1.1.1 public beta out for download....

[ten]

http://www.access-music.de/downloads.php4?product=virustidesktop#cat18

w00t!

ten

[jasedee]

Good luck with it all you TI users!!!!

:)

[mr.e]

let us know asap about your experience

[Threlly]

Aaaaaaaargh, Universal binary....later in the year........AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH

[MADSTATION]

Awesome!
Looking forward to read a few user reviews :)

[grs]

Well, it's downloading now, lets see how she goes.

[nailgun23]

I predict a lul in the converstion for the next few hours, days, something, something......
YES (better than a new phone book)
cheers, Nailgun

[Threlly]

Access have probably programmed all the TI's to explode, thus ending ALL dissent.

[soundsubs]

remote mode works! knobs are intelligently mapped fc to fc for example--- this is a huge one for me--- to things like Oddity, Polysix, and others. surprised they didnt do the arturia minimoog too, but thats easily fixed.

cant hear the limiters, i guess thats the idea, right!

damn, sure is nicer and smoother operating with Sonar (starts fast, loads patches fast, ready to go!)

everything seems nice and solid. more reports to come!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ten]

Yes, running very well here. No pops or farts as of yet. Seems a lot more responsive and stable also, enjoyable to use in multimode even!

thumbs up access

ten

[Guzzy]

This is so fun!, everything work so far, no tone delay, and arps in sync in Cubase :D [testing 1.1] (http://home.online.no/~gosather/virus/first11.mp3)

nonono :oops: , after I wrote this message, the Virus hangs, and new mp3 (http://home.online.no/~gosather/virus/failuresound.mp3) for Hollowcell

but now I'm enjoying this upgrade

23:33 Second Crash/hang same tone, damn, restart OK

[MADSTATION]

Only played with the update for 45min but so far I'm VERY impressed.
The timing is perfect and it's a lot of fun to use.

[mr.e]

to the guys that are saying it works great and timing is great..is this with the usb connection?

just wondering....
the plan to buy the ti is starting to make sense to me ...I hope ;)

[Guzzy]

to the guys that are saying it works great and timing is great..is this with the usb connection?

just wondering....
the plan to buy the ti is starting to make sense to me ...I hope ;)

Yes, perfect sync when I use the "USB1 L+R port"
But I can't find the 112 additional multi programs...hmm
Tested the Remote function on the Korg MS-20 plugin, working fine
A little thing: "shift + patch volume"-knob don't visualy adjust the patch volum in the VC, shall it?

[Rudy]

In Live 5.2 TI is working fine as well. No hanging notes arps are working great. Just onece vc hanged while opening. Presets were in but I couldnt change them as there were no visible (no preset names in vc) but they were tweakable, strange...
apart from that and that 112 multis I agree its great update :)

[MADSTATION]

mr.e: yes using Virus Control over USB.


Rudy: Yeah I had VC hanging once while opening as well.

[Doc Jones]

oh my, glad I didn't see this post until now (or I would have immediately had to leave work with a sudden illness ;)

downloading now

[Hollowcell]

Looking pretty good except for Guzzy's few glitches.
My fingers are crossed for you guys!

[Keith Phillips]

Come on Hollowcell, what you got in store for us with this new crash noise?

You should make a commemorative track called "Fuck the Noize" using the wonderful 'Fuck You Motherfuckers' "chorus" from your previous demos. :)

[grs]

cant hear the limiters, i guess thats the idea, right!



I thought that was a settable option but I cant find it yet.

[waketek]

Very nice! Things are starting to look a lot better and sound a lot better when using in TI mode. With this being very early in the Beta I have only been playing with it for an hour or so but it looks like the guys at Access are finally making head way and soon our updates will just be the occational improvement and additional features..... Awsome!

[Keith Phillips]

I think it is good news and a move forward myself.

I've been sitting here for a long time debating getting the TI ever since the delays way back when, and it finally got released and I passed it up. I saw the bugs and what not and waited a bit to see how things shaped up before committing to it.

I was getting really close to picking up an Andromeda instead but seeing the 1.1 coming out very soon is steering me back into Virus land. :)

[Hollowcell]

Come on Hollowcell, what you got in store for us with this new crash noise?

You should make a commemorative track called "Fuck the Noize" using the wonderful 'Fuck You Motherfuckers' "chorus" from your previous demos. :)

The latest MP3 Guzzy has there has heaps of possiblilties actually.
You may be on to something there Keith! :D

Really though, I do hope the latest fixes give some pleasure for TI users.
C'mon Access!

[nutekk]

yea!
1.1 is working great in nuendo and live for me.Worked it for about 5 hours
and only a few glitches from the "TI".vERY usable and it sounds fantastic.
1.1 is the first step out of the shadow for the TI.
NICE!

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Ah thats great to hear....the new OS is a big step in the right direction. Its interesting how happier users are percieving their virus to actually sound better :wink: Is this a figment of peoples imagination (because they're now in a better mood state) or have there really been some changes that makes the virus sound 'better' ?

DS

[ten]

I am sure there is something going on with the sound, maybe its that soft-limiting they have implemented but it does sound smoother and nicer, maybe its tighter clocking somewhere?? its definately not just placebo though. Very cool

ten

[grs]

I am sure there is something going on with the sound, maybe its that soft-limiting they have implemented but it does sound smoother and nicer, maybe its tighter clocking somewhere?? its definitely not just placebo though. Very cool

ten

Agreed. At first I thought some patch parameters were different when opening a current project started in 1.09. Researched that for a while, then after a bit of re-eq re-mix I could hear some cleaner, less brittle results.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

maybe theres less jitter going on inside the virus now?

shit...I think im thinking in hifi terms :lol:

DS

[samidi]

I've seen on Access web site that everybody can't report a bug about 1.1 Public Beta.

Here is the link : http://www.access-music.de/betamailsupportform.php4

[soundsubs]

...but FREEZE still isnt working in Sonar!

is it working in other hosts?

[Threlly]

Aaaaah !


Clicks


Pops


Speaker bursting Satan Saws


All on 1.1beta


Ho-Hum

[Timo]

Really? Any more info?

[Threlly]

Well, I updated it via the UB updater for the Intel Mac.
All events are generally random, the Satan can happen during a patch change, or after playing it for several minutes.
Crackles and pops vary from patch to patch, also seem to appear at random intervals while playing patches.

This is with the USB cable in, but being played via a master keyboard into its own midi ports, with the audio from outputs 1 & 2.
No change if I remove the USB cable.
No VC or software installed on the Mac as its an Intel based one.

All in all, it seems less stable than v1.09, so I might as well go back to that.

[TOTAL]

Aaaaah !


Speaker bursting Satan Saws


All on 1.1beta



Does anyone know if this "soft limiting" implemented in 1.1b a sure protection against burning amp or speakers?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Does the soft limiting feature mean that the virus will auto shut off or reduce volume in the event of a nasty spike (i.e. satan saw)? So in effect you will no longer get load thuds or pops?

Would this negate the need for a hard limiter in your audio chain?>

DS

[bishopkris40]

Would this negate the need for a hard limiter in your audio chain?>

DS

Nah, I'm sure I saw somewhere(been reading mails on update all night) that they still suggest that you have some sort of limiter in you set up, personally I don't but then probably when I can afford good speakers you'll see my crying about blowing them :shock: :lol:

Cheers
Kris

[Hollowcell]

Well, I updated it via the UB updater for the Intel Mac.
All events are generally random, the Satan can happen during a patch change, or after playing it for several minutes.
Crackles and pops vary from patch to patch, also seem to appear at random intervals while playing patches.

This is with the USB cable in, but being played via a master keyboard into its own midi ports, with the audio from outputs 1 & 2.
No change if I remove the USB cable.
No VC or software installed on the Mac as its an Intel based one.

All in all, it seems less stable than v1.09, so I might as well go back to that.

Doesn't sound like happy news for you there Threlly! :shock:

Anyone else having this kind of trouble?

Also regarding the "soft limiter" that a few people have mentioned. This is a switchable option though right? I mean they haven't just changed the "virus" sound completely have they? Remember what happened with the Nord lead3s afterall....

[Khazul]

Does the soft limiting feature mean that the virus will auto shut off or reduce volume in the event of a nasty spike (i.e. satan saw)? So in effect you will no longer get load thuds or pops?

Would this negate the need for a hard limiter in your audio chain?>

DS

Its soft clipping - what soft clipping does is to effectively re-shap wave that would have been digitally clipped so that where the waveform would have been just cut off, instead it gets rounded leading and trailing edges (basic methods only clip the leading edge - no idea what the TI does) - this is basically enough to stop all the nasty harmonics and clicks from digital clipping.

Where these extra harmonics become a real problem dfor direct driven speaker is all this extra energy can be a few dB *above* the theortical maximum output level (analog line resonanace etc...)

The clipper It does not *normally* reduce the average signal level in the way a limiter does. Also, when an audio engine crashes but the DAcs are still pumping out sounds - then typically you get digital random crap spewed out the DACs with no processing whatsoever - ie no soft clip in this case (at least I would not expect so).

There are some soft clip methods that are based upon compresion rather than usual wave shaping, but they dont generally behave like normal limiters or compressors either.


No help in saying what to do - I know - but maybe you uderstand batter what is going on. A limiter will help *if* the limiter is set to -3dBfs or so. leaving it at 0dBfs is useless.

[dizz1]

Yep min estill pops and clicks in ableton 5.2 on a powerbook 1ghz on OSX 10.3.9 playing the demo song at 256 or 512 latency setting...
Crap sandwich!
Does anyone know the email to get in touch about the beta?
Is it the same as the support address on their website?
Cheers
D

[Rudy]

I had some cliks and pops no satan saw so far lakily. VC cant load properly very often. What is more virus diods are flashing and stop flashing very fast. It happen sometimes. Does it happen to anyone??
It happens to me since I got my TI. I thought it was OS fault. Hopefully its not the hardware :?
On the other hand when VC is loaded it seems to be more stabile for me.
I work with Ableton Live 5.2.

cheers

Rudy

[TOTAL]

Soft-clipping vs brickwall - now I understand, thanks. Bad news, though.

But why not a good software limiter? Actually nobody has said that here, but I have come across such advice: hardware limiter, also a dedicated synth amp rather than commercial. I hope it's bullshit.


_______________________
siema Rudy, jaktam 5.2?

[Khazul]

Generally the only way you are going top trash a pair of studio monitors is if the line level out of the TI is going to go into you studio monitors un-attenuated - and thats assuming the gain control on the back of the monitors (if any) is also at -3dBfs or above, and that the monitors either have no limiter, or its not a full band limiter (for eg only protecting the bass drive unit).

If you can trash the monitors under other circumstances, then the chances are you were going to trash them one day anyway.

Personally I would *NEVER* stick my monitors directly into any digitally controlled synth (or quite alot of digital outboard) - so many of them have digital volume controls that can get reset to full level via a MIDI CC or some other means not directly under phsyical user control.

The only things I would plumb them into are devices where there is no way in hell anything other than me has control of the output level into the monitors. If you dont have that - then buy decent quality but cheap and minimal mixer or a monitor control box so that you have a hard gain control in line. (If you have golden ears and can tell the difference - go have a winge at whoever made it - they will probably hire you :))

If you take control of gain staging to your monitors back into your own hands - then no way in hell you can blow them up from raw line level digital crap somewhere in your system - unless you also do something stupid - for eg maxing master volume because your gain staging was hosed.

Also if you monitors have a gain trim on the back - can be worth dropping it down a little bit - to at least -3dBfs - thats generally enough to protect most from raw crap at max line levels from a digital source. It also helps to protect for all the usual studio mishaps - mics left on, forgetting to zero the levels on guitars when done with them, forgetting to zero master monitoring levels before messing with a patch bay etc...

Some things about the new software world encourage a complete lack of old-school studio discipline that came about to safe guard gear (usually when some poor bastard had blown the hell out of something rare and expensive :)) - worth picking up some of those habits at least as even in the purest of software environments, you still have some hardware in the form of your monitoring chain... If nothing else - get into the habit of sensible gain staging and zeroing levels of unsused gear or before messing with audio connections (or powering gear on/off).

