The VIRUS TI and LOGIC 5.5.1 users THREAD

[technomonster]

well here i am again with a Logic 5.5.1 issue.

I've decided to start this thread for all the happy LOGIC 5.5.1 users who have purchased the VIRUS TI, their thoughts (and maybe some little problems) .

i havent recieved mine just yeat , but if anyone has please tell us how its all going.

[technomonster]

well im back 2 hours later, and no Logic 5.5.1 input.

well mmmmmmmmmmmmm

you never know, maybe the beta software might be just good enough for LOGIC 5.5.1.
I am personally not fussed about the audio intergration at all.
i just want that cool lookin and great sounding synth to create music with and just have a simple software editor.

if using just the TI software for sound editing and automation, that would do me fine. Maybe the beta version could be doing just that already perfectly.

[jasedee]

you never know, maybe the beta software might be just good enough for LOGIC 5.5.1.
Hasnt Ben Crosland already told you that everything works fine in 5.5.1????????????

I remember there being some discussion on this, as this was his sequencer of choice

[technomonster]

yes jaseedee, he did say that sought of, but the operating system keeps upgrading. might change things.
do i sound paranoid???????????
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

its just that if one changes an update, i dont think you can go backwards.
and if a new update works less well then.............

put it this way. i have delta 1010 card and the 2nd latest driver for WINDOWS XP worked heaps better than the latest. and HEAPS better than the 3rd latest. god knows why.
Luckily in this case i could go back to the 2nd latest. and the 2nd latest is simply perfect for my setup. my system sounds just great. (if it works, dont change it - they say)

to make sure that i have it for a long time , i have 4 copies of the second latest, because if it is off the download section of M-AUDIO you cant get it becaus e it wont be supported.

my system has not crashed yet, although i guess not fully tested.

hey jaseseedee, notice my slight edit change in opening post in this topic :wink:

[jasedee]

I guess the only thing you could do is to stay at the orginal OS, and not update.

Or....Jump ship to apple ;)

I did and have never looked back :)

I know what you mean though. I have some software that is not supported anymore (TC Works SparkXL) and if I want to keep using it it means I cant upgrade my Apple OS!

[ben crosland]

You can re-install old OS builds if you wish.

[technomonster]

Hey Ben Crosland,

well, now another question.

I am really not fussed about the audio USB bit as i have said before.

have you just used the VIRUS TI in Logic 5.5.1 as a patch editor librarian and used just the analog outs for the audio.

i guess that means the sequences would be on the audio instrument tracks and if i were to press RECORD on transport in LOGIC 5.5.1 i would record the sequence into an AUDIO track, like the good old days.

In this scenario is the LOGIC CONTROL faultless already in the beta version for the LOGIC AUDIO 5.5.1.

I infact would have lost interst in the TI if I couldnt get the complete HARDWARE SOUND with the warts and all, D/A output converters (as an option) , just to harden the sound.
i AM A NOT A MONSTER FOR NOTHING

[technomonster]

does the good old hyper draw get ever used on LOGIC 5.5.1, with the TI

like all my other synths do for tweeking on the synth KNOBS.

is there only the automation in LOGIC audio instrument tracks option, for tweeking the keyboard knobs on the TI.

IF ONE doesnt use the VIRUS CONTROL, does the hyperdraw option still exist.

i dont mind just using the VIRUS CONTROL for purely patch editing.

[Mister Orange]

Has this thread gone cold? Has anybody managed to get Logic 5 on Windows to recognise virus control at all? :roll:

[technomonster]

hey mr orange,

i havent recieved my TI yet so i dont know how well its going to work.

ben crosland apparently is using it, so it must be okay.
i have noticed he has been so busy lately answering questions, i havent asked him anything for a while, but will hit him with a question soon.

just dont know how its coping with the bugs that people are reporting.

you never know, it might work the best on logic 5.5.1 which is what i use and dont want to change.

[Mister Orange]

Ben replied to the "other list" and implied it works fine. I'm going to give it another go and will keep this thread posted when I've got it to work.

I don't want an Apple and I don't want Cubase, so I'm happy to stick with Logic 5 for now. Actually, I want my ATARI back!!!!! Waaaaahhhhhh :cry:

Don't suppose virus control will run on a 512Mb STe do you? :lol:

[technomonster]

hey mr orange.

i actually believe that LOGIC 5.5.1 is the best program around.

just wondering if other people know why i wrote that

[ben crosland]

Ben replied to the "other list" and implied it works fine. I'm going to give it another go and will keep this thread posted when I've got it to work.

