64 bit OS.. [Archive] - The Unofficial Access Virus & Virus TI Forum

annikk.exe

03.01.2009, 11:50 AM

I guess this has probably been asked dozens of times before, but I tried the search thingy and it doesn't seem to be working today... So sorry for what is probably a repeat question...

Ok, so, I know it says in various places (and I have been forewarned of this anyway) that Virus Control doesn't work on 64 bit OS's, is there any way to get around this restriction?

I've planned for this anyway but if I can get the software to install under Vista 64 it means I'll be able to start using Virus Control a few weeks earlier. Which would be nice :>

Anyone have a handy workaround for me to try? :>

-Annikk

Logicology

05.01.2009, 02:25 AM

No work around to install Virus Control... trust me, I've been trying for a year! You are not alone in your quest to make Virus TI work with 64-bit. Please email Virus support and let them know you need it. The more people who do, the better.

Here's what I do: INstalled Virus TI on another computer on my LAN. Use MIDI Over Lan to control it. Use "Standalone VSTi Host" (Savi Host) to use Virus Control for browsing and selecting patches. However you get audio back to your DAW depends on your setup. But that will get you started.

incubatid

22.01.2009, 12:15 AM

Just adding my support/request for a 64-bit driver soon Access... if you're reading this could you consider releasing one soon?
Trying out the Windows 7 beta has really sparked my interest in finally moving to x64.

I understand this is not a trivial issue (as discussed by marc on the VirusTI.com forums previously). I do feel like the time is approaching however. 64-bit support (requires VC to be rewritten as a VST3 plugin no?) is becoming a high priority for many.

Thanks guys :)

annikk.exe

22.01.2009, 08:51 AM

Sent to Access Support:

Dear Access Support,

I recently purchased a Virus TI KBD.

Please create a Virus Control that works in 64 bit operating systems, such as Windows XP 64. It is swiftly becoming a requirement for modern musicians to use 64 bit because of the demands of huge sample banks that many of us wish to use.

The main point of moving to 64 bit is so that you can go above 3.2 gig of logically addressed RAM.

These days quite a lot of musicians want to use enormous sample banks - gigabyte pianos, for example - and RAM is a real limiting factor here.

The problem arises because with 32 bit, it's basically 32 ones and zeroes, and these are used to form unique data "addresses" so your computer knows where in the RAM it has stored a particular piece of data. The number of memory locations that can be addressed reaches a swift limit with only 32 binary digits and this results in 32 bit computers/operating systems being physically unable to "see" any more than around 3.2 gigabytes of RAM.

With 64 binary digits (or "bits", as they are commonly known) the amount of RAM that can be addressed exponentially ascends into the realms of the arbitrary.

In an ideal world, my new DAW would be running Windows XP 64bit, and would have 16 gigabytes of RAM. As a DIRECT RESULT of VC's incompatability I have had to underspec it at 4gigs of ram running XP32 - and 0.8 of that will go completely to waste.

Cubase 5 is compatible with 64 bit OS's, so really the ONLY thing holding the upgrade back now is VC. It is a travesty that the Virus is Totally Integrated only with older technologies.

Making VC work in 64 bit OS's should be Access's number one priority for future updates to stay competitive in the market and ease the woes of its existing customers.

-Annikk

incubatid

22.01.2009, 09:02 PM

reppaz

23.01.2009, 01:26 PM

Everything in my studio ready to go 64bit, except, well you know what. So please Access, here's one more vote for a 64bit driver.

synthetik

29.01.2009, 07:12 AM

Me too. It just doesn't feel right to have to use a back up computer to run virus control. The back up comp is crap while the computer I can't install it on is pretty much godly.

annikk.exe

29.01.2009, 08:34 AM

Probably a bit overkill with the description of why 64-bit is advantageous. Don't-cha think if they can design & program the Virus TI they already know what 64-bit operating systems are all about? :p

Yeah, probably. I thought it was better to provide some justification for my request rather than simply blurting it out with no backup.
Plus, I can never resist an opportunity to show my computer knowledge =P I sux.

-Annikk

Purusha

30.01.2009, 01:55 PM

Last I heard from Marc (over at virusti.com) on the subject, there seemed to be some confusion at Access over this one.

There's the issue of:

"64 bit drivers, 32 bit plug-in" vs. "64 bit drivers, 64 bit plug-in".

Marc (and Access) couldn't see the point in the former of those.

Personally, I'd take a 32 bit plug-in with drivers for Vista/Win7 64 bit as a first step since 32 bit Cubase potentially gets a fair bit more available memory when running under a 64 bit OS.

Needs doing ASAP and is already late IMO. I'm running Stormdrum 2, and am having to use DFD mode to cut down on memory use.