[grs]

Generally the only way you are going top trash a pair of studio monitors is if the line level out of the TI is going to go into you studio monitors un-attenuated - and thats assuming the gain control on the back of the monitors (if any) is also at -3dBfs or above, and that the monitors either have no limiter, or its not a full band limiter (for eg only protecting the bass drive unit).

If you can trash the monitors under other circumstances, then the chances are you were going to trash them one day anyway.

Personally I would *NEVER* stick my monitors directly into any digitally controlled synth (or quite alot of digital outboard) - so many of them have digital volume controls that can get reset to full level via a MIDI CC or some other means not directly under phsyical user control.

The only things I would plumb them into are devices where there is no way in hell anything other than me has control of the output level into the monitors. If you dont have that - then buy decent quality but cheap and minimal mixer or a monitor control box so that you have a hard gain control in line. (If you have golden ears and can tell the difference - go have a winge at whoever made it - they will probably hire you :))

If you take control of gain staging to your monitors back into your own hands - then no way in hell you can blow them up from raw line level digital crap somewhere in your system - unless you also do something stupid - for eg maxing master volume because your gain staging was hosed.

Also if you monitors have a gain trim on the back - can be worth dropping it down a little bit - to at least -3dBfs - thats generally enough to protect most from raw crap at max line levels from a digital source. It also helps to protect for all the usual studio mishaps - mics left on, forgetting to zero the levels on guitars when done with them, forgetting to zero master monitoring levels before messing with a patch bay etc...

Some things about the new software world encourage a complete lack of old-school studio discipline that came about to safe guard gear (usually when some poor bastard had blown the hell out of something rare and expensive :)) - worth picking up some of those habits at least as even in the purest of software environments, you still have some hardware in the form of your monitoring chain... If nothing else - get into the habit of sensible gain staging and zeroing levels of unsused gear or before messing with audio connections (or powering gear on/off).

well said there mate. I have my studio setup so my mix is always hitting my amp at 100% like a cd level. My amp volume is my master level for listening.

[Threlly]

I filled in the Beta response form on the Access site.

Access are now saying I have a hardware fault and that I should return the unit for warranty repair.

This is the case even though it was quite well behaved under 1.09, better behaved than some other units on this forum.

I'm nearly at the end of the game here, I've paid out for the thing, done the updates etc, and now its a hardware fault !!!!

That Korg Radias is looking tempting......

[jonbon]

I have lots of problems to, but then i realise that it is still the 2.6.2 driver that is being installed..

In the ableton tutorial it says "virus ti asio 2.7.2" on one of the pages.. What the hell? Anybody else see the same thing? I have uninstalled\reinstalled and so on.

BTW, today I popped my satansaw cherry..!
Three times in 15 minutes :wink:

[jonbon]

Threlly, do you also use ableton live 5.2?

The TI 1.1.1 is basically unworkable for me in live now, much more stable in 109, but imported the midiloop and drums to cubase sx, and woa presto, not a single glitch..?

Strange stuff.

[Threlly]

I'm on an Intel Mac now, so I cant use the driver, VC or Midi via USB.
All my problems are in standalone mode.

Don't get me wrong, its a great synth, but it doesn't work, and I'm not letting ?1200 become a paperweight.

I wouldn't have these issues with a Radias, Nord or Novation.

What I would lose in flexibility I would gain in reliability.

enoughs enough.

Anybody got a good swap for a mint Desktop TI ?

[TOTAL]

Khazul, I don't quite understand what you say, except that direct connection to ti card is dangerous for amp or monitors and that vst limiters are not to be fully trusted here, and that the output level must be strictly controlled.

what about just an audiocard like audiophile - would it act the same way as a hw mixer, eg protect the amp?

[Khazul]

Perhaps - but as far as I am personally concerned - unless the thing has a real hardware volume control that cant be messed with via software - I wouldnt trust it.

[ledge]

Yep min estill pops and clicks in ableton 5.2 on a powerbook 1ghz on OSX 10.3.9 playing the demo song at 256 or 512 latency setting...
Crap sandwich!
Does anyone know the email to get in touch about the beta?
Is it the same as the support address on their website?
Cheers
D

10.3.9 is the weak link here at a guess

[TOTAL]

IC. Thanks

[mw7]

Aaaaah !


Clicks


Pops


Speaker bursting Satan Saws


All on 1.1beta


Ho-Hum

Same here. Bad. Very Bad. Back to 1.0.9 for me.

[dizz1]

Yeah thats what they told me too.
Now its basically OSX 10.4.6 or the highway...
Ahhhhh well...
D

[TOTAL]

clicks here too. and hung notes in exactly the same places of the project as before. at least in vc mode.

arp seems to play more precisely, but the virus sounds as if put through a cubase's grungelizer.

not getting back to hotfix until exporting a project. think I might try 1.08 too. never did that.

[Hollowcell]

I'm really sorry to hear the bad news guys!

So many people were so hopeful for 1.1 as well. :cry:

[Khazul]

If the amphea list and my experience is anything to go by - 1.1.1 seems to have sorted out nealy all issues for alot of people...

Wierd that some are getting major issues when its stand-alone though.

One thing they may help - pwer off and use arp-exit to power it on again. In theiry this shouldnt do much a reset does seem to be recommended after the OS update.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Personally I think it might be a good idea for Access to....

Concentrate on getting the Virus D up and running 100% in standalone mode and to make sure that all the powerful synth engine features can be accessed via the hardware. I know this might seem like a step backwards...but really, they need to make sure the Virus is 100% operational in 'basic mode'. I find it odd how people are having problems in standalone mode.....it suggests to me that its so fucking buggy that it might be fundementally flawed. A hardware fault you say....but surely digital components either work or they fail? If a component had failed you'd probably know about it....I cant see how these intermittent issues occur :(

Then.....

For those who wish to persevere with the TI aspect....then perhaps Access could just carry on releasing OS updates...and perhaps over time they will get things fixed. My only concern is that computers, configurations, hardware is always changing....and I sometimes feel (as the TI OS saga has alluded) that its a battle that can never be won.

I used to play a computer game called Populus 3.....billiant Windows 98 game! So you can imagine my disapointment when I tried to install it on XP......the fucker wouldnt work. This highlights my final point......the USP is the TI aspect....but christ....there will come a time when it wont be updated and hence you'll no longer be able to run it on your lastest DAW. Does anyone here feel weary of this? That alot of the TI's features may, at some point, no longer be accessed unless you have a compatitible computer?

Why doesnt Access design and build they're own hardware computing interface that 100% works with the TI?

DS

[Khazul]

DS - Yes - and not just with the TI either - my console (mixer+audio interface) as well.

At least everything else with a USB interface on it is just needs a stanard USB midi or USB hard drive driver...

[mw7]

Personally I think it might be a good idea for Access to....

Concentrate on getting the Virus D up and running 100% in standalone mode and to make sure that all the powerful synth engine features can be accessed via the hardware.

Yep, totally agree. In retrospect, this is what they should've done from the start.

I know nothing about Access as a company, and I've never been able to find out anything from their website. But the concern is that with all of these woes, this TI fiasco could bankrupt the company.

[Khazul]

One thing I still dont get with many of the TI users - who the hell buys a synth purely on integration functionality?

Do people not choose a synth for the sounds they can create with it?

For me sound is by far #1, and yes convenience of editing/tweaking/patch management etc is important (hence my lack of vintage gear), but still unless I *really* like the sound, then an expensive synth is a no go...

Maybe thats why I have never been that upset about TI problems - a Virus D was all I wanted anyway. And actually, I wish the TI had carried over the lost C features - internal bus particularly and the slighly more flexible fx out routing.

Also I guess they way I tend to use synths in my studio is closer to the way many people use them live than the way many seem to use them in a studio, and so the TI aspect can actually be more of a hinderance than a help.

If Im honest - I prefer the Korg radias approach - excellent flexibility of control MIDI and USB and a good MIDI only editor.

[Keith Phillips]

I used to play a computer game called Populus 3.....billiant Windows 98 game! So you can imagine my disapointment when I tried to install it on XP......the fucker wouldnt work.

I used to play this too. :) That game was bad ass. There is a patch that lets it run on XP... *hint hint*

http://www.populousrevolution.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/downloads/downloads.html

[Keith Phillips]

What really gets me is that people are having so many problems without USB and without the VC plugin, even with 1.1 that is terrible. :(

So I reckon a bunch of you wouldn't actually recommend a TI at this point? I was playing tossup between the A6 and the TI and leaning to A6 and just pick up a desktop Virus C or something later, or a TI desktop a long way down the road if the bugs get all ironed out.

How good is the TI over the C in your opinion if the TI aspect is completely taken out of the picture? What is this about internal bus and effects routing better on the C? Any detail?

[F5D]

Personally I think it might be a good idea for Access to....

Concentrate on getting the Virus D up and running 100% in standalone mode and to make sure that all the powerful synth engine features can be accessed via the hardware.
I totally agree. The synth should work without any major bugs in normal mode. If it doesn't, access shouldn't sell it yet.

edit. The software integration should be just an option. All the functions should be accessible from the synth.

[mw7]

What really gets me is that people are having so many problems without USB and without the VC plugin, even with 1.1 that is terrible. :(

So I reckon a bunch of you wouldn't actually recommend a TI at this point?

I wish I could recommend the TI, but I can't, unless you're just planning to use it in single mode via ol' fashioned MIDI cables. Running in sequencer mode and multi mode my Polar has issues. I haven't had arp timing problems, but I get nasty crashes that may be occurring when I have multiple arps running on multiple parts simultaneously.

I may simply have a faulty unit - I don't know. I am weary of being a beta tester for Access. I'd throw the damn thing out the window if it wasn't the best-sounding synth I've ever played.

[Threlly]

My desktop TI is going back to the dealers, while I was discussing the whole debarcle with the engineer, he mentioned an interesting thing.

He said that numerous TI's had gone back to Access in Germany because of a batch of faulty DSP chips.
It seems they had appeared to test ok, but had not remained in spec after a few hours use.
True or not, it might explain a few things.

[TOTAL]

My desktop TI is going back to the dealers, while I was discussing the whole debarcle with the engineer, he mentioned an interesting thing.

He said that numerous TI's had gone back to Access in Germany because of a batch of faulty DSP chips.
It seems they had appeared to test ok, but had not remained in spec after a few hours use.
True or not, it might explain a few things.

Could you please give a detailed description of the faults which made your TI stand out?

I mean how did they know your TI had faulty DSP?

[diy]

You may listen to many sci-fi stories from distributors, I havent bought a processor yet which appears to be faulty in the meantime.Maybe I'm wrong....

[Threlly]

Well, after emailing Access with the beta form, they replied very quickly and without any further questioning directed me to send it back for repair in warranty.

I think the clincher was that all my issues where in standalone mode.

I have described the faults elswhere.

If you read my post, I made it clear it was the engineer at the dealers NOT ACCESS that said it may be a faulty DSP.

The engineer obviously has some experience because they had sent back multiple units to Access with the same or similar issues.

I imagine Access do not want the public to think they are sending out faulty units, so they have been (as usual) schtumm on the whole matter.

[mw7]

Well, after emailing Access with the beta form, they replied very quickly and without any further questioning directed me to send it back for repair in warranty.

I think the clincher was that all my issues where in standalone mode.


Same here, and I've sent in the beta form, but not heard back from them.

Did they suggest you send it to them (Access) directly, or to the retailer that you purchased the TI from?

[Threlly]

Via the dealer

[blay]

hmm interesting...

could become expensive for Access.

cheers

Blay

[ION]

@Threlly
Interesting because the same happened to me after I bought my TI, just opened the box, plug it and discovered terrible noizes on the outputs...instantly ACCESS technical support told me to send it back via the shop warranty.
The shop told me they will replace it very quickly...that was a month and a half ago...cross my fingers to get a new one by the end of the month now that OS1.1 has been released.

[Threlly]

Its interesting that mine did not begin that way, but gradually got worse over a period of a month or so.
Installing the 1.1beta made it give up the ghost.
I re-installed the 1.09 update and that did not return it to its previous fairly stable condition.
Ergo, something must have degraded/slipped in the hardware side.

