TI or C = ?6-700

[mrvinyl]

Hi All,

making my debut on infekted with a question that should keep me here forever or i'll be off to the roland forums to ask about juno-g's if I can't make my mind up.

I WANT A VIRUS

CAN AFFORD A DESKTOP C! BUT SHALL I SAVE FOR A TI???

OBVIOUSLY WOULD LOVE A TI for the virtualness BUT WOULD LIKE SOME FEEDBACK ON PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THE SAME AS ME BUT REGRETTED IT

Am I right in thinking the TI is basically gonna cost me twice the price of a C but all I get is an soundcard/interface and a vst version?

I've already got a soundcard and its not a problem to record any samples from any outboard stuff I have, so do I really need TI in my life when I can have C which leaves me X to spend on other things

TI or C =

Sorry to re-repeat anyone else's post's as I bet this has been asked a million times, but once I know what to do i'll be your friend I promise

p.s. if i'm going for a TI it will be the full octave version

[F5D]

I have owned B, KC and Powercore versions and I've been testing the TI now for 1.5 weeks. I can say that the C-series have the best value/money ratio. TI is better if you like to use the usb connection but I feel like playing my ex KC when I play this Virus TI keyb. Nice synth but the price is high because they're new. C-series also has less bugs. The hypersaw and wavetables are not very important to me either so I would manage with C very well. TI still has some bugs but it's going the right direction. Current 1.2.3 version is usable but somehow I still prefer C which was bugless at least for me. The usb connection works only at 16bits and introduces much more latency than playing thru analog outs and software monitoring in your sequencer with powercore plugins. Many of my favourite virus presets don't use any of the new TI features so C is enough.

[djencode]

see i make techno so hypersaw and wavetables are VERY important to me (i guess thats why i also have a jp8080 :) )

when i was waiting for my TI i had the choice of going for a c, but in the end i declined it because the ti just had that much more to offer me.

[Hollowcell]

I have a C and I have never thought about upgrading to a TI. The wavetables still aren't user importable and although the "hyper saw" can push out some pretty nasty sounds it hasn't seemed to get that mas-appeal of the "super saw". Then there's the bugs, but the bugs do seem to be getting sorted slowly (very slowly). Also I am not interested in "total intergration" either.

I guess if I was in your situation, I'd buy a C and with the money saved I would buy a completely different machine for new tonal characture.

[Timo]

I have a Virus B and am fairly happy with it at the moment as it still has a large-ish portion of that distinctive Virus sound that all the others have. The only things that outrightly appeal to me of the latter models are the C's Moog filter and the TI's Hypersaw. So at this moment I'm keeping the B until a TI v2 comes out (probably in a year or so's time), where the difference between them would then be very well worth justifying the extra outlay.

If this was your first Virus and you'd like the Hypersaw, the Wavetables, the extra poly and the integrated stuff, then the TI will be what you're after. If you want to get a portion of the Virus sound and wish to upgrade to a TI v2 at a later time, then the C might be what you're after. It's your call.

[mrvinyl]

ok so what examples can you give (other than hands on hardware) that the virus is worth spending all that money, when I could get a VST equivalent that emulates the virus

[Timo]

A VSTi that emulates the virus? buahahah.

Vanguard tries, but...

Good luck.

[mrvinyl]

thanks timo, I understand what you mean, still 1500 pounds is a lot of money so need to make the right choice here. is the TI 2 in production?, do you think it will be released soon, will the unit be different or is it an upgrade to the virtual side of things?

[Timo]

>>is the TI 2 in production?

No. No word of a TI v2 has ever been mentioned, by anyone. It's merely a theoretical figment of my imagination and a guess based on previous patterns. Sorry if I misled you.

>>do you think it will be released soon

No. And if there ever was to be a TI v2, it would certainly not be for (at the very least) another one or two years, I'm guessing. Access tend to release new synths every 2-3 years, but I think any such TI v2 will probably take a year or so longer than that due to the staggered release of the TI v1.

>>will the unit be different or is it an upgrade to the virtual side of things?

Utterly no idea.

Ignore all this talk about a theoretical TI v2. The current TI v1 will most likely see at least one large set of OS/software updates and enhancements long before anything like a TI v2 would ever see ever the light of day. The only reason I'm waiting until a theoretical TI v2 is because I can't afford a new Virus any time soon. A year or two down the line I will be.

But don't even concern yourself about what or wont be included in any OS upgrades. Buy something you want for what it does today, not what it 'might' do tomorrow.

If you want the wavetables, the hypersaw, the virtual control, the added polyphony, the usb midi + audio, the independent reverb and delay effects per part, the programmable arpeggiator, the larger LCD, then save up and buy the TI. If you don't feel you need or want any of those features, then buy the C.

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

Regarding the TI MKI and hyperthetical MKII release...

Once the last remaining bugs have been ironed out....Im expecting Access to reward TI users with some interesting updates. They may or may not be working on those updates right now. What Im trying to say is.....a MKII version is probably some ways off (2 years). Access will want to ensure success with the MKI before they are seen to usher a MKII out the door....