BTW - also waiting for Powercore drivers. Once these 2 arrive, I'll definitely be going 64 bit.

JordiMayor

02.02.2009, 07:29 AM

Is anybody out there using this combinatio??

I'm wondering to start using 64 bit OS, and I would like to know if is anybody using that...

Thank you very much!!

NOTE: Access, please, come on 64 bit support... All my system is waiting for your step to go for 64 mode ... :(

annikk.exe

02.02.2009, 04:01 PM

"64 bit drivers, 32 bit plug-in" vs. "64 bit drivers, 64 bit plug-in".

Marc (and Access) couldn't see the point in the former of those.

The application doesn't need to actually operate in 64 bit mode, it can run in 32 bit mode if it likes. But we need it to run on a 64 bit operating system to get rid of the glass ceiling when it comes to RAM. The main reason for making one is not so that VC runs faster or better somehow by using 64bits to address memory locations, it would be so that you can run VC and also have more than 4gb of RAM. Pretty simple, if you ask me...

Is there a way to manually override the warning at the start of the VC installation that prevents installation on 64bit OS's? What would be the consequences of simply overriding it?

It would be funny if we figure out how to override the critical stop error message, install VC on 64bit OS anyway, and it turns out to work perfectly fine... :p

-Annikk

JordiMayor

03.02.2009, 09:20 PM

It would be funny if we figure out how to override the critical stop error message, install VC on 64bit OS anyway, and it turns out to work perfectly fine... :p

-Annikk

Yes!! would be wonderfull!!! Please, Access or the God Marc, is able to response that question... Is able to run in 64 bits mode using a 32 bit comm model??

Thank you very much!!

marc

03.02.2009, 09:43 PM

Yes!! would be wonderfull!!! Please, Access or the God Marc, is able to response that question... Is able to run in 64 bits mode using a 32 bit comm model??

Thank you very much!!

marc wouldn't try. this time i've consulted the oracle.

annikk.exe

05.02.2009, 12:31 PM

I figured it was pretty unlikely. I've known some programs to display behaviour like that before though, and when overridden, seem perfectly happy. Which is why I wondered. :>

-Annikk

omniphonix

06.02.2009, 05:48 PM

There is a very simple reason you can't use the TI integration under 64-bit OSes, drivers MUST be 64-bit to work. Applications can use virtualization layers like WOW64 (Windows on Windows 64-bit) that allow 32-bit apps to run in a 64-bit OS, but you absolutely can not run 32-bit drivers in a 64-bit OS. The only way we will ever get this is for Access to write the 64-bit driver we need to talk to the TI over USB. In theory, a 32-bit Virus Control plugin could talk to a 64-bit TI driver using a host sequencer's bit bridge function, but my guess is that Access wants a pure 64-bit solution when they release it. This makes sense considering how DAWbench has shown that 32-bit plugins using bit bridge can take a serious performance hit due to the virtualization layer.

Its really frustrating too, considering I am about to upgrade the DAW to a Core i7 box with 6GB of RAM and over a 2TB disk volume, and I need 64-bit Windows to take advantage of both. Oh well, at least 32-bit XP will scream until Access gets their act together. Maybe I can get more native 64-bit plugins in that time as well.

incubatid

11.02.2009, 10:57 PM

Yeah, I've decided to just stick with 32bit and gather x64 native plugins until my Virus is (someday) ready for the switch :D

It would actually be really great timing if Access aimed for an x64 driver that (somewhat) coincides with the release of Windows 7, which is still about 6+ months away I believe. I'd much rather they got it working well than rushed it. Even if it came some time after then (NAMM 2010? :o )

omniphonix

12.02.2009, 11:17 PM

Well its going to happen at some point. Everywhere I've read, Microsoft says Windows 7 is the last version of Windows that will maintain a 32-bit version. It's all 64-bit from Windows 8 onward...

Still kinda pissed TI OS 3 didn't come with the 64-bit drivers...

Purusha

13.02.2009, 08:56 AM

Timo

13.02.2009, 02:46 PM

Will be buying a laptop in a couple of weeks time and it will be using the Vista Home Premium 64-bit OS. A Virus TI would be the only thing unsupported by it.

I'm not so bothered about not having 64 bit drivers right now (although it would be nice), but I am concerned that the Ti's life-span will allow for development of 64 bit drivers - if you see what I mean?

I'm sure if/when Access release 64-bit drivers, they will be for the TI 1 and 2. I think it would be bad business sense for them to do otherwise, given that the TI|1 must be their most popular synth yet.

Purusha

13.02.2009, 05:51 PM

Hope you're right.

