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DIGITAL SCREAMS
18.10.2005, 07:34 PM
Ok, well ive had the DX7 for about 4 months now and Id like to give you the lowdown on FM synthesis and my thoughts on the DX7 in general...

First off, the DX7MKII FD is a well built machine. The key action is very good and rivals most current VA's. All the buttons have a great feel to them and the sliders are great. The backlit LCD display is very good an displays just about enough information.....all in all, they look sexy and are very nice to wank over...

FM SYNTHESIS

One of the first things to hit me when I bought the DX was just how expansive the programming possibilities were/are. Now I know why Brian Eno swears by them.....and only uses DX's.

Conceptually I understand how FM works. What I dont understand is just how the various algorithm configurations are supposed to influence the overall tone. Hmmm....I fundemental limitation you might ask....well in fact no....its not.

Selecting the algorithm is one of the last things I do when finalising a patch. True...organs sound best when using algorithm 32....and leads sound best when using either 5, 27 or 29. For the most part....any algorithm can be used for any sound.

I start by swithing on all the operators and making sure their outputs are all set at maximum. Contrary to programming guildlines....the manual and other sources will tell you to program each operator/modulator one at a time. But, where dealing with additive synthesis here as well as FM. How are you supposed to imagine hypothetical harmonics?

Next, I think of a basic lead, bass, FX or pad envelope....and adjust accordingly. You have to do this for each operator and there 8 stage envelopes. The 'copy' function makes quick work of this. Only when your wishing to make wavetable type sounds would you then want to make subtle tweaks to each operators envelope.

Now comes the fun part. Tuning the operators. This is where it either goes brilliantly or horribly wrong. When first starting out, Id recommend you use ratio tunings of 1.00 - 12.00. If one of your modulators is set to 12.00....then its usually best to set all others as 1.00. Only when you become more comfortable should you then start experimenting with more extravagent ranges and fine tunings. A point about the fine tuneing of 6 operators. As you can imagine, on sabtractive synths, detuning 1 or two oscilators from the fundemental is doable and good. But when you effectively have 6 'oscilators' some of which are acting as modulators of a carrier...you can seriosly get into f*$% up (and sometimes interesting) territory..... :lol:

Next comes the 8 stage pitch envelope. I recommend you stay away from these unless you ARE making guitar patches or some weird FX. The practicality of using pitch generators is limited for most synth sounds....and I only tend to use small amounts of inverted pitch on basses and leads. In addition to this, I know some of you have asked for pitch generators to be included on the virus. In my opinion....pitch generators are going to have little practical application for subtractive 'analog' sounds.....perhaps with the wavetables they'd be quite interesting. But until you've actually mastered how to pitch generators....I wouldnt bother Access to implement them :wink:

OK, so now you have your operators activated, tuned and envelop'ed! Next is to set the individual outputs for each operator. THIS MAKES A MASSIVE difference to the overall color/tone of your sound. Making subtle tweaks here and there can bring out really beautiful ENO style timbres....

And thats about it folks. Making basses, leads, bells, metallic drones and *outthere* fx.....is actually pretty easy. Its not as hard as people make out. Granted, the FM guitars and space FX are hardcore.....but in terms of simple, evolving FM sounds.....its quite a breeze to do yourself.

The bottom line is; if any of you are seriosuly looking for alternative sounds then check out a DX7. Its one of the most versatile synths ever made.....and definitely one of my best purchases ever.

DS

Tomer=Trance
18.10.2005, 08:22 PM
i think i'l stick with my beloved NI FM7.

you had a chance to do an A\B test between them yet?

MADSTATION
18.10.2005, 08:28 PM
Great review :)

jasedee
18.10.2005, 08:29 PM
Nice work DS....

Would love to pick up a DX7 or D50 soon!

DIGITAL SCREAMS
18.10.2005, 09:00 PM
i think i'l stick with my beloved NI FM7.

you had a chance to do an A\B test between them yet?

The guy who sold me the DX7...demo'ed it in comparison to the hardware. He was using Good speakers....and there was a sublte difference. The software sounding a little thinner....and a bit less presence. One must conlcude then that the hardware must colour the sound slightly as the output stage?

Id take the hardware version over the software...purely because i want a DX7....no emulation....

DS

Tomer=Trance
18.10.2005, 10:54 PM
I love fm7 sounds ,put it in my music,put it in my salad and put it on the grill. i'l have it! :D

i only wish yahama could have put a decent multimode analog filter insted of... NO filter at all 8O but i guess they wanted to keep it budget and analog components would have made it expensive.

say you tried runing it thru some analog synths yet? (which ones do you\your mate got left ? do you still have the Pro1? )

DIGITAL SCREAMS
18.10.2005, 11:19 PM
say you tried runing it thru some analog synths yet? (which ones do you\your mate got left ? do you still have the Pro1? )

Prophet 5, Pro-One, Mono-Poly, Casio CZ3000.....and yes there is another DX7MKiiFD....lol. 2 DX7's.....just aswell because some of the patches ive made do use unison.....and having more than 4 voices for thick pads comes in handy....this is why ENO has two....

Sadly the Jupiter 8 went to Duran Duran....but once im out of uni ill prioritise money to get one. Its my favourite synth of all time. THey cannot be faulted

Actually, this weekend im going over to my m8's so 'ill prob run some of my new DX7 sounds through the Pro-One filter and see what happens. Ill try and make some mp3's if anyones interested...

DS

Onkel Dunkel
19.10.2005, 07:00 AM
Nice review :D I?ve been thinking about getting a DX7 but a haven?t got any room for it at the moment. Maybe i?ll get one when i some day move to a bigger place :roll:

Hollowcell
19.10.2005, 01:13 PM
I do like the FM sounds too. I see so many DX7s here, so one day I may grab one - dunno though as there is a fair chunk of gear on my list.

