reKon audio Releases VST Virus C Editor

[lanrosta]

reKon audio? today, announces the release of their VST Virus C Editor 1.1 for Mac and PC. The VST Virus C Editor offers advanced control of the Access Virus? A, B, C, Indigo I & II, Classic, Rack and Rack XL synthesizers. Complete with a stunning GUI that emulates the Virus C. Please the product page for more info.

For more information about the VST Virus Editor please visit the rekon audio ? web site at: http://www.rekonaudio.com.

This editor WILL WORK on the Access Virus A, B, C, Indigo I & II, Rack, Rack XL and Classic models.[/b]

http://www.rekonaudio.com/images/VSTVirusEditorC_SS.jpg

[mr.e]

FREAKIN GREAT WOOOOHHHHHHHAAAAAA!!!!! :D :D

yes i've been waiting for over a year for this day yes!!!

[Ronkaz]

Is there a demo version available?

R

[lanrosta]

Is there a demo version available?

No demo available yet, but you are welcome to try the VST Pulse Editor Demo for free. If that works (i.e. loads and sends midi data out of it), then this one will work fine too.

Thanks,
reKon audio

[jasedee]

Great news!

Can you tell us why we should pick your product over the Vyzor editor?

Does anyone else have any thoughts on the two products? I see that the Psicraft Vyzor Virus will soon allow editing of Multis. Is this possible with the Rekon editor?

I guess for only USD$50 each, I can always buy both...

:)

Jase

[mr.e]

vyzor is not out yet for starters :)

[jasedee]

vyzor is not out yet for starters :)
Smart arse!!!! ;)

Well of course not....but it will be (I hope)

[lanrosta]

1. About Multi Support... Vyzor makes the statement that Multis will work in their product. This will be a difficult task for them achieve in a VST host app for the reasons below. If it's a standalone solution, then who cares? We've been doing that for years now with sysex apps.

All Multi communication gets handled via sysex data [page C], (not CC or CP messages). While it is not a problem building a VST to send the sysex data, the problem is in finding a VST host that supports sysex from a VST. There are only two ATM for PC (VST Host and possibly Cubase SX3) that support this. So, this is why there is not much development in the sysex area for the reKon audio VST's. I am not sure why Vyzor has not mentioned this hard learned fact, but it will be a hurdle. As a VST developer, I know the obstacles involved. It appears they may not.

2. It's already available from reKon audio in Mac and PC format and works on ALL Virus machines (not TI, of course).

3. It's half the price of the Vyzor product.

4. [edited out in the interests of fairness. Potential customers themselves can decide if it "looks better" - or not - than another competing product. ~ Timo]

5. Excellent support from an industry provider of MIDI plugins.

6. You can visually see every parameter of patch in the reKon product.

7. Do you really need more reasons? Once you use it, you will definately see the value it returns and why it's a smarter way to work with your patches right inside your sequencer host (i.e. along with your music). ;-)

Cheers,
lanrosta - reKon audio

[mr.e]

i have 1 question...if I buy this and I install it on my pc as a vst ...can I later when I buy my mac pro switch the plugin onto there as audio unit with the same license?

when will audio unit support be out?

[ten]

4. It looks better than the Vyzor product. Indigo skin coming soon too!

Sorry, wouldnt agree with that at all. Far to much info on the one screen. Its hard to find specific areas/knobs quickly, the read outs are to small so you have to get right up to the screen to read stuff (not good for daw people who are sitting in the sweet spot of thier speaker monitors 3ft+ away), it takes up to much of the screen so you would have to keep moving it or closing it which is a pain in the arse and it generally looks un-appealing to use (over-complicated.)

One of the major plus points of a software editor IS the ease of use GUI, and this is not. I commend you for an excellet piece of software (if it works ;) It will really be an asset to the previous version virus owners, but the Vyzor version wins hands down on presentation and graphics.