If I could have Virus and Powercore available on 64 bit, I'd jump straight away!

marc

13.02.2009, 06:20 PM

I'm not so bothered about not having 64 bit drivers right now (although it would be nice), but I am concerned that the Ti's life-span will allow for development of 64 bit drivers - if you see what I mean?

you mean like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go

happy pirate friday the 13. -

marc

Totty

13.02.2009, 06:31 PM

you mean like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go

happy pirate friday the 13. -

marc

LOL very good:p

Purusha

13.02.2009, 07:27 PM

you mean like:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go

happy pirate friday the 13. -

marc

Very droll.

I certainly hope we don't have to wait for 64 bit drivers as long as we've had to wait for a properly working Powercore Virus eh Marc? Something like 5 years now is it?

http://www.petitiononline.com/VIRUSTCP/petition.html

Maybe Cartman's approach is our only hope of ever seeing some results on that one from Access?

marc

13.02.2009, 08:11 PM

Very droll.

I certainly hope we don't have to wait for 64 bit drivers as long as we've had to wait for a properly working Powercore Virus eh Marc? Something like 5 years now is it?

http://www.petitiononline.com/VIRUSTCP/petition.html

Maybe Cartman's approach is our only hope of ever seeing some results on that one from Access?

why don't you try ;)

c'mon. it's friday. even i have a life.

marc

Purusha

13.02.2009, 08:43 PM

why don't you try ;)

c'mon. it's friday. even i have a life.

marc

I'm stuck in looking after the kids. What's your excuse for being on here on a Friday night?

:p

Totty

13.02.2009, 08:47 PM

I'm stuck in looking after the kids. What's your excuse for being on here on a Friday night?

:p

So I'm not the only one - that makes me feel better!!:D

23fx23

14.02.2009, 01:43 AM

so marc you make fun having stolen hundreds of people, that make you laugh, you don't even care about powercore virus users at access? I hope you really take it seriously, cause that waiting has been intolerable, and we are really a lot truely angry users against access music,

HostileReality

02.03.2009, 01:26 AM

i'm also planning to upgrade to 64 bit but it seems a bit daunting at the moment- having to resinstall huge sample libraries like east west symphonic orchestra and others which are 100's of gig's worth, ontop of the hasstle of things not working and bugs with going from cubase sx3 to cubase 5. I will wait for the virus drivers though firstly, as the virus is the core of my music, but also i will wait for windows 7 as i need to get it right and just leave it alone rather than having to change from vista to 7 or whatever it is next.

omniphonix

13.03.2009, 06:41 PM

This is getting pretty aggravating. I moved to Vista 64-bit on my new system since I pretty much had to so I could utilize the 6GB of RAM. Everything is working so well on this machine, but my Virus is just stitting there, unused, since its such a hassle to use it without Virus Control. What is the holdup with these 64-bit drivers? I checked around and every major OEM is shipping systems preloaded with Vista 64-bit now. There are only a few places you can still get a 32-bit OS.

Dell
HP
Lenovo
Acer
Toshiba (some laptops)
Sony
Gateway (optional)
Alienware

So now just about anyone who buys a new Windows PC is just screwed if they want to use their Virus TI with it? I mean, what is even the point of buying a Virus TI if you can't use the TI part? Besides, who do you think these people are that are buying machines with 6-12GB of RAM and over 2TB hard drives? It's not mom & pop surfing the internet, checking their email, and playing solitaire. It's gamers and content developers which include MUSICIANS!!!

HostileReality

14.03.2009, 12:02 AM

From the march issue of SOS, in a review of cubase 5 they talk about whether you should use 64bit, and Virus get's a mention:

"The most important consideration is that there need to be 64-bit drivers for all of the hardware you require on your system. Most computer components should be covered, including most audio hardware, but some musician-specific hardware lacks 64-bit support at present, including DSP cards and instruments like Access’s Virus TI"

come on access, u have to do it now :)

fender2k1

14.03.2009, 04:48 AM

I'd really like to move to 64-bit, but the virus is the only thing holding me back. That and the cash to upgrade :p

incubatid

14.03.2009, 06:22 AM

Lets be patient guys, I'm certain Access is working as hard as they can on it :)
I'm sure it's not as simple as you might think!

I reckon they're (hopefully) aiming for a release that somewhat coincides with Windows 7 release, as lots of people will likely switch to x64 when they upgrade then. That's what I'm planning to do :cool:

omniphonix

15.03.2009, 07:58 AM

I just want an ETA, that's it. Some date I can put on my calendar to check in with Access and look for some new 64-bit drivers. Then, while I wait for that day to come, I will get better acquainted with some of my softsynths. I am so not even close to willing to screw around with getting it setup old school and doing the latency checks and setting delay compensations and CC maps and everything else. Hell, I don't even have the analog inputs left on my interface.

