Disapointed in TI bass patchs..

[mnj]

I just want fat bass.. All the bass has tons of effects and is all crazy.. I just want raw clean fat bass.. like daft punk or what you hear in rap songs.. Wheres all the NORMAL bass presets..

[Tomer=Trance]

hmm... did you try to program your own? :roll:

but anyway,the virus is not so great for deep sh101\minimoog basses

[3o3]

Aye indeed. Try to program your own patches. I'll bet ya there is atleast 100 tips on how to get nice bass-sounds outta the virus on this board

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I just want fat bass.. All the bass has tons of effects and is all crazy.. I just want raw clean fat bass.. like daft punk or what you hear in rap songs.. Wheres all the NORMAL bass presets..

This is the reason why people use true analog monosynths....

....you know....the shitty kind that dont have menue's and patch memory storage. Some dont even use midi.... :lol:

Check out analog monosynths like the Sequential Pro-One and Korg Mono-Poly

DS

[Hollowcell]

I've never been a fan of the Virus bass either (although I haven't tried a TI yet). The filters work really great if you run a solid bass through them though (from another source of course)!

Another vote for an Analogue mono here.

[Guzzy]

I think the Virus basses are good!,
In this example, music too a local theater, I used the Virus for bass, Roland Fantom XR accordion, and motif8 strings, and loops from Primesound.
http://home.online.no/~gosather/songs/bonderomantikk2.mp3

[Hollowcell]

I think it depends on the genre. For your music, yes it works well.

If you would like to listen to the sort of bass I like/need for my music, go to the soundclick link in my signature and play my "Chunky CS10" clip. The Virus can't do bass like that unfortunately.

[Guzzy]

Read that You make som proccesing via the Virus, hmm maybe I shall try to route the JP-6 to the Virus inputs 8)

A loop in a other genre example ( 5 part Virus ( 1 pad, 2 arps and 2 basses) + Dist.gtr from Fantom XR):
http://home.online.no/~gosather/songs/virus.mp3

[Hollowcell]

Yup the Virus filters are great for processing bass, it's just a pitty the OSCs aren't really the best for making it.

In the end, it is personal choice though. :D

[Xspringe]

Yup the Virus filters are great for processing bass, it's just a pitty the OSCs aren't really the best for making it.

In the end, it is personal choice though. :D

Which Synths do you guys recommend for bass? I've been waiting for my virus ti desktop since december, and I've had it with waiting (that and the fact that it appears to have a lot of issues).

Any alternatives in the price range?

[nutekk]

get yourseld a waldorf pulse!
super low end.

[Hollowcell]

Which Synths do you guys recommend for bass? I've been waiting for my virus ti desktop since december, and I've had it with waiting (that and the fact that it appears to have a lot of issues).

Any alternatives in the price range?

Just look around for Analogue mono synths. For the price of the TI you can pick up a few of these, but the thing is, they are usually only good for one thing, and that's bass in most cases.

The TI on the other hand is usefull for many things. I don't use my Virus for bass (except for processing), but it is truley inspirational for pads, leads and general madness.

Take out a loan, buy the TI and a few little bass heavy boxes! :D

[Xspringe]

Which Synths do you guys recommend for bass? I've been waiting for my virus ti desktop since december, and I've had it with waiting (that and the fact that it appears to have a lot of issues).

Any alternatives in the price range?

Just look around for Analogue mono synths. For the price of the TI you can pick up a few of these, but the thing is, they are usually only good for one thing, and that's bass in most cases.

The TI on the other hand is usefull for many things. I don't use my Virus for bass (except for processing), but it is truley inspirational for pads, leads and general madness.

Take out a loan, buy the TI and a few little bass heavy boxes! :D

Thanks a lot for the suggestion!

I'm thinking I would rather keep my setup as simple as possible (a philoshophy which also helps protect my wallet ;). One analogue synth for generating the deeper sounds and one more complex digital synth to go crazy with. The Waldorf Pulse Plus does look rather tasty to me: how does it compare to other monosynths?

[Hollowcell]

Pretty well I think. I don't have one myself, but I know a guy who gets huge bass out of one. Not a heap of hands on control though.

[Xspringe]

Pretty well I think. I don't have one myself, but I know a guy who gets huge bass out of one. Not a heap of hands on control though.

