Anyone else still get MIDI timing issues without using USB ?

[ill]

hmmm, access are now trying my patience.

I installed 1.08 but was ona deadline for a demo for something and EVERYTHING went wrong,

including a massive time lag in SX3.1.1 even without using the TI Plug in.

when's 1.09 out?

x

[Gano]

You're not the only one having those problem, Access support are aware off all the remaining problems. They told me to wait for a couple of updates to get everything done... :?
For Three days, without any reasons, my TI has been working fine with Sonar 4 using Virus Control. I must hurry to do some tracks before the next full moon shows up or the wind changes :P

[marc]

hmmm, access are now trying my patience.

I installed 1.08 but was ona deadline for a demo for something and EVERYTHING went wrong,

including a massive time lag in SX3.1.1 even without using the TI Plug in.

when's 1.09 out?

x

what did happen exactly?

marc

[MADSTATION]

Yeah the timing, even in midi is below average. I have no problems with any of my other synths(jp8080, fr777, alpha juno2, novation ks4).

Might be related to my EMU1820m combo with the Virus...Seems like the Virus has a hard time with the EMU products(correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm using Cubase SX3.1.1

[marc]

Yeah the timing, even in midi is below average. I have no problems with any of my other synths(jp8080, fr777, alpha juno2, novation ks4).

Might be related to my EMU1820m combo with the Virus...Seems like the Virus has a hard time with the EMU products(correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm using Cubase SX3.1.1

please explain. are you using USB MIDI or MIDI (with an MIDI interface)? how can i reproduce you "below average" timing? owning a JP8080 myself i couldn't say that i would prefer the timing of it against the TI at all.

... and - what does the 1820 has to do with the TI's MIDI timing? do you use the 1820's two MIDI out for the TI or do you use it for _all_ the synths at the same time?

best, marc

[MADSTATION]

marc: I tried both using USB MIDI and midi cables with midi interfaces(with EMU1820M midi port and a MIDISPORT 4x4) and everytime I playback the midi sequence, the first few notes seem to have a problem staying in time. My fix for this is just to play a short sequence a few bars before the actual one when I'm at the recording stage.

an example using 1 ti channel without external fx, straight from the analog out: http://www.madstation.net/Melodie_trance(uneautre).mp3
It is subtle since I did my best to record this sequence(took me 4 times to get it right) but you can still hear the notes struggling a bit at the start.
When I layer the metronome over this it is even more obvious.

I don't mind notes running out of time once in a while when playing back, but when recording this is a pretty frustrating matter.

Thanks!

[ill]

When I say everything, it caused a massive time lag even when I hit "enter" in SX3.1.1 to play audio tracks of beats (without the TI plug in being pulled up as a VSti)

1.07 initially worked great, then started getting clicks worse than on any "demo" versions that emit random noise.

I was just getting my head around it with MIDI and old skool, punching in all the presets -

And now the midi drops out of time if you mess about with stopping and starting your Sequencer.

For a 1500 GBP product it's not too hot. I am considering trading it in for Nord.

PS: to the guy above I am also using a EMU1820M

[The girl next door]

I am considering trading it in for Nord.


Don't even go there....... :x

[Khazul]

For a 1500 GBP product it's not too hot. I am considering trading it in for Nord.


Best set aside another few hundred quid for a Lexicon or similar fx box to go with it then :)

Also keyboards on nords (apart from the G2X modular) are horrible as well.

[Sleepwalker]

Don't even go there....... :x

Tell us why.

(curious)

[djpremacy]

You're not the only one having those problem, Access support are aware off all the remaining problems. They told me to wait for a couple of updates to get everything done... :?
For Three days, without any reasons, my TI has been working fine with Sonar 4 using Virus Control. I must hurry to do some tracks before the next full moon shows up or the wind changes :P

Don't you have the delay in keyboard midi -> Audio response when using the Virus plugin? Without the VC in a project all other vsti have 5.8 ms latency, but when I load VC, all the other plugins respond much slower/later to my keyboard when playing notes. Probably something to do with delay compensation.

