Heres the money shots!!! [Archive] - The Unofficial Access Virus & Virus TI Forum

04.10.2005, 03:31 PM

ok heres something I had to record ext through spdif. theres little pops and click but Ill sort that out later. I couldnt get a clean export or audio mixdown at all. either they need to work that out or i need to fix something. For the sequencers, I would suggest SX3. Bad news for FL users. Fruityloops had no delay compensation at all. it was hard to get it to sync at all if any and 1 stereo out is all you get. I couldnt figure out how to assign multiple (clarify anyone if you can) midi channels through FL and the plug. SX3 was a breeze as usual. I used up to 6 midi ch no prob through usb with very little cpu usage. I did have some sync loss with the arps but yet again it could be me. I need to tune SX in..

http://trancesource.com/ti/i3TISXtest.mp3

http://trancesource.com/ti/sx3.jpg

MADSTATION

04.10.2005, 03:39 PM

Thanks a lot for the comments!
Cool soundclip and screenshot but the sync issues are a REALLY bad thing :( What's the deal with the programmable arp if you can't even use it?

Doc Jones

04.10.2005, 03:42 PM

Well first of all, sounds really good. I need to listen this on my monitors at my studio when I get home, but it sounds good on the speakers I am using - thanks for posting that i3. 2nd, the ARP issue definitely has me concerned as this is the 2nd time someone mentioned it.

04.10.2005, 03:43 PM

ya true. it may be better in different environments. Ive always had bad sync issues with cubase. always a small delays. I just step sequence the arp now. its more precise.

Doc Jones

04.10.2005, 03:45 PM

Ive always had bad sync issues with cubase. always a small delays. I just step sequence the arp now. its more precise. Ah ok, that's good to know - it may be system specific. I didn't have any issues with my virus c and cubase sx 3, so hopefully because of that, I won't have issues with the TI. They need to send me the synth asap so that i can confirm :wink:

04.10.2005, 03:56 PM

now as a owner of a TI I will have to say im a satisfied person after the wait. I do see some limitations but I did see a great improvement in my work environment as in funcionality and great reduction of cpu. I was using 97% of my cpu using soft synths and now I can work in realtime and throw in a softy here and there. my only concern is that of the exporting and mixdowns. Id rather export then record. It is a usb hog! I have to use my remote 25 via midi. overall its better then the c.

Tomer=Trance

04.10.2005, 04:45 PM

you forgot to turn on the plugin delay compensetion thingy.

Midi_Glider

04.10.2005, 05:28 PM

Is that CPU usage (in the screenshot) for the virus alone?! 8O

Best,
midi.

technomonster

04.10.2005, 05:43 PM

hey i3,

whats the wavetable like

ben crosland

04.10.2005, 05:48 PM

ok heres something I had to record ext through spdif. theres little pops and click but Ill sort that out later. I couldnt get a clean export or audio mixdown at all.I need to tune SX in..

Have you set the Export to realtime? If you don't, you'll just get garbled noise.

Also, for some reason, I always have to re-adjust the ASIO settings before SX3 will behave for me. If I don't, there are drop-outs/stutters, and the arps will go way out as a result, even though there is no actual change to the ASIO settings.

F5D

04.10.2005, 06:33 PM

DIGITAL SCREAMS

04.10.2005, 06:59 PM

Interesting...

BTW how do u take screen shots of ur desktop? And where does the file go (so that io know where to look in order to find it)

DS

Smag

04.10.2005, 07:06 PM

Interesting...

BTW how do u take screen shots of ur desktop? And where does the file go (so that io know where to look in order to find it)

DS

Hit the Print Scrn button on your keyboard which copies it and then paste into a new MS Word document

DIGITAL SCREAMS

04.10.2005, 07:11 PM

ok i hit Prnt Scrn......but then where does the image go? Which folder? I cant find it!

DS

Doc Jones

04.10.2005, 07:17 PM

ok i hit Prnt Scrn......but then where does the image go? Which folder? I cant find it!

DS
once you hit print scrn, the image is copied to your memory - you now need to paste it - typically into something like wordpad or ms word.

DIGITAL SCREAMS

04.10.2005, 07:25 PM

well ive tried that and it doesnt seem to work (blows out cheeks)

Dammit!

Any other suggestions?

Cheers

DS

Midi_Glider

04.10.2005, 07:33 PM

Try pasting it into the windows painter utility. works every time... :wink:

Best,
midi.

rigamortis

04.10.2005, 07:40 PM

well ive tried that and it doesnt seem to work (blows out cheeks)

Dammit!

Any other suggestions?