I would rethink doing multi-panels like the vyzor (and the TI virus control) for the next version, maybe even have the choice of a single panel or multi panels.....it would make it a MUCH better product (and competitive with vyzor.)

ten

[lanrosta]

i have 1 question...if I buy this and I install it on my pc as a vst ...can I later when I buy my mac pro switch the plugin onto there as audio unit with the same license?

when will audio unit support be out?

No, you must pay for a PC or Mac version (Single License use only). AU version may come out in the future. Not sure yet.

Thanks,
lanrosta

[mr.e]

larosta: too bad audio unit dosn't get the same priority.


hey don't you need midi quest to run that virus vyzor?

[lanrosta]

Vyzor version wins hands down on presentation and graphics

I find this laughable. Just look at their knobs man? Really crappy knobs! Also, if you are content with scrolling through pages to find your params, then, what's the point of an editor? the synth can already do this.

If you're standing three feet away from your PC, then no editor will even be of use anyway, I mean, you're not actually at the PC using it?

(over-complicated)?
Well, the Virus is a complicated synth with over 170 controls.... It should look complicated... What, does it intimidate you?

Multi panels are used for the Delay/Reverb section ATM because they are modal. It's simple to integrate multi pages in the VST, but I prefer offering ALL controls right up front for visual comparisons between patches.

Visual appearance is always an opinionated topic. No offense ten, but I think you need glasses.

lanrosta

[Edit. The thread is an advert, which already infringes the rules (http://www.infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=24252), but it's relevant so therefore at least try to remain impersonal. People will decide if - or not, as the case may be - they need glasses, or if another competing product has "crappy knobs", etc.. Stick to facts, not slagging off other's products or harassing potential customers while on this forum! ~ Timo (Apologies for the late response).]

[dogcow]

you could always make it optional, lanrosta. telling customers they need glasses is no way to sell a product, btw ;)

can we have a demo please?

[lanrosta]

telling customers they need glasses is no way to sell a product, btw

Oh, I know. He was speculating, and I don't think he wants it anyways, which is by all means ok. I have an opinion too. I did state 'No offense', so don't take it personally ten. Our two cents just happen to be different coins. ;-)

lanrosta

[ten]

Well, you're going to sell a lot with that attitude pal. YOU listen to what your customers want, YOU dont tell them how they should alter thier work methods to fit your shitty product.

And you even have to resort to slagging off a competitors product. Sad dude, very sad indeed. I had some moderate respect for you with this slightly original and innovative product. Now I hope you make no money from it

[Edit. No mention of warez here, thnx. ~ Timo]

ten

[dogcow]

can we please keep this on topic, guys? i'm really interested in the vst, and i'd prefer it if this thread stayed informative, rathen than became a flame war.

another question, if i open (say) 5 instances of the vst, can i control, that way, a multi?

[ten]

I find this laughable. Just look at their knobs man? Really crappy knobs! Also, if you are content with scrolling through pages to find your params, then, what's the point of an editor? the synth can already do this.
lanrosta

The TI Vcontrol and powercore Virus are exactly like this, you dont see ANYONE asking for all the options/params on one page, you seem to be alone with this thought (or to lazy to implment it.)


If you're standing three feet away from your PC, then no editor will even be of use anyway, I mean, you're not actually at the PC using it?
lanrosta

I sit 3-4ft from my PC in the sweet spot of my monitors (like 99% of daw users) and I can see everything perfectly. Wouldnt be able to read shit though on your poorly thought out plug with "crappy knobs."


(over-complicated)?
Well, the Virus is a complicated synth with over 170 controls.... It should look complicated... What, does it intimidate you?
lanrosta

Why complicate something that can be simple? No one wants to make something harder than it needs be. Im aware the virus is a complex synth, thats why Access breaks it down into the relevant sections on different pages. Something you seem to have trouble understanding.


Multi panels are used for the Delay/Reverb section ATM because they are modal. It's simple to integrate multi pages in the VST, but I prefer offering ALL controls right up front for visual comparisons between patches.
lanrosta

Well, did you make the editor purely for yourself? No, I am sure I will not be the only one complaining about this editors gui, layout, poor though-out size/read outs.


