I got my TI today!!

[DJTOMMYBOY]

YAYAYYAYAYAYA

but umm..... I cant get the arpeggiator to sync when I play it as a audioinstrument?

Even if I record midi and try to replay it it doesnt sync.

boohooooo any ideas? :(

Thanks!
Tboy




AppleG5
Logic Pro 6
Motu 828 MK II
Virus TI

[ZEBASTIAN]

Im on G5 and Logic pro 7.1....so far the Ti is unusable......even the Arps from the buggy Virus Powercore respond better....
if after V1.1 i cant get the Ti to decently work ill put it on ebay....and will share my experience with anyone looking to buy a new Virus TI :roll:

[ben crosland]

Im on G5 and Logic pro 7.1....so far the Ti is unusable......even the Arps from the buggy Virus Powercore respond better....
if after V1.1 i cant get the Ti to decently work ill put it on ebay....and will share my experience with anyone looking to buy a new Virus TI :roll:

Are you using the usb outs on the arp part?

And do you have a TI track highlighted during playback?

[ben crosland]

YAYAYYAYAYAYA

but umm..... I cant get the arpeggiator to sync when I play it as a audioinstrument?

Even if I record midi and try to replay it it doesnt sync.

boohooooo any ideas? :(

Thanks!
Tboy




AppleG5
Logic Pro 6
Motu 828 MK II
Virus TI

Logic 6 is not supported, but - are you allowing a preroll of at least one bar before the sequence starts? This is particularly important with the arps.

However, the main problem will no doubt be the fact that Logic 6 Mac does not delay compensate! You will have to compensate every TI track with a negative delay yourself to get around this problem, I guess.

[Doc Jones]

but - are you allowing a preroll of at least one bar before the sequence starts? This is particularly important with the arps.
Ben, is this something we should do for all sequencers (and playing TI arps) or is this just for Logic users?

[ben crosland]

but - are you allowing a preroll of at least one bar before the sequence starts? This is particularly important with the arps.
Ben, is this something we should do for all sequencers (and playing TI arps) or is this just for Logic users?

Yes. In actual fact, I always found this to be good practice anyway - even with other VSTi's.

[The girl next door]

And do you have a TI track highlighted during playback?
In LOGIC 5.5.1 you can only highlight 1 track at a time so what happens if ZEBASTIAN has more than 1 Apr running at the same time....(for example a bassline Apr and a melody Apr)

[ben crosland]

And do you have a TI track highlighted during playback?
In LOGIC 5.5.1 you can only highlight 1 track at a time so what happens if ZEBASTIAN has more than 1 Apr running at the same time....(for example a bassline Apr and a melody Apr)

It doesn't matter, so long as the highlighted track is a Virus Control instrument.

[Doc Jones]

ok, so just to confirm (and this applies to all TI users regardless of sequencer being used) . . .

In order to play arps properly (where they sync properly with the sequencer) -
1. Play the sequencer at least one bar before the actual sequenced midi parts start and
2. Make sure that (in your sequencer) the currently highlighted track is the track whose outs are to the TI's virus control software (this is while the arps are playing).

These are the best steps to take in order to get syncable arps?

[The girl next door]

1. Play the sequencer at least one bar before the actual sequenced midi parts start and

Great.But if your recording a voice on a constant loop,your stuffed :cry:

[MonkeyMan]

Doc... Don?t forget to play your TI only: -

Whilst facing west,
Only wearing the colour green,
Only thinking pure thoughts,
Using your feet,
Covered in lard.

Only then may you get your Virus TI to work as it should - intermittently of course...

[ben crosland]

ok, so just to confirm (and this applies to all TI users regardless of sequencer being used) . . .

In order to play arps properly (where they sync properly with the sequencer) -
1. Play the sequencer at least one bar before the actual sequenced midi parts start and
2. Make sure that (in your sequencer) the currently highlighted track is the track whose outs are to the TI's virus control software (this is while the arps are playing).

These are the best steps to take in order to get syncable arps?

Step 2 should only be necessary in Logic right now.