Cheers

DS

print screen, then open ms paint and press ctrl+v.

marc

04.10.2005, 10:38 PM

Is that CPU usage (in the screenshot) for the virus alone?! 8O

Best,
midi.
I would like to know this too and what computer, soundcard and latency you're using.... I'm trying to figure out if there's more sense to buy a Virus C + another 20" lcd instead of TI if the TI needs too much cpu to run. In fact all the sounds in the demo can be done with any virus.

can i send you two sounds TI sounds (or 100 if you like) and you send me the Virus C equivalents back ;) ? non of the sounds in the TI demos (apart from the drums in the factory demo song) is 100% Virus C compatible

marc

Midi_Glider

04.10.2005, 10:49 PM

Hi marc,

still waiting for my TI keyboard to arrive, but I`m very interested in the CPU usage. how much should it consume on an average machine?

Thx,
midi.

marc

04.10.2005, 11:02 PM

Hi marc,

still waiting for my TI keyboard to arrive, but I`m very interested in the CPU usage. how much should it consume on an average machine?

Thx,
midi.

unfortunately that's not really easy to tell. all i can say is "very low" since the plug-ins doesn't compute any sound but only manages data and does a couple of conversion related tasks.

to be honest, the CPU meter on the screenshot above kind of surprises me a bit and i haven't seen anything like this on our developer machines. i myself use macs and in logic for instance on my powerbook (which is not really fast at all), all you can see is in between one and two bars which converts into hardly any CPU load.

digging deeper into the reasons for the CPU load i would appreciate and the owner of the screenshots should get in touch with us at support@access-music.de

marc

DIGITAL SCREAMS

04.10.2005, 11:04 PM

marc

04.10.2005, 11:17 PM

Hi marc,

still waiting for my TI keyboard to arrive, but I`m very interested in the CPU usage. how much should it consume on an average machine?

Thx,
midi.

CPU usage seems to depend on alot of things. For instance....my P4, 2.4 ghz laptop cant run any softsynth without locking up. Exactly what spec is an average synth these days? I think if you have a dedicated ausio pc...then CPU usage will be minimal.

DS

the whole point about having hardware to calculate the sound is to NOT tax the CPU of your PC. the load of the Virus Conttrol plug-in is absolutely minimal compared to pretty much every half decent plug-in available at present.

marc

Midi_Glider

05.10.2005, 12:18 AM

Thanks for the answer, marc. the vst performance meter on i3 pics was looking rather high (for just using the virus), but I`m pleased to hear the virus control and USB traffic are indeed aren't hitting the system resources too hard.

Best,
midi.

05.10.2005, 01:37 AM

hey guys.. well for all the questions. Im not going to use qoutes since there will to many. as for my specs:

2.4 ghz p4 laptop w/ 512 ddr
audigy pcmia w/ optical spdif
Running Cubase SX3

the card im using gives me 3 asio drivers to work in: creative ASIO, SB Audigy 2 ASIO and SB Audigy 2 ASIO 24/96. so whats the Virus USB AISO driver for? It shows sound levels when active, but is not routing correctly.

Tomer=Trance: hmm must of missed that somewhere.

Midi_Glider: yes thats my cpu usage with TI and NI battery for drums..

technomonster: so far so good! really havent dived into the forms yet. still workin on tuning in SX.

Ben: ya I noticed that to. I tweaked the asio setting and it did have a significant change. Ill give the realtime export another try.

DIGITAL SCREAMS: use the print screen button (Prt SC) and then make a new project in your Image editing software (ms paint or adobe photoshop). Then you just hot key it (ctrl+v) on the canvas. wala! I use PS CS and when you make a new project it already allocates the size of the desktop shot you saved in memory.

marc: NI Battery 2 gives me a signifant increase in cpu load. hopefully thats the reason?

DIGITAL SCREAMS

05.10.2005, 09:40 AM

Thx i3 for the tip

BTW...ur laptop specs are the same asmine. Is it an audio laptop? Or just a regular one? I have a P4 1.8ghz desktop back home which definitely uses less CPU to run softsynths etc. My laptop locks up to 100% even if you use the damn built in calculator. This is where quality audio computers come into their own. They get shipped with minimal CPU hogging background programs.....

DS

05.10.2005, 11:10 AM

Its a sony vaio. Its quite a fast lappy. I usually tweak xp so there no unwanted programs or processes running in the background and optimize the GUI.

DIGITAL SCREAMS

05.10.2005, 11:18 AM

I3......

Interesting. The only thing is...in my experience...laptops are no good for applications which utilize lots of resources....they seem to choke all too easily. Perhaps its the motherboards they use.....maybe the CPU's arent configured correctly i dont know. All I do know is that theoretically my laptop should be more powerful than my lesser desktop...and this certainly isnt the case in practical terms.

Also, sometimes soundcards can be CPU hogs. The Delta 1010....being one of them....

Alas, I use my m8's Carllion Cord 3 audio pc for screwing around on.....and its extremely efficient.