If intel could manage to ship several hundred thousand Pentium chips with a floating point unit fault, theres no reason Motorola couldn't.

The other side of this is, how many units are out there with possibly dodgy DSP chips that Access are not telling us about.
Presumably they know what batches went into what unit.

Anybody else have issues that could not be firmware alone ?

[Timo]

Damn, sounds like a recall might be called for!? :shock:

[Merlot]

Everything works like a charm here. Seems the Main out volumes have been boosted. TI comes in alot louder than the last one I had. Migh have just been the faulty unit though.

[host]

If I were still thinking of getting a new TI I would try to find out with what serial numbers are currently new units being produced and then buy a new one later this year with number that pretty much guarantees me that it just came out of the factory :idea:

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I used to play a computer game called Populus 3.....billiant Windows 98 game! So you can imagine my disapointment when I tried to install it on XP......the fucker wouldnt work.

I used to play this too. :) That game was bad ass. There is a patch that lets it run on XP... *hint hint*

http://www.populousrevolution.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/downloads/downloads.html

OMFG it WORKS!!!!!!

LOL last time i played this game was in around 1998 on a PII 266mhz computer.....lets just say the windmill thingies on the huts spin ALOT faster now....

Great game...

Cheers man you've made my day

DS

[MADSTATION]

OS 1.1 has been a life saver for me. Sync is perfect, VC is rock solid and I can finally get some tunes done with the TI.

Really impressed to say the least.

[nvisibl]

Is 1.1 a Bug fix release completely or are there any new features?
Been looking for a readme on their site, cant find any.

My Polar has been stable enough since the day I bought it, using it in midi mode right enough. I dont do VST type thingies anyway so suits me fine.

Not sure that i'll upgrade to 1.1 unless new features, absolutely necessary, or the upgrade goes from Beta to full release.

[ledge]

Is 1.1 a Bug fix release completely or are there any new features?
Been looking for a readme on their site, cant find any.

My Polar has been stable enough since the day I bought it, using it in midi mode right enough. I dont do VST type thingies anyway so suits me fine.

Not sure that i'll upgrade to 1.1 unless new features, absolutely necessary, or the upgrade goes from Beta to full release.

remote mode, but if you don't use vsts then that won't matter. Also I think you can now search in the patch browser, but again if you don't use the usb connection that doesn't matter.

oh, and there is now a soft limiter included I think.

[TOTAL]

where do you access the limiter options? can't find in TFM

[diy]

I dont think limiter has options in 1,1 like threshold. Seems like only a soft clipping algorithm .

[Onkel Dunkel]

I used to play a computer game called Populus 3.....billiant Windows 98 game! So you can imagine my disapointment when I tried to install it on XP......the fucker wouldnt work.

I used to play this too. :) That game was bad ass. There is a patch that lets it run on XP... *hint hint*

http://www.populousrevolution.strategyplanet.gamespy.com/downloads/downloads.html

I could only get the populous 3 demo to work but hey, this is a great game :D Why haven?t i tried this before? I?ve heard the name a million times. Just never actually tried it. Thanx :D

[Timo]

I dont think limiter has options in 1,1 like threshold. Seems like only a soft clipping algorithm .

Is this 'soft-limiting' merely to tame the Satan Saw if/when it comes along?

[MADSTATION]

Timo: I don't think so, this feature was advertised initially on the TI range of products.

[TOTAL]

they could include hard limiter instead.

this would make the ti safe for monitors.

[ledge]

they could include hard limiter instead.

this would make the ti safe for monitors.

That would be pretty difficult to do via an os upgrade :)

[ledge]

I dont think limiter has options in 1,1 like threshold. Seems like only a soft clipping algorithm .

Is this 'soft-limiting' merely to tame the Satan Saw if/when it comes along?

seeing as the satan saw will be being caused by a crash of the OS causing the DSP to produce gabarge output, no as when the OS crashes the soft limiter being part of the OS will be gone as well.

[Khazul]

The soft-clip was allways an advertised featured of the TI - see the blurb on the Access web site about the TI.

The purpose was to tame the digital clipping common on most digital synths when you run a patch slightly too hot, particularly if tweaking the filters.

[TOTAL]

I dont think limiter has options in 1,1 like threshold. Seems like only a soft clipping algorithm .

Is this 'soft-limiting' merely to tame the Satan Saw if/when it comes along?

seeing as the satan saw will be being caused by a crash of the OS causing the DSP to produce gabarge output, no as when the OS crashes the soft limiter being part of the OS will be gone as well.

I assume satan will go forever. the hard limiter would protect mnitors against >0dB

[mw7]

The other side of this is, how many units are out there with possibly dodgy DSP chips that Access are not telling us about.

A fellow who works for Access in the US, doing technical support, actually came to my house last night (true) to observe my Polar exhibiting lockups, satan saw, etc., while running 1.1.1. Over the course of about 30 minutes he was able to witness many of the ailments that plague some TI owners, particularly those of us with units where 1.1.1 made the problems worse, and not better. He reloaded the OS with his own laptop, but the problems remained.

For what it's worth, he investigated all kinds of things while the Polar was malfunctioning, and came to the conclusion that the problems were not DSP-related. That being said, he concluded that my instrument was indeed faulty, and Access is going to try replacing the mainboard at no cost to me.

This fellow from Access assured me that the company was absolutely positively committed to satisfying all customers with lingering issues that could be hardware related. While he's based in Chicago, where I live, I was impressed by his willingness to battle nasty traffic for an hour to do a "house call" and personally spend time with me and my Polar.

[soundsubs]

if this is true, this is amazing customer service. kudos to access, and this gentleman in particular!

[Threlly]

Excellent, I hope you get sorted.

Sadly, we are unlikely to see that sort of service in Blighty.

[mr.e]

wow amazing stuff sounds like they got some good service in the u.s.

[Merlot]

wow amazing stuff sounds like they got some good service in the u.s.

Yes they do! I got my TI desktop replaced, no questions asked when the thing wasn't even powering up. Recieved a brand spanking new one about a week later. Now that is good customer service.

[Doc Jones]

pretty cool.

[TOTAL]

yeah. lucky ones

[F5D]

I might even consider purchasing a Virus TI (maybe keyb) if access gets the synth working well and gets the quality issues under control. I wouldn't use the usb connection at all so that doesn't matter so much for me but the synth must work without the boot up problem and any crashes in normal use (single mode, multi mode, heavy patch editing etc.). None of my current synths crash altough they would be turned on for days.

I guess it's alot harder to get a synth working with usb and computer software plugin than it would be to make the synth's os working well first. Anyway, I want a synth which doesn't depend on computer. I sold my Nord modular because it couldn't be used without a computer software.

I guess it's impossible to make the usb + software to work with every possible computer but it seems that access are very close to satisfy most of the users. So let's hope they will fix the synth's os next that at least people who don't want to use the usb could enjoy the synth without bugs. :idea:

[Sleepwalker]

My Ti started to play by it self today!!! Thats freaky! os beta 1.1

Its been on since yesterday, and it sits here besides my computer. I was just checking the mail, when it sudenly, out of nothing got a stuck note-on! Its happened before though, but not by itself!!!!!!! :shock:

Theres something crazy going on, or I might have a ghost in the apartment! ;-)

[Rudy]

Hi guys!

I expirienced strange bug in TI today.

Can you please check if it happens in your viruses as well.

guide:

1. choose which ever preset might be rom or ram library.
2.Turn the arp on and hold on the arp
3.Change the osc 1 or 2 mode to whiche ever hyper saw or classic just turn knob few times

The first note pressed is hanged and cant be hanged out. When I press another on it plays it ok and knobs are responcing to another one. Just first note is hanged 'forever'. The only knob that works is volume and tempo. When I change to multimode it plays with increased tempo as there is higher one. When I press shift + reliese, tempo of hanged arp note is changing normally.
Moreover I can do it multiple times tried 4 so far. When I change a preset I can hang it as well so it works just like multi but cant change the parts :]

cheers

Rudy

[soundsubs]

wow, you are correct. i can confirm that this happens on my TI Polar, 1.1beta also. in fact, all the notes are held indefinitely, even a panic doesnt work.

and btw, i think panic should certainly override everything.

[Merlot]

will try when i get home, but you should definintely report this to Access if you haven't already done so.

[blay]

I rang the store where I purchased my TI today, and detailed the issues I have been having using 1.1, in both standalone and USB capacities. They have organised for me to meet with the AUS distributor next week, and it seems they may replace the unit.

Will let you all know how I go..

cheers

Blay

[Guzzy]

My Ti started to play by it self today!!! Thats freaky! os beta 1.1...

Same here, after a walk with my dog, when I came back the P?lar was playing a arp sound (1.09) :lol:

----
Tomorrow 17.06, 5 nice ladies are coming to my studio and sing for fun, have finnished the songs (without using the P?lar), borrowed a AKG A-51 mickrofon, and now I must do some dust cleaning here.

[Sleepwalker]

My Ti started to play by it self today!!! Thats freaky! os beta 1.1...

Same here, after a walk with my dog, when I came back the P?lar was playing a arp sound (1.09) :lol:

Shiit maan, it woke me up to day, no kidding!! Good thing it was an ambient padish wavetable spacy preset, hahah!

Well, I had to wake up by then, or id sleep the whole day, so I was happy! :lol:

[MADSTATION]

I had the same bug too...
I was preparing lunch when the TI started playing a sound by itself(1.1). It was within Cubase but it was set to STOP.

[Rudy]

I reported to access the bug I have. My TI havn't play by itself so far :lol:
Have anyone expierinced flashing all diods (not only the lfo, osc or bpm ) I have it every time I use sequencer mode. It happens from time to time not continously,it looks like virus was turned of and on very fast. Access support claims it is common issue and their r&d is figuring it out . Enyone expirienced this???

cheers

Rudy

[TOTAL]

Hi guys!

I expirienced strange bug in TI today.

Can you please check if it happens in your viruses as well.

guide:

1. choose which ever preset might be rom or ram library.
2.Turn the arp on and hold on the arp
3.Change the osc 1 or 2 mode to whiche ever hyper saw or classic just turn knob few times

The first note pressed is hanged and cant be hanged out. When I press another on it plays it ok and knobs are responcing to another one. Just first note is hanged 'forever'. The only knob that works is volume and tempo. When I change to multimode it plays with increased tempo as there is higher one. When I press shift + reliese, tempo of hanged arp note is changing normally.
Moreover I can do it multiple times tried 4 so far. When I change a preset I can hang it as well so it works just like multi but cant change the parts :]

cheers

Rudy

Managed to do the same.

[Arksun]

Ok, a brand new TI user here, had the synth for just a few days now.

Have posted on another Virus board but may as well post here too.

All this reading scares me :/ , as I really don't want the hassle of returning my unit as well.

Yup, I also find USB unuseable and standalone mode satan saws creep in from time to time.

Running in solo mode on a heavy hypersaw presets, a few little clicks n crackles may creep in over time but they're fairly light.

However switching to multi mode, even just having two presets running simultaneously can start to cause some horrendous sound glitches, as this continues it seems to affect the whole synths stability.

Again this seems to be fairly specific to presets using Hypersaw waves. Anyone else here noticing this, that your problems are much amplified using combinations of those type of presets?

I've submitted my problem to the beta reporting page, fingers crossed they get back to me.

*EDIT* They replied pretty quick!, I've just emailed them back with an mp3 example of the audio issues, lets see what happens next :)

Arksun

[rapidfire]

Hi, folks!!

Do anyone know what really is the problem with the TI?

I mean, all of my friends and pro producers I know who got the TI (desktop as keyboard version!) got exactly the same problem(s)!!

1. The synth hangs up regularly in standalone mode as well as plugin
mode ( via sequencer).

2. We are all experiencing cracles/pops/ missing notes after using only 4
parts in usb/ plugin mode.

3. We are all also struggling with hiss within the patches when using
reverb and the onboard EQ extensively. This hiss is not present in
standalone operation.

The funny thing is, that this seems to be an obvious problem for trance musicians only!!
All other producers/ friends that make other genres of music seems not to know anything of this particular issue at all, which to me seems logical.
Logical because their patches/ sounds ain't that edgy/ sharp and that harshed EQ processed.
That including extensive use of delay & reverb seems to enhance this problem immensely!!!!! Just try it out for your selves!

