Virus Ti Polar good for hip hop

[bj2001]

I'm hesitating in purchasing this monster.
I got a SE SE1X mono analog synth , an XV 3080 & a Motif Rack 9 few VST plugins.
I wana the same arsenal as Dr Dre, Mike Dean & those westcoast producers with fat pads, big whinning lead,phat basslines.
I wanna have ya opinion on my case, if the virus TI is good with his presets for that matter & more importantly to program my own patch to make some gangstafied rap beats.
Thx for the inputs. 8)

[Timo]

For fat beats, you need a crunchy sampler, samples and outboard/plugins. Virus isn't primarily a drum-machine (although it can indeed synthesise certain kinds if you have the expertise).

Virus is good for the pads, and darker sounds.
Fat basslines take a bit of coaxing, maybe I'm approaching it slightly wrong.

[bj2001]

i got mpc3000 & emu 64 for drums.
i'm askin about leads, pads, strings, arpegio for hip hop sequences.
is the TI not too much for my purpose & finish songs.
i mean all the specs, reliability, wavetables...
thx

[Tomer=Trance]

yeah its a great synth.
you should be covered for bass parts with your studio electronics analog synth because the virus is not too good at clasic analog bass parts but it can be done with adding eq,analog boost & a nice amount of unison.
better learn the basics of analog\subtractive synthesis because its a huge waste to spend 2500-3000$ and just use the factory presets.

[Hollowcell]

i'm askin about leads, pads, strings, arpegio for hip hop sequences.
thx

Shouldn't be a problem.

[bj2001]

of course i'm about to program my own patch/preset.
But is there some program focusin' on hip hop sounds on access site or elsewhere, to have already steady patchs to make hip hop music with the TI.

[nutekk]

what are hip-hop sounds?

[bj2001]

well said!
mo' ready to be exploited patch for hip hop music.
i mean bright leads, arpegio with a slower bmp...strings
mo' analogish sounds, namean!! 8)

[nutekk]

it is a Virtual Analog synth...
so you should be able to get what u need.
maybe even more than you need.
i hope hip-hop gots its flu-shot :twisted:
tha basslines blow like landmines...

[F5D]

Virus lacks the bass. You better use the SE1X for the bass. I guess that's why you have bought it anyway? You get nice pads and leads from virus. Use something else for bass. Some people say that they get nice basses out of virus but for hip hop, IMO no. I guess the bass plays a very important role in hip hop so use the SE1X or another analog synth for it. Many people haven't even compared the virus and some analog synths doing basses. It's like comparing a real jp80x0 to Superwave vsti. So sad, some people don't hear the difference even there. :wink:

With a real analog synth you get much more punch and clean heavy bass tone which shakes the place. With virus you can get a sound which sounds ok but doesn't have the raw power of an analog. You can always turn up the volume to make everything loud but the sound of the virus is more compressed and does not have the same power. It's like trying to push an amplifier and it just cannot give more. Or you can think it also by the base frequency and harmonic frequencies. With analog synth, you get more powerful base frequency which shakes the place. With Virus it's sometimes like the the base frequency is missing and you hear much more of the harmonics. Hard to explain. And the filter is also important and an analog sound is totally free of aliasing which also makes it more powerful. :)

[nutekk]

i think you are being a bit harsh saying the virus cant do bass...
while i agree that analog *can have advantages in this department.
I feel the virus i quite capable of shaking the floor too.

[bj2001]

u don't get it ppl.
i was asking about the virus spec' & the sonically the use of pads...

i know that analog bass module SE SE1X got mo' guts in the bass area.

VIrus got a complexer rounting & mo' diverse type of sound :
to pure synth freak sounds to more realistic sounds.
So is there soundsets mo' focused on hip hop, rock music.
Thx i hope i made it clearer !

[Tomer=Trance]

yeah but not in the same way a single voice of unEQud,un"boosted" minimoog or juno bass does.

the virus is not too stable in the lower octaves as few analogs are.