[ben crosland]

1. Play the sequencer at least one bar before the actual sequenced midi parts start and

Great.But if your recording a voice on a constant loop,your stuffed :cry:

Why? It works OK here. If you refer to the annoying way in which Logic automatically jumps to the left locator when you press play in cycle mode, just press play first, then switch cycle on. Once it is looping, there shouldn't be a problem.

And anyway, in my experience (with 5.5.1 at any rate) - start *any* VSti playback without pre-roll, and you lose the beginning of the first note. Even the Klopfgeist misses off the first beat every time I start playback!

[Drammy]

DJTOMMYBOY,

Have you upgraded to the newest OS version? 1.0.9 is up on the access website.

Apologies if I have missed this in earlier posts to this thread - I scanned but didn't see.

Drammy

[Timo]

Doc... Don?t forget to play your TI only: -

Whilst facing west,
Only wearing the colour green,
Only thinking pure thoughts,
Using your feet,
Covered in lard.

Only then may you get your Virus TI to work as it should - intermittently of course...

Hehe. Looking that way, innit?

[MonkeyMan]

It's getting fucking ludicrous. I'm holding out for OS 1.1 before making my final assessment.

[ben crosland]

It's getting fucking ludicrous. I'm holding out for OS 1.1 before making my final assessment.

Monkeyman - are you experiencing the same arp sync issues with 1.09?

[ZEBASTIAN]

Im on G5 and Logic pro 7.1....so far the Ti is unusable......even the Arps from the buggy Virus Powercore respond better....
if after V1.1 i cant get the Ti to decently work ill put it on ebay....and will share my experience with anyone looking to buy a new Virus TI :roll:

Are you using the usb outs on the arp part?

And do you have a TI track highlighted during playback?

Hi ben.....at first I was using the TI with VC and USB as main out......the arps dont sync at all.....then I switched from usb to OUT 1 as main output, and its even worse because I hear everyhting distorted, everyhting is noise!!!
Im recording with logic 7.1 and I have set a pre-roll of 2 bars before recording :roll:
I 've highlighted the tracks asigned for the TI in logic every time......and BTW....WHY THE TI CANT REMEMBER WHEN YOU CHANGE THE MAIN OUT? every time I open Logic Ti sets itself to Usb out..

[ben crosland]

Hi ben.....at first I was using the TI with VC and USB as main out......the arps dont sync at all.....then I switched from usb to OUT 1 as main output, and its even worse because I hear everyhting distorted, everyhting is noise!!!
Im recording with logic 7.1 and I have set a pre-roll of 2 bars before recording :roll:
I 've highlighted the tracks asigned for the TI in logic every time......and BTW....WHY THE TI CANT REMEMBER WHEN YOU CHANGE THE MAIN OUT? every time I open Logic Ti sets itself to Usb out..

OK - then this looks like it's something to do with your setup - hopefully we can get to the bottom of it. What sample rate are you working at, btw?

[MonkeyMan]

Ben. Yes - even with pre-rolling 1 bar in Logic using TI OS 1.0.9 (and the latest OS X upgrade) I am having similar drunken-arp issues, which are incredibly frustrating and annoying.

I am hoping that OS 1.1 will incorporate improved latency/timing/stability as well as Remote mode and patch sort improvements. I will be bitterly disappointed otherwise we will be in the same position we are in now!

On a slight side track I think that it would be a good idea for the folks at Access to create a "hints & tips" guide for optimising each DAW (Logic, SX, DP etc) on their Website. Native Instruments have something similar to this on their site. It may be that a vast number of issues are resolved by simply reading best practices.

[ZEBASTIAN]

Hi ben.....at first I was using the TI with VC and USB as main out......the arps dont sync at all.....then I switched from usb to OUT 1 as main output, and its even worse because I hear everyhting distorted, everyhting is noise!!!
Im recording with logic 7.1 and I have set a pre-roll of 2 bars before recording :roll:
I 've highlighted the tracks asigned for the TI in logic every time......and BTW....WHY THE TI CANT REMEMBER WHEN YOU CHANGE THE MAIN OUT? every time I open Logic Ti sets itself to Usb out..