Another interesting fact is that trance producers also get cracles/ hangs and missing notes ( problem with attack and release on notes/ missing parts in the song etc) only using 4 parts....
Now why is that I asked myself....

Well, that is quite easy to understand...
We are using the reverb and the delay sections to the most on our patches, also basses got unique and complex delay settings, consuming much power etc, and that's the answer why we can get only 4 parts going flawlessly before the trouble kicks in for full!!

I have also been waiting on this 1.1 release, and have finally tried it out....
Well, nothing much to say, but the same story or tune if you want, just keeps repeating itself....that means cracles and no more than 4 parts in USB mode or trouble is introduced as before.

To be honest I don't actually know what to say or do anymore.
This is tragic, and I just don't believe my synthesizer with control plugin will ever get right, if it ain't gotten any better than this after all these months....
I purched my TI keyboard in November 2005.....Do you see my picture here....trance producers or not..?

What do you fine people suggest I do from here...?

[Arksun]

Count yourself lucky reaching 4 parts in USB mode. Mine goes crackle crazy with 3 parts, using only analogue outs + midi in (USB completely disconnected).

I eagerly await to hear Access response to my last email which included an mp3 highlighting the issues (even in solo mode with first 3 examples).

You can also listen to it here:

http://www.arksunmusic.com/music/virus_issues.mp3

I'm on the TI Keyboard and the part that is most frustrating is, knowing I have fellow trance producer friends with the Desktop version, that have been running almost perfectly! (yes using full on reverbs/delays/eqs/hypersaws) . Standalone and USB, multiple parts simultaneous. And yet mine goes into a spasm at the slightest hint of being pushed (and as you can tell on that mp3, its really not being pushed that hard, note stealing coming in way too easily)

It's almost like my virus is running on half a motorola chip, let alone two of em.

So quite why some machines with the 1.1beta are running fine and some aren't. Who knows.

A whole dodgy run of hardware?, a manufacturing defect on some machines?. The core hardware should be the same between the desktop and keyboard versions after all. Just doesn't make sense!


All speculation at this point of course until we hear an official word on this.

P.S. My TI Keyboard is 4 days old.

[rapidfire]

Well, that's not good at all....
Actually, after the 1.1 install, I have gained better result within the plugin than with midi!!

I also get cracles/ pops only having 3 parts running in midi mode...

I have listened to your clip there, and that is all new to me.
I have never experienced things like this in standalone/ jamming mode.
You really got a problem going there as I see it, and this is not acceptable at all for a synthesizer recently purched,'
Can this be a DSP failure...is it that bad, as it smells in that direction..

Have you tried going back to the 1.07 version...?
This one seems the best for alot of users using SX and Logic...


You say some of your fella producers got almost zero problems...
Well, I just don't believe them at this moment as there is definitely a problem with the amounts of parts and hiss within patches for a vast deal of us....and as you and they explains...the problems are exactly the same.
Even a technician friend of mine who runs a shop got the same problems with hiss and multitimbrality issues!
In the start he couldn't hear the hiss which comes with extensive use of EQ/ reverb & delay.
After tweaking some strategic patches with these settings at high/ special levels, he also noticed this hiss.
The hiss problem is just too annoying....and then you got the cracles/ missing notes/ release when using beyond 4 parts within the plugin.
The midi procedure is just hopeless as I see it.

I wouldd't call this bugs at all, but bad chips/ processors.
This won't get straightened out over night, trust me.
I trhink they ought to release a new synthesizer as this project of their is a total fiasko.
Return your synth immediately and get your hard earned money back, then Access can think this through to next time they pull up a stunt like this! This is just redicilous, and that's my final word!

[F5D]

I eagerly await to hear Access response to my last email which included an mp3 highlighting the issues (even in solo mode with first 3 examples).

You can also listen to it here:

http://www.arksunmusic.com/music/virus_issues.mp3
Thanks for the mp3. This sounds very serious. I wonder how long access can continue this game. I just got an email today from a dj telling me that his virus TI keyb crashes in every 10 minutes. I guess access should have continued selling the C-series too until the TI is working properly. It's very risky to sell only 1 product (TI). I guess the virus powercore and Virus Classic aren't selling much anymore. I had zero issues with my Virus KC and the keyboard was fantastic to play. I guess the TI has the same keyb and that's one reason why I would like to get one at some point.

At first access MUST get the synth working properly in single and multi mode. How can they get the usb working if the basic functions don't work? :?

[rapidfire]

Yes, and what about the Flash To ROM feature...which they told me I would get very soon...?
Have you heard any news upon that..?

[Hollowcell]

You can also listen to it here:

http://www.arksunmusic.com/music/virus_issues.mp3



Thanks for sharing Arksun.

I really hope something shows up soon for you guys with trouble. I wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall during the recent Access meetings. They must be crapping themselves I'd say.

[mw7]

if this is true, this is amazing customer service. kudos to access, and this gentleman in particular!

It's true, but it'll be interesting to see how the follow-up is. I've been told the intent is to either 1) get me a completely new Polar, or 2) swap out the mainboard in the one that I have (which would involve sending the instrument to California, I think). There's some outfit in Santa Monica, I believe, that imports all of the Access synths into the US. I've been told that they have no Polars, nor any mainboards, but that there's a shipment coming in by the end of the month.

I will be absolutely thrilled if they can get me a Polar that behaves perfectly in multimode using MIDI cables. That shouldn't be too much to expect. :)

By the way, this fellow who works for Access in the US told me that he's heard that VC works great with DP 5 and OSX 10.4, although DP it still technically unsupported. I, of course, have DP 4.61 and OSX 10.3.9, having not gotten around to paying for either upgrades. And I am sure not going to invest any more money in this until my US$2500 Polar is working as advertised.

Anyone working with VC, Digital Performer 5, and OSX 10.4?

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Guys,

I dont think ive ever seen a new synth hit the market so totally fucked up and flawed. I feel for you....there is nothing that you could have done....you had to buy it......looked a sweet deal didnt it....nice pictures and bright snazzy colors

My message to Access is this: Dump the TI aspect for the time being....and get all standalone issues ironed out first. Only when the Virus is running 95% stable should you then introduce the other 101 confounding variables. Your driving your customer base insane. No one knows whats causing the problems...is it software? is it hardware? is it my soundcard? is it my computer? is it my sequencer? FFS there was a time when you switched a synth on, spent 2 mins making a kick ass fat fucking analog sound and laid some huge tracks. WTF is going wrong with music technology????????? Why the hell are we spending ever increasing amounts of time getting gear to work when that time should be spent on the creative process???

Totally Insane

Cheers

DS

[blay]

Yep seems there are a lot of users with similar issues.

Im looking forward to meeting the Access dist. here next week and hearing what he has to say on the matter...

Even if they offer me a new unit, Im pretty close to the point where I merely ask for my money back and buy a C :(

Its pretty hard to give up on a synth that sounds this good - warts and all.

cheers

Blay

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I will be absolutely thrilled if they can get me a Polar that behaves perfectly in multimode using MIDI cables

It would be awesome wouldnt it :lol: 8) :wink:

That shouldn't be too much to expect. :)

Interesting point. What should we expect nowadays? Once upon a time this kinda shit didnt happen/wouldnt be allowed to happen. We've all lowered our standards and ultimately have ourselves to blame :cry:

DS

[blay]

We've all lowered our standards and ultimately have ourselves to blame :cry:

DS

What a load of crap DS.

I bought this synth expecting it to do exactly what it was promoted as capable of doing.

What am I meant to be blaming myself for?

The only time you will see me lowering my standards is after the 5th or 6th pint at the pub...

cheers

Blay

[Sleepwalker]

Even if they offer me a new unit, Im pretty close to the point where I merely ask for my money back and buy a C :(

Yeah, I have the same thoughts. I have enough problems geting my work done already, dont have time or energy or even money for all this beta testing.

I found the nord 3 temting, lately. Its a great machine to work with, and everything works aparently, for starters!

[ledge]

I guess access should have continued selling the C-series too until the TI is working properly. It's very risky to sell only 1 product (TI). I guess the virus powercore and Virus Classic aren't selling much anymore.

maybe not, but considering their deal with DigiDesign and Virus TDM being included with every copy of Pro-Tools TDM sold I don't think they'll ever have to worry about cashflow.

Also, I think it is worth noting that after 1.1 beta came out there were a load of posts from people who the new OS had solved all their problems. Considering now we are getting a few people saying they are getting their gear replace it looks like there might have been a dodgy run at some point. I guess before now they just assumed all the problems were due to the OS and plugin rather than hardware and now are realising there is a problem with some hardware.

[blay]

Even if they offer me a new unit, Im pretty close to the point where I merely ask for my money back and buy a C :(

Yeah, I have the same thoughts. I have enough problems geting my work done already, dont have time or energy or even money for all this beta testing.

I found the nord 3 tempting, lately. Its a great machine to work with, and everything works aparently, for starters!

Ironically I was looking on the web for the best quote on a lead 3 rack when I stumbled across the initial Access press release - I preordered on the 10th NOV O4, then waited till OCT 05 for my unit to show up, and in JUN 06 I still dont have a working TI. If nothing else this release is starting to make me feel my age :wink:

cheers

Blay

[rapidfire]

Guys,

I dont think ive ever seen a new synth hit the market so totally fucked up and flawed. I feel for you....there is nothing that you could have done....you had to buy it......looked a sweet deal didnt it....nice pictures and bright snazzy colors

My message to Access is this: Dump the TI aspect for the time being....and get all standalone issues ironed out first. Only when the Virus is running 95% stable should you then introduce the other 101 confounding variables. Your driving your customer base insane. No one knows whats causing the problems...is it software? is it hardware? is it my soundcard? is it my computer? is it my sequencer? FFS there was a time when you switched a synth on, spent 2 mins making a kick ass fat fucking analog sound and laid some huge tracks. WTF is going wrong with music technology????????? Why the hell are we spending ever increasing amounts of time getting gear to work when that time should be spent on the creative process???

Totally Insane

Cheers

DS


Couldn't have agreed more!

The reason why I got into this synthesizer was its unique effects section:
- 16 parts, each with its own dedicated reverb and delay section!
Thats it, and I paid ?1550 for this to work.
What did I get....
- 3 parts in standard midi operation, though working perfectly and flawlessly, but that's not what I paid for at all.

The really frustrating aspect is that the plugin is better on some features, and the standard midi with cables is better on something else....
This is just terrible, and with the new 1.1.1 things is only 3-4% better in my case...now what the hell is that all about, me being reporting exact problems to Access since December last year!!
This feels like a dead end street, nothing to gain at all.
I think I have to return this synthesizer, and get a NL3 instead for now.
I will most likely get the TI at a later stage, if those specific issues get straightened out all together! :twisted:

[Threlly]

My Desktop TI has gone back to Access.
The dealers are providing me with a replacement from stock.
I have asked them to update it 1.1 and test it.
If it plays up once, they can keep it, simple as.

[Arksun]

You say some of your fella producers got almost zero problems...
Well, I just don't believe them at this moment as there is definitely a problem with the amounts of parts and hiss within patches for a vast deal of us....and as you and they explains...the problems are exactly the same.
Even a technician friend of mine who runs a shop got the same problems with hiss and multitimbrality issues!


Obviously those with problems on forums will appear the most vocal, but its hard to grasp exactly what percentage of TI users that genuinely represents.

Anyways, my two friends in question are Paul Moelands and Envio, who've had various trance releases under labels like Armada, so I trust their judgement.

At most Paul said he'd experienced a hung note once every 4 hours, but that otherwise his Desktop with 1.1beta was very stable. Same story with Envio (both running USB mode mind, but no issues in playing solo standalone like I have)

Which again just makes the picture very confusing, is there a HUGE dodgy batch of machines out there?!?. If there is, my god I wouldn't want to be in Access's shoes right now. I mean how do you know which works and which doesn't.

Can they trace it down to a batch range and if so, be brave (and indeed apropriate) enough to make a full on product recall!, instead of just waiting for users to send in bug reports to keep it hush hush.