I don't want an Apple and I don't want Cubase, so I'm happy to stick with Logic 5 for now. Actually, I want my ATARI back!!!!! Waaaaahhhhhh :cry:

Don't suppose virus control will run on a 512Mb STe do you? :lol:

There's a possibility that the problems you are experiencing are to do with your computer hardware. You can be assured that Access are working hard on this stuff right now, so hang in there!

I can personally vouch for Logic 5.5.1 compatibility - I have been firing it up on a daily basis, and the only problem I have found that is specific to Logic is that it doesn't start up Virus Control properly until you highlight an Audio Instrument track which actually contains the VC plugin. This is only a minor irritation though, and doesn't amount to an 'incompatiblity' - it's just the way Logic does things.

[technomonster]

thanks for that ben crosland.

just another little question,

with the report of bugs here and there, especially with the arp and certain latencies, do these bugs apply to LOGIC 5.5.1 as well.

or is LOGIC 5.5.1 working perfectly already in the beta version, just by chance.
i am just hoping that the updates to fix up bugs dont suddenly make LOGIC 5.5.1 uncompatible.
I am hoping that the fixing of bugs is just trying to fix up the beta release, and not actually adjusting to new a technology, if you know what i mean.

as i am a technilogical "dunce" just wondering if I wil get any helpfrom ACCESS for my fumbles with its use with LOGIC 5.5.1.
i hope i get some help.

when ACCESS decides to change everything to VST 3 which will kill off LOGIC 5.5.1, i just hope that the VC will end up perfect in all forms of VST 2 and us LOGIC AUDIO 5.5.1 users can happily live with the VC for VST 2 for ever until our deaths wiht our good old pentium 4s, WHILE EVERYONE ELSE IS ON VST 3.

ALSO BEN, when you said that you fire up the VIRU TI on LOGIC 5.5.1 PLATINUM (PLATINUM I HOPE) do you mean fire it up to test it for bugs, or do you mean fire it up to compose and program and have fun

[ben crosland]

i am just hoping that the updates to fix up bugs dont suddenly make LOGIC 5.5.1 uncompatible.
I am hoping that the fixing of bugs is just trying to fix up the beta release, and not actually adjusting to new a technology, if you know what i mean.


I doubt it, but who knows? I hope not, as it is my preferred platform. And no, Logic is not exempt from the reported problems, unfortunately.

ALSO BEN, when you said that you fire up the VIRU TI on LOGIC 5.5.1 PLATINUM (PLATINUM I HOPE) do you mean fire it up to test it for bugs, or do you mean fire it up to compose and program and have fun

Not much time for fun round these parts ;) Actually, I'm not much of a composer tbh, so I just use it to test stuff, write scores for teaching with, and occasionally knock out a dodgy groove ;)

[technomonster]

so any more news.

[nutekk]

Not much time for fun round these parts

Thats a real shame.you should really do somethin about that.

[Mister Orange]

I haven't had any luck getting Logic 5.5 (PC) to recognise Virus Control. It simply doesn't show up in the audio instrument inert points - anywhere. The DLLs go into the VST Plugins folder OK, and some other files (.cfg I think) appear in that folder after I've opened up Logic, but nothing happens in Logic itself. I've been into the registry, inserted, deleted, edited every possible permutation of references to vstplugins and these DLLs, to no avail. I've copied the DLLs into the system32 folder to see if that works. Nadda.

It's not such a big worry for me, since my set up is mostly hardware strung together with midi leads(hence the reason I'm happy using an aging copy of Logic), but I wouldn't mind the patch librarian, and the parameter recall seems pretty handy, but nothing that can't be done from the front panel.

I'm kinda waiting for the major dust to settle with the major vc bugs that litter this forum before hassling tech support with issues relating to an aging copy of Logic for PC. But I would love to hear from anyone who's got it working.

Mr O 8)

[Mister Orange]

YES.

Finally got Logic 5.5.1 to recognise Virus Control. Don't know whether it's got anything to do with v 1.06, but my money's on the fact that I finally did a fresh install.

