Virus Ti SonicState Reviews....

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

What a load of crap people are writing over at sonicstate......

First of all it started with the editors review scores....75% for each category??? Hello!!!! The KC got 100% for each category and I seriously doubt the Ti actually sounds worse. So wtf????

Im under the distinct impression there are some weirdo's out there posting their rants. Correct me if im wrong but i doubt our very own Tomer Trance would have written a review like that. I hope some wanker doesnt decide to use my name and write a shitty review.....because id just like to set the record straight - Yes, im not the worlds biggest digital synth fan....and sometimes I dislike the concept of Virtual analog because i find myself comparing it to the real deal all too often....but one thing id never do is give a Virus a rating of less than 4/5. I do appreciate the Virus in terms of good build quality and it can make some nice sounds....that in my mind makes it a 4/5. People who give any synth (not just a virus) scores of 2 or 1/5 are blatently pissed off about something.

So my message to you people with TI's. If youve got one and your happy with it...spread the love http://www.sonicstate.com/synth_reviews/access_virus-ti.cfm

DS

[diy]

I had the same query yesterday, I was reading the same reviews and I found
so many TI haters I couldn't believe in my eyes. After all why they bought it If they didn't like it? If someone spends 2500e on a synth must make a wise decision before. This is not a midi controller. It's a synth that has a sound to die for IMHO but it's only disavantage is that Access released and advertised it too early. When we were shouting on this forum 6 months ago for the release date we couldn't expect that in the first version of software the synth would crash and have unusable integration, these are not bugs but clues of an unfinished product. But in the world of internet and eproms you can flash for 1000 times, delivering a synth which does not work properly seems no such a big deal. You can fix it later receiving feedback from many users using many platforms. Although my TI now is workable with some major annoyning bugs yet, now I can work with it and I feel confidence in access, the bugs sooner or later will be ironed. But I still think that the TI was released prematurely.

[Hollowcell]

That is some fucked up troll causing hassles for sure. 8O

I wonder if SonicState would like to give the IP addresses out?! Tommer has a right to ask if anyone does (Tommer Trance isn't exactly a common name after all). It would be nice to find out who and where this person really is!

It just spoils the whole point of user reviews! :evil:

[dr. orange]

lol tomer trance's review :wink:

It must be one of us, whoever would know tomer? But whom?
is it me, because I didn't receive it for a long time?
Is it you DS, because you are jealous of those who have it?
Is it one of those who like the TI very much and don't want it to be sold well so that they are one of the few having one?

We need Sherlock!!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I lust after vintage synths because they are hard to come by.....i dont get jealous of things I can buy in a shop tomorrow.... :lol:

I didnt realise Tomer lived in Germany now.....

I reckon it must be someone from here or the other forum.....

DS

[Hollowcell]

I don't think it would be someone here that posts. More like someone who has read about the TI here. Everyone that posts here knows where Tommer lives.

I hope SonicState will give out the IP addresses (someone should ask them - maybe Access?), then once we know that we can find out where they posted from at least. Maybe it'll even match up to someone here!

My suspects are.... :D

Teengirl lust.
DS.
Dr. Orange.
Juho.

I only chose Juho just because he's such an angry fucker with little or no social skills.

Hold on, the other possibility is that it could actually be Tommer! 8O :D
Tommer, now is the time to come clean...

[F5D]

lol tomer trance's review :wink:

We need Sherlock!!
I just had to take a look at the reviews at sonicstate and IMO there was nothing strange about tomer trance's opinion. He likes the sound (but maybe digital which the virus sure is) and the looking which is great too. Then tomer gave 1/5 for stability and support. I would give access support a better, maybe 3/5 (because they're nice and answer quickly but not always give a real answer or solution). I haven't used TI yet but I can read many many posts about TI hardware crashing etc so based on the threads in many forums I guess the 1/5 for stability is not so wrong. I couldn't work with a synth which crashes even at once. I'm still waiting for 100% stable os for TI and I may purchase one when people stop posting about TI crashing etc. Maybe some of the units are worse than others which means there are also many faulty units which is not so great. Anyway, I hope they'll get things fixed with os updates soon.

[jasedee]

It is definately NOT our Tomer...

The real Tomer could Never write english as well as the fake one did ;)

[Hollowcell]

The real Tomer could Never write english as well as the fake one did ;)

Hehehe! Yes!!!

Well that rules Tommer out then! :D

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Hang on a sec....the Tomer post was written by someone who can write english well (well kinda well :lol: ).....wait a minute....i see it.....i see it in my crystal ball....the initials....

The initials HC.....

