Creating 808 and 909 drum kits

[the_apparatus]

I have worked out how to do a fairly confincing (and very powerful) kick drum - but snares, rides and hi hats seem much harder to do. Has anyone had any experience of creating sharp, snappy electronic snares like the 909 one? (virus b)

[Tomer=Trance]

try experementing with with the noise generator,filter-pitch envelop and filters.
i belive you might find few patchs in access' guide to analog synth programing.

[techno_7]

If you need the most "real" sounding 909 samples, i reccomend rebirth.

[i3]

shouldnt this topic be in general since it has nothing to do with a virus.

[Timo]

shouldnt this topic be in general since it has nothing to do with a virus.

Er, no, he's using a Virus (B). If we're being anal, the synthesis section would be more pertinent.

Apparatus, check at the bottom of this page:

http://www.soundonsound.com/search?url=%2Fsearch&Keyword=synth+secrets&Words=All&Section=8&Subject=+&Month=+&Year=+&Summary=Yes

...and for kick/bass drum synthesis, check the top of the next page:

http://www.soundonsound.com/search?page=2&Keyword=synth%20secrets&Words=All&Section=8&Subject=%20&Month=%20&Year=%20&Summary=Yes

[Osci]

GREAT LINKS ! thanks

[Timo]

GREAT LINKS ! thanks

Aye, the Sound On Sound archive is a goldmine. :)

[the_apparatus]

Many thanks for the links. Lets not get anal about putting this post in such specific categories - I am using a virus b and generally discussing how to use it.

I spotted a patch last night that sounded very close to a 909 - I am going to try to 'reverse engineer' it to see how it was made, as I heard doing that is a good way to see how sounds were built up. (Reverse engineering tips??)

[Timo]

(Reverse engineering tips??)

SoundDiver, for one. Everything, all the knobs and stuff, are displayed graphically.

[the_apparatus]

good tip, I had forgotton there was this sounddiver thing. Will try it out!

[Timo]

good tip, I had forgotton there was this sounddiver thing. Will try it out!

If you have any problems let me know. I initially had a lot of problems with the special customised bundled sounddiver (for PC) that came with the Virus, but cured it with a full version.

[the_apparatus]

I downloaded soundiver but the pdf manual that comes with it is corrupt and does not open. Is there somewhere else I can get one of the soundiver manuals from?