[ben crosland]

marc: I tried both using USB MIDI and midi cables with midi interfaces(with EMU1820M midi port and a MIDISPORT 4x4) and everytime I playback the midi sequence, the first few notes seem to have a problem staying in time. My fix for this is just to play a short sequence a few bars before the actual one when I'm at the recording stage.

an example using 1 ti channel without external fx, straight from the analog out: http://www.madstation.net/Melodie_trance(uneautre).mp3
It is subtle since I did my best to record this sequence(took me 4 times to get it right) but you can still hear the notes struggling a bit at the start.
When I layer the metronome over this it is even more obvious.

I don't mind notes running out of time once in a while when playing back, but when recording this is a pretty frustrating matter.

Thanks!


MADSTATION - would you mind sending me a .cpr of this sequence? I would like to test it on my system.

For those using SX3.1.1 - it seems necessary at the moment to reset the ASIO Control Panel>System Performance settings to your preferred latency after you have opened VC, and unfortunately, it often seems the case that you need to do it twice for the settings to stick.

This is probably why you find an increased latency with the other plugs once you have opened VC.

You should also find the overall performance to be a lot better once you have done this - I always get horrendous audio performance in SX until I have done this with or without the VC being open. It's worth noting that if there is an interruption to the audio stream when using VC, the Arps will lose sync until new notes are played, so this just might kill two birds with one stone..

[ill]

"it seems necessary at the moment to reset the ASIO Control Panel>System Performance settings to your preferred latency after you have opened VC, and unfortunately, it often seems the case that you need to do it twice for the settings to stick. "

This seems like a massive pain in the ass, each time you open a song you have to reset this twice?

[F5D]

"it seems necessary at the moment to reset the ASIO Control Panel>System Performance settings to your preferred latency after you have opened VC, and unfortunately, it often seems the case that you need to do it twice for the settings to stick. "

This seems like a massive pain in the ass, each time you open a song you have to reset this twice?
Yeah, this sounds ridiculous. Nobody who's seriously making music don't want to waste time on something like this. I have been waiting for the whole autumn that access would get the ti's problems solved so I could also buy one but it seems that there are too much problems. People are not only reporting software problems but hardware problems which is scary.

"For a 1500 GBP product it's not too hot. I am considering trading it in for Nord."

Go for nord lead 3 or alesis andromeda. You won't be disappointed. Something strange happened to andro's price and it's now 350 euros cheaper than virus ti. Something which I don't understand at all.

[tvpnyc]

are timing issues present when playing they synth (version) with other gear? i'm looking at my logic sequence (piano scroll) and all MIDI notes are delayed...

[ben crosland]

"it seems necessary at the moment to reset the ASIO Control Panel>System Performance settings to your preferred latency after you have opened VC, and unfortunately, it often seems the case that you need to do it twice for the settings to stick. "

This seems like a massive pain in the ass, each time you open a song you have to reset this twice?

Well, to be honest it takes about 10-15 seconds, so I wouldn't describe it as a *massive* pain in the ass. I don't know why this isn't necessary in other hosts, though - it doesn't seem to be necessary in Logic 5.5.1, or Audiomulch for instance..

[marc]

marc: I tried both using USB MIDI and midi cables with midi interfaces(with EMU1820M midi port and a MIDISPORT 4x4) and everytime I playback the midi sequence, the first few notes seem to have a problem staying in time. My fix for this is just to play a short sequence a few bars before the actual one when I'm at the recording stage.

an example using 1 ti channel without external fx, straight from the analog out: http://www.madstation.net/Melodie_trance(uneautre).mp3
It is subtle since I did my best to record this sequence(took me 4 times to get it right) but you can still hear the notes struggling a bit at the start.
When I layer the metronome over this it is even more obvious.

I don't mind notes running out of time once in a while when playing back, but when recording this is a pretty frustrating matter.

Thanks!

what happens if you pre-roll for one bar?

marc

[MADSTATION]

This is a screenshot of where the problems usualy happen(as you can see, I'm leaving one empty bar at the beginning):
http://www.madstation.net/cubase/cubase_issue.jpg

This is the cubase project file:
http://www.madstation.net/cubase/cubase_test.cpr

Let me know if you guys can reproduce.

Thanks
Serge

[ill]

hats off to Access it's a great concept. and when it finally works will be sweet.

I had a deadline for an remix and an advert, and the TI made me have to reinstall 1.08, mess about with my soundcard settings, waste loads of time/not too mention stress, and that's not cool.

When you shift between lots of songs, having to reset something twice IS a massive pain in the ass.
It also makes you feel less like a musician and more like a IT person!

