powercore virus?

[aisling]

This is not a whine/rant but.....

I'm starting to wonder (since we all have computers already and using DAW/sequencing software) if the powercore (or 2) plus an Ulimited virus license (allows you to use as many dsp as you have powercores opposed to only 4 voices on 1 dsp with single license) combined with a fat weighted/semi/knoby/slider/d-beam controller or even a virus a/b/c/classic.....

A/D/A is 24 bit 96 with an 828 or such, and on the firewire buss.....

May be a more flexable, expandable, stable, bug free alternative to the T1. And you get all those extra tc-plugins.....

Only kind academic, intellectual, mature, mindfull, socratic responses if possible :wink:

[The girl next door]

This is not a whine/rant but.....

I'm starting to wonder (since we all have computers already and using DAW/sequencing software) if the powercore (or 2) plus an Ulimited virus license (allows you to use as many dsp as you have powercores opposed to only 4 voices on 1 dsp with single license) combined with a fat weighted/semi/knoby/slider/d-beam controller or even a virus a/b/c/classic.....

A/D/A is 24 bit 96 with an 828 or such, and on the firewire buss.....

May be a more flexable, expandable, stable, bug free alternative to the T1. And you get all those extra tc-plugins.....

Only kind academic, intellectual, mature, mindfull, socratic responses if possible :wink:
Are you saying you don't know which one to get??if so then wait out for the OS1.1 you can not compare the Poco Virus to the Ti..
BTW the POCO virus is a B

[ten]

Although I didnt get any myself, lots of people were finding the virus powercore extremly buggy also.

Its 16 voices per dsp btw. And if you didnt know already you cant combine dsps to get monster polyphony with the unlimited licence like some people think. Its just multiple instances of 16. Still not bad.....I prefer my up to 80 poly personally ;)

ten

[aisling]

Although I didnt get any myself, lots of people were finding the virus powercore extremly buggy also.

Its 16 voices per dsp btw. And if you didnt know already you cant combine dsps to get monster polyphony with the unlimited licence like some people think. Its just multiple instances of 16. Still not bad.....I prefer my up to 80 poly personally ;)

ten

I think your point of view is quite convincing. I actually have the single license (found a good price on craigs list), but my computer (g4 800) is to slow to do real time "synth" stuff, so I proccess audio with it. It's a wonderful efx plugin......

On my buddies Imac g5 which is plenty fast, It's been pretty lush and "relativley" bug free (So far i only use 1 voice at a time, but trigger and modulate with my oxegen 8 with no probs)

It got me thinking I could wait out the 1.1 update, while still being creative and enjoying the access sound I'm becoming rather strung out on.......

[aisling]

This is not a whine/rant but.....

I'm starting to wonder (since we all have computers already and using DAW/sequencing software) if the powercore (or 2) plus an Ulimited virus license (allows you to use as many dsp as you have powercores opposed to only 4 voices on 1 dsp with single license) combined with a fat weighted/semi/knoby/slider/d-beam controller or even a virus a/b/c/classic.....

A/D/A is 24 bit 96 with an 828 or such, and on the firewire buss.....

May be a more flexable, expandable, stable, bug free alternative to the T1. And you get all those extra tc-plugins.....

Only kind academic, intellectual, mature, mindfull, socratic responses if possible :wink:
Are you saying you don't know which one to get??if so then wait out for the OS1.1 you can not compare the Poco Virus to the Ti..
BTW the POCO virus is a B

what other synths are you guys using?

[pawelm]

Hi guys,

Just signed up this forum a little while ago. I am back in Virus teritoriy after a long break ;) I have a powercore firewire with the virus and am very happy with it so far. It's just so strange the sound of a virus coming out of your monitors without a black or red light in sight :P

Does anyone know if Access are still updating the virus powercore, and how often they update? Also are they planning any future developments or version of the plugin i.e changing the engine to a C with moog filters??

Thanks

[The girl next door]

Does anyone know if Access are still updating the virus powercore, and how often they update? Also are they planning any future developments or version of the plugin i.e changing the engine to a C with moog filters??

Thanks
Your best bet is to E-mail access and ask,But they have enough on there plate at the moment with the Ti update so if they do update the Virus powercore it might not be 4 a while....

[Tomer=Trance]

if studio based is what your after the powercore virus should be a great alternative,its not TI but its still virus with alot of polyphony and dont forget that great stable VSTi control.