Will a MKII be different or will it be an upgrade to the virtual side of things? Well, its likely to be a bit of both. If you really see yourself wanting to go down the integrated route then a MKII will likely satisfy those needs more readily than the current MKI does. If your like me however and are quite happy to use analog outs and record the synth the old fashioned way...and use Virus Control for patch storage and organising parts or whatever....then the TI MKI is already powerful enough to see you through the next 15-20 years.

DS

[mrvinyl]

right so i'm still torn between buying a:

virus classic
a virus C
or a full octave version of the TI

obviously the latter is the one thats gonna empty my pockets the most

what would you do if you had the choice :?:

[Timo]

If you want the wavetables, the hypersaw, the virtual control, the added polyphony, the usb midi + audio, the independent reverb and delay effects per part, the programmable arpeggiator, the larger LCD, then save up and buy the TI. If you don't feel you need or want any of those features, then buy the C.

It doesn't matter what we'd want. It's what you want. Of course people would say a TI if you didn't already have a Virus, but it's your purse-strings.

[mrvinyl]

it would be nice to have the vsti bit, the wavetables and the hypersaw i'm not sure what that is

the interface side of things I don't really need as i'm quite happy with my pulsar soundcard

independent effects per part sounds nice

larger lcd nice

programable arp yep nice

but by the sounds of things I get all that and lots of bugs

where as the C maybe I could achieve all the above with a bit of tweaking, recording here and there

[Timo]

>>hypersaw i'm not sure what that is

Ever heard of the Supersaw (Roland JP80x0)? The Supersaw is 7 x sawtooth oscillators stacked on top of each other (with adjustable detune) using just 1-note polyphony.
The TI's Hypersaw is the same thing but allows 9 sawtooth osc's to be stacked using just 1-note poly. It also allows the sub-osc's to be stacked, so you could have 9 x square waves, too.

Wavetables are very short, 1-cycle PCM waveforms that can be morphed from one wavetable to another. They're very digital-sounding.

You could use independent effects (distortion, chorus, flanger/phaser, analogue boost) on all parts on all viruses - the proviso was that you had to make do with just one reverb+delay globally (applied to ALL parts at the same time, but with control for different wetnesses). The TI differs only in that it now supports reverb/delay per part, too.

[mrvinyl]

Great thanx for that timo!

right so now then i'm gonna buy

as far as I can see in the UK turnkey is the only place to get a brand new full octave TI

where can I buy a brand new virus C? can't seem to find place's that sell them?

[Mayday Dream]

I dont think you can get them new any more

But you made the right choice with the C (imo)

But if you see a used B cheap it might be worth getting that. save lots of money and still have virus sound.

In terms of synthesis they havent really changed that much since the B. well not enough to justify the price difference from a used B to a brand new TI

[mrvinyl]

the interface side of things I don't really need as i'm quite happy with my pulsar soundcard


just a thought......

seeing as it acts as an audio interface
could the TI conflict with my PCI creaware pulsar souncard in anyway?

[Gopal]

independent effects per part sounds nice

larger lcd nice

programable arp yep nice

but by the sounds of things I get all that and lots of bugs

where as the C maybe I could achieve all the above with a bit of tweaking, recording here and there

You're dead right and that is prezactly why I would recommend the KC for you. It's your money though and your choice

[mrvinyl]

are the KC discontinued?
seen any second hand ones anywhere,or know anywhere that sells them new?

[bishopkris40]

They'll slowly appear on ebay etc again now the TI is stable. But look at soundcontrol.co.uk, I bought my TI from there.

If I were you I'd put the extra money up for the TI only if I was sure I could afford it,sometimes I find myself wishing I had just bought a C and a good sound card, but as the updates get better I find myself happy as can be.


By the way Hyper saw is currently so under-rated as it is hardly used, most of the patches are still using loads of unison etc to get phatter sounds, but I think that'll change soon. (Is it normal for access to release new sounds with later OS releases?, there are still 2046 patches in ROM to be over-written)

As for MK2, Access are taking a lot of stick at the moment because people are having problems, they will iron these all out before deciding if they will go to a TI-B or just change to something else, (imo)

This synth will never leave my set-up as I'm sure many people feel about the previous models, so it doesn;t really matter what you buy you'll love it, it only matters if you are the sort of person who has regrets and will sit an pine for the TI's features if you buy a C.

I have the full TI-K and I can tell you it has excellent keys and will be my main controller from now on, as it can also do remotes.


(pity I can't play the bloody thing :shock: )

Cheers
Kris

[soulidstate]

MV,check the bottom of the page of this link. There's a virus KC waiting for you across the Atlantic.I think it's cheaper to get it from the US.

http://www.novamusik.com/search.aspx?type=Manufacturer&keyword=20

[mrvinyl]

hmmm, yes they are cheaper, but do they come with american power supplys and I spose I might have to pay tax

anyway i'll email them and find out

ta

[mrvinyl]

well ive joined the virus gravy train and finally ordered my full octave virus TI keyboard today, do I get a welcome present from infected.org? :lol:

[Hollowcell]

Welcome from inekted.org!
That's your present. Yeah its not much, but it's better than nothing though right?

[aisling]

I owned a Ti for 26 days, and loved it!!!, But it had to many "issues" at the time, and frankly I was not impressed by the "TI" part of it. The sounds were amazingly virus, but the value was not there. I returned it for a "C" and feel like it was the best move until the TI2 is released with MANY improvements.