Winter NAMM 2013 releases

[Timo]

New stuff from all around NAMM 2013.

Dave Smith Inst. - Prophet 12 (this looks killer!!):-

http://patcharena.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/prophet12_2.jpg (http://createdigitalmusic.com/files/2013/01/P12-top.jpg)

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Moog Sub Phatty:-

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King Korg (virtual analogue):-
http://www.korg.com/kingkorg

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King Korg pics: Top (http://www.korg.de/fileadmin/_korg/_produkte/synthesizer/kr_kingkorg/KingKORG_Top_rgb_lo.jpg) ~ Front panel (http://www.korg.de/fileadmin/_korg/_produkte/synthesizer/kr_kingkorg/kingkorg_detail6_layout.jpg)


Korg MS-20 mini (new re-issue, full analog):-
http://www.korg.com/ms20mini

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2013/01/dsc04108-1359083392.jpg (http://www.korg.de/fileadmin/_korg/_produkte/synthesizer/kr_ms20mini/01_MS-20-mini_front_with-Patch.jpg)

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[MS-20 Specifications in English (http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.korg.de%2Fprodukte%2Fsynthesizer%2Fms20mini-produktinfo%2Fms20mini-spezifikationen.html&act=url)]


Wavedrum Global:-
http://www.korg.com/wavedrumglobal

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Elektron Analog 4:-

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Alesis Vortex controller (80's baby!):-

http://cdn.mos.musicradar.com/images/Product%20News/Tech/Jan12/alesis-vortex/alesis-vortex-angle-640-80.jpg


Yamaha Mobile Music Sequencer (for iPad):-

http://a1045.phobos.apple.com/us/r1000/090/Purple/v4/9f/1f/d4/9f1fd4b1-710f-8f05-3026-6ea5844fe35f/mzl.vtslumss.480x480-75.jpg http://a1680.phobos.apple.com/us/r1000/118/Purple/v4/05/45/e5/0545e53e-7fa0-ec2a-a475-c76a6a9bef8f/mzl.zoukczhd.480x480-75.jpg

Heard nothing about Access-Music yet. Not sure if we can expect anything. There are no splash teasers on their website.

[Timo]

Ableton Live Push:-

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[Timo]

Holy titty mo'foking cunty bollox bastard mother of God, more on the new Prophet!...

2:50+

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12 x voices of 5 x oscillators per voice (4 + 1 sub).

And priced the same or less than a TI2 KB. ($3K).

[oscillator]

For me, as Ableton user, Push seems absolutely revolutionary as instrument and new workflow approach to musical ideas. Fantastic!

[namnibor]

The DSI Prophet 12 makes me drool like what bacon and donuts are to Homer Simpson!!! Really a great price point for what you are getting and I can attest to DSI build-quality and customer service to be supreme! Drooooool!

[MBTC]

Would love to have a Prophet 12, but at the moment I'm actually more excited about the KingKorg. The filters sound really nice to my ears in the demo vids and also the audio demos Korg has already put up. Maybe I need to hear some more demos of the Prophet 12... I hate to admit it but sometimes the person playing makes a big difference to me, and once I hear a range of sounds I like it's hard to resist. More important to me than hearing about the tech specs. Maybe I need to hear someone else demo the Prophet 12? The KingKorg for only $1300 though! Damn..

[namnibor]

I honestly do not hear ANY difference between KINGKORG and my Radias and it seems to be a Radias with better keyboard and some new filter emulations. You can get an used Radias Rack and use any keyboard with veloc/aftertouch and pretty much for an used price of $700. max. I have only kept my currently only Korg, the Radias, because it really is an understatedly deep synth with many possibilities and in fact the Korg product page states it's built upon next stage of Radias--FYI, so may want to look into that because companies like to often re-wrap and sell same (take Triton Engine for example) by inventing a new name and this case instead of MMT it's XMT--same by any other name. Nor am I attempting to pop your GAS for something that appeals to you but having Radias already and seeing a repackaged 97% Radias, to perhaps save you some cash. Matter in fact, there's times I have got "similar" sounds as the Virus, but stress the *similar* here. What's advantagious about the Radias is it has 3 seperate modulation sequencers, 2-32 step sequencers, and many Arps as well and is a great tool and augmentation to our Virus with the difference though, as much as I have tried (maybe not hard enough yet) to make Radias sound as "dark and dirty" as our Virii can, have not been able to do so but Radias excells in other areas and also has very same PCM drums, etc as KINGKORG. something might consider as an affordable alternative IMHO.

