external MIDI gear with the Ti??

[tvpnyc]

:?:
access advises that the USB cable attach direct to your comp (mine a dual g5)... how are other's accessing their external MIDI gear? --esp w/o a usb-hub? my POLAR Ti is arriving on thursday and i want to know how to set it up prior to its arrival...

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[grs]

Oh boy are you going to have some fun! Who wants to tell them?

[tvpnyc]

it would help to be specific and not cheeky mate...

[grs]

We (TI owners) are just waiting for some updates from Access to make using the TI trouble free, there's a few bugs especially when using USB with the TI - timing of arpegiators and other things. If you already use a midi interface use that for now with the TI and wait for the updates like the rest of us.

[jasedee]

Yeah, for connecting other gear just use your MIDI interface and stay away from USB

Have fun when your Ti arrives!!!!

:)

[Khazul]

I have my TI keyboard connected to my PC via USB *and* connected to an Edirol UM880 MIDI patch bay (via MIDI obviously).

So long as I am not running Virus Control (it seems) then it I can use the TI to control other MIDI synths and can control it from my v-synth's keyboard.

As soon I start Virus control - the following seems to happen:

1. Local Control is switched off
2. Outputs default to USB
3. MIDI data from the TI ceases to be avilable on the TI's MIDI ports (Grrrr!)

So - after starting Virus Control, I switch audio back to analog out 1, and on the TI config menus, re-enable local control. I still havnt found a way to renable the midi ports which is making the TI a bit useless as a external synth control while Virus Control is running.

One oddity here Im am sure I have had TI MIDI port working at the same time as Virus Control at some time...

Anyone else shed some light on this?

The TI is supposed the have a dedicated remote mode - that isnt implemented in the current TI OS.


After the continual fun and games everytime I start Virus Control - I emailed support to suggest they add some permenant and global config options to it to stop it switching off local control and switching audio to USB.

Oh yeh - guess I should say that the TI's MIDI clock is hosed - ither generating it or slaving.

[tvpnyc]

i'll post a report when i get mine (tomorrow) and start running it thru it's paces...
with MIDI (not usb) are there any problems with using it as a master keyboard at the moment?
--the SYNC-problems are a major major (foundational) no-no! this should never be an issue and really needs to be sorted. analog synths like this create much of their signature by arpeggiators and a solid sync.

...access--? what's the scoop?
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[ben crosland]

As soon I start Virus control - the following seems to happen:

1. Local Control is switched off

Yes - why would you want this on if you are using the V Control?

2. Outputs default to USB

Of course.


3. MIDI data from the TI ceases to be avilable on the TI's MIDI ports (Grrrr!)

Have you tried setting Config>MIDI>out hidden = ON?

[dr. orange]

analog synths like this create much of their signature by arpeggiators and a solid sync.
though the Virus ain't analog at all

[passionclub]

i'll post a report when i get mine (tomorrow) and start running it thru it's paces...
with MIDI (not usb) are there any problems with using it as a master keyboard at the moment?
--the SYNC-problems are a major major (foundational) no-no! this should never be an issue and really needs to be sorted. analog synths like this create much of their signature by arpeggiators and a solid sync.

...access--? what's the scoop?
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I have stressed the importance of the arpegiator so its good to know im not alone here . i have written to access and they hve confirmed the midi sync is a real fault amongts TI user and are working on it ..... I still find it hard to believe given the amount of complaints about this that all the pre sales tests at access failed to pick this out as a major fault that in all honesty is an absolute pisser and personel i thinks it bang out of order and it better be fixed very soon because given the length of time its taken to hit the streets im not holding my breath..

[jasedee]

I still find it hard to believe given the amount of complaints about this that all the pre sales tests at access failed to pick this out as a major fault that in all honesty is an absolute pisser
I guess they knew this all along, but didnt think they should keep the people waiting any longer, just because of the ARP issues..

I never use ARPs, so it wouldnt matter to me. In any case, couldnt you just write your own ARPs in a MIDI part????

