Patch Recall issue with ver 1.06R2 - Confirmed

[Doc Jones]

can anyone with a similar setup (cubase sx 3.1 and TI 1.06r2 confirm?)
Essentially since upgrading to 1.06r2 I can no longer confidently save my tweaked sounds when saving a cubase song (could do this before). I basically would create a new song in cubase, open the virus TI and load a sound into 1 or more parts, tweak the sounds to my liking, make a groove, save the song in cubase and then close out. When I reload the same song, the TI loads with the right patch, but the sound is all messed up, its like it added massive distortion, delay etc to the patch. I basically have to redo the patch from scratch which drives me nuts as sometimes I tweak a sound for an hour or two looking for "that sound". I have confirmed this with other songs as well, even just minimizing one song in cubase, opening another - making a new song, then when going back to the first minimized song (with ti patch) the ti patch is all hosed up. Can anyone confirm this? I am currently just using the TI via usb, but may switch back over to midi cable for reliable sysex transfers of tweaked sounds. (This really stinks as I lost a really good song - can't remember the tweaking I did to get the sound I was using)

My specs - Windows XP SP2 | P4 3.0 | 2.0GB Ram | Sata Drives |
Echo Layla 24 | 3xUad-1 | Cubase SX 3.1 | Virus TI 1.06r2

[Doc Jones]

ok, I am not one to complain just for the sake of it, but man this really has pissed me off. I just tried getting one of my sounds back, I can get close, but no cigar. I just had two people who heard the original song, say "it still sounds real good, but it's not quite the same". ARRGHHH.
ok, end of rant.

[grs]

Doc, I can emulate a 'forget' using Virus Control to edit FILTER ENVELOPE - ATTACK. Save and load goes back to other attack.
The work around for this is to edit using the front panel of your TI then edit FILTER ENVELOPE - ATTACk, this is then saved properly in your Cubase song.

As for the exploding distortion notes, this happens if you play a note to the TI when its loading Virus Control. Sometimes it triggers a note by itself. Press PANIC and it goes away.

I'll see if my pre 1.06 r2 load ok and post back.

[Doc Jones]

thanks for looking into this grs. are you using cubase sx 3.1 as well?

[grs]

Yes

[Doc Jones]

ok, here is the latest - same exact issue. I can confirm this over and over again and with simple tests. Open new song in cubase, load up the virus TI, select sound for TI, record midi part - everything is great. (no tweaking of sound). Close song in cubase, then reload and now sound is really messed up -detuned, distorted etc.
Here is what I did to try to fix this
1. Reinstalled 1.06 drivers/software and firmware - no good.
2. Uninstalled 1.06 and went down to 1.05 software/drivers - no good.
3. Reinstalled 1.05 this time with firmware - no good.
4. Reinstalled cubase 3.1 - no good
5. Installed cubase 3.1.1.944 update - no good.
6. Reinstalled 1.06 drivers/software and firmware - no good.
7. Tried a new usb port - no good.

I have just wasted a whole night/possibly lost a few good songs and now need to start over for a song that HAS to be completed in about two weeks.

Besides this issue, my system is running flawlessly with everything else - hardware/software. My computer is a dedicated daw and is not connected to the internet. Plus my virus is plugged into a highend surge/ups.

As you can see, slightly frustrated here. Any suggestions very much welcome!!!

[Doc Jones]

8. Just tried using the external analog outs of the virus (instead of the usb for audio) - no good.

Essentially, everything sounds great when I load it up and play it. Record midi in cubase and playback - great. It's when I close the song and reload it where the problem comes in. It sounds like the oscillators get hosed with the reload.

ok, enough troubleshooting for tonight!

[ben crosland]

This is very strange, Doc - I have no trouble reloading a project in SX3 here.

When you load the song, do the sounds 'look' the same in the VC?

[Doc Jones]

This is very strange, Doc - I have no trouble reloading a project in SX3 here.

When you load the song, do the sounds 'look' the same in the VC?
That's a very good question and so far the answer is no, there are definitely changes being made to the loaded sound. One thing I am finding is that the LFO rates are set to 1/64 after reloading (without me adjusting them). After adjusting the rates back to the original - the sound gets closer to the original tweaked sound, but it still sounds very gritty and distorted. I took a look at all the other pages (OSC, FX, etc.) and nothing else is different, I just can't track down what is making the sound all gritty, muffled and distorted.

[ben crosland]

One thing I am finding is that the LFO rates are set to 1/64 after reloading (without me adjusting them).

