why? (price increase)

[jenkzy56]

i just peeped sweetwater.com and the virus ti just shot up in price!
wtf!
it was $2,850 like yesterday and today its $3,280
430 increase for what? certainly not os 2.7 which according to many is hardly
ready for prime time.
i was in line to buy a polar but i'm going to have to seriously rethink that idea.
i am not a huge fan of softsynths but in light of this "price hike"
komplete 5 is not looking so bad right about now.

maybe i'm over-reacting but tell me virus owners, would you pay this
amount if you were buying your virus new today?
i would be most interested in hearing others views on this

peace

[Keith Phillips]

Wow. Definitely a price increase. I wonder why too... The little Waldorf Blofeld looks better every day I look at it and drool. :) lol

This stuff really sucks! I mean it's not like gas or any other bullshit in the USA is getting cheaper either! US economy is going down the tubes I tell ya! Everyone is making less money, prices are going up, and more people losing jobs or not finding any new ones. :(

I don't have a Virus yet (any type) and probably going to be a while before I can manage to get one. :( Thanks to the stupid timing belt in my car going out at 35,000 miles and destroying the engine beyond repair; had to buy a new car!

OK, there's my Tuesday rant. hehe :D

[seanpace]

I see on Zzounds it is going for $2,849.95

[Doc Jones]

man, that is insanely expensive. I think that is more than double what I paid for my TI desktop.

don't forget there is always ebay -
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=virus+ti&category0=

[marc]

i just peeped sweetwater.com and the virus ti just shot up in price!
wtf!
it was $2,850 like yesterday and today its $3,280
430 increase for what? certainly not os 2.7 which according to many is hardly
ready for prime time.
i was in line to buy a polar but i'm going to have to seriously rethink that idea.
i am not a huge fan of softsynths but in light of this "price hike"
komplete 5 is not looking so bad right about now.

the euro price for the TI line of product has not been changed since day one. as you might know, the euro/dollar exchange rate has changed dramatically in the recent month. the increase in price only compensates for that change.

we are totally aware of the fact that a more expensive product is less attractive but if you take into account that economically it doesn't make sense to sell a product with a virtually non-existing profit margin you might understand why this step was necessary.

best, marc
access music

[Khazul]

About time - Im sick to death of companies ripping off europeans (and others to be fair) due to some twisted way of accounting for the lousey state of the dollar.

Hats off to access for having the balls to do it - it must have been a really hard decision and Im sure it will probably hit them, but its really good that they (unlike nord and others) remember they are european and didnt take the apprently easy route of rippig of europeans to make up the shortfall.

I just wish all other synth companies would start playing fair and doing this too, until then, Roland, Dave Smith, Nord Korg heres a STFU from everyone in europe - were tired of subsidising your losses you take in the US to maintain current US prices.

As for winging americans - your problem - you sort it out - your leaders did this to you - not access - vote them out, have a bloody coup - i dont care etc but whatever you do - stop expecting us to pay for it.

[LivePsy]

Hear hear Khazul! Australia also pays much more than the USA, or at least used to pay more. The reality is that USA is a large economy, but its no longer the most important economy.

The local distributor system is getting to be a hindrance too. Sure encourage locals to buy through you with a competitive price on the international market, but refusing to repair a unit under warranty because you didn't sell it - that's extortion.

Mind you Khazul, I'm not sure changing the US government is enough to fix the US financial condition.

Cheers,
B

[jenkzy56]

well i'm happy to see so many responses to my earlier post
especialy from the fine folk at access who graciously stated their position
in a way that makes perfect sense to me considering the precarious nature
of the U.S. Dollar at this point in time.

as concerns the leadership of the country we are sorting that out even as i write this post thank you very much!

i will be buying a polar in spite of the recent "spike" because i am a firm
believer in quality above all else, having said that, when the Dollar once again takes its rightful place above the euro and yen but just beneath the British Pound i fully expect a rebate.

and a good day to you all

[AlexHall74]

Has anyone checked if the used instrument market has responded to this adjustment in Access's pricing policy? Maybe there is still time for a good deal on eBAY or some other non-retail exchange? Economics can be a bitch.

And while yes, the U.S. Government does have its fair share of politicians and bonafide elected officials who have their heads up their asses, so does every country in Europe, and every other part of the world for the matter. Your political scum is no better than ours so don't pretend your shit doesn't stink.

Even if you vote the current idiots out of any regime you have done nothing to stop the special interest groups that hold significant and real power. The whole fucking world is for sale, blokes. Get your synths and other shit while you can!!!

:)

[adrian23]

it's still 2,650 canadian in long and mcquade for either ti keyboard or polar...now that's cheap:)

[adrian23]

oh, and for brand new apogee ensemble i payed 1450, sweetwater has it for 1995, and that's again in canadian dollars.

