacture will start making the same kind of synth - With VST support..
And i belive that Access, want to make history, they wanna be the first manufacture that release this kind of synth, with out any problem at all.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

ds what happened to the roland thing? why no response?

OOps...hi man...

Ive been having all kinds of hotmail problems recently. I have a paid account and my details expired...then my email became inaccesible. I wonder have been better off with the freebie version...geeze. What is this world coming to? Its all about the fucking money. Makes me sick.

I will touch with my friend at Roland and see what the score is. In the mean time....PM rather than email me...as my hotmail still a bit iffy.

Cheers

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Well Timo...im in entire aggreement with you.....and so would all the Virus mailing list members....

In my opinion.....it all started to go wrong (ironically) when Access had some success. Out came the marketing slogans....'legendary filter', 'more of what you loved'....and bobs your uncle they loose touch with reality and get absorbed into their own little world. It takes a prudent company to ride through success as well as failure.....

anyone agree/disagree with that observation?

DS

[alione]

i am fully agree with DS , a well known company cant do that wrong things
the market is very difficult and you cannot take that risks; i come from Europe (Spain) and here are no Direct Distributors of Access Music so, Pro-shops only buy "virus " when a customer pays with a pre-order ,that situation has happen from few time ago , so you cant find a unit in all Spain ProAudio shops,then people prefer Clavia nord leads or whatever,because they can test them ; EVEN THE pRO-STUDIOS are not using virus units ( no distributors no technical helps ....) eventually it reminds me waldorf ( i have got a Q unit) in this area is very important to make a good marketing ....(clavia is done it) but access is making big mistakes,because you cant wait months and months with no news,actually access is no more selling any virus C unit just clasic, even Bmw or Mercedes are playing with new models-old models in a good marketing studio,but you have big brands: korg, yamaha making good bussines ,Roland so so the New V-synth (version 2 ) is an upgraded from a dissaster product (version1) and his XT rack version is having problems....Korg has take a big risky bussines with new Oasys 8.000$
hardware producers need to make really new models with new techs,

this trends in markets open (again ) a big dispute :is hardware machines at the end of the road?

[Smag]

Well, I certainly don't think Access are currently poised to becoming bankrupt just yet

But you have to ask yourself as the months drag on where are Access getting their cash from? They really only have the Classic that they're selling.

[Timo]

Well, I certainly don't think Access are currently poised to becoming bankrupt just yet

But you have to ask yourself as the months drag on where are Access getting their cash from? They really only have the Classic that they're selling.

If the TI ships this year they will be quids in (as the pre-order sales will then be put through to them). But, otherwise, their gravy train stopped six months ago, so they'll certainly have to pull the TI out of the bag. Sales from the Virus C (when it was the flagship model) and previous Viri' should have put them in good stead to carry on for a while yet. Enough for them to get their act together and revive their products.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Lets just lay it on the line shall we....

1) Lots of pissed off customers who sold synths to buy a product which has been delayed time and time again.

2) Poor sods who have even parted with money based on eroneous information

3) A product that so far has come under great scrutiny for implementing USB1.1 when most of us dont understand why they did this.

4) Marc from Access' concession that a TI MKii will be made within 18 months of the initial release....so whats the point in shelling out money now when you know its going to depreciate radically?

5) No real updates on progres for 7 months (a trend set to continue it seems)

6) Peoples increasing fears that Access are surviving on very limited sales.....another Waldorf? Doesnt instill confidence does it.

7) That for some people, this situation has actually caused mental torment and mind loops for months on end....

Jeepers the fact we keep thinking and talking about it is boring. Can I just ask....are there still any members here who are genuinely looking forward to buying the TI? I dont mean this in a negative way....its im just interested to know. Ive just bought a N2X and having fun....I dont regret my decision....

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Well, I certainly don't think Access are currently poised to becoming bankrupt just yet

But you have to ask yourself as the months drag on where are Access getting their cash from? They really only have the Classic that they're selling.

If the TI ships this year they will be quids in (as the pre-order sales will then be put through to them). But, otherwise, their gravy train stopped six months ago, so they'll certainly have to pull the TI out of the bag. Sales from the Virus C (when it was the flagship model) and previous Viri' should have put them in good stead to carry on for a while yet. Enough for them to get their act together and revive their products.

I know u mean well Timo...but we just dont know do we. We dont know how many virus c units were sold....we dont even know what the profit margin on each synth was...its all speculation. What a total fuck up this situation is....

DS

[blay]

4) Marc from Access' concession that a TI MKii will be made within 18 months of the initial release....so whats the point in shelling out money now when you know its going to depreciate radically?

did I miss something?
hope you arent misquoting here DS - or is this something Marc actually came out with? :lol:

cheers

blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

4) Marc from Access' concession that a TI MKii will be made within 18 months of the initial release....so whats the point in shelling out money now when you know its going to depreciate radically?

did I miss something?
hope you arent misquoting here DS - or is this something Marc actually came out with? :lol:

cheers

blay

This is what I heard on the Virus mailing list......if its disinformation then ill be more than happy to retract it.

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Looks like sonic state have deleted all the 'ti user reviews'

Ok, why have SS given the Ti like 75% for each category? Have they had a TI to review??? Seems a bit weird that on the other models the Virus gets 100% for most categories but all the Ti ones are 75%....its practically the same synth. Unfortunately those scores do influence buyers....Access should look into that.

DS

[Hollowcell]

Ok, why have SS given the Ti like 75% for each category? Have they had a TI to review??? Seems a bit weird that on the other models the Virus gets 100% for most categories but all the Ti ones are 75%....its practically the same synth. Unfortunately those scores do influence buyers....Access should look into that.