I wouldn't mind an analogue synth with total integration :)

[Khazul]

Whats the mono evolver rack like as a bass synth?

[mnj]

whats a good one for fat clean daft punk bass, and also do they have familiar parameters? (envelope, filter, oscilattors)? or do i have to learn a new set knobs etc?

[Hollowcell]

Whats the mono evolver rack like as a bass synth?

My guess is pretty good. Next time I'm in Tokyo I'll be giving one a bash. They have the same filters as the pro-one I hear.

I wouldn't mind an analogue synth with total integration

But that would just take all the fun out of it. :D

whats a good one for fat clean daft punk bass, and also do they have familiar parameters? (envelope, filter, oscilattors)? or do i have to learn a new set knobs etc?

It's a hard one to judge. I honestly don't listen to alot of their stuff, but I do know that Daft punk are famous for their abuse of compression. Much of their sound can be attributed to that. Maybe can you post a small clip so we can listen to the exact sound you might be interested in?

[Xspringe]

Pretty well I think. I don't have one myself, but I know a guy who gets huge bass out of one. Not a heap of hands on control though.

Now this looks very interesting: http://www.voltagekontrol.com/reKon/ !

[Hollowcell]

That looks great! :D
Just the thing to open up a Pulse for sure.

[Guzzy]

http://www.jam.se/vintage.html :wink:

[MADSTATION]

mnj: Have a look @ the main synth config and while browsing the bass patches, just select "disableAllReverb" and "disableAllDelay" to hear the patches in their "raw" format ;)

[Khazul]

That feature is so useful I wish there was a disable all fx toggle on the front panel for it.

Maybe a good feature suggest - make Shift+Edit FX toggle the FX on/off for audition purposes...

[MADSTATION]

Or what could be great(feature suggestion):

Keyboard shortcut(on the computer) that can be set within VC to trigger events on the hardware. So let's say SHIFT+F12 = disable all fx, etc.

[Khazul]

Stuff like that is at the mercy of the Steinberg VST plugin design - worth asking, but I suspect there nothing Access can do about it, unless the plugin UI is currently selected.

[Sleepwalker]

Hey, there was this little swedish analog synth posted here a while ago. Realy sexy little beast, with a joystick. Someone remember this one? Think it was limited to only 100 units or so...

[Khazul]

Are you thinking of this one?

http://www.monomachine.com/img/showroom/sfx6_03.jpg

[Sleepwalker]

Are you thinking of this one?

Nope, ive got that one ;-)

It was a smal box, with a joystick, and some controllers. Only 100 was made, or so...

Well actualy im getting a waldorf pulse realy cheap now (about $300), so im starting with that, and the software editor. Should be a nice starting/learning point to the real analog world.

All my present synths are digital!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The pulse will be a good place to start for analog. Once you get a feel for what analog mono's do....you might even try out vintage analogs....which generally speaking sound warmer and more characterful than the pulse. But the pulse is a good place to start for sure. Hope you like it...

DS

[soundsubs]

i have to chime in here and strongly disagree--- the virus IS good for bass.
in the old analogs (which ive had almost all of) you have to remember some rules when making your virus stand up to them:

-try using one oscillator instead of 2, 3, or unison. i forget this myself, but some of the punchiest fattest synths (303, sh101, monopoly, pro-one) had a single oscillator

-the "punch" that a lot of analogs have is not the filter, but the VCA. many of the old monosynths including the minimoog exhibited the "vca mistake" as bob moog called it--- where the vca would hang up for a couple milliseconds before moving on to the next stage. this is almost the same effect you can get with compression. but my point is dont just turn up the sustain to full and everything else to 0. a little spike = more punch

-yes, turn off the effects. you'll find even tempo sync'ed delay can weaken the hardness of a bassline. bone dry! even distortion can take out the smack of a sound, since it usually reduces dynamic level

-use the envelope filter to give more punch. to simplify this outside of a classroom, 2 envelopes running through each other are twice as punchy as one because of the way it works out mathematically. dont be afraid to use an lfo or other mod source to additionally envelope a sound.

-experiment with the filters. the moog ladder is great for moog bass. if you dont have a recent virus, work with the different saturation levels.

-post processing. theres nothing wrong with recording a virus as audio and processing it with a compressor with a slow attack to get some snap.


best of luck.