Visual appearance is always an opinionated topic.
lanrosta

Exactly, and the opinions of the people who will be buying this are the important ones.....worth taking notes boy.

ten

[lanrosta]

Why should I respond to this type of behavior?

Dude, I said "No offense". Get over yourself ten.

First off, you're NOT a customer... so I'm neither telling you what you should do...and now that i know what you're like, listening to YOU any longer. I may have been blunt in my previous post (no more so than you were), but now you are just terribly RUDE!

The editor will stand on it's own merit. I think people will be able to guage the quality of your character and opinions on this board by your last posts ten.

Peace,
lanrosta

[ten]

Your editor has no merits compared to the Vyzor one, apart from the fact it is available now (but probably doesnt work anyway.) I could of been a customer as I have a virus C in another studio but you'll be glad I wont be purchasing your editor (if I did I would surely pass it around the net for free anyway.)

The people of this forum know my charecter very well already, they wont be shocked or suprised. And seeing as YOU'RE the newbie around here (and trying to tout some half-asses product) I should worry about how you come across in future pal :)

ten

[mr.e]

howcome audio unit users are left out of this for now..I waited so long

[lanrosta]

can we please keep this on topic, guys? i'm really interested in the vst, and i'd prefer it if this thread stayed informative, rathen than became a flame war.

another question, if i open (say) 5 instances of the vst, can i control, that way, a multi?

Hi dogcow,
Yes, you can simply create a VST for each midi channel (say, 16 of them) and put your Virus into Multi mode. Then make sure each editor's MIDI channels are set to the appropriate MIDI channels. Now you can control each Multi's channel with an editor. ;-)

lanrosta

[lanrosta]

howcome audio unit users are left out of this for now..I waited so long

Yeah, sorry mr.e, I haven't dug into the AU SDK enough yet to port it over. The VST versions keep me pretty busy. I do intend to offer it at some point, however, I can't give a solid date for it yet.

Thanks,
lanrosta

[dogcow]

that is great, lanrosta. thanks for the reply.

a demo would still be nice :)

[lanrosta]

Sure thing.

I'll try and get a demo for it soon. All reKon demos allow you to adjust only a few parameters, not all of them, so they don't allow "full control" like the full version does. Still, I know people like to check out demos first, so i'll see if I can make that happen sometime soon.

Thanks,
lanrosta

[soulidstate]

I think I'll try out the demo version first. Pls keep us posted.

[dlb]

I bought this yesterday. Still getting used to work with it and is a little strange trying to adapt to it all being on screen. Reponds pretty well in real time. I'm more a twiddler of presets kinda guy and starting from init is proving a challenge to get any decent sounds yet.

Very simple to set up within cubase. For logic au users can you not vst wrap it? I'll test it at some point this week for you guys and let you know if it will work like that.

Only let downs on the product so far are. No documentation at all (no biggie really) and no included presets to get you started. But i'm sure it going to be great once i get into prgramming it more.

[soulidstate]

Thanks for the heads up dlb. :D Pls keep us posted.

[mr.e]

yeah I would love to know if you can vst wrap it for use in logic 7 pro ..thanks man i'll be waiting to hear more about that.

[dogcow]

does it read existing patches/patch names from the virus? can you access all banks?

[dlb]

does it read existing patches/patch names from the virus? can you access all banks?

Not that i know off or could see so far. Would be good if you could then adjust them on screen. But think a case of programming form scratch. :cry:

[dogcow]

then maybe a separate, stand alone, application could be provided that imports all patches into a database, from which the vst would then read them.

[dlb]

an app that could convert virus patches into the vst patches would be a great idea.

[dogcow]

indeed. in fact, it is such a positively brilliant idea, that i'd like a free copy of the editor, just because i shared it here :)

[jasedee]

WOW! I think the kittens need to put the claws away ;)

Back into your corners boys!

Im going to buy this product, because really, at USD$50 it is a steal. Just waiting on the new credit card period...