I mean it is a great synth, but seriously flawed us if you make music in a studio.

to start with on the 1.07 it put clicks in whenever I exported audio, 1.08 caused 1 second time lags on everything. Going to MIDI and 1/4 jacks not even the MIDI timings in. Also on MIDI/Jacks the timing of the arps is out.

One area I would wholeheartedly recommend the TI is you play live and without a sequencer - as sounds super ill and is built like a tank (and no noises or timing issues).

Hurry up with 1.09 guys!!!!

Access technical support have been very good for there credit, just the dev team/programmers need to raise there game.

[dr. orange]

Yeah the timing, even in midi is below average. I have no problems with any of my other synths(jp8080, fr777, alpha juno2, novation ks4).

Might be related to my EMU1820m combo with the Virus...Seems like the Virus has a hard time with the EMU products(correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm using Cubase SX3.1.1

please explain. are you using USB MIDI or MIDI (with an MIDI interface)? how can i reproduce you "below average" timing? owning a JP8080 myself i couldn't say that i would prefer the timing of it against the TI at all.

best, marc
as a CEO, you gotta say that :wink:

[dr. orange]

Yeah the timing, even in midi is below average. I have no problems with any of my other synths(jp8080, fr777, alpha juno2, novation ks4).

Might be related to my EMU1820m combo with the Virus...Seems like the Virus has a hard time with the EMU products(correct me if I'm wrong).

I'm using Cubase SX3.1.1

please explain. are you using USB MIDI or MIDI (with an MIDI interface)? how can i reproduce you "below average" timing? owning a JP8080 myself i couldn't say that i would prefer the timing of it against the TI at all.

best, marc
as a CEO, you gotta say that :wink:
oh sorry marc, I confused the things a tiny bit, christoph kemper is the CEO :roll:

[grs]

This is a screenshot of where the problems usualy happen(as you can see, I'm leaving one empty bar at the beginning):
http://www.madstation.net/cubase/cubase_issue.jpg

This is the cubase project file:
http://www.madstation.net/cubase/cubase_test.cpr

Let me know if you guys can reproduce.

Thanks
Serge

Mad: this seems to be a bad area for Cubase/TI, try moving your whole project forward 8 bars. Avoid bars 1 to 9 when ever working in Cubase/Virus. The same sort of external midi clock errors occur with virus b even.

[DMuzik]

Well, to be honest it takes about 10-15 seconds, so I wouldn't describe it as a *massive* pain in the ass. I don't know why this isn't necessary in other hosts, though - it doesn't seem to be necessary in Logic 5.5.1, or Audiomulch for instance..

There are quite alot of people reporting this issue on the Cubase forum, here?s (http://forum.cubase.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=31103) one of the threads. Sadly there hasn?t been any response from Steinberg on the issue for a long while :(

[Matthias Adloff]

I am considering trading it in for Nord.


Don't even go there....... :x

Why not ? At least Nord2 and Nord3 have a rock solid timing !

[Onkel Dunkel]

This is a screenshot of where the problems usualy happen(as you can see, I'm leaving one empty bar at the beginning):
http://www.madstation.net/cubase/cubase_issue.jpg

This is the cubase project file:
http://www.madstation.net/cubase/cubase_test.cpr

Let me know if you guys can reproduce.

Thanks
Serge

I have the same problem with my Virus C. I just start from bar 5 or 9 and that solves it. Must be a problem in Cubase :?

[Zephod]

has anyone bothered yet to compare the midi event stream output of say.. logic and cubase on the playback of the same midi stream?

shouldnt be too hard to make a full event dump with timestamps with something like midi-ox and a few loopback drivers

my guess is that the timecode is already buffered some sec in advance and not properly removed when you jump back to trackstart... (which COULD be partially caused by a mididriver that plays it too safe.. buffering further ahead = better chance of actually scheduling the even on time)

[~+?]

I have been suffering with Arp timing problems with cubase sx3 since I got the TI the month it was released. I have contacted Access support who suggested some tweaks to my PCI latency. Tried them all with no avail! Problem still remains. I'm sure its got nothing to do with PCI latency, in this case as there is no pops or clicks or anything other than the Arps out of time on mixdown. I have tried just about everything to fix this problem on my own setup.

MADSTATION 8)
Do me a favor and try this see if it helps any. Start you arrangement in cubase from bar 33. Let us know if it makes any difference?
8O