[LivePsy]

In dollar value per sounds, the TI must be one of the 'best value' synths. I have spent so much on other keyboards and not gotten the sounds I want.

Cheers,
B

[Khazul]

Has anyone checked if the used instrument market has responded to this adjustment in Access's pricing policy? Maybe there is still time for a good deal on eBAY or some other non-retail exchange? Economics can be a bitch.

And while yes, the U.S. Government does have its fair share of politicians and bonafide elected officials who have their heads up their asses, so does every country in Europe, and every other part of the world for the matter. Your political scum is no better than ours so don't pretend your shit doesn't stink.


Very true - but our political scum isnt manging to screw up the global economy quite so successfully :)


Even if you vote the current idiots out of any regime you have done nothing to stop the special interest groups that hold significant and real power. The whole fucking world is for sale, blokes. Get your synths and other shit while you can!!!

:)

In my perfect little world - voting doesnt come into it :) You put the f***ers up against the wall and shoot them :)

[AlexHall74]

Khazul wrote:
Very true - but our political scum isnt manging to screw up the global economy quite so successfully


Ha! No doubt about that, our president gets the dickhead of the year award for sure for that one.


Khazul wrote:
In my perfect little world - voting doesnt come into it You put the f***ers up against the wall and shoot them

Looks like you and I have similar wishes for a perfect little world, talk is cheap, due process for the obviously guilty is a waste of time, money, and common sense. ;)

[LivePsy]

I don't see why a figure head, or a government in general screws up the economy - even if they wanted to. Unless you want to blame them for not enforcing stricter policies in lending. And that's like blaming McDonalds for making you fat.

The current US recession is caused by greed from thousands of individuals. People who couldn't afford something but borrowed for it anyway, Loan brokers who made money out of the borrowers even though they knew the borrower couldn't afford it, corporations who bought these loans. Its all risky, but no one forced them to do it. There ought to be a depression, its the same kind of steps which happened in the '20s - margin loans being called in. This time around the government gave out cash to get the economy started again, they should have really stood back and said "sorry its gonna hurt for a while..."

No change of government in the US would have caused a different outcome. Its what, 10% of the population who vote? But its 99% of the population who are greedy.

Cheers,
B

[psy604]

just for comparison:

the retail price in Germany for a new TI Desktop kept stable at 1.699€
... and 2nd hand ones that are traded on eBay for around 1.250€
(the current exchange rate is 1 € : 1.58515$ )

[plaid_emu]

About time - Im sick to death of companies ripping off europeans (and others to be fair) due to some twisted way of accounting for the lousey state of the dollar.

Hats off to access for having the balls to do it - it must have been a really hard decision and Im sure it will probably hit them, but its really good that they (unlike nord and others) remember they are european and didnt take the apprently easy route of rippig of europeans to make up the shortfall.

I just wish all other synth companies would start playing fair and doing this too, until then, Roland, Dave Smith, Nord Korg heres a STFU from everyone in europe - were tired of subsidising your losses you take in the US to maintain current US prices.

As for winging americans - your problem - you sort it out - your leaders did this to you - not access - vote them out, have a bloody coup - i dont care etc but whatever you do - stop expecting us to pay for it.

The irony you fail to grasp is the European banking cartels did this to the world. The REAL powers on this planet are not Presidents, Prime Ministers and Politicians. It's the central banks. They are ALL modeled on the European banking system which has been taking advantage of EVERYONE for centuries. They OWN our Federal Reserve System which prints the USD and sets our interest rates here.

Does the name Rothschild ring a bell? One of the handful of European dynasties that play chess with our nations every day.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8010084094366021628&q=the+money+masters&ei=3_4PSILjLKPQ4gKptZifBA&hl=en

This is why our founding father's laid down the rules of issuing of currency in the constitution. We've let the criminals change the rules. We've ignored the warnings of heroes like Andrew Jackson who battled this scum in the past. We've been too "busy" with fucking college football games and the Anna Nicole Smith "whodunnit" murder mystery to give a damn, so we will suffer.

[psy604]

in the last part of that movie (http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/main.htm) it's explained very well, too.

and war may have delayed the downward spiral, but cannot stop it ...

[Legion]

i just peeped sweetwater.com and the virus ti just shot up in price!
wtf!
it was $2,850 like yesterday and today its $3,280
430 increase for what? certainly not os 2.7 which according to many is hardly
ready for prime time.
i was in line to buy a polar but i'm going to have to seriously rethink that idea.
i am not a huge fan of softsynths but in light of this "price hike"
komplete 5 is not looking so bad right about now.

maybe i'm over-reacting but tell me virus owners, would you pay this
amount if you were buying your virus new today?
i would be most interested in hearing others views on this

peace
Thats a bit too expensive, I got my TI Keyboard for $1,900. I became friends with the manager at a guitar center here and for me that really low price. Yikes! thats too much. Sweet water tends to over price things. I saw the waldorf Rack Pheonix for $699 I believe and a couple of days later it boosted up at $999. Too crazy