[diy]

dont forget that great stable VSTi control.

As far as I've read in the powercore forums and from a mate who bought poco with virus, it suffers from annoying bugs still being unsolved.

[pawelm]

dont forget that great stable VSTi control.

As far as I've read in the powercore forums and from a mate who bought poco with virus, it suffers from annoying bugs still being unsolved.

Yeh I think most are logic/MAC based.

[The girl next door]

what other synths are you guys using?
We also use Stylus RMX,Trilogy,Atmosphere,Korg Legacy,Z3ta,Minimonsta,Albino2,Blue,Cameleon5000,Octopus,Superwave bundle,Xphraze,CronoX3 VSTis

[aisling]

what other synths are you guys using?
We also use Stylus RMX,Trilogy,Atmosphere,Korg Legacy,Z3ta,Minimonsta,Albino2,Blue,Cameleon5000,Octopus,Superwave bundle,Xphraze,CronoX3 VSTis

Your production is tight.........multi band compression on your final mixes?

[Tarekith]

Mulit-band Compression = dangerous in the wrong hands :)

I do premastering on the side, and I bet I only use a multiband compressor on like 5% or less of the mixes sent to me. You're better off just fixing the mix if it's your own tune to correct the mistake, multiband is primarily for when you don't have that option.

IMVHO of course.

[aisling]

Mulit-band Compression = dangerous in the wrong hands :)

I do premastering on the side, and I bet I only use a multiband compressor on like 5% or less of the mixes sent to me. You're better off just fixing the mix if it's your own tune to correct the mistake, multiband is primarily for when you don't have that option.

IMVHO of course.

Hey thanks for your insight. I always thought multiband comp was a good way to "fatten up the mix" (i'm no mastering engineer, only a wanna be musician/producer)?

[Tarekith]

Actually, most of the time multiband is a good way to 'flatten out the mix', unless you really need to use it and know what you're doing.

The common conception is what you describe, that MBC is a better way to fatten a mix. In reality, it was created primarily to address issues that couldn't be cured with regular compression/limiting.

Another misconception is that the more bands the better, when in reality I bet most professional mastering guys RARELY use more than two bands at once. Typically it's used to tame an unruly bassline or kick, provided of course EQ and the possibility to redo the mix have been explored first.

[aisling]

Actually, most of the time multiband is a good way to 'flatten out the mix', unless you really need to use it and know what you're doing.

The common conception is what you describe, that MBC is a better way to fatten a mix. In reality, it was created primarily to address issues that couldn't be cured with regular compression/limiting.

Another misconception is that the more bands the better, when in reality I bet most professional mastering guys RARELY use more than two bands at once. Typically it's used to tame an unruly bassline or kick, provided of course EQ and the possibility to redo the mix have been explored first.

Wow, You have totally schooled me :D I am humbled to be able to learn something new......just when I thought I "knew it all" :lol: :lol:

[The girl next door]

Your production is tight.........multi band compression on your final mixes?
Yes we use the MD3 mastering tool for the Powercore...Being carefull with the Multiband comp and the Threshold tweaking we don't like to compress the Fuck out of our tracks like most people do these days,....And yeah we know what were doing !!!

[Tarekith]

MD3 is tight, TC know their stuff. MMM..... System 6000, drool.....

[The girl next door]

MD3 is tight, TC know their stuff. MMM..... System 6000, drool.....
Is there a better software Mastering tool??if there is i don't know it :?

[aisling]

MD3 is tight, TC know their stuff. MMM..... System 6000, drool.....


how does that compare to the master x 5? (or really the other way around)........

What is your opinion of the "assimilator" powercore plug in inorder to "study" other artists "final mix".........right, it does something like that, by scanning eq from a track and applying that to your own mix.

I know this quite "preset" in application, but how else can I learn how to master, if not by seeing how other tracks are mastered?

Mastering is something that I am still in elementary stages of. I undestand it in "theory", but my objective musician ears can never get passed certain frequency hang ups.......

[Tarekith]

how does that compare to the master x 5? (or really the other way around)........

What is your opinion of the "assimilator" powercore plug in inorder to "study" other artists "final mix".........right, it does something like that, by scanning eq from a track and applying that to your own mix.

Mastering is something that I am still in elementary stages of. I undestand it in "theory", but my objective musician ears can never get passed certain frequency hang ups.......