Curiouser and curiouser.

What build of the VC does it show on the Common page, out of interest?

[Doc Jones]

Ben, here is all the info from the common page -

Audio Driver ver 2.6.2.0
Audio Library ver 2.6.2.0
Host Interface ver 0.0.0.0

Virus TI Control Ver 1.0.6.182

thanks.

[Doc Jones]

This is very strange, Doc - I have no trouble reloading a project in SX3 here.

When you load the song, do the sounds 'look' the same in the VC?
Actually I want to take back what I wrote earlier - I just ran a series of tests where I load up a sound in the TI, record a midi track in cubase. Play it back - works great. Close the cubase song and then reopen it and the sound is muffled and distorted. I then load the same exact sound into another part in the TI and compared all pages and nothing looked different at all for all of the settings. This happened with just about every sound I tried it on.

[ben crosland]

This is very strange, Doc - I have no trouble reloading a project in SX3 here.

When you load the song, do the sounds 'look' the same in the VC?
Actually I want to take back what I wrote earlier - I just ran a series of tests where I load up a sound in the TI, record a midi track in cubase. Play it back - works great. Close the cubase song and then reopen it and the sound is muffled and distorted. I then load the same exact sound into another part in the TI and compared all pages and nothing looked different at all for all of the settings. This happened with just about every sound I tried it on.

Well, on the face of it, this looks like it might be good news - hopefully it's just a transmission problem, rather than a screw-all-your-hard-work problem.

Have you checked the Preferences>MIDI settings in SX3?

[Doc Jones]

yeah, I did recheck all my midi settings and didn't see any filtering or odd settings checked that possibly would cause this. Do you think I should try a full reinstallation of cubase? My concern is that I have a lot of other programs that rely on it (trilogy, rmx) and they are running fine (just don't want to mess up the rest of my system as it took a considerable amount of time to get it stable.

[ben crosland]

Do you think I should try a full reinstallation of cubase?

I wouldn't like to make that call on your behalf ;)

I have heard that reinstalls can make a big difference, mind - a friend of mine who works extensively with Acid Pro reckons that the majority of problems faced by users are sorted out by reinstalling it..

[Doc Jones]

Do you think I should try a full reinstallation of cubase?

I wouldn't like to make that call on your behalf ;)

I have heard that reinstalls can make a big difference, mind - a friend of mine who works extensively with Acid Pro reckons that the majority of problems faced by users are sorted out by reinstalling it..
yeah, I think I will give it a shot. This way if it still doesn't work and I have to give Access a call, I'll have already covered the majority of the bases.

[Doc Jones]

ok, latest update
9. Uninstalled Cubase SX 3.1 and reinstalled it and all updates from scratch - still have the same problem.
10. Tried a different usb cable - still have the problem.
11. Checked all midi settings and usb settings - everything checks out - still same problem.

looks like I will be making a call to Access when they open on Monday. :?

[Doc Jones]

Wait a minute - could it be specific patches that have a problem being recalled by cubase sx 3.1?? Without going into the new series of tests, I was wondering if someone could confirm a specific sound.

If you use the virus TI with Cubase SX 3.1 please do this quick test and tell me what your results are.
1. Create a new song in cubase
2. Load the virus TI virus control in cubase
3. Create a midi track in cubase and assign the output port to the virus TI (virus control port)
4. Load up the sound Syrys BC - found under Rom A 098
5. Create a 4 bar loop (mine was at 120bpm) and just record a quick loop using the Syrys BC sound, no need to make tweaks to the sound.
6. Playback the song and make sure it sounds fine.
7. Save the song, close the song and then reopen the song in cubase.
8. Hit play - Does the Syrys BC patch sound the same - on mine it sounds all detuned and distorted.

very odd!

[grs]

Doc, basically I have a bank file with two saves of the one patch. Once I saved it with 1.05 the other time 1.06.

I can drag and drop the second save (1.06) onto slot 8 with a fresh open of VC over an init patch and get a stupid sound, nothing like the real thing. If its slot seven it loads alright. The save from 1.05 loads into slot 8 ok. If during the same session I drag an init patch to slot 8 and drag the suspect patch (1.06 save) onto slot 8 it loads fine.

There definately is some wierd stuff changed in 1.06 from 1.05 re wrongly saved patches in VC.

I will post the bank with the two saves soon, when I get a bit more time.

[Doc Jones]

Please see this topic for details

http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=4474