Oh, and one more thing, they better not make the 64-bit driver only work with 64-bit Virus Control. Only like 4 of my plugins have 64-bit versions so far and I am not dealing with that BitBridge garbage just so I can run 64-bit Cubase for a 64-bit Virus Control. If 32-bit Cubase can access 64-bit ASIO drivers, I think 32-bit Virus Control can access 64-bit Virus TI drivers.

incubatid

19.03.2009, 11:58 AM

Oh, and one more thing, they better not make the 64-bit driver only work with 64-bit Virus Control. Only like 4 of my plugins have 64-bit versions so far and I am not dealing with that BitBridge garbage just so I can run 64-bit Cubase for a 64-bit Virus Control. If 32-bit Cubase can access 64-bit ASIO drivers, I think 32-bit Virus Control can access 64-bit Virus TI drivers.I'd say this is one of the major hurdles they are trying to solve, just a guess :p

fgimian

23.03.2009, 09:28 AM

After buying my Virus TI, I actually "downgraded" from Windows XP x64 to Windows XP. I actually hesitated buying a TI for quite some time before I finally did due to the fact that it was not 64 bit compatible. I'm not even talking about a x64 VSTi, just x64 support with 32 bit hosts. Windows XP x64 allowed me to address all my 4 GB of RAM and in general was rock solid!

Natspace

28.03.2009, 08:09 PM

Yes I want too a Windows 64bit Access Virus driver....please Access Music!!!

;)

TheHobbit

05.04.2009, 12:50 PM

Yep please 64Bit & 32 Bit support please. An ETA from Virus would be fantastic, see point 3.

Upgraded main machine to 64 Bit, getting ready for W7 when released and stable.

Main reason for upgrade :

1 • New PC I7 with 6GB ram <<< I believe these systems are going to increase in popularity as users realise the benefits of processor efficiency and of course more RAM supported

2 • Speed and was time to upgrade.

3 • Currently trying to get the old pc up & running as a slave for running 32bit plugins and will probably use Virus from there until 64bit drivers sorted. This will involve extra cost (FX teleport midi over lan).

If we could have an ETA at least users could decide if its worth paying for a work around or just simply wait.

peace

Just as a thought is MAC OSX 64bit? and that is already supported!

jamez

05.04.2009, 01:32 PM

"64 bit drivers, 32 bit plug-in" vs. "64 bit drivers, 64 bit plug-in".

Marc (and Access) couldn't see the point in the former of those.

Here's the point: It would mean their customers and all their potential customers could use just one computer.

Here's my situation: I have 1 main computer (64Bit OS, Quad Core Extreme 3Gz, 8Gb RAM, 1Gb GeForce). It's fast, runs everything I could possibly want except VirusControl. Other companies provide 64Bit drivers for all the hardware I use, jees even my Webcam and Flight Simulator joystick controllers come with 64Bit Drivers. Don't get me wrong having free updated VC software every few months is great but I'm sure the talented programmers at access could stop working on the free VC updates for 2 weeks and knock up some basic 64Bit drivers.

Please.

TheHobbit

08.04.2009, 06:50 AM

Personally I have now binned Vista 64 for Audio apps and hoping with W7 around the corner it will be supported, from what I've read re Beta testers W7 is probably going to be the weapon of choice for 64bit DAWs...I'm wondering if Access are waiting will then for 64 bit driver, which to me makes sense ;)

Dunkler Engel

09.04.2009, 08:44 PM

Mac OSX Leopard is not fully 64 bit but partially. It can address up to 32GB of RAM at the moment with no problem and run 64 bit apps. The kernel is still 32 bit though.

http://www.appleinsider.com/print/08/08/26/road_to_mac_os_x_10_6_snow_leopard_64_bits.html

Personally, Im anxiously waiting for Snow Leopard to come out which will be fully 64 bit. Snow Leopard will be my weapon of choice. :D

zeno

09.04.2009, 11:48 PM

I just set up a new system with Vista 64 home premium. It's a swift system with an i7 and 6 gigs of ram. I'd really like to use these features, but it looks like I"m going to have to downgrade.

64BIT PLEASE!

Or

At least let us install as 32 bit in 64 bit. I'm going to install XP on here I guess, and I'm not excited about the ~ 3 gig limit. Hopefully I'll be able to get some use outa my $100 vista license soon...

Soon come, hopefully. :)

JordiMayor

14.05.2009, 09:57 PM

Please, Access. No more delay.

I was fully convinced of buying my virus in 2006. I was glad because I'm sure you are a vanguard company, but I'm now in disgusse... I'm not agree with your policy about not updating (1 year ago or before!!!) the core drivers for running on VISTA...