Btw,if you guys are looking for a good minimoog clone check out the Gmedia Minimosta.
superb quality of sound and almost perfect emulation of the MM texture and sound.

[Timo]

u don't get it ppl.
i was asking about the virus spec' & the sonically the use of pads...

i know that analog bass module SE SE1X got mo' guts in the bass area.

VIrus got a complexer rounting & mo' diverse type of sound :
to pure synth freak sounds to more realistic sounds.
So is there soundsets mo' focused on hip hop, rock music.
Thx i hope i made it clearer !

To tell you the truth I don't really know what sort of sounds are used in hip hop, other than those realistic string stabs which would most likely come off a ROMpler like a Triton or a Motif like you already have or from a sample library.

Any chance of putting up a few examples of what you want to achieve?

[bj2001]

well i got rompler but i need an hardware to accomplish weird sound, arpegio, controlled VST piano, & most of all, playin' flute, pads, leads melodies with it.
Twinkin', programmin' my own patches & everything.
Got sum clavia last year, not really feeling the poor multitimbrality & no FX section.
I hesitate between Alesis Andromeda & Virus TI Polar.
Virus spec are huge & matrix is bigger than the Andromeda one.
Headache :wink:


check for sum Dr Dre last beats on 50, G Unit & Chronic 2001.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

This thread is a waste of time.....Ive read it 3 times over and I still cant really see how anyone can hope to answer the initial question...

DS

[bj2001]

:D
damn i might cop it next week
anyway thx for tryin' to help!
peace
long life to this forum

[Hollowcell]

I think the best thing is just head down and demo one.

Take some time and program the sounds you want. Take an MD and record it to play back in the studio (if they won't give you one for a few days).

[crunkmaster]

i cant see how you cats are saying the virus TI isnt good for bass.

i made the sickest ripping bass the other day. i use a real juno, p5, moog and the gforce minimonsta. it may be EASIER to get a sick bass with them... however TI can hold a candle to all of them in terms of punchy tonal quality, boominess, sizzling rippness or whatever you are looking for.

..... its all about the envelope/eq saturation and filters dinkys!!!


sorry. realized i didnt give anything towards the original question. YES u can make insanely original hip hop pads/leads with this thing. but (like most synths) its NOT a one stop HIP HOP SHOP. dont throw your fave hard/soft sampler away yet ;D u still need it to be fully original imo.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

[quote="crunkmaster"]i cant see how you cats are saying the virus TI isnt good for bass.

i made the sickest ripping bass the other day. i use a real juno, p5, moog and the gforce minimonsta. it may be EASIER to get a sick bass with them... however TI can hold a candle to all of them in terms of punchy tonal quality, boominess, sizzling rippness or whatever you are looking for.

..... its all about the envelope/eq saturation and filters dinkys!!![\quote]

I find it strange you'd want to use the virus for bass when you've already got some nice analogs. BTW which Moog do you have? A Prodigy?

When I had the Virus KC I couldnt get anywhere near the bass response of a Pro-One or Jupiter 8 for example. Even with EQ'ing, Unison and lots of little tricks.....just couldnt get it. Virus is very nice for everything else except bass....but then again Id only use analog bass....for others...im sure the virus is good enough.

DS

[Hollowcell]

i cant see how you cats are saying the virus TI isnt good for bass.

Well can't really comment on the TI as I don't have one....

But, for raw, deep, clean bass, I don't think my VirusC is that great. With some processing (plus using a few onboard tricks) you can coax some nice modern basses out of it though.

I think it may depend on what sort of music you're doing with it too.

Who knows, maybe the hypersaw is more capable.

[Gopal]

I would like to hear the result of a hypersaw on one oscillator and a square wave on the other to get a phat bass sound.

But I agree with most that virus does not have the BALLS down low that an analog will. Nothing does.