recording automation with the TI within cubase

[mrvinyl]

excuse me for being a bit of a mumpty, but I cant seem to record the automation using TI within cubase, do I have to configure anything.

everythings working perfectly just can't record any automation. i.e. release, cutoff etc

[Drammy]

Can you record automation against other VSTs?

Just wondering if it is particular to the virus or not?

You should just be able to turn the Red W on for writing, record the automation and the turn the green R on for Reading. Apologies if you already know this...


Drammy

[mrvinyl]

all other vst's are fine, using the w and r function, just not the virus

[bishopkris40]

yeah, you have to add the part to the automation list, Simply right click on the part you want to add in Virus Control. Then you'll be fine, some are already added, but since you're asking then I'd try checking this.

Cheers
Kris

[///AznTi]

Word. What he said.

Also make sure to look on the bottom of Cubase where it will say VST instruments. Pull out the Access Synth TI section out and place it near your track this way you keep things a bit more organized.

Its there in that section where you will find the filter, cutoff, etc options to automate and tweak everything. Look by the + symbol :)

Remember to click R and W when recording your automation. When done simply shut off W. And watch that sucker play back what you did.

Piece of cake.

Hit me up if you need help meng :)

Hope that helps

[mrvinyl]

Got it working kinda.
here's the scenario

switched R and W on virus ti rightclicked on sustain and added to automation
but there's still bits of automation happening that shouldnt be, but when i open the piano roll of the track in cubase I cant see any automation, just system exclusive?

[bishopkris40]

in the arranger window is the best place to see your automation, if you use the right click on the arranger window and select show all used automation and then you should see everything that is being used ;)

[mrvinyl]

the arrange window in cubase?
if thats what you mean i've looked in there and its not displaying any controller data apart from velocity, the only other one with anything on is system exclusive.

While i'm here aswell, ever since I installed ti v 2.0 yesterday, i'm getting some major out of sync or latency thing happening

[bishopkris40]

I'm at work so can't check (and it's 4:40am here) I'll double check when I get up, in the arranger window where you can see all the midi and audio tracks there is a VST section that the TI VC is, in there you can expand it so that you can see all the control's VC is using. But if you try to right click on say midi channel 1's label area then you can select show used automation for all tracks.

It works on the window somewhere, I'm no Cubase guru so you'll have to experiment and you should see it.

As for the sync issue is this with arps? There is a standard practice to start your song at say 3.0.0.0 but let the sequencer start playing at 1.0.0.0 There seems to be some issues with the cubase time code settling, see if that helps.

I'm on Cubase SX 3, used 2.0 since I got it and have no issues, full automation and I can view it all, the only thing you cannot automate from the hardware and have to do in VC is the softknobs.

Hit me if you have issues
kris

[Drammy]

When you say arranger do you mean the arrangement window (ie the main Cubase window) or do you meant he key editor (the piano roll etc...)?

You will only get ControllerChange (CC) messages (like velocity, modulation etc...) in the key editor whereas the Arrangement widnow will display VST automation as well as CC messages - this is different to CC messages.

In the arrangement window, CC messages will appear on the MIDI event, whereas the VST automation is displayed by expanding the corresponding VST instrument / effect lanes.


You need to think in two realms - MIDI and Audio(inc VSTs).

MIDI uses CC messages (and SYSEX in some instances) to control parameter changes on a MIDI device (SYSEX is mainly used to dump/load patches and instrument configs).

VST is "relativley" new technology (as you are probably aware) and therefore not restricted to only 128 parameters like MIDI. Each available parameter in the VST effect or Instrument is mapped into the VST host so they are visible by expanding the + signs against the VST channel (not the MIDI channel - as Azanti and bishopkris40 explained)

So when you view MIDI in Cubase it is just that MIDI, nothing to do with VSTs or anything like that - hence why you can take one MIDI part and copy it to make another instrument play the same part.

Hope this makes sense and apologies if you already understand this - I don't mean to patronise...


Drammy

[///AznTi]

Got it working kinda.
here's the scenario

switched R and W on virus ti rightclicked on sustain and added to automation
but there's still bits of automation happening that shouldnt be, but when i open the piano roll of the track in cubase I cant see any automation, just system exclusive?

Just like Drammy said meng. You have to think in two realms. Midi and audio including VSTs :)

But I think I understand what you are doing. You are looking for the automation changes for example that piano roll on that track within cubase. Most likely you are clicking the midi event on that track and do not see the automation pass.

Just like I said in my other response....hehe :)

Go down to the VST Instruments section and look at the section Virus Ti Synth. Look for the (((+))) symbol then look for the exact automation event you just recorded. The reason why you do not see the event is because you are looking at the wrong location. You have to find the automation event you mapped on your piano roll.

Follow this example for a second. Lets say I automated Cutoff Filter 1 on midi channel 1 on the Virus Ti. My next step would go to the Virus Ti Synth in VST instruments and add (((+)))Cutoff Filter 1 on midi channel on the Virus Ti.
Make sure W is clicked and you will see the automation recorded. I hope this helps. And I do not mean to patronize as well. I want you to understand this so you can see the depth and greatness of VSTs and your Ti.

Now get to it and make us proud :) hehe



As for the sync issue is this with arps? There is a standard practice to start your song at say 3.0.0.0 but let the sequencer start playing at 1.0.0.0 There seems to be some issues with the cubase time code settling, see if that helps.

kris


Great tip. Didn't know that...hehe

[mrvinyl]

well i take it your on about the arrange window in cubase, well anyway why is the virus so hard to automate, what is the actual function of right clicking on a knob in ti and adding it to automation, what does that actually do?