If it is OS based, again, why such differeing problems?. Like i say, Envio and Paul know how to push a machine hard for trance stuff, I really don't think they're lying about the performance, both suffered problems with 0.9 and 1.1 fixed it for them.


Certainly there is absolutely no reason why a synth of this power can't be 100% crash free stable in midi mode at least.

I have another synth here, it also has flash based OS, is very powerful, individual fx per part. I'm talkin about the Supernova II, best synth novation ever made (shame its no longer in production). I'd never ever sell mine, its much older design than the Virus, but still stands up to the best. But the best part of all about that synth?, it has never crashed out on me once, not ONCE, in the years I've had it.

I thought the Virus would complement it perfectly in my setup with its own flavour of sound, that is of course, if it worked!

Soo.. i have a big decision to make. Wait for a fix (be it OS or machine replacement), or.. get a Virus Classic.... or, get out now while i can, get my money back, buy something else entirely.

The fact others have waited so long for a similar holy grail of stability is what puts me off waiting for everything to be fixed :/

Still waiting further feedback from access support...

[Timo]

A friend from over on the Korg Forums also had a Polar, updated the 1.1 OS and experienced the SatanSaw. The Virus also had no sound output when first switched on, until messed around with. These probs were both in standalone mode. Needless to say the Polar is going back (and staying there). A massive shame as she loved it to bits.

This is going to be expensive for Access.

PS > Arksun..... of 'Arisen'?

[Sleepwalker]

A friend from over on the Korg Forums also had a Polar, updated the 1.1 OS and experienced the SatanSaw. The Virus also had no sound output when first switched on, until messed around with. These probs were both in standalone mode. Needless to say the Polar is going back (and staying there). A massive shame as she loved it to bits.

This is going to be expensive for Access.

PS > Arksun..... of 'Arisen'?

Can we get our money back? Ive had mine for about 3 months...

[aisling]

:cry: I am sorry to hear about all these issues still with 1.1.1.
I owned my TI for 2 weeks until my gut told me to return it until it works.
I ended up getting a virus c and probably will not look back for a while.
This is a bummer becuase access sound are amazing. While the TI concept is VERY apealing, I stop and remind my self that some of my favorite/influences such as Astral Projection, MFG, infected mushroom.........
were all using virus a and b 16 bit 44.1 and good old fashioned midi.......

[blay]

I would be happy even if only the good old fashioned midi was stable on the TI...

Im still making use of the unit with numerous workarounds - but the fact I have to record numerous takes to get one without crackles and hiss certainly gets frustrating.

cheers

Blay

[Arksun]

PS > Arksun..... of 'Arisen'?

One and the same yes.

It's heartbreaking it really is, i KNOW i could create some incredible sounds on this and using them to good effect in future productions but, am I hanging onto a false love, never to be fulfilled by endless instability?

All I care about is a stable studio, instability totally drains my desire to create.

I do still have to wait back from access support (curious how they responded back immediately to my initial bug report, but after sending the reply with the enclosed mp3 outlining the issues, its gone quiet..), but the temptation to call up the shop tomorrow and ask for a refund right now is overwelming.

[rapidfire]

I would be happy even if only the good old fashioned midi was stable on the TI...

Im still making use of the unit with numerous workarounds - but the fact I have to record numerous takes to get one without crackles and hiss certainly gets frustrating.

cheers

Blay


Yeah, me too!!
I do got some gear in my studio, so I will manage, like good reverbs from TC etc.
It's so frustrating not being able to benefit from the reverbs on the TI as they are blistering in sound, and also so versatile over a vide range of sounds... :?


To Arksun:

Yes, I also have been enjoying the SN2 for a long time, and never witnessed any instability what so ever. It also got 8 RAM banks which makes storing patches a breeze!

I have heard brilliant tracks by you, Paul and Envio, also Menno of course, and I know they had some issues before the 1.1 became available...

The strange part is that if their OS/ hardware is working that good with screaming settings/ loads of parts in the plugin, why is ours behaving the exact opposite?
Delays and reverbs including special settings in EQ is everyting in this genre, so I just don't see that they can get so much out of their synths when we cannot...
But then again, they do know their tweaking and settings, so they certainly are telling the truth, of course.

Do you know specifically how many parts they can/ are using with effects...both delay/ reverb?

[Arksun]

Do you know specifically how many parts they can/ are using with effects...both delay/ reverb?

*asks Paul over msn*

Here's a cut n paste:

Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
how many parts do ya have running simultaneous.. and are they like full on sounds, loads of fx on each , reverb delays eqs etc
Paul Moelands says:
well yeah obvisouly
Paul Moelands says:
around 6 sounds simult
Paul Moelands says:
fxed and all
Paul Moelands says:
lots of triggers
Paul Moelands says:
etc
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
some of those hypersaw using presets?
Paul Moelands says:
yeah
Paul Moelands says:
kind of
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
ok, i'm gonna put this in the forum thread about it if ya dont mind, some people just dont believe some TI's are indeed stable. lol
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
i'm very much not alone in the dodgy TI front it seems
Paul Moelands says:
what forum thread?
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
http://infekted.org/viewtopic.php?p=57311#57311
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
i'll just copy n paste this text to if if thats ok
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
?
Paul Moelands says:
what text?
Paul Moelands says:

Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
what we just wrote above! lol
Paul Moelands says:
well the thing is.. i know i have one of the first batch released ti's
Paul Moelands says:
i dont know if they changed anything after the big hog of pre-orders in their hardware
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
hmmm, this is really whats concerning quite a few of us, is there a fundamental dodgy batch of hardware out there
Paul Moelands says:
for all i know, i can now work without problems on as much as i tried, it hasnt crashed on me yet since that new update and it seems VERY stable and very willing to work with me, totally opposite of before, when it was drifting in and out of sync and shite like that
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
have you tried it in midi mode again?
Paul Moelands says:
no
Paul Moelands says:
i wont!
Paul Moelands says:
i refuse
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
lol
Paul Moelands says:
now it works, it should keep working!
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
haha ok, dont wanna break it

..I think that covers it.

[blay]

:lol:

[rapidfire]

Thanks, Arksun!!

Well, I have tried to reduce some effects and I can get up to 6 parts as well....(in the plugin).
As I see it at this point, the synth ain't ready for accessive effects use, which means we trance producer have to use external plugs, especially for reverb effects!
I do believe my synthesizer is one of the 'healthy' ones...so far...
What we was praised, do not seem to deliver at all.
This is very sad for all of us. :?

Forget midi mode as Paul says, and use the plugin only, if you don't discover the reverb hiss like me, which doesen't appear in midi mode....strange or what? :lol:

[djencode]

Guys,

I dont think ive ever seen a new synth hit the market so totally fucked up and flawed. I feel for you....there is nothing that you could have done....you had to buy it......looked a sweet deal didnt it....nice pictures and bright snazzy colors

My message to Access is this: Dump the TI aspect for the time being....and get all standalone issues ironed out first. Only when the Virus is running 95% stable should you then introduce the other 101 confounding variables. Your driving your customer base insane. No one knows whats causing the problems...is it software? is it hardware? is it my soundcard? is it my computer? is it my sequencer? FFS there was a time when you switched a synth on, spent 2 mins making a kick ass fat fucking analog sound and laid some huge tracks. WTF is going wrong with music technology????????? Why the hell are we spending ever increasing amounts of time getting gear to work when that time should be spent on the creative process???

Totally Insane

Cheers

DS


Couldn't have agreed more!

The reason why I got into this synthesizer was its unique effects section:
- 16 parts, each with its own dedicated reverb and delay section!
Thats it, and I paid ?1550 for this to work.
What did I get....
- 3 parts in standard midi operation, though working perfectly and flawlessly, but that's not what I paid for at all.

The really frustrating aspect is that the plugin is better on some features, and the standard midi with cables is better on something else....
This is just terrible, and with the new 1.1.1 things is only 3-4% better in my case...now what the hell is that all about, me being reporting exact problems to Access since December last year!!
This feels like a dead end street, nothing to gain at all.
I think I have to return this synthesizer, and get a NL3 instead for now.
I will most likely get the TI at a later stage, if those specific issues get straightened out all together! :twisted:


im assuming neither of you have tried running KORE. now you want to talk about lemons, there is king lemon. out of the box the buttons were cheap, the job wheel was crooked, the only thing that was nice about its construction is the touch sensitive knobs. the display has streaks on it etc. i load the thing up, use it as an audio card (this device requires usb 2.0 so it's already got more bandwith than the TI) and with 2 synths i get crackles and pops, just having it plugged in with nothing else running it takes 30% of my cpu, i set assignments and they bugger up and glitch. and this is all in standalone mode. i don't dare try it in a sequencer.


now compared to that my TI has been great. standalone works without a hitch for me apart from mabye a arp drift that im not noticing or not to caring about since i usually turn off arp and program the rhythms myself. i've driven the piss outta this thing ( 2 fully stacked hypersaws, slave mode 3rd osc, 8 unison with full detune, delay, phaser, chorus, distortion, eq, and analog boost all driving, analog mode 4 pole filter and high pass filter going, pressing like every key i could put my fingers on all at once. ) no clicks , no pops, no crackling, no dropouts, no crashes. everything is perfect.

in VC depending on the sequencer they have their unique bugs. a non fully updated cubase sx 3 has some issues with switching patches and modifying sounds. a non fully updated ableton live 5 has issues with the occasional crackle and pop. if i try to make the latency higher to compensate, it goes crazy on me. kore is perfect just the lag is through the roof.

so all in all, i mostly use the virus standalone anyhow, and it works perfect for me in that regard since i basically haven't left it alone all week.

[Timo]

Can we get our money back? Ive had mine for about 3 months...

Not sure. She bought the Polar and rigorously tested it out within the 30days limit, along with a friend who also bought another Polar.
They contacted Access due to various bugs (midi bugs, hanging notes, notes playing by themselves etc.), but I believe they both had probs with the Virus starting up (ie. no sound on initial power-up without being manipulated via various key-presses/workarounds) and the SatanScreech at random - both in standalone mode, and in OS 1.1 - so both Polars are going back. :? She absolutely and utterly loved the synth, so she's naturally gutted, but she couldn't live with the prospect of the DevilScreech being launched into her ear at random.

Arksun, nice to have you here! Arisen is easily in my top 5 for 2006. :) Armin opened his 250th 'A State Of Trance' radio show with Arisen when playing out live at the Asta (Netherlands) last month.
Loads of good tunes out at the mo, too. Also loved White Sand by Sunlounger (played after your track on ASOT 250). Catchy as phuq! Cowboy/hawaiian trance, yeehaa :)

[TOTAL]

1.09 hotfix
1.1.1 public beta
...WTF?


Hi trance producers and all. For clarity I’ll divide my post into parts.





Compromise

Your posts have made me realise how much compromise I have accepted since I bought the TI as a USB 2.0 compatible device capable of 1800 playing voices simultaneously from Sound And Drumland music store in Berlin, Germany ( http://www.sound-and-drumland.de ) in early February 2k6.

Not entirely precise arpeggiator, system hangups, satan saw, clicks – these are things which I have learnt to live with. As I am not recording a CD yet so I can theoretically tolerate these issues now.

At this stage I see I treat TI like an „ill” band-mate, moody, unreliable, boasting as the 7th wonder, glorified by 58 mags as the best you can get in 2006.. Did those mags test the TI or accept some advertisement purchase instead?
(Besides, has the year finished?)


Way fewer than the quoted 1800 voices, up to 2-4 fully effect-loaded parts playable at a time, not without tempo artefacts though, make me create things totally different from what I had the right to expect given the flashy advertisements. Wanted to make trance; I actually make simple quiet tunes with without arpeggiators. That is what my TI enables. Some may say „I do make trance, what is your excuse now?”. But do not know any of them personally.

I fully agree with the previous posters trance without arps or loads of fx, even as simple as reverb or delay is no longer this genre.