OK - then this looks like it's something to do with your setup - hopefully we can get to the bottom of it. What sample rate are you working at, btw?

Im working at 44.1 khz...
my set up is dual G5 2.0. 2 gb ram.
mac osx10.4.4 .....logic pro 7.1.1
Audio card is presonus firebox....buffer size used in logic is 128.
Process buffer range is set to "small"
24 bit and software monitoring...
Virus TI used with VC...midi over usb and audio over OUT 1.

if using usb for audio and midi then i dont get distorted sounds.....but in both cases Arps are a mess.

[nailgun23]

if you start recording with 1 bar preroll in an 8 bar loop will the arp stay in sync after the loop comes back around?
Last night my setup in DP would sync and then fall out and then sync again.
I'm going crazy!!!!!!
Cheers Nailgun

[ben crosland]

if you start recording with 1 bar preroll in an 8 bar loop will the arp stay in sync after the loop comes back around?
Last night my setup in DP would sync and then fall out and then sync again.
I'm going crazy!!!!!!
Cheers Nailgun

Digital Performer is not a compatible host yet, I'm afraid.

[DJTOMMYBOY]

Let me get this straight...If im using Logic 6 and my virus TI I have NO CHANCE of ever syncing an arp to midi??

WTF??

My KC was rock solid with sync if I was sending midi time code.

Even if Im on the virus channel its still syncing in and out wheter im using the Analog outs or USB...What a nightmare...Loks like a return on the ti or should I hold out for a better OS??

[ben crosland]

[quote="DJTOMMYBOY"]Let me get this straight...If im using Logic 6 and my virus TI I have NO CHANCE of ever syncing an arp to midi??

WTF??
/quote]

I would have thought you should be able to get it to sync, yes. You will certainly need to do some workarounds if you are using Virus Control, due to Logic 6's lack of PDC, that's all.

[MonkeyMan]

This goes back to my earlier post. Access need to post these "work-arounds" on their site for each DAW. It would make everyones life a lot easier.

Would Access like to comment on this?

[DJTOMMYBOY]

[quote=DJTOMMYBOY]Let me get this straight...If im using Logic 6 and my virus TI I have NO CHANCE of ever syncing an arp to midi??

WTF??
/quote]

I would have thought you should be able to get it to sync, yes. You will certainly need to do some workarounds if you are using Virus Control, due to Logic 6's lack of PDC, that's all.

I have 7.1.1 sitting at home but i donwgraded due to the fact I cant use my Waves in logic7 and I was having issues with logic always crashing.

If I upgrade will I def be able to sync the virus to midi or is it a shot in the dark?

[MonkeyMan]

This goes back to my earlier post. Access need to post these "work-arounds" on their site for each DAW. It would make everyones life a lot easier.

Would Access like to comment on this?

Marc what do you reckon?

[MonkeyMan]

This goes back to my earlier post. Access need to post these "work-arounds" on their site for each DAW. It would make everyones life a lot easier.

Would Access like to comment on this?

Marc what do you reckon?

Earth calling Access.... (note tumbleweed blowing past in the background)

[ben crosland]

Would Access like to comment on this?

Marc what do you reckon?

Earth calling Access.... (note tumbleweed blowing past in the background)

Believe it or not, Marc is not online, monitoring this forum 24/7, Monkeyman ;)

[MonkeyMan]

Nevertheless a reply would be nice Ben. It is not much to ask for... It was open to anyone at Access to reply originally - and they didn't.

[ben crosland]

Nevertheless a reply would be nice Ben. It is not much to ask for... It was open to anyone at Access to reply originally - and they didn't.

As yet they might - you make it sound so final, yet it's only 3 hrs since you made that post!

[MonkeyMan]

I hope so Ben. It would make your life a lot more simple in an instant. A vast number of issues mentioned on this forum could be instantly diagnosed and referred to on the Access site just by clicking on "tips for Logic" as an example.