I don't remember the x5, sorry. My buddy has a Powercore, I use UAD, and he let me use the M3D a few weeks back.

I think the assimilator and all it's ilk are a waste of time. Steinberg had this same functionality in their Freefilter plug in way back in the day, and I still don't get why people think this will help them. Yes you can apply another songs EQ curve to one of yours, but I've yet to hear it actually make an IMPROVEMENT in the song. So many little things affect it too, I think it's pretty lame to be honest. It might be an ok EQ unit, but just ignore that function is my advice.

You can still learn what the rough curve of a song will be from any spectrum analyser, the freebie Inpspector is a good one for this. Just keep in mind that's only a very braod generalization of what the frequency curve will look like. I have songs that look totally different and sound fantastic. In general, most dance music has that sloping curve down from left to right, low to high in the frecuency range.

[The girl next door]

how does that compare to the master x 5? (or really the other way around)........

What is your opinion of the "assimilator" powercore plug in inorder to "study" other artists "final mix".........right, it does something like that, by scanning eq from a track and applying that to your own mix.

I know this quite "preset" in application, but how else can I learn how to master, if not by seeing how other tracks are mastered?

Mastering is something that I am still in elementary stages of. I undestand it in "theory", but my objective musician ears can never get passed certain frequency hang ups.......
Don't know anything about that Assimilator,just read up on it on the TC site ...
The main thing before you master is making sure the Mix is good..In other words start at the source..
Frequency hang ups you say...Part of the Mix is to make sure that parts in your Sequencer don't Clash,try to separate there Frequencies .If you have 3 Bass sounds running all on the same Frequency it will sound all jumbled up and CRAP.Try to separate the Frequencies without changing the sound of the part,this is not easy...!! But you can shut down alot of unused frequencies on a sound by using EQ...You can see which Frequencies are being used on a part with Tools like "Voxengo-GlissEQ" or "Elemental audio systems-Firium"
This is how we work with Clashing Frequencies..

Mastering is something that I am still in elementary stages of.
It would be nice if someone in the know actually sits down with you and explains how to use a compressor

[The girl next door]

You can still learn what the rough curve of a song will be from any spectrum analyser, the freebie Inpspector is a good one for this. Just keep in mind that's only a very braod generalization of what the frequency curve will look like. I have songs that look totally different and sound fantastic. In general, most dance music has that sloping curve down from left to right, low to high in the frecuency range.
Yes these are the tools i mentioned above..

[aisling]

8) it's been a great day for schoolin, thank everybody for sharring all the wisdom.....

[Tarekith]

Just to reiterate what GND said, if you're talking about mastering your own tunes, you're FAR, FAR better off just worrying about get the right mixdown. If you have a really nice mixdown, the mastering stage is cake, just a bit of limiting to get the volume up some. Seriously, in a well mixed tune, that's all you'll need to do.

Many times you hear about mastering engineers using all these tools (multiband comp, linear EQ, etc), but that's because they can't go back and address any issues with the mixdown most of the time. If you're doing ALL the production, then spend the effort getting the mix to be the best it can be, that will pay offf FAR more than trying to learn about mastering at this stage.

Having someone sit down with you and show you compression is a great idea if possible. It's one of those things you really need to hear done correctly to understand the reasons why to use it (or abuse it).

[The girl next door]

Here are 2 Useful Books you might want to spend your hard earned cash on...

Creative Recording by Paul White ISBN-1-86074-456-7

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1860744567/sr=8-1/qid=1143845861/ref=sr_1_1/002-4705678-1668838?%5Fencoding=UTF8
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The Dance music Manual by Rick Snoman ISBN: 0-240-51915-9

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0240519159/qid=1143845982/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4705678-1668838?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

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Worth the money (I've got um),And better reading on the Bogg than "the Sun" or "the mirror" newspapers :wink:

Also
Recording and Production Techniques by Paul White ISBN: 1-86074-443-5

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1860744435/qid=1143846585/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-4705678-1668838?s=books&v=glance&n=283155

[Tarekith]

And of course "Mastering Audio" by Bob Katz. Even if you're not into the mastering side of things, this book tells you all there is to know about digital audio. What is dBFS, what is dither, when to use it, why 24 bits is better than 16, etc.

[aisling]

The Dance music Manual by Rick Snoman ISBN: 0-240-51915-9 ........

I'm all over this, just ordered one, thanks! and thanks for sugesting all the othe reading pleasurables as well.....