Too Aggressive?

[kazy producer]

I love how aggressive the Virus is... but Im looking to push more for pop tones and less techno/dance. Any suggestions how to obtain such tones? Is the Virus capable of being toned back a bit? Any suggestions of what other hardware would be good that has the amazing tone quality the Virus does?

Thx in advance for any help!

KAZY

[absynth]

what the virus needs for that would be wavetables, so you could play some pianos and butter & bread sounds

who knows if they implement this in a future update, its not the reason why you buy a virus, but it would be a nice +

[Atziluth]

The Virus is not only a Techno/Trance synth. The roots are still there but during the years the mutation to a multistyle synth has been completed. Just for your info there are about 6000 patches aviable for the Virus so you will certainly also find patches for your style of music.

It will be difficult to find a real substitute for the Virus and its typical sound and also for the price you can hardly get anything better. The old soundsets are still aviable for the newest Virus and the OS are still improving and updated, so do you want more.

You can do everything with the Virus, every sound is nearly possible to be created you just have to know how to do it or how to programm.

[kazy producer]

what the virus needs for that would be wavetables, so you could play some pianos and butter & bread sounds

who knows if they implement this in a future update, its not the reason why you buy a virus, but it would be a nice +

What are wavetables???

[jdmmade]

I am happy I can't wait, I get mine on Thursday! I love that signature Access-Music sound! The Virus TI Sound engine exists in such an amazing parallel universe, The human mind is such an amazing thing. Access Music makes the best synthesizers in the world, I would not ever consider anything about it to be "toned back". It is a synthesizer, you can make it what you want, you want bells, by all means make them, want a FM Piano go for it. Want 80's or 90's based pads, it is all possible. With the virus ti you can relive the soul of world renowned synths, from the awesomely 80's to the chip tunes of a Commodore64, to the dance music of today, tomorrow, and the future. Look at me I sound like I sell the damn thing hahahaha. :D

[kazy producer]

I am happy I can't wait, I get mine on Thursday! I love that signature Access-Music sound! The Virus TI Sound engine exists in such an amazing parallel universe, The human mind is such an amazing thing. Access Music makes the best synthesizers in the world, I would not ever consider anything about it to be "toned back". It is a synthesizer, you can make it what you want, you want bells, by all means make them, want a FM Piano go for it. Want 80's or 90's based pads, it is all possible. With the virus ti you can relive the soul of world renowned synths, from the awesomely 80's to the chip tunes of a Commodore64, to the dance music of today, tomorrow, and the future. Look at me I sound like I sell the damn thing hahahaha. :D

Do you work for Access??? LOL WOW! Anyway... I can go along with some of what you say but you cannot say that the Virus doesnt have a TONE and STYLE. I dont think the Virus is for EVERY APPLICATION A SYNTH IS NEEDED. It has a style to it .. and vibe.. no doubt. Personally I love what it does and how it sounds, which is why im here exploring how I can get it to work more for me. I think its best suited for a DJ or someone writing techno or upbeat dance tracks. Im sure I have a lot to learn in terms of manipulating and creating sounds, but looking for some advice of how to obtain more pop type leads... not such aggressive ones that sometimes are too much. Ive used a few tones and they sound great.. but want more out of it. Ideas are helpful so thank you. Im not here to argue or debate... I just want to make it work more for my specific application and looking for advice.

[absynth]

wavetables are sounds, if you could import your own wavetables, you could import any bred and butter sound like Piano, Pads, human voice or whatever and edit it with the virus

the more i´m thinking about this the idea is getting better and better :cool:

[Atziluth]

@ kazy producer

As I already said the virus is not only a Techno/Trance synth.....

What you have to know is, that the Virus is a synth and the word means, that you have synthetic sounds. You can have very good sounding instruments sounds like the piano, harp and so one but don't expect a realistic grand piano.

This means, that this is why you can't see in the virus a dedicated style or tone button. The Virus is not a workstation.

The good thing is, that in Virus Control you have a search engine so you can look up for sounds. You can type in bass an all the bass sound apears.

So, I am asking you; what kind of sounds do you want? Piano, violin, electric guitar etc. so the Virus is not the instument for you, go and have a look at a workstation (Roland Fantom X or G, Yamaha XS, KORG M3).

Those workstation have dedicated sounds (Tone, style) so you press one button and you get a realistic grand piano without tweaking or programming.

What I can say is go and have also a look to the ACCESS homepage:
http://www.accessmusic.de/page/render/lang/en/p/1/do/The_Virus_TI___Totally_Integrated_Synthesizers.html

There are some videos and sound examples maybe it will help you to decide if the Virus is a gear for you.

I don't know but I think the Virus won't suit you, you will spent a lot of money and get frustrated because ou won't get the sounds you need in a decent time to have fun. Just my 2cents.

If this post wasn't a help so give us more info about what you are looking for, maybe you also need other sounds than leadsounds.