[dr. orange]

I think that they knew the majority, even all of the issues. I also think that this was one of the reasons why they delayed the release. If they delayed it for over than a year and it's still that buggy, I start to think that some of the issues will never be fixed...

[passionclub]

I never use ARPs, so it wouldnt matter to me. In any case, couldnt you just write your own ARPs in a MIDI part????[/quote]

Er what sorry ..i just dont understand comments like this although from access point of view this is the kind of comment they will love to hear

[jasedee]

IEr what sorry ..i just dont understand comments like this although from access point of view this is the kind of comment they will love to hear
But you didnt answer the question....

Are you saying you cant write your own arps???? Seems like an easy thing to do

[nutekk]

its also easy to walk but people drive in cars now.

sometimes you come across something you would never do yourself
using someone elses programming.Its like a collaboration.
its easy to program your own arps manually but not half as inspiring.

this synth needs for its arp to work.

[jasedee]

its also easy to walk but people drive in cars now.

sometimes you come across something you would never do yourself
using someone elses programming.Its like a collaboration.
its easy to program your own arps manually but not half as inspiring.

this synth needs for its arp to work.
Seems like just laziness. Just makes it easy for people to crank out some shit trance

Like using all presets for your songs, never making your own patches. Not very inspiring I reckon.

[Khazul]

As soon I start Virus control - the following seems to happen:

1. Local Control is switched off

Yes - why would you want this on if you are using the V Control?


Because it makes no sense for MIDI to goto to Cubase then back to the TI when Im just fiddling (extra pointless latency). Even when recording I dont see the point of this - I dont work this way with any other synths and the TI isnt a soft synth running on the computer, so the only reason I send it to the computer is to record it :)

If there is a good reason why I would want to do this - then please tell :)


2. Outputs default to USB

Of course.


When I can usefully plug a USB cable into an analog patch bay (to patch in outboard fx) - Ill reconsider - you can get some quite wacky sounds plumbing a TI via a V-Synth (to get at the extra filter types and COSM fx) :)


3. MIDI data from the TI ceases to be avilable on the TI's MIDI ports (Grrrr!)

Have you tried setting Config>MIDI>out hidden = ON?

When I dont have the TI connected via USB - midi out is fine - I will have another look for a setting - maybe it too gets changes when Virus control is active.

[nutekk]

Like using all presets for your songs, never making your own patches. Not very inspiring I reckon.

no one is saying all....
or never

i said sometimes.


the arp needs to work on this synth!

[tvpnyc]

yes... this clocking-drama/arp issue is not good at all. i will be sending mine back if this isn't sorted soon.

[ben crosland]

It makes no sense for MIDI to goto to Cubase then back to the TI when Im just fiddling (extra pointless latency).

If you don't want latency, just set the Main Outs to Out 1 L+R. It takes about 2 seconds! :)

Even when recording I dont see the point of this - I dont work this way with any other synths

Even when using them as a controller keyboard?

The point of turning Local Control=Off, when going through your host software, is so that you don't trigger notes twice. If Local is On, then you play it internally first of all, and then very soon afterwards, the midi signal will come back in and play it again. This not only doubles the number of voices you trigger, but makes them phase as well.


and the TI isnt a soft synth running on the computer, so the only reason I send it to the computer is to record it :)

But that is the whole point of the Virus Control - so that it is like a softsynth. And besides, you don't want Local=On when you record it either.

[Hollowcell]

Sorry to hi-jack this thread a little, but a question just sprung to mind with all this talk about the arp on the TI....

Do the LFOs sync properly in either midi or USB mode?



Now back to the arp debate and midi questions...


its easy to program your own arps manually but not half as inspiring.

This is really sad to me. Originality is what got me into electronic music in the first place, but when people aren't inspired by originality it seems to defeat the purpose of electronic music.

Don't get me wrong though, the arp issue is very important, but only as you can create your own on the TI. Lets hope they fix it soon.

[nutekk]

:lol:

whatever man!