Windows XP - Service pack 1 - Logic 5.5.1 - Nothing else! No internet connection, no antivirus, no adobe acrobat reader, no office software, no wireless network, no downloads, no Windows update, no emails, no porno, no screensavers, no nothing! XP - SP1 - Logic!

I can't say it was the most straightforward install putting the VC software on; I kept getting asked where blah, blah, blah files were. So, while doing the install, I'm busy using 'Windows Find' to, err... find them. It wasn't looking good and I wasn't terribly hopeful, to put it mildly.

But hey. There it was, in one of those instrument insert points. Click and up it popped in all its glory.

Irony is, having had a quick play to check it sort-of worked, I realised I was actually getting on fine without the so-called Total Integration, and haven't bothered with it since. I have read such nightmare tales on this forum and elsewhere that, to be honest, I couldn't be arsed!

Nice to know it's there though. :wink:

Mr O.

[technomonster]

mr orange wrote

Windows XP - Service pack 1 - Logic 5.5.1 - Nothing else! No internet connection, no antivirus, no adobe acrobat reader, no office software, no wireless network, no downloads, no Windows update, no emails, no porno, no screensavers, no nothing! XP - SP1 - Logic!


thats amazing.

that is exactly what i have, and it is a dream.


actually i hope mr orange you do!!!!!!!!!!! try the virus control with LOGIC 5.5.1,

cause i have put down a grand as deposit for my TI already and wont purchase it completely until an update pretty well clears up all the bugs.

i am very bad with technology and dont think i could handle sussing out bugs.
i also just want to use the VC as patch editing and storage as well as using the automation feature, but want to use analog outs to have the complete hardware sound with the D/A converters, and then getiing the DELTA 1010 treatment.

i like that sound!!!

hope you are VIRUS CONTOLLING mr orange

[The girl next door]

Windows XP - Service pack 1 - Logic 5.5.1 - Nothing else! No internet connection, no antivirus, no adobe acrobat reader, no office software, no wireless network, no downloads, no Windows update, no emails, no porno, no screensavers, no nothing! XP - SP1 - Logic!
.

We're also using 5.5.1.but couldn't get it (5.5.1) to run on NTFS i had to Delete the partitions. then re-Partition and format the hard drive with an old "Windows 98 boot CD" to get it into the Fat32 state,then installed XP keeping it FAT32 and Logic works well.also if you don't know (But i'm sure you do)there are loads of things you have to switch off on XP for an audio computer (XP Audio Tuning)to get it to run stable.Here is a link on our website with the list of things to switch off http://www.thegirlnextdoor.de/XPtuning.htm
http://www.thegirlnextdoor.de/BANNER2.gif

[Mister Orange]

So, Girl Next Door... Are you running, and using, the Virus Control software within Logic 5.5.1? Do you have, as they say, "Total Integration"?

Mr O

[midislut]

pardon me but is'nt logic 5 a bit old technology

[The girl next door]

So, Girl Next Door... Are you running, and using, the Virus Control software within Logic 5.5.1? Do you have, as they say, "Total Integration"?

Mr O
Yeah running Total integration....Sweet as a nut...
Total integration is 1 of the main reasons why i brought the Ti :roll:

pardon me but is'nt logic 5 a bit old technology
Not if your a Non Mac owner :cry:

[Mister Orange]

Logic 5.5.1 was the last release Emagic made for the PC platform, before selling their company to Apple. Some of us liked and still do like that program, but were and still are a bit pissed off at the prospect of either; a) buying an Apple computer to continue to upgrade Logic, or b) buying into a different sequencer package like Cubase.

So personally, I like to stick with Logic 5.5.1. Also, it does what I need it to do just fine.

Mr O

[The girl next door]

Logic 5.5.1 was the last release Emagic made for the PC platform, before selling their company to Apple. Some of us liked and still do like that program, but were and still are a bit pissed off at the prospect of either; a) buying an Apple computer to continue to upgrade Logic, or b) buying into a different sequencer package like Cubase.

So personally, I like to stick with Logic 5.5.1. Also, it does what I need it to do just fine.

Mr O
Yeah...Rock on ! Mister Orange..We feel the same way..
I started with Cubase and Changed to Logic 5.5.1. about 9 months ago.It's the best thing i've ever done...Logic is well wicked....