DS

05.10.2005, 11:46 AM

the lappy I have is a desktop replacement. I do have a 1.6 desktop that sux ass. I have the delta 1010 in the desktop and use it for realtime recording. the lappy by far blows it away in efficiency and power. The only thing that sux is that the board is 512ddr max. bah.... optimize the os and your good to go... also depends on what type of cpu you have in the lappy.

ekimeno

05.10.2005, 02:08 PM

Hi - first post here, so greetings to everyone!

OK - so I have the Polar being used with the following setup: G5 iMac with OS X 10.4.2 with 1.5Gb RAM using Digital Performer 4.6 with projects at 24-bit/44.1kHz. I also have a Motu 828Mk2 as the main audio interface and a Lacie Porsche 250Gb firewire hard drive. This is what's happened so far...

v1.01 - Polar set up without a problem and the AU plugin can be used on an instrument track - full control between the virus and the plugin. Open up 1 or several midi tracks and midi recording is enabled and works fine. Audio can be recorded from output 1+2 on the virus through the 828 or as Mix track via the USB cable. Only problems are CPU overhead - regularly between 40% and 60% with occasional spikes into the red at 100% - this is with a latency of 256 samples. If I bring this up to 512 samples, CPU is now at 30 - 50% with no red spikes. The CPU overheads are noted with 1 Ti plugin and 1 24/44 audio track as a backing track.

v1.02 - Still the same CPU overhead, but now, while playing the song, if I change a patch while DP is playing, DP crashes every time. Now can hardly do anything without DP crashing on me.

Despite these niggles, the Polar sounds amazing - definitely in on a new level over the Virus KC. BTW - I have used several normal VI plugins and up to 20 audio tracks at the same sample rate in DP and never get a CPU overhead of more than 50%. Similarly my Nord G2 never gives me any problems with this either. In fact DP has been the most stable DAW I've used - this is the first time I've experienced so many crashes.

Any other Mac/DP users out there that can help?

DIGITAL SCREAMS

05.10.2005, 02:36 PM

OK some of these concerns/questions really ought to be placed in the 'Trouble with your Virus' thread.

Go make a new thread.....

DS

DIGITAL SCREAMS

05.10.2005, 02:39 PM

New TI problem page started here >> http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=4167

DS

ekimeno

05.10.2005, 02:49 PM

Thanks, Digital Screams - posted under your thread in the Virus help section.

marc

05.10.2005, 06:18 PM

[quote="ekimeno"]Hi - first post here, so greetings to everyone!

-snip-
v1.02 - Still the same CPU overhead, but now, while playing the song, if I change a patch while DP is playing, DP crashes every time. Now can hardly do anything without DP crashing on me.

Despite these niggles, the Polar sounds amazing - definitely in on a new level over the Virus KC. BTW - I have used several normal VI plugins and up to 20 audio tracks at the same sample rate in DP and never get a CPU overhead of more than 50%. Similarly my Nord G2 never gives me any problems with this either. In fact DP has been the most stable DAW I've used - this is the first time I've experienced so many crashes.
-snip-
/quote]

if you don't mind, please send me the DP project file so we can verify the CPU load in our test lab. please send it to ms[AT]access-music.de

thanks, marc

06.10.2005, 05:37 AM

bah thanks ekimeno for hijacking my thread! haha...welcome...

Ben: I updated to the revised 1.0.2 and exported a audio mixdown in realtime with no garble. 1.0.1 kept dropping audio.

marc: so whats the Virus USB AISO driver for? It shows sound levels when active, but is not routing correctly.

ten

06.10.2005, 11:33 AM

Few pics of the keyb version...

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ten.dj/ti1.jpg
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ten.dj/ti2.jpg
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ten.dj/ti3.jpg
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ten.dj/ti4.jpg
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ten.dj/ti5.jpg
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ten.dj/ti6.jpg
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ten.dj/ti7.jpg

ten

obliterations

12.10.2005, 08:51 PM

Ok, Cause I said I would post some. This is a first attempt. So forgive me if it doesnt work. I would love to see some more picts if you guys have em!

http://boundinoblivion.com/VirusTi/VirusBoxed.jpg

http://boundinoblivion.com/VirusTi/PlasticVirus.jpg

http://boundinoblivion.com/VirusTi/IonVirus16plus.jpg

obliterations

12.10.2005, 08:56 PM

well shoot. Let me try again... Durr....

http://boundinoblivion.com/VirusTi/VirusBoxed.jpg
http://boundinoblivion.com/VirusTi/PlasticVirus.jpg
http://boundinoblivion.com/VirusTi/IonVirus16plus.jpg

dr. orange

13.10.2005, 09:47 AM

has the panel been changed a bit?

have a look at "Matrix": http://media.samedaymusic.com/media/brand,sameday/virus_ti_desktop_topshot_CMYK-716ca2a226c4d075c9bfcc565e80db69.jpg

and aren't there less LEDs in your version of the TI?