Access policy

Access policy is dishonest. The way I see it is they try to maintain the image of things being under control. To give an example, on their website the date of release of v1.1, previously 02.2006 has now been replaced with Q2.2006. In my opinion changing this detail this way is a manipulation. Instead of adding another entry in the news they change a tiny detail in the older one. Prospective buyers may think everything is happening as planned; old users may not notice the change, as I didn’t at first. What we get in June 2006 is beta version preceded by a post from Marc of Access preparing us to accept the fact that v1.1 (supposedly the non-beta!) will NOT solve all the widely reported issues.

What is this last .1 BTW? Does that mean that they have gone even further than they had planned with the development of the TI?
These version numbers are purely arbitrary, but imply that 1.1.1b although still at beta stage, is more than v1.1 scheduled for February. Having given it a thought I guess it stands for beta 1, which means „expect more betas before you get what you paid for”.

They have removed the infekted forum from the links on their site. What they „patronize” is the forgotten virusti and ampfea list; now, which excited potential buyer will dig in a list? No matter how serious fault you report there it gets drowned soon. As another consequence we don’t even realise how many posts have been left unanswered by Access Support Team. (mine: 5 in the least)




Selective response from Access

Once I contacted them about relatively unimportant matters like sysex issues in cubase sx, I got quick response (saying it is cubase’s fault), but as I referred to clicks both in VC and midi mode and sent them a mp3 sample in return I got a delayed answer implying a need to buy a mixer to protect my amp from further breakdowns. How long do I have to wait until it is „objectively” apparent that they have ignored the mail asking them a simple quiestion: Do I need to replace my TI or wait, if wait – how long roughly?



Satisfied/dissatisfied ratio

One of the arguments of the Access supporters is that the image of reliability of Virus TI devices can be distorted by the fact that the dissatisfied obviously have more things to write. But the counterargument is that thousands of VirusTI users worldwide may not speak English, may consider it futile to write, finally, may not know of infekted forum. What they learn from ampfea or Access Team directly is they need to buy more ware like mixer, dedicated USB cards, midi compatible cards, better cards, upgrade for cubase, nuendo, live (only the latest versions are said by Access to be supported), exchange the VST hosts (before Virus TI was said to be compatible with all VST hosts, now Access officially don’t care about such popular hosts as f.e. Traktion), reinstall the system, buy a better USB cable (sic! a device for 1700 euros up is not provided with a good cable), reinstall the drivers and many more.





Conclusion

The fact that after so many months since the product was launched the new buyers still report serious HARDWARE issues even in midi mode like clicks, system hangups etc. indicate that exchange for a new TI is no solution.

Music creation process of many users is seriously drained by TI problems, me among them, unfortunately. How many of us – it’s hard to even imagine. Does it really matter that some after all virtual entities (no offence) say their TIs work fine? If it does, let’s make a poll. But what matters for me personally is that:

1. can’t make music I bought Virus TI for, or even the way it is said to operate
2. among other things my TI produces clicks, but the Access team do not care
3. VirusTI was sold to me as a USB 2.0 device ( http://www.sound-and-drumland.de/item/access-virus-ti-desktop-0-0-0-7473.html)
4. as I visited http://www.access-music.de to get the upgrade to from a Hotfix to a Public Beta One (!) I saw an announcement that Virus TI is acclaimed as the no.1 synth of 2006.


I am seriously considering returning the Virus TI Desktop I have on the grounds its specifications as given by the dealer being FALSE.

[djencode]

Not entirely precise arpeggiator, system hangups, satan saw, clicks ? these are things which I have learnt to live with. As I am not recording a CD yet so I can theoretically tolerate these issues now.

At this stage I see I treat TI like an ?ill? band-mate, moody, unreliable, boasting as the 7th wonder, glorified by 58 mags as the best you can get in 2006.. Did those mags test the TI or accept some advertisement purchase instead?
(Besides, has the year finished?)


Way fewer than the quoted 1800 voices, up to 2-4 fully effect-loaded parts playable at a time, not without tempo artefacts though, make me create things totally different from what I had the right to expect given the flashy advertisements. Wanted to make trance; I actually make simple quiet tunes with without arpeggiators. That is what my TI enables. Some may say ?I do make trance, what is your excuse now??. But do not know any of them personally.

I fully agree with the previous posters trance without arps or loads of fx, even as simple as reverb or delay is no longer this genre.



im sorry but i have to disagree. if you think you need arps and hardware reverb and delay to be "trance" you really need to re-evaluate your qualities as a musician. i never use arps because i think they are a form of cheating, i program all my rhythms myself. the presets that have arps on my synth work fine. i made some tracks with heavy everything with no troubles. perhaps it is as some people said, defective hardware?

[TOTAL]

Look at the title of the thread. No use arguing about this here. You don't need arp, I do. PM me a link to your music.

[Arksun]

Bottom Line, I paid a lot of money for a great sounding powerful synth, loaded with power, high polyphony count and stellar fx in multi mode.

What have I got, a synth that glitches and spasms even in solo mode, with nothing more than a power chord and a pair of headphones plugged straight into it!

..ohh and I've just noticed the lfo lights are cycling... in standby mode, great!.

It'll be a miracle if I dont call the shop tomorrow morning asking for a full refund :(

Arksun

[djencode]

repeat : if you need arp or not is not the issue. you claimed you need arp to make trance, and thats not true.


if it's defective, exchange or return it. its probably hardware. i use it standalone with 1.1.1 and no issue. repeat NO issue.

[Arksun]

if it's defective, exchange or return it. its probably hardware. i use it standalone with 1.1.1 and no issue. repeat NO issue.

I have no doubt yours is working fine, and I'm happy for you, really I am :)

But for myself, risk having it exchanged for another one equally/more/slighty less but still glitchy?. And all the time wasted and hassle that entails?!?!. No thanks.

I've now seen too many posts by other users with very similar issues to put me off the TI now.

So unless Access can make an offer of directly swaping out my TI with one gauranteed to be stable and tested by them personally, beforehand, I'm cutting loose. Sorry

Arksun

[Threlly]

I received my replacement Desktop TI yesterday.
It came with 1.09 installed.
I updated it to v1.1.
After several hours of testing in standalone mode, there has been no satan-saw, no crashes and no crackling.
The was one instance when I could hear a click in the attack portion of a bass sound.
Once I had switched to another patch and gone back, it had gone and I was unable to repeat the effect.
So far so good, testing continues.

[blay]

Thats great news Threlly - Hope it works out for you... :D

cheers

Blay

[djencode]

it's good to see people are experiencing the same success with their TI as i am. now if the buffer issue with VC would be sorted, it would be the perfect synth

[mw7]

I received my replacement Desktop TI yesterday.
It came with 1.09 installed.
I updated it to v1.1.
After several hours of testing in standalone mode, there has been no satan-saw, no crashes and no crackling.
The was one instance when I could hear a click in the attack portion of a bass sound.
Once I had switched to another patch and gone back, it had gone and I was unable to repeat the effect.
So far so good, testing continues.

That's awesome news. Access is swapping out my Polar next week, and I am hoping that I'll finally have a glitch-free TI. What a wonderful thing that would be!

[aisling]

I'm happy for you guys that access steped up to the plate and replaced your units :D

[Anonymous]

After testing out this 1.1 beta for a while now i must say it's a joke.
This is the biggest joke ever! You have 2 tracks in midi with no usb connected, and it cracks up just with some effects and unison...
This synth is pure comedy! The RAM B patches can't be used since their too powerful...!! You can't even make hands-up happy hardcore with this toy... :lol: What a waste of time and money.

It's easier to make trance with free softsynths like triangle II or superwave P8. :wink:

[jasedee]

After testing out this 1.1 beta for a while now i must say it's a joke.
This is the biggest joke ever! You have 2 tracks in midi with no usb connected, and it cracks up just with some effects and unison...
This synth is pure comedy! The RAM B patches can't be used since their too powerful...!! You can't even make hands-up happy hardcore with this toy... :lol: What a waste of time and money.

It's easier to make trance with free softsynths like triangle II or superwave P8. :wink:
Hey Peter! :)

Whats the rest of your setup comprised of? Give us some details like:

What DAW u using?
Mac or PC?
OS?

[Anonymous]

That's actually irrelivant.
The reason why all the Access 'employees' ask that question is to make the main problem as difuse as possible in order to buy some time etc.
I have used all the previous OS releases and i think 1.1 is just a little bit better that 1.07, that's shocking if you ask me.

It's hilarious when some certain people acts like their synth is just fine with their ambiguous attitude.

This synth is simply not strong enough, and all you people who don't have problems, try to tweak some decent sounds, or just use RAM B Manuel Schleis sounds and you will be scared to death.

i use P4 with cubase and 24/96 etc.

[MADSTATION]

Peter: Well I tried using quite a few parts from the TI with quite a bit of unison(clip is 100% TI except kick+percs): http://www.madstation.net/ti_test.mp3

There are a few arps running as well...
All is over USB. I only use 6 parts but I don't see myself using more than this :)

[Anonymous]

yep i've heard your clip before on the other forum (the lame one).
Good trance music btw, are you signed?? :?:

Anyways, a lot of people on the other forum have tested this out and they are now running into the same problems i got...

Do you have different chipset in your Ti or is this just a miracle performed by god? All the trance lads i know struggle with this synth.

I am very happy for you my friend, you're a lucky guy!

[MADSTATION]

Yes I had a few releases on Progressive State Records(Switzerland), Transform Records(UK) and Fevah Records(USA/UK) :)


I ordered my TI in december 2004 and received it in october 2005. It was unusable until 1.1 Beta was posted. Since then it's been pretty much glitchfree. A few bugs here and there but nothing that prevents me from working on tracks.

I still try to be careful with reverb, enveloppe release, chords and unison.
What I plan on doing to stay away from trouble is write all my tracks using virus TI with NO unison and NO reverb and once all the tune is written, I will treat each track 1 by 1 and then use unison and reverb when necessary and bounce to wav.

[Anonymous]

That sounds like a nice workaround, or a way of working as it will be.
I must record all sounds dry atm and also use less release, delay feedback and all that stuff that rapes eachother...

It's a little difficult to plan a production since i can't let more than 3 Ti tracks play at the same time, so it's like a huge challenge just to arrange a cheap song. I'm so disappointed that the reverbs are allmost impossible to use as lush and ambient with lots of send/time, i really like the sound of the virus reverbs... :(

[blay]

yep i've heard your clip before on the other forum (the really good one).


The famous story of 4 people: Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job. Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done

So get off your ass and make your own decent forum

:wink: :lol:

cheers

Blay

[Anonymous]

yep i've heard your clip before on the other forum (the really good one).


The famous story of 4 people: Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody. There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it. Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it. Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job. Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it. It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done

So get off your ass and make your own decent forum

:wink: :lol:

cheers

Blay

*IGNORED*

[blay]

*IGNORANT*

[Anonymous]

*IGNORANT*

Why don't you and Ben go play with your.. erm... INIT patches :lol:
*Belch* .. sorry :oops:

[blay]

I am very happy for you my friend, you're a lucky guy!

Have you considered the fact that maybe your unit has faulty hardware, and that if you got your local distrib to check it out they may replace it?

You could always continue to spout shit until your warranty runs out, then give it to someone like me who only ever uses INIT patches...

[djencode]

im down with blay on that too, i've had nil problems with my TI standalone since i got it. but then again i was lucky and bought a display model that had 1.1.1 preloaded ^_^


i've had some minor issues with virus control, but im sure those will be ironed out in a future patch. im not too concerned with VC anyhow, i paid my money for this synth for hypersaw and the wavetables anyhow. and that fucking awesome sounding filter saturation ^_^

[Anonymous]

I am very happy for you my friend, you're a lucky guy!

Have you considered the fact that maybe your unit has faulty hardware, and that if you got your local distrib to check it out they may replace it?

You could always continue to spout shit until your warranty runs out, then give it to someone like me who only ever uses INIT patches...

It's too late for that, i've already cracked up the shizz, if you know what i'm talking about... I'm counting DSP chips as we speak.
Hey do me a favour Blay, stfu - I'm not here because of you.
I'm not insulting anybody, i'm just here to beta test this piece of ... synth?