[crunkmaster]

Logic 5.5.1 was the last release Emagic made for the PC platform, before selling their company to Apple. Some of us liked and still do like that program, but were and still are a bit pissed off at the prospect of either; a) buying an Apple computer to continue to upgrade Logic, or b) buying into a different sequencer package like Cubase.

So personally, I like to stick with Logic 5.5.1. Also, it does what I need it to do just fine.

Mr O
Yeah...Rock on ! Mister Orange..We feel the same way..
I started with Cubase and Changed to Logic 5.5.1. about 9 months ago.It's the best thing i've ever done...Logic is well wicked....

you are both damn right. logic is teh shit. i gladly spent a little more time up front learning the more difficult/squacky "ins and outs" of logic to reap the rewards of how customizable and intuitive it really is.

just got my TI keyb last night. running winxp sp2. athlon 3600+/msi neo4 2xpci-X. logic splatnium 551

installed virus software no problems. flashed up to 1.06 no problem. loaded virus control in logic, little shakey, rebooted. loaded VC on audioinst in logic again. NO PROBLEM. at first midi was a little loose, then it seemed to tighten up. now im rippin the sikkest basslines and leads.

YO DONT BUY THE VIRUS TI. (that way only I WILL HAVE THE SIKKEST SOUNDS and MORE INTEGRATION THAN YOU)

no really buy this thing its unreal. this thing can squeal, tinkle, shimmer, rip, thump and ROAR. can sound like the pure sunshine or the perfect
storm.

ONLY THING IS. automation works for the most part, however i turn a channel on touch/write, hit play, twist one of the data knobs (under the LCD) it WONT WRITE THE automation. however i use my mouse (software synth style) in VC and it automates.. WTF... Ben Help! this must be fixed!!! ;D

in conclusion. access rules, virus ti rules, logic PC rules. ODOYLE RULES

[technomonster]

LOGIC 5.5.1 for all you folks out there is simply the greatest sounding and most intiuitive host sequencer in history.

better than logic 7 in my opinion, and i have no idea why there is ever so slight a slight difference in the sound between the 2.
i might be losing my marbles here.

that is why i wont change, and will buy DSP cards to allow me to stay on it for the next 5 years at least.

yes i have tried both.

[The girl next door]

just got my TI keyb last night. running winxp sp2. athlon 3600+/msi neo4 2xpci-X. logic splatnium 551


Just out of interest are you runing on Fat32 or NTFS ??

Buy the way my Ti is running well wicked...(Shit were going to put Ben out-a-job if this keeps up) :wink:

[solconnection]

I just got my TI yesterday (woo hoo finally) and Tried it with both Cubase SX 2.2 (i know 3.1 is recommended, but i cant afford that) and logic 5.51 on PC and got the best results from Logic by miles. (Virus V1.06R2)

had similar installation experience ot mr orange...the installer really needs some work :) i even had to do some registry editing to get it to run at all (couldnt find folder %VSTPLUGINS% error..)

I actually got about 14 channels of TI going using the Virus Control plugin on a quick test :) ...things went a bit sloppy here and there, got the odd drop out and other 'features' often talked about here but once going it was great....really freaking awesome !!! :) decreasing the latency on my card helped tighten it up (which i had increased to get a bit more cpu for my tracks)

Two problems though:
1. The Ti is playing either before or after the rest of my VSTs/audio tracks in logic...If i make a track just with the TI its great, but if i try to run it with anything else it sounds like a cats bum...any way to fix this?...

2. on mixdown it played back like doo doo :( im hoping someone can help me with that...as without mixdown its useless.

i also got it running in both logic 5.51 and cubase SX2.2 without using virus control, which worked well in both cases...oh, i did get one of those really nasty Blue Screen of Deaths (win32k.sys) in logic..but after a reboot she was fine.

in all though...even without the TI aspect...this thing sounds so unbeleivably good that its worth the money just for the hardware :) So powerful and clean (or dirty as hell if you want it to be)....its really got guts!. Im happy to wait a bit longer (or do a few tweaks) to get it solid.

have a nice day
-Dan

[crunkmaster]

just got my TI keyb last night. running winxp sp2. athlon 3600+/msi neo4 2xpci-X. logic splatnium 551


Just out of interest are you runing on Fat32 or NTFS ??

Buy the way my Ti is running well wicked...(Shit were going to put Ben out-a-job if this keeps up) :wink:


NTFS forever!