Origami

13.10.2005, 11:04 AM

oh, if envy were dirt, I would have to take 5 showers in a row.

Reishen

14.10.2005, 04:18 PM

here's my money shots hehe. I didn't like the software install, it actually took awhile and the instructions weren't clear. It wasnt able to find the USB Midi drivers on the first installation, and it didn't locate them until I rebooted and restarted the installation process. 8O At the moment, I'm only gonna be using the USB connection as a software/firmware updater until it becomes more stable.

http://www.sectorliandra.com/public/ti1.jpg

http://www.sectorliandra.com/public/ti2.jpg

Doc Jones

14.10.2005, 05:48 PM

nice setups everyone - I will try to post mine later on.
Damn Ten, I didn't think it was possible for your setup to get any better . . . :)

midislut

15.10.2005, 08:50 PM

Reishen

I see you use analog output on the TI ? Why ?

also are you still using the eletron machine drum...? i want to sell mine i hardly use it at all

MS

Reishen

15.10.2005, 10:31 PM

The analog outs are far more reliable for me than the USB connection at the moment. I probably won't be using the USB connection until a later revision.

I love my machinedrum.

3o3

15.10.2005, 11:41 PM

Holy crap Reishen! Now that's a really nice setup. You only miss one or two analogue synths and off ye go!

I am really jealous sir!

dr. orange

16.10.2005, 11:21 PM

http://trancesource.com/ti/i3TISXtest.mp3
WONDERFUL i3!

Reishen

17.10.2005, 04:59 AM

Thanks 3o3

All the hardware on that rig is pretty much my main setup. The Virus Ti was was the last piece. There used to be an Indigo there but I sold it last year. From here on out its gonna be all software :twisted:

Hollowcell

17.10.2005, 01:00 PM

Great to see a few pics guys!

Specially like the pic of the OS upgrade in process.
Many of you will be seeing that screen many times in the near future,
but stick with it.
It won't be long before it's rocksolid.

grs

17.10.2005, 01:40 PM

Here's the money shots from Australia!

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/virusti/album?.dir=/75c9&.src=ph

Featuring a very cheeky young cat.
:wink:

Phlegethon

24.10.2005, 07:33 AM

I got infected today!!!

My TI finally arrived into his new home! I had some troubles with rack mounting it, the holes are bit off set! Anyway, now I am a very happy TI owner!! Access, please fix the bugs soooon, this sexy synth deserves more than that buggy OS!

Anyway, some pictures of him socializing with friends in play ground -

http://i.pbase.com/v3/79/607379/1/51201995.DSC01203.JPG

Him talking in German to his fellow comrades from THE castle! -

http://i.pbase.com/v3/79/607379/1/51202032.DSC01204.JPG

technomonster

24.10.2005, 08:09 AM

hey Phlegethon,

thats just a beautiful photo.

are you a succesful cd selling artist.

you must be with gear like that.
just say yeas or no, or just a little bit.

unless you have very rich heritage of course

Phlegethon

24.10.2005, 10:24 AM

are you a succesful cd selling artist.

you must be with gear like that.
just say yeas or no, or just a little bit.

Hi technomonster,
I am not a "succesful cd selling artist", CDs do not sell these days, (iPod's fault) :)

anyway, i am not rich, i am just a freelancer that does scores for theater and game companies, have to work very hard to get the NEXT job, whole thing is just a catch22 game. with a job like that you would not get much sleep at all! got to spend 2/3 of the day with knobs and screens. thats all i can say about myself, not interesting at all.

i am so glad that i got a few weeks off at the moment, but now i have to choose between my girlfriend and TI!

what a decision to make!! Why October! Access :D

3o3

24.10.2005, 10:51 AM

i am so glad that i got a few weeks off at the moment, but now i have to choose between my girlfriend and TI

Hoho. We all know what decision you're gonna make.. dont we?

DIGITAL SCREAMS

24.10.2005, 01:44 PM

Actually i guess i must be *really* lucky as my girlfriend really likes synths. She plays on my DX7 whenever she comes round. Ironically she can play piano to high standard....so it kinda makes me aggrivated :lol:

There is nothing better than seeing your girlfriend play ur synths and talk about the sounds as being atmospheric etc. Wow i scored!!!!

DS :lol:

3o3

24.10.2005, 02:27 PM

Well.. My girlfriend used to be a "boss" (boss is the wrong word.. but i can't translate the swedish word for it into english) for a studio.

A pretty big studio aswell.. Yay!

Althou, i haven't been there myself and I have no intention of ever walking into that studio.

Edit: I won't go to that studio since.. well, i am fed up with music..