Will give a comprehensive review once I have it up and running.

[dlb]

just noticed in the description on the site says " You can even dump existing hardware patches right into the editor to see what's going on and reshape them."

gonna try this tonight. will report later on results and whether works wrapped as a audio unit.

[dogcow]

that'd be great, dlb.

[dlb]

not worked out how to use the patches yet might wait for the manual on that point.

But have wrapped it to a au. Seems to load fine with no problems in logic express 7.1. Not sure how to set it up in logic though. anyone want to give me a guiding hand to test it for you guys? From looks of things though will work fine.

[mr.e]

wow cool!! works in logic sounds great

[teknobryan]

if you turn a knob on your Virus, will the Rekon knobs turn too?

[cleverr1]

if you turn a knob on your Virus, will the Rekon knobs turn too?

Yes, but you have to create a track enabling the MIDI output from the Virus to point to to the input of the Rekon.

Lanrosta,
About making this useable as a library/editor:
I figured out how to do a single patch Controller Dump from the Virus C. However, I do not relish the prospect of repeating this process for every patch!

Could you please provide the Virus factory sets as patches that can be loaded into your editor? Or is there a way of initiating a full Controller dump from a Virus C that I am unaware of? The usefulness of this tool depends on having a reasonable starting point, and in the absense of any standalone Sysex implementation I am left with just an empty box with loads of potential.

Also,
Version 1.1.2 doesn't work in Cubase 4.01.

Thanks,
Roger

[dlb]

if you turn a knob on your Virus, will the Rekon knobs turn too?

Yes, but you have to create a track enabling the MIDI output from the Virus to point to to the input of the Rekon.

Lanrosta,
About making this useable as a library/editor:
I figured out how to do a single patch Controller Dump from the Virus C. However, I do not relish the prospect of repeating this process for every patch!

Could you please provide the Virus factory sets as patches that can be loaded into your editor? Or is there a way of initiating a full Controller dump from a Virus C that I am unaware of? The usefulness of this tool depends on having a reasonable starting point, and in the absense of any standalone Sysex implementation I am left with just an empty box with loads of potential.

Also,
Version 1.1.2 doesn't work in Cubase 4.01.

Thanks,
Roger

how did you manage to do the single patch dump? thanks

[cleverr1]

"how did you manage to do the single patch dump? thanks"

Midi out from Virus C into Cubase SX track set with MIDI output to Rekon.
Then followed instructions in Virus manual regarding MIDI Tx dump (page 117 for Virus C - I think its in the system edit button menu), once you've selected Controller dump, hit the store button and the Virus transmits to the selected patch on the Rekon. However, it doesn't look like it's possible to do more than the current patch at any time using this method.

Roger

[teknobryan]

it's sad that to use this I have to pay more for the VST to AU wrapper than Rekon itself.

but are you serious about the knob thing!? that's awesome! so, you can either edit your Virus with the knobs on the screen OR the actual knobs on your Virus?

No more sysex dumps at the beginning of songs! (other than to load a patch from the Virus to Rekon)


Could you please explain the process involved in loading up a song that has the Rekon plugin? So you open it up and the settings on the Virus change without pressing play?

[cleverr1]

it's sad that to use this I have to pay more for the VST to AU wrapper than Rekon itself.

but are you serious about the knob thing!? that's awesome! so, you can either edit your Virus with the knobs on the screen OR the actual knobs on your Virus?

No more sysex dumps at the beginning of songs! (other than to load a patch from the Virus to Rekon)


Could you please explain the process involved in loading up a song that has the Rekon plugin? So you open it up and the settings on the Virus change without pressing play?

The knob thing happens when you allow the MIDI output of the virus to go to the Rekon. So in this case you use 3 tracks per part:
Rekon to Virus
All Inputs to Virus
All Inputs to Rekon

This configuration allows you to dump the current patch into the Rekon and twiddle the Virus to edit the sound. The Store Preset function in SX3 makes this useable. However, I can imagine this configuration getting pretty messy in a multi (/single) setup with a Rekon on each channel. The lack of sysex ability cripples the functionality in this area anyway.