You goddamn english teacher!!!!

DS :P :lol:

[Hollowcell]

Hang on a sec....the Tomer post was written by someone who can write english well (well kinda well :lol: ).....wait a minute....i see it.....i see it in my crystal ball....the initials....

The initials HC.....

You goddamn english teacher!!!!

DS :P :lol:

Hehehe, if the person is writing English well then that really rules me out! Matsa will back me up on that one! :D


Seeing as we are pointing fingers though....

303 has remained very quiet on the issue. Mmmm, where is my game of cluedo when I need it?

[Khazul]

What amazes me with alot of these reviews and many of the rant posts on here and elsewhere is how many people seem willing to spend alot of money on a synth where the sound doesnt seem to be the main criteria.

I can understand spending alot of cash on a workstation on that basis - they are supposed to be feature monsters with lots of useable sounds, but not allways great sounds. But high end synths are generally something that you buy for its sound if you actually care about your own resulting sound.

I guess theres alot of people who buy into it allmost with the mindset of buying into the 'trance franchise' without knowning what they want.

If I'm buying a synth - something about the sound has to rate 5/5 before I will buy it, unless it is very cheap. Even when its very cheap - rack space/studio space has a value, and so it still has to justify its space and therefore a 4/5 is required.

[Origami]

yes Khazul, but the main appeal of the TI was its Total Integration feature. A Virus C does already sound amazing. Even the Virus B, which is what I've got, sounds wonderful. I wouldn't sell my B and buy a TI (imagine: even if I sold my B at about 900 euros, I'd still have to pay 1300 euros for the TI) just for the sound. It's the TI feature what's been the main attraction of the TI ads. It's logical, we musicians who use software sequencers need a synth that complements perfectly with software. That is what the TI was supposed to be. Actually it doesn't seem to be. It sounds great? I don' doubt it. BUT my Access Virus B already sound great.
I follow these threads and forums since months ago; I love the Virus; it's the only synth I've been convinced to buy, and I don't regret it. BUT let's be frank: so far, TI's publicitary campaign has been a moral fraud. I hope this will change in the end, but so far...
greetings from someone who LOVES the sound of the Virus and who would definitely love to buy a TI...a REAL TI.

[Tomer=Trance]

I lust after vintage synths because they are hard to come by.....i dont get jealous of things I can buy in a shop tomorrow.... :lol:

I didnt realise Tomer lived in Germany now.....

I reckon it must be someone from here or the other forum.....

DS

i have recently moved to east berlin,i wish they brake down this fucking wall already 8O

finaly got what all this is about
lol! how funny is that,it seems that my split personaly have used my virus forum alies to write a negetive feedback.
i wasnt aware i even had a TI!,where did that bastered hide it?! :evil:

[Khazul]

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Yes - true, my point was really aimed at the number of reviews in that list that had the sound as anything other than 4/5 or 5/5. So anyone in that list that has the sound as 1/5, 2/5 - my reaction is WTF did you buy a TI for???


Its fair enough for people to be pissed off about other issues, its just I cant understand people buying a high end synth when they didnt check out the sounds and find out if they would like them or not.

Of course maybe they did, and thought they liked it and changed their mind later.

[Origami]

yes yes you're right. Sound is what matters after all. BUt it's just that when I read about the TI more than a year ago, I was so so eager...and now it's out and the TI is just pseudo-TI...a pity.

do you think it will work as a perfect VST some day?

[Khazul]

do you think it will work as a perfect VST some day?

If it was anyone else - I might be skeptical. USB audio has been endless trouble for many devices. Thnkfully in this case I think Access actually did the right thing at this time for USB audio - buy in a stable hardware/driver set that was known to work and build on that rather than trying and possibly failing to implement a USB 2 or firewire solution.

They can do that later when they have learned alot more about the problem space (which is very different from writing embedded code for their hardware).

In terms of getting the VSTi right - yeh - Im sure they will (within the limits of the Steinberg VST hosting system which isnt entirely bug free either). I get the impression that the Access guys are very committed to getting the TI right and doing the right thing for thier user community - after all - thats alot of what got them to where they are today.


As for a Feb release, who knows - just chill and let them get on with it :)

[adsr]

do you think it will work as a perfect VST some day?

In terms of getting the VSTi right - yeh - Im sure they will (within the limits of the Steinberg VST hosting system which isnt entirely bug free either). I get the impression that the Access guys are very committed to getting the TI right and doing the right thing for thier user community - after all - thats alot of what got them to where they are today.

