New fag here. Access Virus t1 or t2?

[Synthisternation]

I'm about to get "Infekted" for the first time. I'm a little hard up on money right now, but desperately in need of a new synth. I wanted something more extreme then my Fantom x8 which I love, but it simply is too "pretty". I thought a virus would solve my issues with taking hours to come up with harsh sounds. So, my question to you guys is. Virus t1 or t2. I'm working out a deal and I can score a used t1 in excellent condition for $1,850. Or, I can save for another month or two and front another grand and buy a t2 for $2,850(this would break the bank by far). Is a t2 worth the extra grand? I read that its OS has some issues, but I can see that getting solved in the not so distant future. Its atomizor sounds nice, but I doubt I'd use it that often. Does the t2 have more patches? Does it's 25% cpu boost make a noticeable difference? I've been doing my homework, but I need some real input from you guys.

Thanks!

[Timo]

Does the t2 have more patches? Does it's 25% cpu boost make a noticeable difference? I've been doing my homework, but I need some real input from you guys.

Thanks!

Hi there, presently there's no difference between TI|1 and TI|2 specifications, except the 25% CPU boost (resulting in slightly higher poly). The number of patches, the sound engine, everything is the same. However some have said the TI|2 is slightly more stable when under greater load.

Also, no-one knows if Access may take the TI|2 someplace that the TI|1 wont, at some point.

[Synthisternation]

That sounds kinda strange, why would they simply give it a cpu boost? Was the t1 lacking in power? And isn't the atomizer a new feature? Or, can you do this with the t1? Do you just update your t1's os to get this new feature?

Thank you for the quick reply!

[Timo]

Yep, TI|1 can do Atomizer, the whole shebang.

Access stated with the TI2 that they're taking a different route with the TI|1 over previous Viruses. That they will take the TI|1 as far as they can do alongside TI|2, rather than just dump it with resources still spare. So they included OS v3 to the TI|1 range too.

At the moment it's less clear as to exactly what Access' intentions are with the TI|2... Whether it is a "refresh" or slightly updated version of the TI|1, or whether the TI|2 will actually go further than the TI|1 given time and have new Operating Systems and functionality. Absolutely none of us here know, and it muddies the water a bit, particularly so with the undue price differences at retail between mk1 and mk2 (although Access have categorically said that they haven't altered the wholesale price between mk1 and 2).

But, at this present point in time, the differences really are a 25% CPU boost, and a redesigned, lighter chassis (in terms of weight). The front panel user interface remains the same.

[Synthisternation]

Yep, TI|1 can do Atomizer, the whole shebang.

Access stated with the TI2 that they're taking a different route with the TI|1 over previous Viruses. That they will take the TI|1 as far as they can do alongside TI|2, rather than just dump it with resources still spare. So they included OS v3 to the TI|1 range too.

It's less clear as to exactly what Access' intentions are with the TI|2... Whether it is just a "refresh" or slightly updated version of the TI|1, or whether the TI|2 will actually go further than the TI|1 given time and have new Operating Systems. Absolutely none of us here know, and it muddies the water a bit, particularly so with the price differences at retail between mk1 and mk2 (although Access have categorically said that they haven't altered the wholesale price between mk1 and 2).

But, at this present point in time, the differences really are a 25% CPU boost, and a redesigned, lighter chassis (in terms of weight). The front panel user interface remains the same.

I understand most of what you said with the exception of "mk1 / mk2". I don't know what this means. How much was the t1 when it came out? I think I'm going to buy this used one. Viruses have always done well over time. Seems like they hold their value. So I doubt theres going to be any substantial difference between then t1 and t2 in the future. We wont know for sure though. I appreciate your honesty.

[Doc Jones]

yeah they definitely hold their value. In the case of the TI ver 1, it actually increased in value. When I bought mine new in late 2005, I paid $1,590.00 US for it! It's crazy how expensive the TI and its bigger brother have gotten.

[Synthisternation]

yeah they definitely hold their value. In the case of the TI ver 1, it actually increased in value. When I bought mine new in late 2005, I paid $1,590.00 US for it! It's crazy how expensive the TI and its bigger brother have gotten.

You paid $1,600 for it new???