Don't think about pro users are using xp. XP is death (good or not, but death). It's a discontinued product. Is my virus TI a discontinued product too?. I think not, because the new OS. So, develelop 64 drivers, please...

Sincerely,

Jordi Mayor Gisbert.
Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer (Microsoft Windows NT, 2000 & 2003)
Microsoft Certified Systems Administrator (Microsoft Windows 2000 & 2003)
Microsoft Certified Trainer (MCT on all Microsoft Workstation and Server operating systems)

Rainer1982

19.05.2009, 10:07 PM

I already sent an Email to the Access Support, but they didn´t give some information about a 64 bit version. It´s really disappointing!:( All the hardware stuff I use in my studio comes with a 64 bit driver, from RME to CME etc.

omniphonix

05.06.2009, 09:28 PM

If there is anyone at Access reading this? Is there at least some kind of pre-alpha build of just the driver component that I can use to talk to 32-bit Virus Control floating around in your development labs so I can limp along for now? I haven't even turned on my TI since March over this stupid driver issue. I use the USB connection and Virus Control for everything.

absynth

06.06.2009, 03:37 PM

ask yourself does 64 bit bring any + for you??

guess not really, unless your not using any samplers which require lots of ram then forget it, i think 64 Bit is just a big Promotion Joke

i have a ti 2 on windows 7 32 bit, Intel Quadcore, that´s more than enough power

and if you still need 64 Bit:

Presonus Studio One

HIGH-END AUDIO ENGINE
Studio One is based on a cutting-edge audio engine that delivers unparalleled sound and automatically switches between 32-bit and 64-bit floating-point processing on the fly (even with a 32-bit OS), ensuring the highest quality audio at all times.

http://www.presonus.com/products/SoftwareDetail.aspx?SoftwareId=11

so you don´t really need 64 bit OS

also things could go new ways in Windows 8

cYrus

06.06.2009, 05:29 PM

64bit memory addressing is not marketing. it's real and it's the future. windows 8 will be 64 bit only and the coming mac osx snow leopard is 64bit aswell. 32bit is really at the end of its lifecycle now.

Sonis

06.06.2009, 06:18 PM

tudio One is based on a cutting-edge audio engine that delivers unparalleled sound and automatically switches between 32-bit and 64-bit floating-point processing on the fly (even with a 32-bit OS), ensuring the highest quality audio at all times.

That has nothing to do with using a 64bit OS so that you can use more RAM at all.

absynth

06.06.2009, 10:06 PM

Sonis

07.06.2009, 04:20 AM

linwood

07.06.2009, 05:31 AM

I am new to the forum and just read this thread with great interest. I would like to be a Virus owner, but the only thing holding me back from a purchase is this 64-bit Vista incompatiblity issue. I hope Access is paying attention to the market share they may be losing and that I represent.

Linwood

KEMIK

07.06.2009, 09:17 AM

Hi guys im new to this form!

i sent this to access and im waiting for
a reply>>

"Hi im a proud owner of a virus polar for a few years now. I have recently upgraded my whole Pc system to accommodate vista 64bit because I need to utilize the capability of using more ram. I am disappointed in the lack of 64bit support from access. Me and countless others who have virus ti’s are waiting with our units getting dusty, there are many others who simply are not buying into your product for the simple reason that they can not use it within there environment. 64bit is the future im afraid and im just saying that the support is needed not a whole new virus control pugin with 64bit features but something, anything that works! Thanks for your time and considering this as high priority"

i advise to all who are having the same problem to make a stand and hammer the message home. go to there site and post a simple message!! eventualy somthing has to give. the more the merrier so DO IT!!!
>>>> http://www.access-music.de/emailsupportform.php4

shsyrjan

09.06.2009, 11:34 AM

I sent a question too. Their answer was that they cannot comment on future releases. :( I recently upgraded my system (really old that was shutting down on its own) and didn't even realize that Virus TI didn't support 64-bit until I tried to install the drivers... I too would like to get a approximate date when the 64-bit driver is coming out. I can wait, but I'm concerned now because there is no information about it.

TheHobbit

09.06.2009, 05:48 PM

Ebay is a good source of rebellion! An ETA would be awefully sporting, nice and of course 'GREAT CUSTOMER SERVICE'!

in all honesty I am trusting that the recent successof version 3.0.3 developmet that we will see a fruitful advance.

Lets face it theres a massive increase in people using more than 4GB ram in systems and for projects, it would be crazy not to have 64 bit support.

A lot of the DAWs offer it and have done for several years Sonar and now Cubase to name 2 I know of.