As for a Feb release, who knows - just chill and let them get on with it :)

my ti's been a real bitch to get working w/ a common setup--arguably the one it was designed for--logic pro 7 osx.4. i've been reading lots of the same types of problems [many i've overcome w/ hours of work and experimentation] on this other forum virusti.com. you can read my posts to hear my experience...it's ongoing: link (http://virusti.com/forum/index.php?s=63d207ac49fcd07175c772e19a654f66&act=Search&nav=lv&CODE=show&searchid=080d7b4391013875f91411c2291dbc05&search_in=posts&result_type=posts)

khazul, i'm glad you're having a great time w/ your pc setup, but that's you and vsti. ti/audio units and I are having a shitty time working and i don't want to just chill and let them get on w/ it. lots of people are apparently having identical problems. i don't want public assertions to the contrary. i want to encourage access to address common problems w/ better documentation and setup assistance, templates, and tutorials. ben crosland, marc, whomever. i've gotten further w/ a message board, and trying stuff over and over than i have w/ access support who just told me to take it in for a warranty repair [not the problem]. :x

[Khazul]

So explain to me how giving access a hard time (whether deserved or not) is going to help you get bugs fixed quicker?

The guys you will be stressing are the same guys who are probably working most of their waking hours at the moment on fixes. Personally I would be much happier knowing they aint getting distracted from that task, and therefore stand a better chance of getting it right.

They really do know the issues - they read these forums regularly it seems, those same developers get to see the support emails that a number of us have sent in for one reason or another.

And yes - I have serious issues with the TI as well at times. Maybe because I am also a developer I am way more sympathetic to the situation because Ive been there before, I know the processes and the realities faced by smaller companies. In fact even big companies with allmost limitless resources can get it badly wrong when it comes to the difference between test environments and the real world. I guess also because Im a developer than I have the advantage if having a better idea of how to diagnose and resolve many of the DAW issues I have to deal with - many are not the fault of the TI (audio glitches for example are probably not a TI bug, but more often a system setup issue).

Ive had to deal with the customer back lash and I personally know exactly how stressing and distracting it can be from doing what you want to do which is get the issues sorted out and get the customers happy through them being pleased with the end result. Most developers I know live off good feedback and happy customers - pissed off customers are depressing for all concerned.

I am not excusing the situation, but I do not beleive that getting angry and stressed about it helps anyone, least of all yourself. So I say again - chill and let them get on with it. If you have specific issues, then do email them in to Access support (http://www.access-music.de/emailsupportform.php4) with as much information about what you were doing as possible - ie anything that can help them understand and reproduce the problem. I know many of the issues just seem random so thats often difficult, but when Access see a couple of dozen related reports from different people then sometimes a pattern emerges which is hugely helpful in finding the cause and permenantly fixing it.

I do sometimes wish Access would communicate more effectively with the community, even if just more frequent updates to ampfea (that can be copied to here), because it is frustrating waiting for fixes and not hearing anything.

[adsr]

So explain to me how giving access a hard time (whether deserved or not) is going to help you get bugs fixed quicker?

The guys you will be stressing are the same guys who are probably working most of their waking hours at the moment on fixes. Personally I would be much happier knowing they aint getting distracted from that task, and therefore stand a better chance of getting it right.

They really do know the issues - they read these forums regularly it seems, those same developers get to see the support emails that a number of us have sent in for one reason or another.

And yes - I have serious issues with the TI as well at times. Maybe because I am also a developer I am way more sympathetic to the situation because Ive been there before, I know the processes and the realities faced by smaller companies. In fact even big companies with allmost limitless resources can get it badly wrong when it comes to the difference between test environments and the real world. I guess also because Im a developer than I have the advantage if having a better idea of how to diagnose and resolve many of the DAW issues I have to deal with - many are not the fault of the TI (audio glitches for example are probably not a TI bug, but more often a system setup issue).

Ive had to deal with the customer back lash and I personally know exactly how stressing and distracting it can be from doing what you want to do which is get the issues sorted out and get the customers happy through them being pleased with the end result. Most developers I know live off good feedback and happy customers - pissed off customers are depressing for all concerned.

I am not excusing the situation, but I do not beleive that getting angry and stressed about it helps anyone, least of all yourself. So I say again - chill and let them get on with it. If you have specific issues, then do email them in to Access support (http://www.access-music.de/emailsupportform.php4) with as much information about what you were doing as possible - ie anything that can help them understand and reproduce the problem. I know many of the issues just seem random so thats often difficult, but when Access see a couple of dozen related reports from different people then sometimes a pattern emerges which is hugely helpful in finding the cause and permenantly fixing it.