Unofficial or not - I am certain that this website is viewed very, very closely in the dark depths of the Access building... (I can almost hear the David Hasselhof music being pumped around the corridors)

[The girl next door]

1. Play the sequencer at least one bar before the actual sequenced midi parts start and

Great.But if your recording a voice on a constant loop,your stuffed :cry:

Why? It works OK here. If you refer to the annoying way in which Logic automatically jumps to the left locator when you press play in cycle mode, just press play first, then switch cycle on. Once it is looping, there shouldn't be a problem.

And anyway, in my experience (with 5.5.1 at any rate) - start *any* VSti playback without pre-roll, and you lose the beginning of the first note. Even the Klopfgeist misses off the first beat every time I start playback!

I Personally have never meet a singer that could do a whole song in one take and get it right,so i this/our case we have to record vocals in a loop until she gets it right.So in alot of cases the sentence she is trying to get right is in the middle of a Apr part,or do you expect us to loop from the start of a Apr part which might have started 60 seconds before the lyrics she is trying to prefect...

[MADSTATION]

the girl next door:
Why not bounce the whole tune to .wav instead?
I usually do that in the recording phase.
Then you take the best bits of vocal then import them back in your real project.

Just a workaround :)

[The girl next door]

the girl next door:
Why not bounce the whole tune to .wav instead?
I usually do that in the recording phase.
Then you take the best bits of vocal then import them back in your real project.

Just a workaround :)
Never thought of that,nice one...
But it Still don't make the Ti work for the most on this forum as it should do...I'm one of the lucky ones,just now and then Apr timing loss on loops but that only depends on what Latency i run my MOTU 828mk2 soundcard on, the lower the better (We only turn up the Latency if we get Asio crashes and that only happens when were running Korg,Z3ta+ and RMX VSTis which we use quite a bit,we normally record the RMX straight away but the others we leave as Midi as we are always fannying around with the parameters)apart from that,everything is Ok..

[ZEBASTIAN]

Nevertheless a reply would be nice Ben. It is not much to ask for... It was open to anyone at Access to reply originally - and they didn't.

As yet they might - you make it sound so final, yet it's only 3 hrs since you made that post!

THEY might??? Hmmm...I though you Ben were part of Access.....am i wrong?? they...we? what will it be??? :roll:

[F5D]

Logic 6 is not supported...

However, the main problem will no doubt be the fact that Logic 6 Mac does not delay compensate! You will have to compensate every TI track with a negative delay yourself to get around this problem, I guess.
Strange that logic6 is not supported but logic 5.5.1 pc is?! And both have the same pdc which is not fully functional. :?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I can almost hear the David Hasselhof music being pumped around the corridors

:lol:

Didnt he have a number 1 at some point? Classic!

DS

[DJTOMMYBOY]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??

[Doc Jones]

THEY might??? Hmmm...I though you Ben were part of Access.....am i wrong?? they...we? what will it be??? :roll:
Zebastian, though Ben knows Access's products better than most, he doesn't work for access. So everybody take it easy on the fella, he's just trying to help out :wink:

[The girl next door]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??
I would sooner sell the Mac than your Ti

[ZEBASTIAN]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??
I would sooner sell the Mac than your Ti


thats the funniest thing I have heard in this forum.......I BET you are not using a mac

[ZEBASTIAN]

THEY might??? Hmmm...I though you Ben were part of Access.....am i wrong?? they...we? what will it be??? :roll:
Zebastian, though Ben knows Access's products better than most, he doesn't work for access. So everybody take it easy on the fella, he's just trying to help out :wink:


OOOH..ok....I didnt know...Now i Do...sorry Ben.....thx for trying to help out :wink:

but isnt ben croslan the guy who apears in all the videos at sonicstate?? 8O

[The girl next door]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??
I would sooner sell the Mac than your Ti


thats the funniest thing I have heard in this forum.......I BET you are not using a mac
Correct...Never touch a running system :wink:
Anyway looks like Pc Logic users are having more fun with there Ti's ....So whos laughing now :lol:

[ZEBASTIAN]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??
I would sooner sell the Mac than your Ti


thats the funniest thing I have heard in this forum.......I BET you are not using a mac
Correct...Never touch a running system :wink:
Anyway looks like Pc Logic users are having more fun with there Ti's ....So whos laughing now :lol:


sorry dude...but your sentence is pointless......this is not about mac/pc ...Logic/or cubase advantages...this is about TI not working period.....there are very unhappy Ti mac / pc users, and thats what we are trying to resolve here,....

