Why did access design and sell the ti with problems ?

[gnome]

can someone tell me why access have been sellinga synth that when you try and use ' to many ' parts causes audio digital errors.Woudnt it have been sensible for access to program in a little bit of code that worked out the maxumum load on the cpu and which refuses to let you load patches in multi mode if the system thinks its maxed out >? instead you can happily overload this amchine using 4 parts and 10 midi notes easy and thats normal ? if it was normal voice stealing cool but jesus it causes all audio to go weird , thats a terrible design flaw and one access seem happy to sell.Can anyone here confirm they have run 16 parts on the virus without glitches and pops and clicks >?10 parts maybe ? 5 parts ? seriously this machine is faulty from factory and i have seen this in countless ti's , its nothing to do with os or usb , its to do with a company selling a synth they knew was flawed rather than going bust.

[Hollowcell]

Why did access design and sell the ti with problems ?

Money....

Access isn't known for quality of their machines, but they are known for having synths capable of very nice sounds (except for bass).

Almost everyone I know personally with a Virus (previous to the TI series) has had to return it at some point for some kind of hardware failure - can't say that about Clavia that's for sure. None of these guys (including myself) has ever thought about buying the TI.

Still software was the strong point of Access and it seems that many people are having trouble with the software only, so Access should come good eventually unless they just concentrate purely on the TI2.

I guess all I can say to all of the people with the TIs (that are having trouble), good luck and I hope it's all fixed up soon for you guys.

[Ronkaz]

Money....

Access isn't known for quality of their machines, but they are known for having synths capable of very nice sounds (except for bass).

Almost everyone I know personally with a Virus (previous to the TI series) has had to return it at some point for some kind of hardware failure - can't say that about Clavia that's for sure. None of these guys (including myself) has ever thought about buying the TI.


Well, never needed to return any machine. Actually access is well known for quality. And I think this is true for most all users.

r

[Timo]

Only problem I've had with my Indigo Virus was some of the pots were damaged slightly and wobbly (didn't affect usage), but this was due to the guy who sent it to me in the mail. The rest of it is built like a panzer. The OS has never locked up on me.

I remember Digital Screams had to repeatedly keep sending his Virus KC back for some problem or another, though.

Guess it's the same with other companies. With the Radias, for example, the older main jog dial they used was notorious for becoming glitchy and unusable (I believe they've since changed this component), and the volume pot on mine was also very crackly. But these are hardware.

The TI OS is extremely complex compared to earlier Viruses. I guess it's hard to find all functionality problems at first, but given time and feedback...

Gnome you should report the bug to Access so they can reproduce the bug and fix it.

[Shambler]

I agree, report a bug if you have one, Access have very good customer service from my experience.

[Kobayashi]

I have owned a Virus A, Virus Indigo, Virus Redback, a TI Snow and a TI2 Polar. None of them have ever needed service.

As for Gnomes posts, you might want to check the manual about patch complexity. Since Access lets you do pretty much whatever you want with a patch, it is totally possible to eat up polyphony with just a few patches if they are real barn-burners.

k

[enfield]

I've read quite a few more 'clear' posts here and in different forums than the first(which seems to be a performance issue), about "you can't use all 16 parts because the DSPs simply can not do that work". Is it true? Is it really that easy to max out even Ti2? Hypersaw lead with unison and reverb + some fat bass and a pad? I know, it depends on patch complexity... But you probably want to use as many parts as you can out of 16 when you're sequencing a track, built around the sound character of the Virus

[ShortBus]

Access isn't known for quality of their machines, but they are known for having synths capable of very nice sounds (except for bass).


I dont agree with that statement, 90% of the patches Ive created are thunderous basses for Jungle/ breaks and Electrohouse.

[Kobayashi]

I dont agree with that statement, 90% of the patches Ive created are thunderous basses for Jungle/ breaks and Electrohouse.

Nor I. I have some patches that will rattle your teeth.

k

[Hollowcell]

I'd be interested to hear some MP3 demos of those basses guys - I have never been able to coax huge bass out of the Virus. The closest I have come is by sampling it, then layering it, and finally running it back through itself, but it still just goes to mud all too quickly.

Oh and like I said, everyone I known personally with a Virus has had hardware issues. :) Whether it be simple jack mounts breaking to full failures.

[~BHG~]

I've had my TI desktop for about 2 years now...Not only do I get some really sick bass out of it....I also cruedly travel with it (carrying it on my lap on the bus or wit ha backpack strap clipped to the rack mount ears for example) and I havn't had a single thing fail on me....none of my knobs are loose....I havn't had to send it back...very minor OS problems(C'mon be realistic how many synths out there even do 4 patchs at once). Overall I would like to see some of the other synths around put up with the punishment I've put mine through and see it still work.

Ha ha it has tons of character marks on it!

[gnome]

I agree, report a bug if you have one, Access have very good customer service from my experience.

i did report the ' bug ' which was making the sound outs ( headphones and direct audio outs ( glicth when i tried to run 5 multi parts and about 17 midi notes ( about 5 at any one time ) I emailed and asked why it was doing this and they emailed back quickly and said ' its voice stealing ' when i asked why the ti glicthes and breaks up the audio when you use to many voices they said this was user error , i was overloading the machine and expecting to run to many multi parts.When i asked why there are 10 parts and 80 voice poly ( upto) advertised they had no reply.They are con artists who created a synth with huge design flaws , no dsp managment and who have spent a good few years now blaming it on ' bugs ' .Its not a bug . the machine doesnt have enough dsp power for its ' retail ' status./IT WAS ONE BIG CON ACT calling this multi part and 80 note poly .I personally found acces helpfull but decietfull , it was odvious they knew what i was getting at and odvious they knew the error was bad dsp programming and an under powered cpu but they kept focusing on me as the problem and user error .I hope they go bust and i am pretty sure they will oneday , they ahve no soul doing this to people and misleading people into buying this for multi part work knowing ( AS THEY DO ) that the machine is faulty.

[gnome]

[quote=enfield;292323]I've read quite a few more 'clear' posts here and in different forums than the first(which seems to be a performance issue), about "you can't use all 16 parts because the DSPs simply can not do that work". Is it true?

yes , my virus ti mk1 couldnt do 5 parts and simple midi data , seriously i was shocked , ive tried others , some seem better ? weird , some are worse , some os are better in some and worse in others.I think access covered up some huge hardware messup myself and i wonder , does the ti 2 have a more powerfull cpu ? i bet it does

[DIGITAL SCREAMS]

I remember Digital Screams had to repeatedly keep sending his Virus KC back for some problem or another, though.

This needs to be put in context - It was Turnkey (music shop) that caused the problem. They kept shipping me 'new' units which were clearly customer returns or gigged b-stock. They were once the UK main distributor and Access then revoked it...within 2 years the company went bust...

I've bought other Virus's from a variety of distributors and have never had a hardware problem. In my mind the Virus is incredibly well built - the best.

DS