Let's see what happens i guess...couldn't seel the virus but i will shout out...

UPGRADED TO 64BIT AND MY EMAGIC UNITOR8 IS NOT SUPPORTED SO THE NATURAL MOVE WAS -''Hey I've got an Access Virus TI with MIDI surely that will work''

£uck it doesn't :(

Fingers-crossed :)

Chicago

09.06.2009, 05:54 PM

omniphonix

26.06.2009, 07:54 PM

but its the only thing that someone could tell @ the moment why to use 64 bit for audio apps

test it and you will see using a 64 bit os is just wasting time at this point of time

better stick to your productive 32 bit os untill windows 8 and really be productive and not just testing stuff

Everything I use works very well under Vista 64 using Cubase 5 32-bit. I installed Vista on my new i7 machine with 6GB of RAM to make use of that full 4GB of memory in Cubase. The only thing I am restriced on right now is my inability to use Virus Control with the TI because of this disappointing lack of 64-bit drivers.

Oh and it's windows 7 not 8 ;)

The comment was that Windows 8 (or whatever they will call it) will be 64-bit only. This is true, Windows 7 will be the last Windows OS to come in a native 32-bit version. Windows 8 will only include the WOW64 compatability layer, but the 64-bit kernel will still require 64-bit drivers.

Just get out the midi cables and make some music duder.

64bit will come eventually.

I only use my Virus TI with the plugin and USB interface. Why would I want to deal with the hassle of taking up 2 more inputs on my interface, connecting MIDI (for which I have no old-school MIDI interface), trying to get everything to sync, etc, etc. I could just stick to my plugins. That TI is starting to look more and more like a candidate for eBay.

Khazul

27.06.2009, 10:16 AM

test it and you will see using a 64 bit os is just wasting time at this point of time

Thats due to the state of driver support from access and yamaha at this time, otherwise I would have been using 64 bit for a couple years now.

DNME

18.07.2009, 12:00 AM

cant believe it .. still no drivers for the virus ti... that's the only driver I am waiting for.. $#@%!@#$% damn access!! wake up!

zeno

18.07.2009, 03:53 AM

I've got a dual boot on my I7. XP on one side, W7 on the other. Would love to be using Windows 7/64 with ableton, but VC is the only thing holding me back. I even use W7/64 for my video editing.

But yeah, with Windows 8 being ONLY 64bit, I don't see feasibility for any company to hold back on 64 bit drivers.

Unless they're discontinuing product?

Would love a word. None of us want to be stuck in 32 bit world for the rest of our lives just because we love our antiquated hardware. Access, please don't let that be you.

Something tells me though that Access has the integrity to bring us 64bit -- keeping in mind that converting drivers from 32bit to 64bit is no picnic from what I've heard from other developers.

incubatid

19.07.2009, 06:30 AM

I am hopeful that they will release x64 drivers to coincide with Windows 7 release.

*fingers crossed*

Keep in mind this is >3 months away!

TheHobbit

20.07.2009, 08:39 PM

But yeah, with Windows 8 being ONLY 64bit, I don't see feasibility for any company to hold back on 64 bit drivers.Windows 8 Interesting quote????

Only 64bit Even more interesting quote????

Windows 7 is the next release due and is 32 and 64 bit home/pro and ultimate editions....

absynth

21.07.2009, 07:37 AM

zeno

22.07.2009, 03:17 AM

but the question is which benefits would it bring to use vc in 64 Bit mode?

VC is not a sampler which needs lots of RAM, and as i said you can make a plugin 64 Bit Processing also in a 32 Bit OS

i´m shure access would bring out a 64 bit version but only if it really would make any sense

There are many advantages to running on a 64 bit platform, and the ability to use >6gb is only one of them.

Fact is, many machines coming out now are 64 bit. Windows 8 will be 64bit only. Sooner or later, all 32 bit software will be antiquated, just like 16 bit.

Also, think about it. No one JUST runs VC. I run my host system (ableton) with rewire from Renoise and Reason. I also use other plugins. I also do a lot of video editing. It makes most sense for me to run these systems under 64 bit - It's MUCH faster. If I want to use the VC plugin, I have to boot into windows xp 32 bit mode. I believe you will see more and more professionals demand 64bit compatibility for all their software.

I understand what you mean though. One nice thing about the TI, is it offloads a lot of processing. But even my UAD-1 powered plugins card from Universal Audio has 64 bit drivers.

At the same time, I'm willing to give Access all the slack they need. VC is a great piece of software that goes with a great piece of hardware. Converting the drivers to a 64 bit platform will take time and resources on their part, undoubtedly.