Hey... i'm actually still kind of a logic newb when it comes to advanced environment stuff. Can anyone provide me with a link or a quick tutorial about how to do stem mixing in 551?

(I like the sound of the virus D/A converters so far and id like to sum my virus tracks digitally, then add that virus stem + my perc + bass with a nice analog mixer or gain summing unit )

goddamn it i wants to go home and use the precious TI!

[Mister Orange]

So glad this thread has come back to life. Sounds like all the 5.5.1 phreaks are so busy making their TIs work, that they haven't got time to hang out in forums :wink:

Check this out though... I fished an old, half-broken, Dell Pentium 1 laptop out of the bin at work, and installed Logic 5.5.1 and Virus Control, and it worked!!! (Although don't expect miracles).

So (don't laugh), here's my "current" PC spec...

5 year-old clapped out Dell latitude Cpt / 500MHz celeron (ugh!) processor / 196Mb RAM (not even the min spec for XP) / faulty keyboard / no sound card / Win XP SP1 / FAT 32 / strange buzzing sound coming out of the chassis... / Logic 5.5.1 / TI v 1.06

Works!

Rock on 5.5.1 8)

Mr O

[technomonster]

hey mr orange,

glad to see you writing again on this TOPIC.

with your real set up how is the TI fairing with LOGIC 5.5.1.
I HAVE PUT MY DEPOSIT on the TI AND WAITING for the all clear to buy it when everything is pretty well fixed. i am not good at all this and have to wait.

[solconnection]

well after some more experimenting, virus control is still working for me but just not reliably enough yet to write a track with :) so im going to be using the midi cables and analogue in/outs for a while :)

sometimes it just switches to an -init- style buzzing sound and i have to restart logic...quite annoying. Get little pops and clicks here and there which arent desirable in a mixdown either.

if anyone can tell me how to adjust the delay of virus control so it will sit in time with the rest of my audio/vst tracks it would be much appreciated....are there any delay compensation plugins? :)

have a nice day
-Dan

[Mister Orange]

Technomonster wrote:

with your real set up how is the TI fairing with LOGIC 5.5.1.


Not sure I'm your best role model here, since I'm still pretty happy with my midi setup. I was just enjoying experimenting with what is and isn't possible, and was also keen to see what all the 'virus control' fuss is about.

In my "real" set up, I can hook up just about any old PC running Logic, since midi sequencing demands hardly any processing power.

I still want to wait a little longer until most of the bug reports have settled down before engaging with some more serious experimentation with virus control. I don't want to screw my head up feeling like I 'need' to get this or that to work, when my midi set up works fine for me right now.

However, there does seem to be a growing band of people, both on this forum and on the ampfea mailing list (such as Ben Crossland and Girl Next Door), who are successfully using virus control with Logic 5.5.1.

Remember though, the REALLY great thing about this synth is how it sounds! It's a monster synth with all the playability you could wish for! Go get one.

IMHO, the TI bit is just icing on the cake that can help with workflow.

Mr O

[solconnection]

got a bit of feedback from access telling me to enable plugin delay compenstation

Options>Preferences>Audio Preferences>Plug-in delay compensation.

this fixed heaps up :) bounce now works fine, no more pops and clicks (granted i wasnt stressing the TI too much...only like 4 channels going, but it was working great)

its unreal though...arps in sync, multi channel virus controlled :) i see so much potential :)

the *only* problem now is that after like 30 mins (sometimes more, sometimes less) it will crash and die via explosion, a loud -INIT- style buzzing sound or no sound (even though it says its receiving midi)

once this is sorted out im running free :) anyone have any ideas on this? or is it a known bug....? it usually happens on patch change (either through virus control or on the ti itself) but sometimes happens when its running free and im not even interacting with it.

im probably going to go to mister oranges setup too until its all worked out...any trouble recording automation this way mate?

thanks in advance

have a nice day
-Dan

[The girl next door]

Technomonster wrote:

However, there does seem to be a growing band of people, both on this forum and on the ampfea mailing list (such as Ben Crossland and Girl Next Door), who are successfully using virus control with Logic 5.5.1.