[The girl next door]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??
I would sooner sell the Mac than your Ti


thats the funniest thing I have heard in this forum.......I BET you are not using a mac
Correct...Never touch a running system :wink:
Anyway looks like Pc Logic users are having more fun with there Ti's ....So whos laughing now :lol:


sorry dude...but your sentence is pointless......this is not about mac/pc ...Logic/or cubase advantages...this is about TI not working period.....there are very unhappy Ti mac / pc users, and thats what we are trying to resolve here,....
Not working period 8O
The only way to resolve it,is 4 Access to finish an OS that works on all systems.

[MonkeyMan]

Gents. I am going to start another thread in relation to my request for Access to update their website with useful work-arounds for everyone.

Lets hope we get a positive response. Please display any support for this suggestion on the new thread.

Thanks.

[DJTOMMYBOY]

Ummmmmmmmmmm

Shoud I return my Virus then?

[Khazul]

Get a newer version of Logic.

Would rather throw a mac out of a window than part with my TI.




Hmmm... actually - could quite happily throw a mac out a window anyway - especially if one of the ones with a built in CRT display :lol:

[marc]

Logic 6 is not supported...

However, the main problem will no doubt be the fact that Logic 6 Mac does not delay compensate! You will have to compensate every TI track with a negative delay yourself to get around this problem, I guess.
Strange that logic6 is not supported but logic 5.5.1 pc is?! And both have the same pdc which is not fully functional. :?

logic 5.5. for a PC is not supported. logic 5.5.1/PC doesn't equal logic 6.4.x/Mac

best, marc

[marc]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??

the virus TI will never fully work with logic 6/Mac or logic 5.5.1/PC - that's why those versions are not listed to be compatible

best, marc

[The girl next door]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??

the virus TI will never fully work with logic 6/Mac or logic 5.5.1/PC - that's why those versions are not listed to be compatible

best, marc
Sorry Marc i'm sure you know what your talking about but when we lower our Latency of our MOTU 828 MK2 to 256 samples and under it runs Very stable.Ben seems to be getting it right also (Logic 5.5.1)

[ben crosland]

Should I return my TI or not?? Will it ever work on Logic 6 for arps & Midi sync??

the virus TI will never fully work with logic 6/Mac or logic 5.5.1/PC - that's why those versions are not listed to be compatible

best, marc
Sorry Marc i'm sure you know what your talking about but when we lower our Latency of our MOTU 828 MK2 to 256 samples and under it runs Very stable.Ben seems to be getting it right also (Logic 5.5.1)

Well, it's certainly usable, but it's not fully compatible - it does run more reliably for me in SX3.1.1 - I only prefer to use Logic 5.5.1 since that's the host I'm most familiar with still.

I'm completely driven by habit to launch Logic first, it seems ;)

[Merlot]

I'm completely driven by habit to launch Logic first, it seems ;)

Time to make the switch!!!! :twisted:

[DJTOMMYBOY]

OK so I upgraded to Logic 7.1.1 .The virus still wont arp correctly


Damnit!!

[The girl next door]

OK so I upgraded to Logic 7.1.1 .The virus still wont arp correctly


Damnit!!
What soundcard you using?? lower the Latency(Works 4 us)

[DJTOMMYBOY]

OK so I upgraded to Logic 7.1.1 .The virus still wont arp correctly


Damnit!!
What soundcard you using?? lower the Latency(Works 4 us)

A motu 828 MKII. Should I lower the buffer in Logic to 256?

Should I connect the Virus to my Motu soundcard through SPDIF?