[4NDRW]

looks like good timing for me...
Im about to buy either a snow or a desktop from the US
the AU$ vs US$ is really in my favour right now
Novamusik are raising their prices next week..
http://www.novamusik.com/search.aspx?type=Manufacturer&keyword=20&mid=20

the relative exchange rates between the euro and the US were the reasons given by the novamusik guy for the impending price increase too

[4NDRW]

i'd like to buy it locally
but there is no way i could afford it
($1,695.55 + shipping + tax ~$2000AU vs $3800AU local (tax included))

most music gear, especially specialised things like synths, appear approximately double the price here compared to the online US retailers etc
i guess its a small market
and i think the aus distributors must have a huge mark up

(this isn't access specific.. EVERYTHING is expensive here)


but yeh, i'm getting mine soon :) :) :) :)

[pinetar]

I'm done, will look elsewhere. access could have lowered the price to work on volume, didn't happen, or worn us to buy by the first or face an increase, didn't happen.

All they have now is one unhappy camper. Drek.

[soulidstate]

Good thing I got my Snow a few weeks back at pre order price from Novamusik. Now it's $400 more expensive.

[AlexHall74]

Good thing I got my Snow a few weeks back at pre order price from Novamusik. Now it's $400 more expensive.
Hah! Way to go! Rub salt into an open wound! I love this place.

:)

Alas, as all other things expensive, we find a way to make them ours, even if it means eating Ramen noodles again for a few months...

[LivePsy]

If you can find anything with the features of the virus, and sounds like a virus then buy it. Good luck with that ;)

B

[AlexHall74]

If you can find anything with the features of the virus, and sounds like a virus then buy it. Good luck with that ;)

B
Nicely put! The Virus is a beast all its own, no doubt of that. It's worth every penny I paid for mine, and I sure as hell would buy another if mine were lost or stolen.

[Timo]

If I completely lost my studio in a freak event, the Virus would be the first thing I'd re-buy. If I was FORCED to sell off my studio for funds, the Virus would be the last thing I'd sell. I'll probably take it to the coffin with me.

If buying new is too expensive, buy second hand off of eBay or the like. Picked up my Indigo for £400 about 4 yrs ago on there. I'm sure you'd be able to get a good deal on a TI.

Don't give up!

[jenkzy56]

i would never have guessed my original post would keep on keeping on
but here we are 3 pages deep and counting...cool
anyway, i've got my polar coming from sweetwater very soon,
they sold it to me at the pre- price increase rate (i had started the proccess
about a week earlier)

i tried to make it clear to my sales engineer that while i understood
the economic situation as regards the dollar vs the euro
no warning of this increase was given or hinted at as far as i knew.
to make a long story short, we worked it out.
so,when they get some new ones in stock i will have my
frosty beauty!
oh well i will just have to make do with my new fantom G8
when it arrives tomorrow or saturday.

peace,

jenkzy

[AlexHall74]

Poor you, having to play with your Fantom G8 whilst you wait for your polar. I cannot stop the tears from flowing, you poor, poor soul.

;)

Nice combo there!!!

[jenkzy56]

i know
an embarrassment of riches to be sure.
believe me, it took a long time to get the dough together
to upgrade my little home studio.
next on my list is the very unglamorous world of
room treatment

peace,

jenkzy

[AlexHall74]

Hey Jenkzy56,

Embarassment hell, that's a great feat to have bought those bits of kit as you have, good for you, no shame in that, I'm just teasing.

If you're looking into room treatment, you've probably seen this, but I'll post it anyways for thsoe who might have not:

http://www.ethanwiner.com/acoustics.html

Cheers mate,

-Alex

[damon_chambers]

i was VERY fortunate in finding a dealer that still had their price for a desktop listed at 1850. they were sold out, but i called them up and told them i would order right then if they would honor their price of 1850. the sales guy had to call his buyer, called me back and said it was no problem.

now i just have to wait for them to get their shipment in. :mad:

[LivePsy]

There's a bit of BS involved with the price increase too. The increase should only apply to stock purchased by the distributor at the poorer exchange rate. But oddly enough, the price goes up on current stock.

Keep in mind there's no longer a fixed price for anything. No country is self sufficient and global economies change prices without caring about you.

Cheers,
B

[jenkzy56]

thanks for that alexhall74
i am familiar with ethan and his company
great guy and very willing to help when asked.

i am waiting for my polar, my monitors and finally my
LDC mic.
once these stragglers arrive i can get busy making some music!

peace,

jenkzy

[Timo]

Woah, just noticed the TIs have gone up £200+ in price in the UK?

http://www.dv247.com/search/0/0/ProductQuantity/Descending/Virus/1

£1710 for the Polar and the 61-note TI.

£1500 was always my psychological limit for a Virus. £1710 is a lot of cash. :|