I'm looking forward to getting a manual that explains how we should be using this plugin. I was hoping for something that meant not having to touch the Virus itself, but sadly that's not happening here. However, on a positive note the idea of centralising all of the patch storage and tweaking within the DAW project is great. I could really use a full set of Virus presets to start with though. That would make this a far more presentable package IMHO.

Roger

[dlb]

Thanks for that, will have to try out the dump funciton over next couple of days.

Will have to contact rekon audio later though as noticed they have sent me the virus a editor not the virus c one.

[lanrosta]

if you turn a knob on your Virus, will the Rekon knobs turn too?

Yes, but you have to create a track enabling the MIDI output from the Virus to point to to the input of the Rekon.

Lanrosta,
About making this useable as a library/editor:
I figured out how to do a single patch Controller Dump from the Virus C. However, I do not relish the prospect of repeating this process for every patch!

Could you please provide the Virus factory sets as patches that can be loaded into your editor? Or is there a way of initiating a full Controller dump from a Virus C that I am unaware of? The usefulness of this tool depends on having a reasonable starting point, and in the absense of any standalone Sysex implementation I am left with just an empty box with loads of potential.

Also,
Version 1.1.2 doesn't work in Cubase 4.01.

Thanks,
Roger

Roger,
I am working on including a bank of presets. The problem with sysex dumps into the editor via midi is that no hosts support this sysex transfer to/from VSTs. But, perhaps a load sysex file may work. I'll look into this for future versions.

As to cubase 4.... that's a VST 3.0 app. they changed the MIDI spec in VST 3. The reKon plugins are VST 2.4 plugins. When the VST 3.0 SDK is available I'll look into updating it.

Thanks,
lanrosta

[cleverr1]

Roger,
I am working on including a bank of presets. The problem with sysex dumps into the editor via midi is that no hosts support this sysex transfer to/from VSTs. But, perhaps a load sysex file may work. I'll look into this for future versions.

As to cubase 4.... that's a VST 3.0 app. they changed the MIDI spec in VST 3. The reKon plugins are VST 2.4 plugins. When the VST 3.0 SDK is available I'll look into updating it.

Thanks,
lanrosta

Hi Lanrosta,
If you could include a facilty to read .syx files then that would be killer! Anything provided in any other format could be converted to .syx with a sysex tool and the synth itself.

Cubase 4 does not appear to let controller information out from anything VSTi. I've tried it with pitch / mod wheel from Pro 53 and the Pro 53 sends nothing anywhere.

http://knowledgebase.steinberg.net/147_1.html

Has a statement that VST 2.4 plugins and instruments are fully compatible with Cubase 4. - This is clearly not the case. :?

It must be as frustrating for developers trying to release worthwhile and innovative products in this environment as it is for us end users.:(

I look forward to those banks.
Thanks,

Roger

[lanrosta]

Roger,
I am working on including a bank of presets. The problem with sysex dumps into the editor via midi is that no hosts support this sysex transfer to/from VSTs. But, perhaps a load sysex file may work. I'll look into this for future versions.

As to cubase 4.... that's a VST 3.0 app. they changed the MIDI spec in VST 3. The reKon plugins are VST 2.4 plugins. When the VST 3.0 SDK is available I'll look into updating it.

Thanks,
lanrosta

Hi Lanrosta,
If you could include a facilty to read .syx files then that would be killer! Anything provided in any other format could be converted to .syx with a sysex tool and the synth itself.

Cubase 4 does not appear to let controller information out from anything VSTi. I've tried it with pitch / mod wheel from Pro 53 and the Pro 53 sends nothing anywhere.

http://knowledgebase.steinberg.net/147_1.html

Has a statement that VST 2.4 plugins and instruments are fully compatible with Cubase 4. - This is clearly not the case. :?