DS

Maybe because it was only working at 75%. :wink:

[ben crosland]

4) Marc from Access' concession that a TI MKii will be made within 18 months of the initial release....so whats the point in shelling out money now when you know its going to depreciate radically?

did I miss something?
hope you arent misquoting here DS - or is this something Marc actually came out with? :lol:

cheers

blay

I don't know why DS feels it necessary to turn this into such a negative comment :roll:

Marc was merely replying to those who were speculating that there would be an almost immediate "TI mk2" to address the concerns about usb1.1 - in doing so, he made a passing comment on how there is obviously going to be a successor to the TI eventually.

To date, the product cycle of the Virus series has been working to an approximate time-span of a couple of years - to suggest that this is a good reason not to buy a TI now is a bit daft, IMO. Would it have made sense to warn people not to buy a B when it was announced, for the same reason? Obviously not.

For gh0d's sake, the TI is coming in at a very similar price point to that of the Virus C, yet it has been upgraded in so many ways. The 'Total Integration' feature may well be an important part of these upgrades, but still it represents only part of the picture. If Access had just released a Virus D without the 'TI' bit, I think the additional DSP horsepower and new oscillators would still have been enough to generate massive interest in this product.

Anyway, for now I would suggest to those who have held out this far, that holding out a little longer would be the best plan of action right now. FWIW - I've just been putting the finishing touches to my bank of 128 sounds, all of which use the new oscillators exclusively, and have been fully optimised to make use of the 3 soft knobs. For me, they represent the best of my work to date.

[ten]

Cant wait to hear them Benny boy :) Hey are you still planning on doing any of those master classes sometime?

ten

[ben crosland]

Hey are you still planning on doing any of those master classes sometime?

I guess so - once things have settled down a bit, I'll give it some more thought.

[blay]

Anyway, for now I would suggest to those who have held out this far, that holding out a little longer would be the best plan of action right now.

but *how* much longer?
your soundset might be close to finished ben, but how do we really know the TI is just as close?
im still waiting - but surely access can give us more info than 'a little longer'?

Maybe because it was only working at 75%. ;)

:lol:

[MADSTATION]

Lets just lay it on the line shall we....
4) Marc from Access' concession that a TI MKii will be made within 18 months of the initial release....


Where you heard that?
Within 18 months? I don't think that's gonna happen...the life cycle of the virus products are usually much greater! And if it's the case, they better have some trade in plan for those loyal fanboys(all of us that have preordered so far should be considered fanboys more than customers lol) ;)

[marc]

Lets just lay it on the line shall we....


4) Marc from Access' concession that a TI MKii will be made within 18 months of the initial release....so whats the point in shelling out money now when you know its going to depreciate radically?


DS


err ... where's this coming from? and what's a "consession" ?

marc

[marc]

Looks like sonic state have deleted all the 'ti user reviews'

Ok, why have SS given the Ti like 75% for each category? Have they had a TI to review??? Seems a bit weird that on the other models the Virus gets 100% for most categories but all the Ti ones are 75%....its practically the same synth. Unfortunately those scores do influence buyers....Access should look into that.

DS

those reviews were exclusively made by people who never had a TI to review or just test run. they were just assumptions and therefore pretty useless.

marc

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Sorry Marc....i should have used the word 'admission'....

Yes I agree, the early reviews were pointless.....particularly the 75% nonesense for each category....

DS

[MADSTATION]

DS...but still, I believe that Marc NEVER stated that another Virus will be released within 18 months(it would most definately be a mistake from them). I'm sure they will prove the world that USB1 was the way to go.
They have to anyway :)

[acid1]

Anyway, for now I would suggest to those who have held out this far, that holding out a little longer would be the best plan of action right now. FWIW - I've just been putting the finishing touches to my bank of 128 sounds, all of which use the new oscillators exclusively, and have been fully optimised to make use of the 3 soft knobs. For me, they represent the best of my work to date.

its stuff like this that keeps me from cancelling my order. i like imagining that the extra time being spent on the virus is making sure its amazing when its release, and not just trying to make it work.






oh btw ben, if you wanted to explain on the forum what one of those 128 sound like each day, it will give us nearly 5 months of drool material to keep up entertained if it doesn't happen to come out before then........ wishful thinking

[MADSTATION]

hahaha
;)

I'm sooooooo looking forward for that release.
DAMN!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

DS...but still, I believe that Marc NEVER stated that another Virus will be released within 18 months(it would most definately be a mistake from them). I'm sure they will prove the world that USB1 was the way to go.
They have to anyway :)

Look, I wont split hairs....and to be honest I cant be assed to troll through mail archives to prove a point :lol:

I think it would be a good idea if that everytime someone from Access responds...it wasnt because somelike me has put them on the defensive....it doesnt have to be like this. This kinda shit happens when people get frustrated and are not being given enough information.

At the end of the day...the only thing I ever wanted from Access was the TI in my hands. Back in December 2004, Jan/feb 2005...I could have got one. Now I feel a little pissed that the opportunity for me to own one has passed. So by all means, you guys can wait till whenever and you'll get your TI....and be happy with it. For a few people (like myself) the opportunity to own one has passed.

But im already putting money aside for the TI MKii.....and im pretty sure that that will be the only VA one ever needs. Id love to see the MKii have a pitch envelope, dedicated keyboard split buttons, tidied up oscilator section (so at all times you know what waveform you've got running on each oscilator), ribbon controller....

DS :P