I do sometimes wish Access would communicate more effectively with the community, even if just more frequent updates to ampfea (that can be copied to here), because it is frustrating waiting for fixes and not hearing anything.

whoa...shit dude, i said encourage not hard time. i write music to make my living. the fact that you've got this much time to write this response tells me something about you. the only reason we're even interacting is because access sold me something that doesn't work as advertised....when this happens, it should be run up a flagpole until it's straightened out. i'm not freaking, but if my ti can't meet a minimum level of usability within my 30 day return period, i'm going to get louder online as day 30 approaches. anyhow, tech-support is what these groups are good for...to me...you're here for some other reason. [snipped my speculation] the only reason i'm writing back is because i've got time while i downgrade to 1.0.7...takes forever... we'll see if that helps.

anyway, i'm glad the keyboard mag review was fair. i might actually subscribe...it's been...hmm...maybe a decade.
http://www.keyboardmag.com/story.asp?sectioncode=30&storycode=12646

[MonkeyMan]

I do sometimes wish Access would communicate more effectively with the community, even if just more frequent updates to ampfea (that can be copied to here), because it is frustrating waiting for fixes and not hearing anything.

Totally agree with Khazul on his last comment. I think this is one of the main reasons why so many people give Access a hard time - it comes down to sheer unavoidable frustration. Combined with the current OS issues and the money users have spent on a product not yet fully stable/working it's no wonder people feel aggrieved.

I believe this situation can be bettered by regular and improved communication/PR. I would welcome Access to take this point fully on board.

On the other hand if further time is required by Access to really nail down software/hardware issues in relation to coding a fully working stable OS 1.10 then so be it. I suggest anyone and everyone who is having any sort of crash, freeze, glitch etc take note of what they were doing at the time and send it over to Access. No excuses.

I would rather wait another month to have a fully working stable OS than having to update in dribs and drabs unsuccessfully, which is what I have frustratingly done since November 2005. (Out of interest I went back to 1.07)

ADSR ? Have you checked out the recent Logic/SX help guides in relation to optimising your set-up? (Well worth a look if you haven?t)

http://www.access-music.de/downloads.php4?product=virustikeyboard#cat4

[adsr]

ADSR ? Have you checked out the recent Logic/SX help guides in relation to optimising your set-up? (Well worth a look if you haven?t)

http://www.access-music.de/downloads.php4?product=virustikeyboard#cat4

yeah mm, this is all while using the logic tutorial/template. thx tho :)

are you able to automate from the ti knobs in virus control? i can automate only by mouse. i've tried playing and recording in touch, latch and write. the ti reacts to my knob moves, it sounds right during the recording, vc visually reacts, but nothing is recorded...even though it looks like it's recording the moves, i.e., making temporary white regions in the arrange window that suddenly disappear when recording stops. what am i doing wrong here?

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downgrading from 1.0.9 to 1.0.7 changes nothing for me on osx/logic7...the advice from "girl next door" i've seen on several sites, is probably only applicable to pc/logic5.

[The girl next door]

are you able to automate from the ti knobs in virus control? i can automate only by mouse. i've tried playing and recording in touch, latch and write. the ti reacts to my knob moves, it sounds right during the recording, vc visually reacts, but nothing is recorded...even though it looks like it's recording the moves, i.e., making temporary white regions in the arrange window that suddenly disappear when recording stops. what am i doing wrong here?


I also can't Automate,only with the mouse drawing in the Commands
downgrading from 1.0.9 to 1.0.7 changes nothing for me on osx/logic7...the advice from "girl next door" i've seen on several sites, is probably only applicable to pc/logic5.
This is ONLY my personal experience 1.08 APR problems and 1.09 stuck notes..
Listen for yourself
http://www.thegirlnextdoor.de/109.mp3 1.09
http://www.thegirlnextdoor.de/107.mp3 1.07
But lately 1.07 is giving me APR timing problems also :roll:

[adsr]

I also can't Automate,only with the mouse drawing in the Commands
This is ONLY my personal experience 1.08 APR problems and 1.09 stuck notes..
Listen for yourself
http://www.thegirlnextdoor.de/109.mp3 1.09
http://www.thegirlnextdoor.de/107.mp3 1.07
But lately 1.07 is giving me APR timing problems also :roll:

np :) it's just that most people now assume osx when you say logic. i didn't look through your old posts to see you're pc/logic5. anyway, i can now automate on track 1--the other tracks are there as submenus. i haven't done anything different. i just can[?]!!! so weird. yeah, the arp is really hit or miss...sometimes miss or miss. bounce to audio asap is my only solution.