It must be as frustrating for developers trying to release worthwhile and innovative products in this environment as it is for us end users.:(

I look forward to those banks.
Thanks,

Roger



More of that good old Steinberg quality! :roll:
Yes, it can be frustrating especially with MIDI plug ins.

Thanks,
lanrosta

[dvbfilth]

If any Logic 7 Pro users have figured out a way to get this running I'd be interested to hear it! I have it wrapped with a VST to AU wrapper, but cant for the life of me figure out how to route the midi so both the Virus and the VST pick it up!

[Ronkaz]

More of that good old Steinberg quality! :roll:
Yes, it can be frustrating especially with MIDI plug ins.

Thanks,
lanrosta

Actually Virus Control ( and I guess Virus Powercore ) run perfect in Cubase 4. They can't break so much...

R

p.s.: demo? please?

[jasedee]

Just bought/downloaded it....

Using Cubase SX3 on a Mac G5 s/p 1.6GHZ, 2 GIG RAM OSX 10.4 Havent had a chance to play yet, will get back to you ASAP regarding how it is working out.

Some documentation would've been nice. Some people out there wont know that they have to find the plugin folder in Mac HD-Library etc etc...

The GUI is OK... but honestly I think the GUI on the Vyzor version suits my workflow better. Just personal preference...

more to come!

Jase

[altair]

dry i cant get this to work at all in logic pro 7.2.3

i converted it to AU using the fxpansion converter [v1.50.02] but it doesnt pass validation, however i can open it as an "incompatible" plugin but have no idea whatsoever how to get it rigged up to the virus so that when i play a note on the audio instrument channel it triggers the virus. One thing that kinda works is when i move a knob on my virus it moves a knob on the editors screen but thats not much use seeing as i cant get any sound, also i want to be able to move the knobs on screen to control the virus but this doesnt seem to work either

i also cant figure out how to load up my virus's memory/patches into it, this was the main reason i got it, i have tons of my own patches iv created and wanted to be able to edit them visually within my host program but if i have to wipe my virus clean and program everything from scratch then its basically made this product worthless to me :?

lanrosta : when an au version comes out will i be able to get that for free seeing as i purchased the vst version [with the sole intention of wrapping it to AU] ? id be using it on the same mac 8)

[cleverr1]

Actually Virus Control ( and I guess Virus Powercore ) run perfect in Cubase 4. They can't break so much...

R


What does that have to do with Cubase 4 not allowing a VSTi to transmit CCs?

[jasedee]

Works well here (OSX10.4, CB SX3)

Took me a little while to figure it out though...didnt know you needed 2 MIDI channels per patch. Would've been nice to have some documentation.

It's a great program, congrats to the designers and all at Rekon!

Cant wait till the Vyzor one comes out aswel....they are that cheap, there's no issue owning both

[dogcow]

a demo would still be nice :(

[EliPsE]

i did the 3 midi tracks stated above. and i still can't get the editor to edit the actual virus and vice versa.
any help appreciated

edit::
I'm running Cubase sx 3 /virus c / radium 61 connected with USB.
Rekon to Virus
All Inputs to Virus
All Inputs to Rekon

Is how i have it connected

When i have it this way and press a key it goes crazy the virus sounds like its playing double, and ends up freezing for a little bit.
MY virus channel is set up to channel 3 in the virus and on the midi tracks as well. i can see the in/out blinking in the vst editor

[dlb]

Try it with just the one channel first. Place the vst on the midi in channel and then try tweaking. If not try emailing rekonaudio support i'm sure they will help you out.

Will have ago at trying to dump some patches this week. Will post any up i manage to do. anyopne else up for sharing some patches for the vst?

[EliPsE]

ahh i finally figured it out. It needed the
Midi control : LoPage set to Contrl instead of SysEX
I'm using 3 channels per part now and I'm able to dump my patches.
So far its working great :lol:

[altair]

still no love with logic or ableton, guess its never gonna work :(

[Danny Vandal]

still no love with logic or ableton, guess its never gonna work :(

I was about to fork out til I saw this - I'm planning on getting Live 6 so I need to be sure the VST's gonna work!

