Calling all Mac users with Logic 8.0.2 and 3.0.2.01 PB TIMk1 Keyboard

[DiScO]

Hi all,

I would like you to perform a basic test for me! (if it's not asking too much of course). Load an empty project, create an instrument track, load the VC, stereo or 3 x stereo, whatever. Pick an ARP patch, loop a few bars.

At this point, you should have a nice solid loop going on with the TI led's blinking away in perfect time with the metronome. Hit stop.

Next, create another instrument track and select it so it is in record mode. Let me know what happens when you start playback.

Cheers!

[Splat!]

It was phenomenal. A white Unicorn with a rainbow aura appeared in place of Virus Control. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I'm trippin! :p


A wee bit stoned today, will try it out tomorrow and let you know :cool:
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[marc]

Hi all,

I would like you to perform a basic test for me! (if it's not asking too much of course). Load an empty project, create an instrument track, load the VC, stereo or 3 x stereo, whatever. Pick an ARP patch, loop a few bars.

At this point, you should have a nice solid loop going on with the TI led's blinking away in perfect time with the metronome. Hit stop.

Next, create another instrument track and select it so it is in record mode. Let me know what happens when you start playback.

Cheers!

that's the way it is.

marc

[DiScO]

that's the way it is.

marc

Not sure what that means exactly. Are you saying that the playback of arps will always be erratic and generally out of sync unless you have the TI instrument track selected and in record mode?

[marc]

Not sure what that means exactly. Are you saying that the playback of arps will always be erratic and generally out of sync unless you have the TI instrument track selected and in record mode?

no, the arp will stay in time, the tempo LED will be off, more or less, depending on your selected track.

marc

[Berni]

Well I'm glad its not just me that is having major issues with the arps. I am having similar problems with the RTAS version & despite 12 or so revisions of VC3 it is still no better. What is worse is that access seems to be in denial about the whole thing.

[DiScO]

It was phenomenal. A white Unicorn with a rainbow aura appeared in place of Virus Control. Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I'm trippin! :p


A wee bit stoned today, will try it out tomorrow and let you know :cool:

Yes, I've seen bladerunner too, but not like you, obviously! Put that joint out and give me a result. Ta.

[DiScO]

Well I'm glad its not just me that is having major issues with the arps. I am having similar problems with the RTAS version & despite 12 or so revisions of VC3 it is still no better. What is worse is that access seems to be in denial about the whole thing.

Sorry Berni, can't comment on RTAS as I don't use it. I feel your pain though.

[marc]

Sorry Berni, can't comment on RTAS as I don't use it. I feel your pain though.

so disco, what is your actual problem?

marc

[DiScO]

no, the arp will stay in time, the tempo LED will be off, more or less, depending on your selected track.

marc

Okay, so now we are getting somewhere. Having tweaked my system, 128 & 256 seem to be the optimal for the TI. I switched from your latest beta as it resulted in the TI shutting down with a nice 'wave' type sound coming over my monitors, bit like outrun on my crusty sega console. The only thing is, your official release does it as well. Check the video here:

http://www.ambient-architecture.co.uk/files/Virus.MOV

Question - Why does the tempo LED on the TI fall behind when switching instrument tracks in Logic?

Answer:

Question - Why does the ARP start point become intermittent when switching instrument tracks in Logic?

Answer:



Cheers marc

[marc]

Question - Why does the ARP start point become intermittent when switching instrument tracks in Logic?

Answer:

is this using the USB outputs or the Analogue ones?

marc

[DiScO]

I'm not here to cause trouble, I'm here to help out! :)

[DiScO]

is this using the USB outputs or the Analogue ones?

marc

Sorry, you beat me to it. I used the USB outputs in that test. I always try to use the USB O/P's as the latency between both I feel is now negligible to a certain degree.

Cheers marc,

Aj.

[marc]

Sorry, you beat me to it. I used the USB outputs in that test. I always try to use the USB O/P's as the latency between both I feel is now negligible to a certain degree.

Cheers marc,

Aj.

can you send me that test? i'm not aware that switching tracks has an influence on the timing, using the USB outs.

m

[DiScO]

Oh, I see what you mean. I know the drill with the USB and analog outs with regards to arps. But thanks for checking. :)

[marc]

Oh, I see what you mean. I know the drill with the USB and analog outs with regards to arps. But thanks for checking. :)

you're welcome. just trying to help.

marc

[DiScO]

Thanks marc,

But we're getting nowhere here. Did you watch my vid? You also dodged my questions quite nicely! I appreciate you take time out to do this, especially on a Saturday night, because that's what Im doing right now trying to get total integration! If you want me to send you a logic project with 1 instrument track and a few bars then fair enough, I will! :)

The thing is, this is probably the best sounding synth I have, and I have a few, so naturally, I just want to see it work right, right?

Cheers.

[Berni]

Why are my arps still erratic in pro tools marc?