DNME

22.07.2009, 07:13 PM

doesn't even matter what platform, almost every company is making 64 bit drivers, why is access waiting so long? My nord g2 has 64bit drivers, my Motu stuff has 64bit drivers. :confused:

Logicology

24.07.2009, 05:13 PM

but the question is which benefits would it bring to use vc in 64 Bit mode?

What benefit? Are you kidding?! The benefit is that you could use it. Without 64-bit drivers, you can not use the "TI" of the Virus on a 64-bit OS. period.

And you're going to have to do some reading if you don't understand the benefits of a 64-bit OS. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it worthless. And you are confusing 64-bit audio processing with 64-bit computing, and 64-bit drivers with 64-bit sampler software, and the Virus Control with the Virus TI drivers.

In my case 64-bit is an absolute nessecity. (dealing with huge orchestral templates of about 20 GB of samples in RAM.) That is impossible with a 32-bit OS. Therefore, I am unable to use the Virus TI in my film score projects.

We need 64-bit drivers for the Virus TI... c'mon Access! What is the problem here?

absynth

24.07.2009, 08:46 PM

thats exactly what i was saying, your using a sampler you need 64 bit os to use more memory

but why should a company like access care about that you are using a sampler? just think about it

incubatid

25.07.2009, 06:51 AM

thats exactly what i was saying, your using a sampler you need 64 bit os to use more memory

but why should a company like access care about that you are using a sampler? just think about itOh god.

Perhaps because they are pretty much the ONLY audio company yet to release 64bit drivers? Even M-Audio had them out about a year ago now, and that's saying something! :rolleyes:

absynth

25.07.2009, 08:04 AM

why not blame Microsoft for again releasing an OS which is not giving you more RAM Support for 32 Bit and Releasing 32 and 64 Bit?

i´m not saying access don´t put out a 64bit driver but i can understand them what the real problem is of that 64 bit situation

so as long as there isn´t a good solution, maybe windows8 (64 bit only), i think it would be better they save their time in making some usefull new features for VC and an Effeckt Plugin to use in any Sequenzer (even damn Cubase)

Mindfields

25.07.2009, 11:47 AM

why not blame Microsoft for again releasing an OS which is not giving you more RAM Support for 32 Bit and Releasing 32 and 64 Bit?

more than 4gb is not possible to control when using 32 bit. The address space simply cannot get bigger.
(i know they have made some kind of, workaround in some server versions (PAE), but its not good enough for music production)

It's not Microsoft's fault! it's pure facts.

And memory is not the only hog in the 32bit .. I am using a system with Core i7 CPU, and it works alot faster when only calculating in 64bit, instead of emulation 32bit...

its the future...

chiaro

30.07.2009, 08:50 AM

I got this response from access support today, still no ETA but better than the previous response i got.

Thank you for your email. We understand and appreciate the growing need for 64bit compatibility with our software. It obviously is in our interest to support as many hosts and operating system platforms as possible, and work on a 64bit version of our software suite is already underway with our R+D team, and is a priority for us. We, as a policy, do not give out ETAs, timeframes, or speculate on weeks or months for any of our releases, as it is very hard to estimate these things with any reasonable accuracy. 64bit computing is the future, and rest assured, we will be supporting 64bit operating systems in the near future.

With very best regards,

Joerg Huettner
Access Music Tech Support

absynth

30.07.2009, 11:39 AM

ok....and also happy beta testing again on 64 Bit

i´m not gonna waste my time with that

chiaro

30.07.2009, 12:52 PM

ok....and also happy beta testing again on 64 Bit

i´m not gonna waste my time with that

Wow! you're really negative...

zeno

31.07.2009, 09:21 AM

This is great news.

I for one would be interested in beta testing 64bit.

I got this response from access support today, still no ETA but better than the previous response i got.

Thank you for your email. We understand and appreciate the growing need for 64bit compatibility with our software. It obviously is in our interest to support as many hosts and operating system platforms as possible, and work on a 64bit version of our software suite is already underway with our R+D team, and is a priority for us. We, as a policy, do not give out ETAs, timeframes, or speculate on weeks or months for any of our releases, as it is very hard to estimate these things with any reasonable accuracy. 64bit computing is the future, and rest assured, we will be supporting 64bit operating systems in the near future.

With very best regards,

Joerg Huettner
Access Music Tech Support

incubatid

02.08.2009, 07:30 AM

This is great news.

I for one would be interested in beta testing 64bit.Me too :p

Access, as soon as you're ready for us to dabble (basically as soon as you are certain it's 100% safe!), we're ready ;)

TheHobbit

02.08.2009, 10:32 AM

For ever the optimist here my precious :)

64bit driver my precious. Mine all mine my precious :)

DNME

02.08.2009, 07:40 PM

Wow, 64bit drivers :) can't wait!! then I can finally upgrade my system :D

omniphonix

06.08.2009, 06:30 PM

This is great news.

I for one would be interested in beta testing 64bit.

As would I, considering I haven't been able to use my Virus since I upgraded to the Core i7 machine in March...

wildbill

08.08.2009, 12:34 AM

Just a friendly bump to let Access know of another TI owner waiting to be able to use it with my 64 bit system.

DNME

13.08.2009, 01:07 PM

Any news? how soon?? when?? :!::shock::arrow::twisted:

neutroncore

13.08.2009, 04:34 PM

me too!

Just joined the forum and eagerly anticipate 64 bit virus control :)

cheers

RB

Blissphoria

15.08.2009, 01:51 PM

I could not help myself !!! even though I've read that the Ti is not compatible with 64bit I still went and upgraded my machine to 64bit I just needed the extra memory on my machine pleasssssseeee access !!! 64bit would be extremely nice this year !!!!,

Logicology

20.08.2009, 08:42 PM

but why should a company like access care about that you are using a sampler? just think about it

Thank about what?! You're not making any sense.

It's very apparent that you don't know what you're talking about. You can not use the Virus TI on a 64-bit OS. This has nothing to do with samplers. If you have a 64 bit OS you can not use it. Are you understanding? By not releasing 64-bit drivers Access is alienating a huge majority of musicians.

Even despite that, your argument makes no sense. The Virus is purchased and sold as a component to your rig. Access does not sell the virus thinking it will be the ONLY piece of equipment someone would own. To say they wouldn't care about someone "using a sampler" is narrow-minded and just really a strange thing to say.

You think about it.

DNME

31.08.2009, 03:46 PM

Still no news on the 64 bit drivers ???

TheHobbit

02.09.2009, 08:28 AM

I am sure Marc has put a post on the Companies forum that now the 3.1.0 is out and virtually stable the work on 64 bit is in progress xxx fingers crossed xxx

Alakhai

02.09.2009, 08:39 AM

*joins in the fingers-crossing*

I'm waiting for this to build my new sequencer, c'mon guys, my art cannot wait :D

absynth

03.09.2009, 08:14 AM

Thank about what?! You're not making any sense.

It's very apparent that you don't know what you're talking about. You can not use the Virus TI on a 64-bit OS. This has nothing to do with samplers. If you have a 64 bit OS you can not use it. Are you understanding? By not releasing 64-bit drivers Access is alienating a huge majority of musicians.

Even despite that, your argument makes no sense. The Virus is purchased and sold as a component to your rig. Access does not sell the virus thinking it will be the ONLY piece of equipment someone would own. To say they wouldn't care about someone "using a sampler" is narrow-minded and just really a strange thing to say.

You think about it.

The point is: it´s too Early for 64 Bit, when Access releases 64 Bit drivers its´ gonna be one huge Beta Test

for me it´s important to have a stable, productive system to be able to work on my music, not betatesting all over again

access should really put all energy in their 32 Bit Drivers and make those rock solid (still lots of issues)

also Sequenzers like Reaper, Studio One...should be supported, theres windows 7 coming soon, still issues with win7...you see, there is still a LOT to do for Access with 32Bit!

Sonis

03.09.2009, 08:51 AM

How is it too early to start working on 64 bit? Access is border-lining on being retardedly behind the times as far as 64 bit support goes. It's been stated on the official access forums that 64 bit support is the next thing they're working on though now that 3.1.0 is out

If you're still having stability problems with 3.1.0 you should get in contact with access support though because it's rock solid for me and for a lot of other people.

And issues with win 7? Lack of 64 bit support is likely going to alienate WAY more customers than a few small problems with win 7. The win 7 people would still be able to use the virus even if it was a little buggy here and there. The 64 bit group has no option if they want to actually use VC.

rudewave

19.09.2009, 01:24 AM

:cry: How is it too early to start working on 64 bit? Access is border-lining on being retardedly behind the times as far as 64 bit support goes. It's been stated on the official access forums that 64 bit support is the next thing they're working on though now that 3.1.0 is out

If you're still having stability problems with 3.1.0 you should get in contact with access support though because it's rock solid for me and for a lot of other people.

And issues with win 7? Lack of 64 bit support is likely going to alienate WAY more customers than a few small problems with win 7. The win 7 people would still be able to use the virus even if it was a little buggy here and there. The 64 bit group has no option if they want to actually use VC.
+1... totally agree. 64 bit driver needs to be released soon. I have a new PC i7 with 12 Gb and XP 64 bit and nowdays i have to work with my old 32 bit XP 1 GB 3.0 GHz in order to use VC