By the way DS...

I watched those movies of that guy demo-ing the ins and outs of Midi (pun intended). Pretty funny. :D

DIGITAL SCREAMS
19.10.2005, 01:28 PM
HC

Yeah they're funny............especially the trouble shooting one :lol:

Glad you linked them. If anyone else wants to view them....grab the 7 videos here >> http://qotile.net/videos.html

Grab them whilst you can....one day they might be gone!

DS

SoundzplastikSurgeon
19.10.2005, 01:40 PM
Hey DS !! sorry to hijack your thread, but I remember listening/watching one of your tunes/video...if that was you...80 style, with mega modular synths in a room and a guy (I think you) singing about some girl...Am I right or just confusing you with somebody else ?
Anyway if it is you I want to congratulate you on a very good piece, repost the link please...

DIGITAL SCREAMS
21.10.2005, 02:38 PM
I dont think that was me :cry:

Actually i knwo it wasnt me! But if you can describe this video in more detail maybe i still have it and can send it to u via msn. Are u on my buddy list?

DS

SoundzplastikSurgeon
21.10.2005, 06:22 PM
I am not on your buddy list, but searching in the forum I found it, it's "homewrecker".

DIGITAL SCREAMS
25.10.2005, 04:00 PM
I am not on your buddy list

Sacrilidge!

Glad you found it. Homewrecker by Neutron....

DS

dr. orange
27.10.2005, 05:49 PM
FM SYNTHESIS

It's absolutely not FM synthesis the DX7 does... nonononono

DIGITAL SCREAMS
27.10.2005, 09:07 PM
Dr. Orange I dont understand what you mean....

Enlighten me

DS

Hollowcell
28.10.2005, 12:04 AM
FM SYNTHESIS

It's absolutely not FM synthesis the DX7 does... nonononono

Yeah!!

The Yamaha designers didn't know what they were talking about.
It's actually Virtual-Subtractive-Linear-Additive.

Geez DS, get it right mate! :D

DIGITAL SCREAMS
28.10.2005, 10:27 AM
I did hear once someone referring to the DX as Phase Modulation as opposed to Frequency Modulation. I wonder if both are similar technologies.

DS

Hollowcell
28.10.2005, 11:07 PM
That's true DS, but Yamaha even pigeon-holed the DX as FM.

Here's a small article which will explain the small difference/advantage between FM and PM.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamaha_DX7

Be sure to follow the text links for details.

jasedee
29.10.2005, 06:54 AM
Im baby sitting a Roland D-50 at the moment!!!!!!

Very excited as it is the first LAS synth I have had a good chance to get into. I predict some long nights.

Hollowcell
29.10.2005, 07:24 AM
Nice Jase. Do you have the PG-1000 controller for it too?

By the way, before Dr. Orange jumps on ya back - the D-50 is LA synthesis (Linear Arithmetic Synthesis).

I've been reading up about the D-50s too recently. As you know I want a V-synth...And in the review for the V-SynthXT in SOS they put a real D-50 along side the VC1 (the D-50 onboard the XT ) on an Oscilloscope. The V-Synth can even emulate the DA conversion of the real D-50! Exactly the fucking same! The V-Synth D-50 will even react to the original PG1000 too!

Now I'm even more desperate for a V-Synth!

One tip I've read a few people saying with the D-50 is to turn the effects off if you want it to fit into a mix. But as far as anything else goes I have no idea.

Have fun Jase.

jasedee
29.10.2005, 07:54 AM
Nice Jase. Do you have the PG-1000 controller for it too?
Nope. It's a shame, the guy that owns it really doesnt appreciate it, it is so fuckin dirty and dusty. Almost brings a tear to my eye

By the way, before Dr. Orange jumps on ya back - the D-50 is LA synthesis (Linear Arithmetic Synthesis).
Yeah...I realised this a few minutes after I posted, and was just returning to edit it. Ah fuck it, I dont care anyways, it sounds sweet!

Now I'm even more desperate for a V-Synth!
Yeah....I want one too! But so much other stuff first.

One tip I've read a few people saying with the D-50 is to turn the effects off if you want it to fit into a mix. But as far as anything else goes I have no idea.

Have fun Jase.
Thanks for the tip!!!!!!

The brass pads and leads sound awesome.....just going to download the PDF manual and see if I can start editing this beast. Damn it is a big-ass synth. Heavy too!

Tomer=Trance
29.10.2005, 08:54 AM
accualy the V synth is rather limiting by its expantions.

you have to boot it up as D50,when you do so you cant use the V synth engine at the same time.
when you want the V synth you have to boot it up again.

btw,was the D50 one of the first virtual analogs? or was it the JD800 ?

Hollowcell
29.10.2005, 10:39 AM
accualy the V synth is rather limiting by its expantions.

you have to boot it up as D50,when you do so you cant use the V synth engine at the same time.
when you want the V synth you have to boot it up again.

So what! There's nothing stopping you recording the D-50 to audio, then sending the sample to the V-synth OS.

Being closer to the original is what I'd be chasing for an emulation rather than features. And the VC1 is exact (not like some crappy minimoog softie).


btw,was the D50 one of the first virtual analogs? or was it the JD800 ?

Well I wouldn't consider either of them VAs really. There's a difference between VA and PCM based synths. The 800s are cool synths though - unforuntately the prices have rocketed to the point of "not worth it".

3o3
29.10.2005, 10:55 AM
I had a D50 home for awhile.. I might say, i didn't like it all so i hope you get more kicks out of it Jase!

Sure there was some sounds i did like but most of the sounds you could get out of that machine.. Nah

And i really don't like that "clean" design eihter. But i wouldn't say no to a V-synth with the D50-expansion