[marc]

Why are my arps still erratic in pro tools marc?

i don't know berni. i can't look inside your computer from here.

marc

[marc]

Thanks marc,

But we're getting nowhere here. Did you watch my vid? You also dodged my questions quite nicely! I appreciate you take time out to do this, especially on a Saturday night, because that's what Im doing right now trying to get total integration! If you want me to send you a logic project with 1 instrument track and a few bars then fair enough, I will! :)

The thing is, this is probably the best sounding synth I have, and I have a few, so naturally, I just want to see it work right, right?

Cheers.

hi, i wasn't dodging your question, i just wanted to clarify something before answering. and as for your video, you've recorded a situation where the virus crashed. i'm not sure what this got to do with your problem, independently of the fact that the virus simply shouldn't crash.

here's to answer your questions: the bpm light is not in time as much as the analog outs are not in time. this is something that was present since version 1. in a nutshell, to compensate the offset VC would need some information form the host which it cannot access. the good news is that we convinced most host developers that having this information would be beneficial and with a little luck there will be positive news regarding the subject sooner or later.

as for your USB out not being in time - sorry, no clue. mine are in time and i'm not a oracle. if yours were not in time just after the crash in the video, i think it's possible that the whole syncing system doesn't recover fully after a crash.

if you want to help us reproducing the crash (which is also covered here: http://infekted.org/virus/showthread.php?t=30903) please do.

thanks, marc

[Berni]

I'm pretty sure 'looking' inside my computer will not fix the problem whatever that is supposed to mean. I can run the VST version of the plug-in on the same computer without this issue. I can also run the hundred or so other third party RTAS plug-ins I have installed on the same computer without this issue. This leads me to believe that it probably is a problem with VC3 as it is still in beta testing. Logical right? From a previous post...
Create a new session in pro tools with an instrument track with the VC plug-in on it. Record or pencil in a note that lasts a minute or so. You dont even have to load a patch just use the INIT tone and hit the arp on button then press play in pro tools & listen carefully. If you record the audio you can see the irregularities in the waveforms & no amount of jiggling around with the waveform will get the audio to sync to the beat. Please confirm or deny this issue as I need to know if I am losing it or there is indeed a problem on my end.

[marc]

berni, please post the case number of your support ticket so i can look up details on your system configuration.

marc

[Berni]

Dear Berni,

This is in reference with your Request Ticket Number: SI00005758.

One of the key problems with PT LE is simply that PT LE doesn't have/provide any PlugIn delay compensation like any other music software does (Live, Logic, Cubase and so forth), so a delay in the sound is inevitable in PT if you don't manually delay tracks hence syncing the TI to the actual song (only PT HD provides Delay Compensation).
That's something we can't do anything about. However the only really known issue right now with PT8 is issues with the automation, so I would appreciate if you could send a PT8 session with only TI tracks left together with an exact description of what is going wrong there on your setup, so we can try to verify this here with exactly your session.

Also we still strongly recommend to use lower buffer sizes than 1024 in any supported host. If that's not possible on your setup I wonder if you can run the TI in Live at lower buffer sizes.

Thanks.

Best wishes,
Joerg Huettner

[DiScO]

here's to answer your questions: the bpm light is not in time as much as the analog outs are not in time. this is something that was present since version 1. in a nutshell, to compensate the offset VC would need some information form the host which it cannot access. the good news is that we convinced most host developers that having this information would be beneficial and with a little luck there will be positive news regarding the subject sooner or later.


Hi marc,

Thanks for the detailed reply. That's interesting news about the additional information from the host. Fingers crossed here for everybody on that, sounds like the it could do the trick. So, just to get it clear in my head, when adding more and more instrument tracks in Logic, a bigger delay is placed on the previous tracks, and that information would effectively eliminate this issue? Wonder if it would help moving the TI track to the bottom of the arrange!? I would be delighted to help and figure out why the TI crashes. To be fair, I don't think I have seen this crash up until I installed the the 3.0.2.01 beta and then went back to your official release. I'll keep an eye on it and send reports to that thread for you.

Cheers.

[seantyas]

Sadly, I suspect that it's NOT only your arps that are suspect... want to REALLY be pisssed off?

set up a little melody using 3-4 note chord/stabs(full CHORDS) in a part in your logic file (using only 1 part of your Virus control). and turn on unison, any voice unison will do above twin, so use 3-8 voices for the unison setting.

press play a couple of times: enjoy the timing of those notes!!

Oddly and even more depressingly, it seems us mac logic 8 users r the most affected by this problem, though I have replicated it to a noticeable degree in cubase pc and Ableton mac.

Luckily, access have finally admitted the problem and reproduced it on their end on at least 2 machines.

I know the virus is 3 years old already and as such, this problem shouldnt be there, but we really have to wait.

As for your arp. I had a similar problem. It worked perfect when in play mode but when i went to realtime bounce the whole song, it was always late. I simply bounced the virus audio solo'd first then bounced the track (oddly you dont even need to re-line it up).