Cheers

Peter

[djencode]

That's actually irrelivant.
The reason why all the Access 'employees' ask that question is to make the main problem as difuse as possible in order to buy some time etc.
I have used all the previous OS releases and i think 1.1 is just a little bit better that 1.07, that's shocking if you ask me.

It's hilarious when some certain people acts like their synth is just fine with their ambiguous attitude.

This synth is simply not strong enough, and all you people who don't have problems, try to tweak some decent sounds, or just use RAM B Manuel Schleis sounds and you will be scared to death.

i use P4 with cubase and 24/96 etc.

well according to the poll im running, 8 of the 12 people thus far who have voted have had minimal problems with their TI since 1.1.1. even if the angry people aren't voting, thats still 8 people who aren't having problems, and i know there are more, who just aren't on the forum or don't care about the forum enough to post (presumably because they are busy making music with their TI)


edit : that crazy football player in your sig looks really cool dancing to Front Line Assembly - Liquid Separation

[Anonymous]

What about a poll with only trance producers?
All trance producers i know of can't use this synth properly, they have to bounce to wav and record dry etc.

Nobody, and i repeat nobody can make 10 tracks with RAM B sounds!
That's what it's all about, i tweak my sound much further than RAM B which is quite moderate imo.

Somebody does better in ableton, or somebody does better in MAC whatever... But the main problem which is the same to all of us, this synth cannot run 10 parts with RAM B sounds together!
Which means i cannot run 4 parts together with my own patches.

This horse aint strong enough, it's a pony!

Encode: Have you tried to run 10 RAM B patches together at the same time? Try it ...

[blay]

Stfu? Ha. Many have come and gone before you on this forum. Get over yourself - your not the only one having issues.

See Access have identified my TI has hardware issues and will be fixing it - or if need be replacing it - my flatmates TI desktop runs fine on both my system and his, and I look forward to experiencing the same performance.

You opened the box and voided the warranty? - no point crying over spilt milk.

cheers

Blay

[djencode]

What about a poll with only trance producers?
All trance producers i know of can't use this synth properly, they have to bounce to wav and record dry etc.

Nobody, and i repeat nobody can make 10 tracks with RAM B sounds!
That's what it's all about, i tweak my sound much further than RAM B which is quite moderate imo.

Somebody does better in ableton, or somebody does better in MAC whatever... But the main problem which is the same to all of us, this synth cannot run 10 parts with RAM B sounds together!
Which means i cannot run 4 parts together with my own patches.

This horse aint strong enough, it's a pony!

Encode: Have you tried to run 10 RAM B patches together at the same time? Try it ...


you speak as if trance producers are elite of electronic music, or that they have any talent (HIYOOOHHH) if you do 10 sounds at once of course it will crap out, it's only got 81 voices, it's not unlimited. think about it, 2 hyper saws, unison to full, on like 5 patches would be enough to make any synth die, let alone just glitch a bit.

honestly, trance sounds are some of the easiest to program and compute for a synth. most of them are sawtooth waveforms. the only thing that might tax the synth is the effects (delay reverb etc). but never the less i've gone through catagories in about every bank and so far so good no glitch or anything. sometimes i use trance leads, for dark industrial, and terror ebm, but even there it performs up to task. it's most likely you just got faulty equipment. which you screwed up your chance to return it by opening it up.

in this case it sucks to be you, not only are you a jackass with no clue about real electronic music, you also messed up your chance to get your synth potentially fixed, and you insult moderators of the board. good job.

edit : just a quick question, are you doing the 10 MS presets in VC mode or in Midi mode? if in midi mode, why don't you send me a multi and see first hand as a direct comparison how my ti performs compared to yours. if it is VC mode, are your experiencing issues, thats to be expected because even i still experience issues in VC mode. good thing the only reason i use it is because im too lazy to tweak the synth with the knobs :P

[Anonymous]

You can't be very much updated on todays trance buddy, it's the most difficult music to make. The patches takes alot of time and knowledge to program. Strange that the old supernova 2 from 2000 can run 8 parts at the same time tweaked to max! And i've heard some very well tweaked patches that sounds just like a virus made on supernova 2.

6 years later Access virus can't even do halv of the job.

[blay]

It is surprising because as many of the SN2 users say, it was no problem running 8 parts tweaked to max playing together at the same time.

You can make r&b, but not EDM.

Sound Familiar? :roll:

Dont need an IP when you spout the same bullshit everywhere you go.

Toast him Drammy/303/Juho or whoever reads this first.

cheers

Blay

[Anonymous]

What about this is bullshit?

This is a different forum, just like a new football game.
A player that was given a red card has the right to play a fair second match. I really don't know why you follow me everywhere blay?

[nvisibl]

trance buddy, it's the most difficult music to make.

http://images.pravda.ru/img/2003/09/09-06-laughter.jpg

http://web.umr.edu/~reflori/intro/2004/July%201%20Pix/B%20Girls%20Laughing.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/berkshire/content/images/2005/04/19/laugh_out_loud_baby203_203x152.jpg

[Anonymous]

Heard of Sander Van Doorn? Airwave or Menno De Jong?

[blay]

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a248/illumina-ti/150px-DoNotFeedTroll.png

Do not feed the troll.

cheers

Blay

[nvisibl]

ps - not to offend any Trance headz but you know that was just a plain stupid statement for anyone to make in any case about any genre of music.

[Anonymous]

No. That was a very realistic statement.
I've seen how real trance producers work, their work is unique.
Nobody process harder than people that makes trance and EDM etc.
You have over 25 tracks that must be equalized crutial to fit eachother.
All sounds must be programmed for months and years...
This genre is the most underestimated genre ever even though it is among the most difficult.

I don't know what you think of when you hear the word 'trance', but if it is
likes if Ian Van Dahl, DJ Sammy and Lasgo then you're excused.

[blay]

Whats the rest of your setup comprised of? Give us some details like:

What DAW u using?
Mac or PC?
OS?

This is the thing Peter (or whoever you are) - you were asked numerous questions like this over at TI forums by both Access and members alike in the attempt to HELP you - and you never responded with anything but insults and "this synth sux".

There is no point participating on a forum unless you answer the people that are trying to help you - maybe a little bit of respect wouldve got you some answers.

Instead you have chosen to ignore everyone and open your unit - now you have broken seals your warranty is all over, and if you indeed do have hardware issues you are pretty much screwed.

First with the head, then with the heart...

cheers

Blay

[Anonymous]

I actually answered that question Blay. :lol:

and by the way, am i not allowed to do what i want with my own synth?
I will keep it in order to investigate its hardware chipset etc. and it has not hardware issues.

Cheers

Peter

[Anonymous]

why did you delete your post dude ?

[blay]

I did not remove any of my posts - perhaps admin did.

Here is why Im not prepared to help you any further:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Just wondering if you have contacted Access support at anytime to notify them of your issues...

There is a Beta report form on the Access website - I suggest detailing all bugs along with your hardware/software configuration.

Are you using a USB2 PCI card to connect the virus? If not, get one.

Have you worked through the tutorials provided with the 1.1 installer?

Are you using any other bus powered USB toys on your system? Make sure they are running on a seperate bus.

I rang the retailer that sold me my TI today and told him about the issues I have had, in both standalone and USB modes, and the Access distributor will be meeting with me next week to determine whether or not my TI has hardware issues - and if so they will be replacing it.

If you have issues give Access a chance to rectify them, because although it is taking a long time - they are trying.

Access might be more willing to respond to your posts (a couple of Access employees and many beta testers use this forum) if you use less expletives and avoid using terms such as 'you germans'. We dont have a bad word filter implemented on this forum because we have never needed it, and I would hope that members could be respectful of this.

cheers

Blay

>>>>>>>>>>>

I couldn't run more than 3 midi channels today just like 3 months ago!!!
I use lot of effects and many notes running, im not pimping with some
laidback hip-hop style, this is trance/techno/EDM etc.

I can't understand you guys, you advertised 2 years ago about this synth:

16 parts with multi effects... BULLSHIT! After 2 years i can run 3 parts with multi effects, not one part more! :lol:

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Did you even read my last post? <_<

Instead of blowing a lot of hot air try breathing some of it in sometime.

cheers

Blay

>>>>>>>

Can i ask a simple question?

How long will it take before i can use 16 tracks with multi effects?

Can you make an estimate? blink.gif

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

No - maybe you should ask Access.

And while you are there outline your entire software/hardware config and the exact circumstances where you experience bugs, like I have mentioned in numerous other posts.

cheers

Blay

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I have reported about specific bugs early this year and i still have them.
I have outlined what i use everything from sequencer, computer, soundcard...
I have had a professional person to compile my setup so everything is compatible.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Earlier this year? You need to report exact bugs since 1.1 has been released...

This process is to aid Access in RECREATING the bugs so that they can source a solution.

I have asked before but I will ask one more time:

Are you running a USB2 PCI card with only the TI attached to it?
Have you worked through the tutorial supplied with the 1.1 installer?
What latency is your soundcard operating at?
Have you turned of 'all midi inputs' on other channels in your arrangement?
Are you running TI ASIO? If so, I suggest leaving it up to your soundcard instead.


Unless you make your posts constructive no one is going to take any notice.

And if you are still not happy, you are under warranty, so feel free to get your money back or sell it to someone else - and go buy another synth that can do what you want it to.

cheers

Blay

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That's too many questions to cope with...
I'll go through my setup yet another time and report back. Constructive ofcourse. wink.gif

Cheers.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And thats just the start of the list.

I suggest having a real good read through prior posts on this forum.

You will be surprised how many issues can be put down to user error (of course not all).

cheers

Blay

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Have a read of this thread over at the other virus forum...

Beta 1.1 Discussion

cheers

Blay

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I bought a "car" that don't run, i can't go from 'A' to 'B', and you're talking about small details like 'mirrors', tires' and 'leather seats' etc.

Wake up and smell the coffee!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

The synth/software technology isn't better than this, just look at Korg Legacy Cell, it can't handle more than 3 parts either....

This is how the virus ti is and will be after the final OS is released.
Sucks.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[QUOTE=Ben Crosland,Jun 19 2006, 07:19 AM] [QUOTE=SICK OF ACCESS!,Jun 19 2006, 12:39 AM] To Ben Crosland:

I know you don't want to answer this question or don't 'know' but here goes:

Will it be possible to run atleast 10 parts with RAM B (MS) sounds with the final OS?
_____________________________

THEN FROM BEN CROSLAND:

Which MS sounds?

The ones which use 4 voice unison?

The analog oscillator? Oscillator 3?

How many notes on each part at any one time?

etc, etc.

The voice-count of the TI, as with all previous models is dynamic. If you want to make heavy use of such sounds, which it seems you do, then just bounce them to audio.

AFAIK it has certainly been necessary with every other synth popular in the Trance community, so why does it make it 'impossible to do Trance' on the TI?

>>>>>>>>>>>
Your response to ben:

I'm a musician with a desire to create, not an mathematician.

I think i will go to bed now.
Good night Bing Cros. :D

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ben wasnt asking you to count your toes.

If you are asked a question you should answer it - otherwise people might stop taking notice of anything you post. Just a suggestion.

cheers

Blay

>>>>>>>>>>>>

Ben is in bed with Access - in bed with crime!

I think in some countries it would be death penalty for crimes like these.
I just unplugged the usb and midi analog outs, now i will throw this piece of shit on the sea where it belongs!

I do just fine with software only, cracked that is!


>>>>>>>>>>>>>



Good day to you sir.

cheers

Blay

[Anonymous]

What's the deal with digging up old shit?

I wasn't talking about your post but nvisible's post about trance producers and their drugged fans etc.

Didn't you see it, it was a little bit over the line.

Well to make this thread useful, the 1.1 goes like this:

I can still only use 3/4 parts in VC or with midi cables and then it crackles,
just like with 1.07.

VC has been improved a little since i can have 1 track more i think.
The stuck notes are almost gone and the latency problem is completely gone in VC. Access has improved compatebility and it doesn't crash as much as before.

Access has done a good job on everything that can be flashed with OS,
but the synth itself isn't strong enough to keep its promises unfortunately.

There are still some bugs left, but the main problem is that this synth doesn't have good enough chipset.

I think Access have tried to save some cash on whats inside this synth.

Just my 2 cents.