It is running well But now and then the apreggiator starts losing itself.But if you do a "Save as" at the bottom of the Ti VSTi window and reload the setting, it then corrects itself.Bit of a pain in the arse but only takes 2 seconds still better than firing down and back up again(Hopefully this will be corrected in the future)..And the save button does not work next to the load button on the left hand side on each track/part,we click it and nothing happens,it used to work but not anymore(so we just drag and drop from the track/part into the main list of the current preset in the main window,that also works)..We sent an E-mail to access with this problem but ain't got a answer yet...
Apart from that its running well....
Here is a tip for all you trance monsters out there to double the speed of your trance and still keep it at 136-140 BPM...Turn on your apreggiator with a mental Saw sound,Bang up your apreggiator to 1 over 32 not the normal 1 over 16, then play your keyboard so it only lets out 2 sounds on each key press (Its hard because its very quick so you will Probably have to draw in the data in the Matrix)
sounds good don't it ???
Or play/record a tune/Midi data then switch on the apreggiator as mentioned above,then shorten the notes in the matrix till they only let out 2 apreggiator sounds on each note...

We love it.................... :wink:

[The girl next door]

also, has anyone ever heard of this???? if we had loads of VSTis running especially the Z3ta+ we sometimes got memory warnings in 5.5.1. also we had to but our Latency up on our MOTU 828 MK2 cause we were getting Asio warnings......
You will never guess what it was......... RAM !!! even though we had all Infineon in there (1x 1024, 2x 512) all DDR400s. one of them was F***ing us around :twisted: .(it wasn't nackered)....Whats that all about??? took it out and bobs your uncles cat. :D

[wavesinspace]

why do you need to run zeta+ when youve got a virus ti???? z3ta /albino2 = wannabe virus... seriously.

tb-303 devilfish + virus ti + emu command station w/world kit + 88 key keyboard + mackie srm-450 = heaven

I trying to squeeze my nord g2 in there - but it is a bit frankenstein.

Hi all, I just wanted to add that I am back on trusty logic 5.5 pc after owning a powerbook + logic 7.1... I sold my powerbook because I couldnt justify keeping it just for logic, especially since they are so wishy washy going to intel and such.. not to mention that annoying xskey just waiting to break off my usb port.. I also wanted to try a bunch of crazy vst's on pc only to find they dont sound nearly as good as my ti... went to cubase sx3, hated it, then to ableton 5.2, with soso results...I concluded that ableton is not song oriented enough for me so now I am back on logic 5.5 on a pIII laptop windows 2000, with a little extra $$ in my pocket. Logic 5.5 roks and is suprisingly more stable than logic 7... I do wish they would have kept the pc version going but oh well. Logic 5.5 is good for me. I do hope access realizes that 5.5 is still being used.

-paul

[The girl next door]

why do you need to run zeta+ when youve got a virus ti???? z3ta /albino2 = wannabe virus... seriously.


There are some Great VSTi Plugs out there...2 of which you have mentioned, also the minimonsta,Blue,Korg and the Spectrasonic stuff.
Don't be so narrow minded :wink: Explore :!:

[technomonster]

wavesinspace wrote.



Logic 5.5 roks and is suprisingly more stable than logic 7... I do wish they would have kept the pc version going but oh well. Logic 5.5 is good for me. I do hope access realizes that 5.5 is still being used.


well all i can say is you have made a great choice.

it actually sounds amazing as far as host sequencer sound engine attributes go. i have no idea why.

i wonder if it will work on the new 64 bit windows xp and the new windows OS coming out next year and on 64 bit computers.

hope so because i want to use it for the next 10 years.

[technomonster]

so wavesinspace

how is the TI treating you with your set-up

[technomonster]

well its been a few months since the release of TI.

i still havent bought mine althought the deposit is still stiing in the shop.

just wondering whether it is safe now for a technological dummy like me to buy the ti.

HOW ARE THE ti updates treating logic 5.5.1.
ESPECIALLY TO YOU GUYS, THE GIRL NEXT DOOR

[The girl next door]

well its been a few months since the release of TI.

i still havent bought mine althought the deposit is still stiing in the shop.

just wondering whether it is safe now for a technological dummy like me to buy the ti.

HOW ARE THE ti updates treating logic 5.5.1.
ESPECIALLY TO YOU GUYS, THE GIRL NEXT DOOR
1.07 running like a dream installed 1.08 then the problems started APR timing loss and the problems everyone seems to be having - missing patches in presets...So we have gone back to 1.07... :lol: