OS3.06: Finally, my TI is what I always wanted! (Positive update to FL problem)

[Dusk]

Hi,

I'm sorry to post another thread, but this is a very positive one following on from my previous complaint. Hope I don't seem OTT here!

Due to those weird problems with FL Studio, I have been forced to use my TI with my shiny new Cubase 5 instead. However... rather than leaving me feeling annoyed, it has honestly been the best thing that has happened to my music in years.

The new OS3.06 is the BEST yet. The timing is now solid 98% - even on arps (yes!) The new FX are AMAZING. I can change settings and modulate stuff without the timing or sound going weird on me. Cubase 5 is compensating the delay perfectly, no sync issues. I'm getting great polyphony. I'm tweaking every sound to become what I want (I make techno - no more "this thing does trance only" doubts!) The sonic potential of this thing stretches in front of me like a highway.

All in all, I'm making the best music of my life. Ive really got the bug back, and all I want to do is make music. And the Virus is at the centre of it all.

That is all. Thank you Access.

Andy.

[Celestry]

What a great post, you sound so happy! (^_^)

My favourite bit was that comedy moment where you go "no more 'this thing does trance only' doubts"!

[Dusk]

There was no real point in the post, but people only seem to post when there is problems. I admit the Virus Control plugin has been a long and painful road for Access, and it's users, but for me at least I am now able to use my Virus exactly as i want to. That means I can actually focus on making sounds with it, which are blowing me away, and taking my music beyond layering "preset 1 + preset 2", for the first time.

Are you a new or old Virus user Celestry? How are you finding it?

[Celestry]

Never had a Virus before and used to stare at the photos of the Virus A in Sound on Sound in the old days! (^_^)

See, my experience so far has been absolutely hiccup free... apart from experiencing some Arp Sync issues that i need to test and post about when i get home from work! (Had my buffers configured incorrectly in Logic!)
So, i used the TI, without VC, for about 2 weeks or so, and found it outstanding! I love messing with the knobs (oo-er) and creating sounds that way and associating sounds with the values of various parameters; forces you to learn by ear, almost! So, when i first saw the VC after having my Macbook delivered and doing the upgrade to 3.0.6, i immediately saw how my eye could get involved in the sound creation... much like they do programming the Prophecy via the Trinity's touchscreen! I'm not sure if i'll use the VC for sound creation from scratch, or maybe just use it near the end, just to see how it all hangs together! Either way, it's all so fascinating!

(^_^)

Do i even make any sense? (?_?)

[Joey]

wait 3.06?

that isnt on the access site?

[Dusk]

Sorry Joey - I meant OS 3.0.1.06.

Celestry - glad you've had a trouble free experience so far. it does seem to be a matter of luck in many cases. Oh, I too used to lust over the Virus, and never thought I'd ever bring myself to buy one!

Don't know about you but Im finding the new OS has opened up the sound design potential again, even beyond the new OSC modes in OS2. Me personally, i want to create odd/bizarre/dissonant sounds for techno, which are often achieved through using FX as much as synthesis. Now though, the range of FX we now have in OS3 means I am able to genuinely synthesises sounds, then play with FX combinations on those sounds, as if I was using external FX.

Think about the possibilities: a sound with different detuned graintables, spread unisoned, we're modulating formant and wavetable position, one is FM'ing another acc. to the filter envelope, there is a bit of ring mod, some noise, a sub osc (why not?) driven through a dual resonant rectified filter stage, into a high feedback chorus, low spread phaser, a heavily modulated tape delay,room reverb with predelay, mixed in with a freq shifted version of itself, then finally EQ'd... and now, let's turn on the arp, and how about we connect some stuff in the MATRIX?? This is actually a realistic patch that you or I can make tonight - no external FX needed, and we'll still have some CPU left over for other sounds too.

As you rightly said, it's the fact that the VC is so visually logically, and clearly laid out, that I can even sit here and visualise such a patch like this, and the way it flows.

You get what you pay for.:)

[Celestry]

Dusk, did you miss the bit where I said I have never had a Virus before! Slow down for me there! (@_@)

Nah, kidding! (^_^) It's interesting that you can string those words together about sound creation and my imagination allows for a very basic sensation about how it will sound. Just goes to show that, for all the time we sit there playing our synths, we're actually memorising/sampling the sounds and how the parameters effect one another. Mental synthesis, eh? Love it!

And I totally agree about getting what you pay for. The quality of the Virus is evident from the first moment you set eyes on it! Then there are the free updates, given with love from the Access team, and that VC is just the interface you've always wanted from way back when you fell in love with synths after reading the back cover of Jean Michel Jarre LPs! (^_^)

[Paprika]

So there's no way to compensate that delay in FL? I struggle for months trying to find a way or plug-in (( Indeed thank you Access, please buy me Cubase 5 too!!

[Ronkaz]

read the fecking tutorial for fl studio...

r

[Dusk]

For a start, in my situation FL doesnt work with the latest OS at all (re read my post.) However, even with earlier OS, does that "fecking tutorial" cure latency in FL Studio? Have you even followed that "fecking tutorial"?

The only "solution" is to use the analogue outs, and even then;

timing is still not perfect (try a tight syncopated bassline if you don't believe me)
you have only one stereo output pair (on a standard 1-in soundcard, like mine)
your Virus parts aren't "in" your mix and so can't be shaped or effected, and simply don't quite "glue" with the rest of the mixHaving tried every conceivable parameter in FL, on my audio card, and the Virus, in the end I had to use Cubase, to get the most from my investment in this synth.

[Ronkaz]

page 8 on the virus and fl studio tutorial explains how to deal with the plgin latency

r

[Dusk]

Timing is still not perfect (try a tight syncopated bassline if you don't believe me.)