[solid77]

Check this out - I've written it on Virus including the bass, which is quite phat to me. Of course I've done some mastering after to make it punchier, but still... I really doubt there's a bass sound you couldn't reproduce with a Virus and a few mastering/eq plugins...

http://solid.starnet.md/Sunshine.mp3

[Threlly]

Bit confused by this thread.
How could you NOT get the bass sound you desire from a keyboard of this capability.
Are users just browsing the presets and hoping that tweaking the filter q will do the trick ?
Do any of the 'dance' crowd actually know how to program any more ?

[jasedee]

Bit confused by this thread.
How could you NOT get the bass sound you desire from a keyboard of this capability.
Are users just browsing the presets and hoping that tweaking the filter q will do the trick ?
Do any of the 'dance' crowd actually know how to program any more ?
I hear ya, but I also am in the position to have a Virus,a Yamaha CS-10, and a Roland SH-2 at my disposal, and I must say, that the Virus doesnt touch the vintage analogues when it comes to really thick, tasty bass.

[The girl next door]

and I must say, that the Virus doesnt touch the vintage analogues when it comes to really thick, tasty bass.
Bolloooooocks."Tweak" my son,"Tweak". :lol:

[ZEBASTIAN]

and I must say, that the Virus doesnt touch the vintage analogues when it comes to really thick, tasty bass.
Bolloooooocks."Tweak" my son,"Tweak". :lol:

Girl next Door....I really like your soundset....maybe you can create a new one with Bass only......for the one who can not program....much apreciated....Tarekith....you can do it also :lol:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Bit confused by this thread.
How could you NOT get the bass sound you desire from a keyboard of this capability.
Are users just browsing the presets and hoping that tweaking the filter q will do the trick ?
Do any of the 'dance' crowd actually know how to program any more ?

Threlly

The Virus can 'do' bass....all synths can do bass - its just that true analog monosynths do it alot more convincingly.....and since bass is one of those aspects which can sell a million records (well back in the 80's it did)....then I suggest you seriously look into getting a dedicated bass synth. By all means use a virus for bass....but I'd take THESE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkhwLOWt2wk&search=human%20league) type of bass sounds over anything a virus could make....

All subjective opinion at the end of the day :wink:

DS

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Check this out - I've written it on Virus including the bass, which is quite phat to me. Of course I've done some mastering after to make it punchier, but still... I really doubt there's a bass sound you couldn't reproduce with a Virus and a few mastering/eq plugins...

http://solid.starnet.md/Sunshine.mp3

Definitely a nice bass sound - but for my own sanity Id have to use a real analog for that duty....because in real terms I know it would be better. But thats just me....dance music does not necessarily need it

DS

[ZEBASTIAN]

Check this out - I've written it on Virus including the bass, which is quite phat to me. Of course I've done some mastering after to make it punchier, but still... I really doubt there's a bass sound you couldn't reproduce with a Virus and a few mastering/eq plugins...

http://solid.starnet.md/Sunshine.mp3


are all the elements of the song from Virus Ti???......very nice!! :wink:

[Sleepwalker]

The pulse will be a good place to start for analog. Once you get a feel for what analog mono's do....you might even try out vintage analogs....which generally speaking sound warmer and more characterful than the pulse. But the pulse is a good place to start for sure. Hope you like it...

DS

Its not as good as the old stuf? Did you read the sos review? Sounds like it is "the" bass synth...

" With an attack time of 1.9mS, the digital envelope is great for those punchy percussive patches, and must rate as one of the snappiest on an analogue synth"
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/1996_articles/feb96/waldorfpulse.html

And what about Dave Smiths Evolver? It is also relativly new, but it uses the same filters as in hes old analog synths... Are the envelopes as fast as the pulse?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

The oscilators and filters in the Pulse are a little sterile sounding (as far as true analogs go). Still very nice....but its not in the same league and vintage synths. 99% wont give a shit....but some of us do

DS

[solid77]

Check this out - I've written it on Virus including the bass, which is quite phat to me. Of course I've done some mastering after to make it punchier, but still... I really doubt there's a bass sound you couldn't reproduce with a Virus and a few mastering/eq plugins...

http://solid.starnet.md/Sunshine.mp3


are all the elements of the song from Virus Ti???......very nice!! :wink:

Well... Of course the vocals and some percussion are sampled material. But all the synths come from Virus TI, which I seem to adore...

Could please anyone post something which supposedly is irreplicable on Virus? Not that I would dare to reconstruct it on a Virus - I just want to understand what kind of bass are you talking about....

[The girl next door]

Girl next Door....I really like your soundset
Cheers....
Which one?? i've done 4...
You can download um from our forum on our website

[ZEBASTIAN]

Girl next Door....I really like your soundset
Cheers....
Which one?? i've done 4...
You can download um from our forum on our website


OOhhh...got the one on the access web.......I should check out your web....also silly question....how do you upload these banks to the Ram of the TI? ...are the Ram A to D same as the Rom? :roll:

[The girl next door]

Girl next Door....I really like your soundset
Cheers....
Which one?? i've done 4...
You can download um from our forum on our website


OOhhh...got the one on the access web.......I should check out your web....also silly question....how do you upload these banks to the Ram of the TI? ...are the Ram A to D same as the Rom? :roll:
I do everything over Virus control through USB i just import Midi files in and out of the Patches folder..I far as i know you can't write over the Rom banks but you can write over the Ram banks,or was it the other way around??

[ZEBASTIAN]

Girl next Door....I really like your soundset
Cheers....
Which one?? i've done 4...
You can download um from our forum on our website


OOhhh...got the one on the access web.......I should check out your web....also silly question....how do you upload these banks to the Ram of the TI? ...are the Ram A to D same as the Rom? :roll:
I do everything over Virus control through USB i just import Midi files in and out of the Patches folder..I far as i know you can't write over the Rom banks but you can write over the Ram banks,or was it the other way around??

I would like to overwrite the Ram bank A to D from the TI if they are the same than the Rom banks A to D.....

[jasedee]

[Could please anyone post something which supposedly is irreplicable on Virus? Not that I would dare to reconstruct it on a Virus - I just want to understand what kind of bass are you talking about....
I dont know about the quality of all the samples here, but check out This Thread (http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=5096)

Also, if you really wanna be scared at night, check out Hollowcells twisted bass, consisting of a Yamaha CS-10, Nord Lead, and Virus filters...

You can find Hollowcells thread Here (http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=5102)

[Hollowcell]

Bit confused by this thread.
How could you NOT get the bass sound you desire from a keyboard of this capability.
Are users just browsing the presets and hoping that tweaking the filter q will do the trick ?
Do any of the 'dance' crowd actually know how to program any more ?

Take a look at the link above in Jasedee's post which leads to the sounds I made using a Nord, CS-10 all routed through the Virus filters. Most of us here programm our sounds and many are reasonably good at it too, but simple programming only get's you so far.

If someone could replicate those sounds I made using a TI I'd be very shocked indeed!

To go one step further to what you've said. I think it's weak when people just programm sounds and do not try any different production/recording or true sound design methods. :wink:

[solid77]

[Could please anyone post something which supposedly is irreplicable on Virus? Not that I would dare to reconstruct it on a Virus - I just want to understand what kind of bass are you talking about....
I dont know about the quality of all the samples here, but check out This Thread (http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=5096)

Also, if you really wanna be scared at night, check out Hollowcells twisted bass, consisting of a Yamaha CS-10, Nord Lead, and Virus filters...

You can find Hollowcells thread Here (http://www.sunesha.nu/virusforum/viewtopic.php?t=5102)

Well... I've checked your samples out. You have there some really impressive bass. I understand it is multi layer and I presume that you couldn't reproduce the exact sound on a Virus, but you could try to have the layers done and then mix it... But I gues it goes down to a plain simple truth which is - no matter what gear you use and how you use if it makes you (and your audience) happy.

[Xspringe]

Does anyone know a nice analogue (mono)synth for basslines that can be controlled by MIDI and is capable of generating sine waves with it's OSCs? Ideally something that fits in my rack ;)

[Hollowcell]

Well... I've checked your samples out. You have there some really impressive bass. I understand it is multi layer and I presume that you couldn't reproduce the exact sound on a Virus, but you could try to have the layers done and then mix it... But I gues it goes down to a plain simple truth which is - no matter what gear you use and how you use if it makes you (and your audience) happy.

Thanks for the compliment. :D

I have tried layering and routing the Virus in a similar way, but it always seemed to be quite flat, almost dull in comparison. I really just think it's the Virus's "sound" if you know what I mean. Don't get wrong though, you layer the Virus with leads, pads or general madness and it kicks arse - just with bass it doesn't.

But like you said. It's really down to what makes the individual happy isn't it. Many people like the Virus bass after all.

[jasedee]

Well... I've checked your samples out. You have there some really impressive bass. I understand it is multi layer and I presume that you couldn't reproduce the exact sound on a Virus
Actually, except for Hollowcells bass, all the other Bass samples are from Vintage Analogue mono synths, no layering at all...

[nvisibl]

Sample a fart, and use a bit of EQ? 8O





I appreciate the Nord for its bass sounds.

[Hollowcell]

Sample a fart, and use a bit of EQ? 8O

I appreciate the Nord for its bass sounds.

Remind me never to borrow a mic from you if I ever get the chance! :D

[nvisibl]

lol

[robbie_uk]

the basses are alright if you program your own,the factory basses are full of fx added so sound plastic,ive programmed loads a fat basses on the t.i and it rocks...experiment mate..
robbie

[Hollowcell]

and I must say, that the Virus doesnt touch the vintage analogues when it comes to really thick, tasty bass.
Bolloooooocks."Tweak" my son,"Tweak". :lol:

I just took a listen to Solid77's track here (nice work by the way - specially like your filtering and structure of the high end precussion) and noticd this post from TGND.

TGND: Your post cracked me up! I don't know why I didn't notice it before. You and Threlly are in the same band, is that right? Anyone who says something like this hasn't had a nice analogue running next to their Virus. I bet you're looking for endorsments of something? :D

[solid77]

and I must say, that the Virus doesnt touch the vintage analogues when it comes to really thick, tasty bass.
Bolloooooocks."Tweak" my son,"Tweak". :lol:

I just took a listen to Solid77's track here (nice work by the way - specially like your filtering and structure of the high end precussion) and noticd this post from TGND.

TGND: Your post cracked me up! I don't know why I didn't notice it before. You and Threlly are in the same band, is that right? Anyone who says something like this hasn't had a nice analogue running next to their Virus. I bet you're looking for endorsments of something? :D

thx :D

[mnj]

Maybe can you post a small clip so we can listen to the exact sound you might be interested in?


http://www.megaupload.com/?d=20TN7D1J

Whats a good synth for bass like this.. not really deep deep sub bass more punchy i guess.. Analogue or VA.

Is that MonoMachine any good? Looks awsome.. but hard to program?

Girl Next Door.. I and others I'm sure would spend money on a bank of quality bass on the TI that covered bassics/classics.

[Khazul]

Someone posted some demos on KSS recently that included some bass demo done on the evolver that sounded quite punchy, energetic etc.

Just had a look for the post - couldnt find it.

[aisling]

Bit confused by this thread.
How could you NOT get the bass sound you desire from a keyboard of this capability.
Are users just browsing the presets and hoping that tweaking the filter q will do the trick ?
Do any of the 'dance' crowd actually know how to program any more ?

Threlly

The Virus can 'do' bass....all synths can do bass - its just that true analog monosynths do it alot more convincingly.....and since bass is one of those aspects which can sell a million records (well back in the 80's it did)....then I suggest you seriously look into getting a dedicated bass synth. By all means use a virus for bass....but I'd take THESE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkhwLOWt2wk&search=human%20league) type of bass sounds over anything a virus could make....

All subjective opinion at the end of the day :wink:

DS

very cool video, thanks........I did not know that the Human L were around prior to the early 80's :oops: as a trance fan/aspiring compsoser I'm getting pulled back to the NEW WAVE sounds of the 80's as a source of inspiration[/list]

[Timo]

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=20TN7D1J

Where the hell is the download button? lol. Sat there waiting like a pudding for the time to elapse, then...... nothing.

[Threlly]

Please for the makers sake, don't use CRAP like megaupload, the thing is ridden with spyware and adware.
If you want to send files around, use YouSendIt, much simpler, no waiting, only one onscreen ad.

[mnj]

YouSendIt Link: http://s31.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2BX0ZHJ9RH7023670P206THJ6V

[Threlly]

got it instantly

[mnj]

Can virus make bass like THIS?

http://www.ocremix.org/remix/OCR01365/

This was made on a MOTIF..

[mnj]

Re-uploaded incase anyone has any more tips.

http://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0VN86ZB2QFONS3S49UD1RL0YSG