*EDIT*

About warez talk, that was a joke posted on a different forum
in order to express that i feel robbed and had to take my money back
by cracking, which i haven't. I don't know what's wrong with you blay :?
I'm just here to find out what's wrong with this synth, inside of this synth that is.

[blay]

That is your opinion - thankyou for expressing it like a respectful human being.

My opinion is that you may have been unlucky enough to get a faulty unit, and that it should be taken to an authorised Access service centre for repair.

cheers

Blay

edit: I don't know what's wrong with you blay Confused

Right back at you. If you cant read back through that whole correspondance and work out why people got the shits with you - then you are beyond help.

Over and Out. :roll:

cheers

Blay

[aisling]

No. That was a very realistic statement.
I've seen how real trance producers work, their work is unique.
Nobody process harder than people that makes trance and EDM etc.
You have over 25 tracks that must be equalized crutial to fit eachother.
All sounds must be programmed for months and years...
This genre is the most underestimated genre ever even though it is among the most difficult.

I don't know what you think of when you hear the word 'trance', but if it is
likes if Ian Van Dahl, DJ Sammy and Lasgo then you're excused.

I may be washed up and out of it for the past few years, but what about the likes of Simon Postford (shpongle, hallucinogen eclipse), Ben Watkins (juno reactor), and the israeli scene.....astral projection, mfg, yahel, infected....?

[blay]

Ponsford is in a class of his own, and should not be compared to generic 'euro trance' artists....

[Anonymous]

It's not faulty. It is produced with bad Motorola chips, it aint even enough chips to keep this machine running.

I know to many people which has the same problems as i do, it's just a question of how you use your unit.

I'm not selling this synth - i've been waiting on this one for over 2 years!
Access can just admit they have produced a weak machine which can't keep the promises of 16 parts with effects, unison, wavetable etc.

I will wait for the mk2, yes i will buy a second unit! :lol:

[djencode]

No. That was a very realistic statement.
I've seen how real trance producers work, their work is unique.
Nobody process harder than people that makes trance and EDM etc.
You have over 25 tracks that must be equalized crutial to fit eachother.
All sounds must be programmed for months and years...
This genre is the most underestimated genre ever even though it is among the most difficult.

I don't know what you think of when you hear the word 'trance', but if it is
likes if Ian Van Dahl, DJ Sammy and Lasgo then you're excused.


*cough*BULLSHIT*cough*

sorry but i have to disagree. because i am a producer i know how damn easy it is to make trance. so easy in fact that it is now the cop out way for people to make industrial these days. gone are the days of front line assembly, skinny puppy, and einsturzende neubauten where people used art and progressive techniques to make music. now all you need is a hyper saw and a filter and you are now a hit musician.


It's not faulty. It is produced with bad Motorola chips, it aint even enough chips to keep this machine running.

I know to many people which has the same problems as i do, it's just a question of how you use your unit.

I'm not selling this synth - i've been waiting on this one for over 2 years!
Access can just admit they have produced a weak machine which can't keep the promises of 16 parts with effects, unison, wavetable etc.

I will wait for the mk2, yes i will buy a second unit! :lol:

what makes you think there will be a MKII when the MKI works just fine?
keep in mind the supernova is half of what the virus TI can do, or how it taxes the dsp chips. i bet the problem lies in that if anything the dual cpu's aren't communicating the way they should which should be able to be flashed out in patches. but complaining about it is not something anyone wants to hear, get it fixed or not, like it or not, use it or not, just quit your bitching.

[djencode]

Ponsford is in a class of his own, and should not be compared to generic 'euro trance' artists....

im in accordance with blay on that too. i what is classified as goa/psy is no way shape or form in the same class as acts like paul oakengay, scooter, ferry corsten etc...


sorry sick of access, peter, whoever the heck you are, but just cause they have 25 tracks (laugh) and spend tons of time on one trance lead, doesn't make them superstar producers.



edit : see there are some hard dance acts i can respect, yoji biomehanika, lab 4, mauro picotto, but even their music isnt very inspired...not very technical either :/

[Anonymous]

I can't teach you everything about trance, but when you hook up Scooter and Ferry Corsten in the same line, then i rest my case.

[Anonymous]

You could actually take this synth and fly to the moon with it if you just decided to put enough money in the project.

Is 9/10 virus Ti synths faulty? I just don't buy that!
The thing is that Access virus didn't want to spend enough money on this synth to make it as powerful to match the promises.
The reason is probably because the synth would have to be twice as expensive. So they decided to lie and bring out false facts because there would be so many people that never needed to push it that hard anyway so they could just let this become a huge problem for us EDM/trance/techno producers. I know many trance producers which isn't very well known and some few known ones, and all of them struggles with this synth. The reason is because they tweak heavy patches.

Virus Ti doesn't have enough DSP chips. I've had a good look inside of it.

I think this is the last time i will repeat myself about this.

[jasedee]

Hey Mr Crouch!

Dont mean to sound like I am jumping on the "Lets have a crack at Peter Crouch" Bandwagon, but I reckon all your issues are cos u are using cracked software mate...

And probably all your trance friends are doing the same thing...

I think this forum should have a "No talk about cracked software" policy. It is not cool, and I dont condone it...

Anyways, Im sure your problems can/will be sorted, but it may just take some time. Dont let it stop you making tunes!!!!

:)

[Merlot]

This thread has gotten way out of hand! For fucks sake people!!!! :shock: :x :wink:

[jasedee]

This thread has gotten way out of hand! For fucks sake people!!!! :shock: :x :wink:
Time to take out your M16 and get busy, Iraq stylee!!!!!!

:wink:

[aisling]

Ponsford is in a class of his own, and should not be compared to generic 'euro trance' artists....

You know it 8)

[aisling]

Ponsford is in a class of his own, and should not be compared to generic 'euro trance' artists....

im in accordance with blay on that too. i what is classified as goa/psy is no way shape or form in the same class as acts like paul oakengay, scooter, ferry corsten etc...


sorry sick of access, peter, whoever the heck you are, but just cause they have 25 tracks (laugh) and spend tons of time on one trance lead, doesn't make them superstar producers.



edit : see there are some hard dance acts i can respect, yoji biomehanika, lab 4, mauro picotto, but even their music isnt very inspired...not very technical either :/

I like u :wink:

[aisling]

Hey Mr Crouch!

Dont mean to sound like I am jumping on the "Lets have a crack at Peter Crouch" Bandwagon, but I reckon all your issues are cos u are using cracked software mate...

And probably all your trance friends are doing the same thing...

I think this forum should have a "No talk about cracked software" policy. It is not cool, and I dont condone it...

Anyways, Im sure your problems can/will be sorted, but it may just take some time. Dont let it stop you making tunes!!!!

:)

good one :wink: and don't forget to offer the crouchster 0.25$ for a soda pop. 8)

[djencode]

You could actually take this synth and fly to the moon with it if you just decided to put enough money in the project.

Is 9/10 virus Ti synths faulty? I just don't buy that!
The thing is that Access virus didn't want to spend enough money on this synth to make it as powerful to match the promises.
The reason is probably because the synth would have to be twice as expensive. So they decided to lie and bring out false facts because there would be so many people that never needed to push it that hard anyway so they could just let this become a huge problem for us EDM/trance/techno producers. I know many trance producers which isn't very well known and some few known ones, and all of them struggles with this synth. The reason is because they tweak heavy patches.

Virus Ti doesn't have enough DSP chips. I've had a good look inside of it.

I think this is the last time i will repeat myself about this.

sorry but i just don't buy your statement, here's why.

Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
how many parts do ya have running simultaneous.. and are they like full on sounds, loads of fx on each , reverb delays eqs etc
Paul Moelands says:
well yeah obvisouly
Paul Moelands says:
around 6 sounds simult
Paul Moelands says:
fxed and all
Paul Moelands says:
lots of triggers
Paul Moelands says:
etc
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
some of those hypersaw using presets?
Paul Moelands says:
yeah
Paul Moelands says:
kind of
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
ok, i'm gonna put this in the forum thread about it if ya dont mind, some people just dont believe some TI's are indeed stable. lol
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
i'm very much not alone in the dodgy TI front it seems
Paul Moelands says:
what forum thread?
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
http://infekted.org/viewtopic.php?p=57311#57311
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
i'll just copy n paste this text to if if thats ok
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
?
Paul Moelands says:
what text?
Paul Moelands says:

Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
what we just wrote above! lol
Paul Moelands says:
well the thing is.. i know i have one of the first batch released ti's
Paul Moelands says:
i dont know if they changed anything after the big hog of pre-orders in their hardware
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
hmmm, this is really whats concerning quite a few of us, is there a fundamental dodgy batch of hardware out there
Paul Moelands says:
for all i know, i can now work without problems on as much as i tried, it hasnt crashed on me yet since that new update and it seems VERY stable and very willing to work with me, totally opposite of before, when it was drifting in and out of sync and shite like that
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
have you tried it in midi mode again?
Paul Moelands says:
no
Paul Moelands says:
i wont!
Paul Moelands says:
i refuse
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
lol
Paul Moelands says:
now it works, it should keep working!
Arksun *Banjo Trance IS the future \o/* says:
haha ok, dont wanna break it



sorry buddy, making a multi of layered pads and spending a week making a hypersaw or supersaw lead doesn't make you a musician. you're not going to convince anyone it can't do what it promises, because really, i have yet to even reach the limits of the synth. i mean hell, people have turned in polars for desktops and found there was a siginificant difference in reliability. you also aren't going to convince me that trance is some superior form of music that taxes synths the most and requires the most dsp bandwith, because thats horseshit. trance is one of the most simplistic, non inpiried form of electronic music ever created. the drums rhythm is ALWAYS the same. the leads ARE ALWAYS THE SAME. only thing that differs is the bass SOMETIMES and the pads, and the drum fills. i'd put artists like autechre and venetian snares miles above any homo-trance producer. (just as a side note aaron funk has a heartmann neuron sitting against the wall...lucky guy). i mean hell i can write trance on my kstation, i don't need the evolved functions of the ti to do that. and in fact i think it would be a waste of a synth and an insult to virus to write generic euro-trance on it. the virus is a dark synth, it should be making dark music :P

ok my rant is over. you can believe what you will about the virus, i'll completely ignore you and continue to love it, while you toil over meaningless points about it and let your money go to waste.


edit : by the way it's not that i hate you, i just hate when people CLAIM trance is this superior form of music.

[blay]

edit : by the way it's not that i hate you, i just hate when people CLAIM trance is this superior form of music.

No matter. Juho sacked him quick smart.

Sorry for the ranting guys - all this happened around the time of the AUS vs CROATIA so I was a little hot under the collar :wink:

cheers

Blay

[bishopkris40]

because thats horseshit. trance is one of the most simplistic, non inpiried form of electronic music ever created

Bad time to say I plan to make trance and happy hardcore then :lol:

Wondered when he would turn up here, I have to say though he'll be back once he figures out how to switch the thing on properly.

Cheers
Kris

On another note, I argued with him that the supernova had issues, funny enough I contacted novation and they confirmed mine is faulty, only needs me to re-seat a wire. ooooohh I hate synth problems :wink:

[Threlly]

Update on my new replacement TI.
logged about 6 hours all told now in standalone mode.
Not one crash or blip.
I'm going to 'bootcamp' the mac tonight, so I'll stick
Cubase SX3 on and see how the VC plugin behaves.

Fingers crossed.

[blay]

Thats really is good news Threlly - I hope that i will have a similar experience when my unit is replaced next week...

cheers

Blay

[3o3]

Oh for fuck.. I'll lock this bloody thread as it seems that it doesn't really do anything than upset people.

I've got tons of emails about this thread and messages on MSN about this.

I am drunk, So i think that I am really nice and a nice fellah to do this and do not upset the monkeygod!

EDIT: I love the fact that you all discuss pro/cons about the new update but I don't wanna hear anything about a faulty TI. You've shoulda wait before you bought your bloody synthesizers!

Access will fix this and those that still suffers from problems, get it bloody replaced before your warranty runs out. It ain't that hard you know?

I am confident that Access will fix this, it's a shame that it hasn't been fixed earlier but I know that they will fix it.