[Danny Vandal]

OK, I've got Live 6 now so has anyone tried the two together yet?

[EliPsE]

I'll test it with live 6 and let you know

[cleverr1]

Over a month since I last posted here and:


1) Still no presets made available.
2) Still no manual.
3) Doesn't work in Cubase 4 (However, I do accept that due to the lack of a VST3 SDK this is no fault of Rekon).

Lanrosta, could you please meet us halfway here and provide the factory presets in a format the editor can load? IMHO the VSTi editor is a great idea that currently falls short of the mark because of the lack of presets and documentation.

Thanks,

Roger

[Danny Vandal]

I'll test it with live 6 and let you know

Much appreciated :)

[dlb]

Over a month since I last posted here and:


1) Still no presets made available.
2) Still no manual.
3) Doesn't work in Cubase 4 (However, I do accept that due to the lack of a VST3 SDK this is no fault of Rekon).

Lanrosta, could you please meet us halfway here and provide the factory presets in a format the editor can load? IMHO the VSTi editor is a great idea that currently falls short of the mark because of the lack of presets and documentation.

Thanks,

Roger

yes have to agree some presets and documentation wouldn't go amiss.

[LunarSoundDesign]

This program is almost useless without some sort of patch manager/librarian. Also no demo is a joke.

[altair]

yup, not impressed whatsoever, poor product, poor company, poor support.

stay away from it.

[Mayday Dream]

It seems ok to me so far.

But I cant get it to control the FX on my virus. everything else is fine.

Havent figured out how to dump my virus presets into it yet (if thats at all possible)

and yes the fonts are too small to read. BUT i think after a few hours working i will remember where everything is

[cleverr1]

Roger,
I am working on including a bank of presets. The problem with sysex dumps into the editor via midi is that no hosts support this sysex transfer to/from VSTs. But, perhaps a load sysex file may work. I'll look into this for future versions.
lanrosta

Lanrosta,
Is there any news about presets and/or an update?

Thanks,
Roger

[djones]

Could someone tell me, how to get this thing working in Cubase SX 3?

[jasedee]

Could someone tell me, how to get this thing working in Cubase SX 3?
You need to go into [Devices- VST Instruments] and load up the Rekon editor in one of the slots.

Then you need to set up 2 MIDI tracks.

[MIDI 1] Input = VST Virus Editor
[MIDI 1] Output = Virus C

[MIDI 2] Input = Controller (I use my DX7 IIFD - For you it could be your Virus)
[MIDI 2] Outpur = VST Virus Editor

"Arm" (or Record Ready) both tracks and you should be set to go...

Hope you work it out!

Merry X-mas!!!!!

[lanrosta]

yup, not impressed whatsoever, poor product, poor company, poor support.

Are you even a registered user? Have you even requested support? How can you make claims like this without illustrating why you feel that way?

I support every customer personally, how many software companies out there will do that? I can't support every VST host, because they control how their software works, not me.

I don't make a real living off of selling these editors, it's supplemental income and in no way comes close to paying all the bills. So, this is why I don't have mucho time to put into the software all the time, I have to build other stuff like web sites to pay the bills.

As to the demo, manual and presets. Yes, they are important factors, but are in no way neccessary to use the software. The editor is designed to shape your patch in the DAW along with the music. It does that and more.

lanrosta

[Rusty O'Hara]

Hmm, intresting thread.

No need for me as I have a TI, but found from somewhere that there is also an editor for the Waldorf Pulse, so have grabbed the demo to check it out.

We'll see...

[cleverr1]

I don't make a real living off of selling these editors, it's supplemental income and in no way comes close to paying all the bills. So, this is why I don't have mucho time to put into the software all the time, I have to build other stuff like web sites to pay the bills.
lanrosta

I wish that you'd made a clear statement along these lines before I paid money for this.


