About the Access Snow ATOMIZER as DJ FX Send

[pierlo]

Hey there, i'm new to the forum and i'm about to get my first Virus, the Snow.

But i need to know one thing: is it possible to use the Atomizer function as an FX Send on a mixer instead of as the master output of a typical dj setup? Please help!

[pierlo]

nobody? anybody? please help!!! i can't find the atomizer manual!!!

[Dot Matrix]

nobody? anybody? please help!!! i can't find the atomizer manual!!!


I think the Atomizer Manual is under your "Start" menu on your computer, then Access Music Folder, then the manuals folder.............that is if you are using a PC based computer..............hope this helps...........:)

[pierlo]

" i'm new to the forum and i'm about to get my first Virus, the Snow."

i have no manual

[boreg]

When using Atomizer, by default the input signal is passed unchanged to the output. Only when you press some keys, the audio is affected by Atomizer. So you probably don't want to use it as a send effect - you'll get phasing when the direct signal is summed with the same signal coming out of the Atomizer, and besides, the effect won't sound as cool when it's combined with the dry signal ;)

[pierlo]

When using Atomizer, by default the input signal is passed unchanged to the output. Only when you press some keys, the audio is affected by Atomizer. So you probably don't want to use it as a send effect - you'll get phasing when the direct signal is summed with the same signal coming out of the Atomizer, and besides, the effect won't sound as cool when it's combined with the dry signal ;)

well...i see your point and that makes sense. But what i dont understand is how am i supposed to use this in a "real-life" dj setup? Imagine i'm djing with cdjs or vinyls and i want to add the atomizer on top of that. My only option here seems to put the virus between the DJ Mixer and the PA mixer:

CONSOLE MIXER OUT --> VIRUS IN -- VIRUS OUT --> PA IN

is that right?
Well then, just imagine i dont want to leave my 1k+ bucks jewel unattended for the rest of the night. I'd want to put it in a safe place - namely my backpack. If for some reason i'm not going to be the LAST dj of the night - and chances are i won't - i'd have to unplug the virus, and replug the console mixer out to the PA, producing a damn embarassing dead blank minute! :(

Guess what? i'll be remembered as the party stopper. And i totally dont want to be that guy, ftw.;)
Or did I miss something. .. ?

[Khazul]

What DJ Mixer are you using?

My DJM-800 when sending to an external efffect is not a parallel send (unlike its internal fx), instead its an insert when enabled and the effect level controls the return level.

I would guess the same applied to other pioneer mixers with external effect routing (been ages since I used a DJM-600 ?)

BTW - if you are using a DJM-800 and thinking of generating midi clock from the mixer - erm - probably best not to ;)

[pierlo]

What DJ Mixer are you using?

ehm no clue.. haven't checked the club yet

[Khazul]

ehm no clue.. haven't checked the club yet

Then you probably want to spend some time checking out the external effect specs of various Allen and Heath, Pioneer and Vestax club mixers - both the 4 channel and 6+ channel club console variety.

Also some clubs do actually have patch bays to simplify gear setup of laptop DJs etc and partly because their mixer is in a semi-custom console so you cant actually easily get at the audio connections. I have a mate who ended up plumbing a mono feed from his laptop into the top mic input of a mixer once because of that - no gear swap time allowed and he needed to do a clean pickup - he should have asked them first of course and/or had a nattter with the venue tech before hand - most DJs etc seem not to bother and get caught out - venues techs usually apreciate it if you check in with them a while before and may even get stuff prepped for you in down time.

If you want to start ripping their rig apart at near 1am on a sat night/sun morn, your unlikely to get alot of co-operation :)

If you have a booked gig - you better email/call them and ask for specifics - connectivity, mixer type, insert options, and especially if there is anywhere to accomodate your gear - most recent install custom consoles do at least have a laptop stand (as DJs of use them from their track reference data base even if you dont play off it), and/or stand for a CD wallet and if your lucky a small set bucket for vinyl. Anything else might actually a be a no go without you own gear stand and even then finding room for it could be a challenge.

The techs like build in consoles because it stops idiots from messing and screwing something up, so less hassle (and the tech may actually be the owner/manager too)

[psy604]

Well then, just imagine i dont want to leave my 1k+ bucks jewel unattended for the rest of the night. I'd want to put it in a safe place - namely my backpack. If for some reason i'm not going to be the LAST dj of the night - and chances are i won't - i'd have to unplug the virus, and replug the console mixer out to the PA, producing a damn embarassing dead blank minute! :(
well ... your backpack can be taken away easily ...
but if your virus stays connected in between ...
then you most likely will hear it, if somebody tries to unplug it :)

[pierlo]

well ... your backpack can be taken away easily ...
but if your virus stays connected in between ...
then you most likely will hear it, if somebody tries to unplug it :)


ahaha you're soooooo smart :p

anyway thanks for the support. In the end I've found the atomizer manual. But - surprise? - there is NO mention whatsoever about using it as an FX send. So i guess it's not meant to be used that way...

But most of all, i found the atomizer manual kind of ... cheap? Spending a lot of time on trivial things and making stupid jokes - sorta winking at you as if the coolest guy on the block had written it...
Surely it is cheap compared to all the manuals i've met so far (korg esx, akai mpc, novation xiosynth, etc...)
Dont get me wrong - i don't want to start a useless rant here - it's just that I was a bit surprised to find such a basic manual for such a pricey product... am i wrong?