[bishopkris40]

there are too many paramaters that can be automated in the TI, Access felt in their infinite wisdom that to have them all pre-installed would make it too messy to find what you're looking for. ball and ox! so by right clicking you are making yoou're own automation list that you can use. if the names not down it aint getting in! sort of crap but allows some users to have a simple drop down list. it does however add that option to every channel for the TI, so it's not like you have to add for every part.... but read on

Personally and on all my other gear I may add, I simply hit record and hey presto what I'm doing on the synth is recorded.

But with the TI it is a little different. You can make it happen this way everytime though. The automation set-up you make by right clicking is saved in the .fxb file for that project, by the way this is important!! it is good practice to one time set it up everyting you would like to automate, then export or save the .fxb file as you would save a patch with a normal softsynth.

At the same time you do this I'd advise you set up a start-up project template that you would use for everysong, the reason for this is that if you do the template now then all automation you have added will alway's be there.

I have to confirm this but sure this is what was wrong with the set-up I had tonight. The template only had a a couple of filter options, but on another song i can remember adding more to my list. simple option for me to go back to that project load it up save .fxb somewhere and then I can alway load it up.

shit does that make sense.

[danbeaulieu]

I can't wait to have these problems... tomorrow

[bishopkris40]

I really should just take the time to do the .fxb and post it somewhere, might save a lot of people the hassle. Dan, just load the tutorial song and you'll see how things are done ;)

[mrvinyl]

OK so I am getting there nearly now with the automation thanx lads!

BUT one small big problem, I am getting what sounds like release going full on over a particualr part I have wrote, it just keeps randomly coming on when it likes. but cant spot no automation or anything visual that is making this happen.

why??

what can I try

already tried checking all parts of automation, reseting virus, reseting devices within cubase.

This seems to have been happening since I installed v 2.0 but not sure whether thats the cause or not

any help would be great thanx

[Drammy]

Does it stop if you turn the Green R off - ie stop the TI reading the automation?

[mrvinyl]

doesnt make any difference whether R is on or not, it still keeps happening

I'm also getting some wierd pitch or detuning randomly happening on parts
Listen to the audio file here for a preview -
www.janetbradford.com/OLDSKOOLOK_VIRUS.mp3

On the 5th or 6th stab the sound starts changing, even though I have done
nothing to it and there is nothing in automation, it seems to happen at
random times aswell, which makes me think its nothing to do with automation
at all

bizarre

[bishopkris40]

in the patch can you check the mod matrix for any modulation settings, also the lfo settings, there are also some hidden pitch settings in the OSC menu have a look in there, if you use another patch with the midi file does it still change?

[///AznTi]

doesnt make any difference whether R is on or not, it still keeps happening

I'm also getting some wierd pitch or detuning randomly happening on parts
Listen to the audio file here for a preview -
www.janetbradford.com/OLDSKOOLOK_VIRUS.mp3

On the 5th or 6th stab the sound starts changing, even though I have done
nothing to it and there is nothing in automation, it seems to happen at
random times aswell, which makes me think its nothing to do with automation
at all

bizarre

I don't think that has anything to do with automation. Check your phasing and detune. Also look in the matrix and shut it off one by one and see if that fixes it.

And about time you posted a clip bro...LOL!

Just messing with ya.

Let us know what happens.

[mrvinyl]

Right for the time being I worked around the detuning problem by bouncing down and chopping audio parts that didnt have that problem, so i'll get back to that to suss it out as soon as poss.

anyway i'm on a deadline to finish a record, which is now finished apart from I am getting very slight digital crackles??? you can listen to the part here:

www.janetbradford.com/STRINGS_VIRUSCH10.mp3

about 10 seconds in you'll hear the crackles and near the end aswell, it only seems to be on this part which makes me think its not a soundcard/driver/asio issue? (even though it does seem like that, but all other parts are ok)

my records finished and this is the only bit that I cannot get rid of, maybe I should just leave the crackles there as it does replicate vinyl in a slight digital sort of way!!lol

if your listening on a laptop you'll find it hard to hear the crackles, maybe plug headphones in or use monitors

where is the sound coming from, is it on the virus sound itself? has anyone experienced the same thing?

any help asap so I can finally put this tune to bed

(p.s. the virus has caused me so much pain and wasted a lot of time making this record, but I couldn't have made it without some of the sounds!, access has me by the balls)

[mkbigmoz]

I had the same problems with clicks and pops... I think it has to do with your latency issues on your ASIO driver

[loudness]

Hi sorry to kinda hijack this thread but I´ve been searching and this title and context ist the closest I could find.

PROBLEM:

Cubase 5
MacBookPro
TiSnow
Os2.7.5

I´m trying to record the automation data from the LFO2.
I can record the filter just by switching on R&W and then start moving.
But this doesnt work for the LFO2 and others that are not listed as Controller Data in cubase.
So I looked up and tested the parameters, I found an old CC List so this would work. But I want it to work just like the filter. I don wan to have to draw. Any Idea why cubase "sees" the Filter One but not the LFO2?

Thanks

[ateuqram]

Hi, this is covered in the manual on "VC used under Cubase". make a right-click on the desired knob on VC surface and apply "add parameter to automation". this should make the parameter visible in the automation lane.

[loudness]

ah ok, sorry, I must have missed this, thank you!