As to the demo, manual and presets. Yes, they are important factors, but are in no way neccessary to use the software. The editor is designed to shape your patch in the DAW along with the music. It does that and more.
lanrosta

From the Rekon Audio Site:
"The reKon™ VST Virus C Editor is a realtime MIDI synth editor that allows you full control of every parameter of the sound on the Access Virus ™ synthesizers.

Now you can utilize your Virus to its full potential and build lasting and meaningful patches that will bring new life to your Virus, and more importantly, your music.You also maintain all your patches on the PC itself without the hassle of manual dumps.

All parameters are fully automatable and you can even use your favorite VST host, giving you the ability to visually program the Virus to your music via the host sequencer. This ability to model your synth patches in realtime, inside your main music production environment is part of what makes the reKon™ VST Virus Editor unique when compared to other hardware synth editors."

I bought this editor as a means to achieve the above. It does not provide a workable solution to the above. I have no use for a VSTi that merely tweaks parameters that can be tweaked and recorded from the Virus itself. The apparent lack of commitment to a timely completion of this product makes this the worst software purchase I have ever had the misfortune to make.

I want either a commitment to your ensuring that the product does everything your website claims in the very near future, or a refund.

I am very unhappy that I feel the need to lash out like this on a public forum.

[dogcow]

i installed this two weeks ago. opened it once, fiddled with it for about 15 minutes and then gave up on it. haven't touched it since. the main reason behind this is the layout. at 1280x1024 i can't read anything on the panel. i wouldn't mind programming my patches from scratch but just looking at it is making me blind.

it's still a great idea and could be extremely useful but not in its current state. just to give you an idea of how much of a hindrance this is, i've reverted back to using logic and sdiver every time i need to program a patch.

[jasedee]

Yeah, pretty much the same story here. Bought it, installed it, played with it for 10 minutes and havent touched it since.

Im still waiting for the Psicraft Vyzor version...

[mr.e]

is soundiver universal binary?

[jasedee]

is soundiver universal binary?
Nope...and it is discontinued if I remember correctly

[mr.e]

ya you reminded me ...it was made by emagic ...too bad apple didn't continue that soundiver ...

what other alternatives are there other than this reckon audio one cause I understand theres no multi patch management right? and its poor resolution.
Yes I know vizor has been claiming to come out for like a decade now :)
And I need it to be Universal binary or ppc whatever I as long as its mac
oh and one more thing...does the reckon work as stand alone ? if so that would be a cool feature since not everyone uses vst hosts now these days

[jasedee]

...does the reckon work as stand alone ? if so that would be a cool feature since not everyone uses vst hosts now these days
Yeah, im pretty sure it works standalone.

[cleverr1]

Yeah, im pretty sure it works standalone.

No, it's a VSTi only.

Unfortunately the word "works" could only be used in the broadest possible context with respect to the current release. This is such a great concept that misses the mark by some way. For this to be worth bothering with it needs:
1) Proper patch management - Ability to load library files produced by other editors and / or a standalone with the ability to run outside of the constraints of the VST environment to grab entire bank dumps from the Virus.
2) In the interim before 1) provision of at least the presets in a form (.fxb) it can read to give a reasonable starting point.
3) A more legible GUI.

I am concerned that the developer has now openly declared that his resource on this project is limited. IMHO this product could provide a unique function in its marketplace, making it a must have for anyone using a Virus with a DAW. - That would surely generate enough sales to make it worth the effort?

[synthetic]

Very nice looking editor! Good work.
For my old C I used a dumpster-prg and to fetch/dump all sounds in one bank I send this sysex from the PC:
Single Request:
Request=f0,00,20,33,01,u1,30,t1,s1,f7

To send it back to C...
Single Dump:
Send=f0,00,20,33,01,u1,10,t1,s1

Do you know how this string should look like in a TI, I want to do the same on my TI. Have asked Access but they seems not to give me the info...?

[mr.e]

so has anyone tried the sounddiver on mac intel yet ....I'm about to try post back soon

[mr.e]

the sounddiver 3.01 beta whatever is working smoothly here ...tested it for couple hours and everything works nice ...haven't tried the autolink feature yetl