Cheers

[kazy producer]

@ kazy producer

So, I am asking you; what kind of sounds do you want? Piano, violin, electric guitar etc. so the Virus is not the instument for you, go and have a look at a workstation (Roland Fantom X or G, Yamaha XS, KORG M3).


Thanks for taking time to write. I had the luxury of borrowing it from a good friend so I had the Virus for about a month on a production I did. I also have a Motif XS which is good for certain things like strings, but the sounds I want are GOOD SYNTH LEADS. The Yamaha Synth Lead sound are plastic sounding a bit.. not big and pure and clean like the Virus. The Virus tones are much much better... BUT sometimes Im looking for something a bit smoother. Im trying to find words to describe what I want..... Im thinking less aggressive or smoother. I guess its difficult to explain... but the synth lead sounds are the sounds I need.

[kazy producer]

wavetables are sounds, if you could import your own wavetables, you could import any bred and butter sound like Piano, Pads, human voice or whatever and edit it with the virus

the more i´m thinking about this the idea is getting better and better :cool:

That would be cool... this isnt possible?

[Timo]

That would be cool... this isnt possible?

Unfortunately not. I think it's unlikely we'll see it on TI|1. It was one of the first popular requests, and if Access could've implemented it they would have done so by now (in the last five years since TI|1 has been released).

[absynth]

ok...what about TI|2 Users?

[Atziluth]

@ kazy producer

Ok, as you have a Yamaha XS already the Virus TI would be the best addition.

There is no problem go and get a Virus TI right now. I personally have a ROLAND Fantom X and the Virus TI is the best addition and I don't want to miss it.

I am personally sure that you will be able to create your sounds as you wish with the Virus. The filters of the Virus are very good so you can modify the sound only with this to a smoother version. Also the new character feature in the new OS is helping to get smoother sounds.

Cheers

[Sonis]

wavetables are sounds, if you could import your own wavetables, you could import any bred and butter sound like Piano, Pads, human voice or whatever and edit it with the virus

the more i´m thinking about this the idea is getting better and better :cool:

A wavetable isn't sample playback, it's something entirely different. The virus DOES have wavetable oscillators though lol.

[jdmmade]

It's a synth Kazy you can make the Virus as smooth as you want lol, sawtooth is a sawtooth, a square is a square. cut off can mellow out your sound and make it sound "smoother". Any synth is capable of producing harsh sounds like pure noise..... I get lost by how you mean smoother. Anyone, you having trouble like me? All that great plastic sound from the other keyboards is the lack of voice, and a cheesy DSP

[kazy producer]

It's a synth Kazy you can make the Virus as smooth as you want lol, sawtooth is a sawtooth, a square is a square. cut off can mellow out your sound and make it sound "smoother". Any synth is capable of producing harsh sounds like pure noise..... I get lost by how you mean smoother. Anyone, you having trouble like me? All that great plastic sound from the other keyboards is the lack of voice, and a cheesy DSP

Thx for writing... Im trying to come up with a better way to describe it. How about comparing what Im after... Im looking for TIMBALAND type tones. I know hes who he is because of what he does and how he sounds, but what hardware is he using (im sure its not one peice) but I think his sounds are smoother than that of the Virus. What else gives the quality tone like a Virus but maybe a different twist.

Whats used in latest Brit Spears record? Timabalands records? Etc

[synthfiend]

why don't you download Native Instruments Absynth it may have some of the sounds you are looking for.

[jdmmade]

Timbaland uses a lot of VST's but the only reallll synth that I've seen or heard him play is the Roland SH-201 which is an so/so synth, but it's soooo awesome that it does not only sound like plastic, but a plastic bag from the super market and the reverb is so epic it sounds like your slamming metal sheets of shit together. Thats how much I think that keyboard sucks compared to anything else. Trust me all this "smooth" nonsense is not true, it's in your head. Kazy synthesizers need to be programmed to make a specific sound, so depending on how you program a synth will depend on how you want it to sound. If you feel the Virus TI is not "smooth" enough then just a buy a little casio, then you my friend will experience the awesome feeling of owning something of lesser integrity :-P . Sorry if I am blunt about this, but the virus is smoother sounding than anyyyything else that I have seen on the market.

[absynth]

A wavetable isn't sample playback, it's something entirely different. The virus DOES have wavetable oscillators though lol.

but you do know that most of the stage pianos have wavetable synthesis?

the way its done can be compared with sampling

check this one on wiki how wavetable synthesis is done ;-)

[Hollowcell]

Have to cut in....

You can never compare any wavetable based synth to a massive multi-sampled velocity switching piano (or similar) - they are two very different beasts, with two completely different purposes.

As far as softening (or modifying the tone) of the Virus:
Make sure the right filters and saturation stages (specially saturation) are chosen.
Cycle waveforms until you find the sweet spot you're after.
Cut back on the amount of voices used and build sounds up with other FX or outboard processing.

The Virus has a 'tone' anyway and it's ultimately that sound that got us to buy the temperamental things in the first place. There is no all in one solution to sounds, and it's always good to have a few bits of gear in your pallet.