[soulidstate]

I don't think TI1 is still in stores so your best bet to get a used TI1 desktop is in eBay which sells from $1200 to 1450. A brand new TI2 you can get for $1625 depending on your bargaining power. I got mine @$1700 with international shipping included. I would rather get a TI2 now that major issues are already resolved. Anyway the price difference isn't that much.

[Synthisternation]

I don't think TI1 is still in stores so your best bet to get a used TI1 desktop is in eBay which sells from $1200 to 1450. A brand new TI2 you can get for $1625 depending on your bargaining power. I got mine @$1700 with international shipping included. I would rather get a TI2 now that major issues are already resolved. Anyway the price difference isn't that much.

Having the keys is a necessity. I'd rather have a used t1 with 61 keys then a new t2 desktop at the same price. I need to be fully capable of playing the songs live. If I can get this used one for $1850 I will. If not I think I might have to save up for a new t2.

[soulidstate]

Having the keys is a necessity. I'd rather have a used t1 with 61 keys then a new t2 desktop at the same price. I need to be fully capable of playing the songs live. If I can get this used one for $1850 I will. If not I think I might have to save up for a new t2.

I think Novamusilk sells B-stock TI2 keyboard for $1999.This is a very good bargain. IMHO opinion though, I think the TI1 keyboard and Polar have more appeal than the TI2.Anyway, happy TI hunting.

[Doc Jones]

You paid $1,600 for it new???
yeah, I preordered it from NovaMusik in late 2004 for that price. By the time the TI finally became available in late 2005 the price had gone up but Nova honored their original price.

[Synthisternation]

Its ironic that you bring up novamusik. The new one I was looking at is on ebay with their shop. They will throw in two moog pedals with the purchase and an expression pedal with purchase. Looks like you'd get your biggest bang for your buck with them.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310161132062&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

[Synthisternation]

yeah, I preordered it from NovaMusik in late 2004 for that price. By the time the TI finally became available in late 2005 the price had gone up but Nova honored their original price.

...very bad ass

[jdmmade]

I just bought my TI 2 for 2,500 Brand new from a online retailer. Anyone can get the TI 2 for 2,500 just claim that other online places are offering it to you for 2,500. No doubt... they will drop it regardless. My music place of choice was Zzounds, I like that place.

[TheHobbit]

Admittedly got on the the Virus Band wagon when TI 1 went end of line so a bargain for £1099(Approx $1600) for desktop. However with monetary exchange rates fluctuating the prices vary outside usa.

I'm guessing with the processor power there will be features that the Ti1 wont be able to handle however for me...the 1 is more than fine.

[Synthisternation]

I just bought my TI 2 for 2,500 Brand new from a online retailer. Anyone can get the TI 2 for 2,500 just claim that other online places are offering it to you for 2,500. No doubt... they will drop it regardless. My music place of choice was Zzounds, I like that place.


tits or gtfo

[izimizam]

YES ! many of the problems with early ' os ' were NOT os issues , they were issues related to the dsp being over driven and access having no fail safe mechanism in the os or buffering......the ti2 i feel was partly to answer this problem , its a great shame but the ti1 is underpowered for good multi mode work using complex parts , in single mode its spot on , in multi mode if you use complex parts its not poly thats the issue its dsp power , hence the ti2.......also hence the snow;)..........i cant see access taking the ti2 further unless they allow user upgradable dsp chips in the machine , next up i am guessing with be the ti3 - user sample flash rom and maybe 100% more power than the ti 1........it does sound kinda strange doesnt it releasing a new machine with 25% more cpu . . . its all good though .....

[quote=Synthisternation;292953]That sounds kinda strange, why would they simply give it a cpu boost? Was the t1 lacking in power?

[Toby Snowby]

Keep the fantom..

Save the money on the virus.. Its a joke..

Its not even real analog.. If i were you consider getting a DSI evolver (2 real analog osc's) and using that with your fantom..

You need to learn how to use the sampler on the fantom.. and also resample with a distortion FX on it..

Thats all you need to know really..... Trust me.. If you buy the virus your still spend hours getting souds out of it..

When you know how to get the sounds you want, your be able to get them from anything... Apart from Reason and about 80% of software thats wack..

[ShortBus]

You can get a good deal on TI mk1s if you know where. I wont say what I paid for my polar but if you your suprised by $1600....... And I think Blowby is jealouse he cant afford much more than a second rate casio.