[MBTC]

It could just be that I never paid enough attention to the Radias... although I like what I hear w/regard to filters, so maybe the new filters are what's grabbing my ear? dunno, but thanks for the input.

[namnibor]

You could run say the Radias' output into the Virus for extreme filtering.

[Timo]

I honestly do not hear ANY difference between KINGKORG and my Radias and it seems to be a Radias with better keyboard and some new filter emulations. You can get an used Radias Rack and use any keyboard with veloc/aftertouch and pretty much for an used price of $700. max. I have only kept my currently only Korg, the Radias, because it really is an understatedly deep synth with many possibilities and in fact the Korg product page states it's built upon next stage of Radias--FYI, so may want to look into that because companies like to often re-wrap and sell same (take Triton Engine for example) by inventing a new name and this case instead of MMT it's XMT--same by any other name. Nor am I attempting to pop your GAS for something that appeals to you but having Radias already and seeing a repackaged 97% Radias, to perhaps save you some cash. Matter in fact, there's times I have got "similar" sounds as the Virus, but stress the *similar* here. What's advantagious about the Radias is it has 3 seperate modulation sequencers, 2-32 step sequencers, and many Arps as well and is a great tool and augmentation to our Virus with the difference though, as much as I have tried (maybe not hard enough yet) to make Radias sound as "dark and dirty" as our Virii can, have not been able to do so but Radias excells in other areas and also has very same PCM drums, etc as KINGKORG. something might consider as an affordable alternative IMHO.

Yes, Radias cannot sound dark, it's far too bright, surgically clean and digital sounding.

Personally I'm not fully taken with the Radias sound and programming engine. The Radias has one, very good, fully featured oscillator, but the second oscillator is crippled, it can't even do PWM. Furthermore, activating a sub-osc lowers overall voice count by a third (or thereabouts). I end up having to duplicate timbres if I want to have PWM or other oscillator types for both oscillators, purely because Osc 2 is incapable of doing so. This is a bummer when you have to keep on duplicating parameters on both timbres so they match, and polyphony is halved due to twice as many timbres being used. The Oasys/Kronos AL-1 (which the Radias engine is derived from) had two fully featured oscillators, even the Z1 did back in 1995 (even including physical modelling!), so why not the Radias?

If the King has at least two oscillators that are fully featured, then that would be great. If all three oscillators are fully featured, it'd be killer.

KK has 127 types of oscillators (many are PCM or DWGS), but 64 are 'analogue' & noise waveforms, which can only be good. Sounds like the analogue waves go far beyond the standard four Saw/Pulse/Sin/Tri waveforms plus noise. I'm extremely intrigued as to what the rest of those particular waveforms are.

The main bonus with the King over the Radias is the filters. Having a complement of filter types available is a huge boon. That acid filter simulation that Richard Formidoni demo'd on the King in the video (posted above) sounded spot on, and the Moog filter sounded pretty good too.

The King has no aftertouch, though, which is unforgivable for a synth that price. The same happened with the Radias KB....

However it does have the XY joystick, although normally I'd use these for Pitch and Mod duties while using aftertouch (and ribbon) for further expression. I come from the Korg Trinity days with XY joystick, XZ ribbon, two switches, velocity AND aftertouch!

The 6-in, 6-out modulation matrix sounds the same as the Radias, which pales in comparison to something like the Virus, or even the Z1. The King's two LFOs and two EGs are measly. The Radias has two LFOs and three EGs. The Oasys/Kronos has four LFOs and four EGs. Even in 1995, harking from the Z1 days, we had four LFOs, five EGs, and routings galore!

Rich Formidoni (Korg product manager and demo guy) stated the King has no MIDI zipper artefects on the knobs (when turning them slowly), obviously some sort of smoothing interpolation, like the Virus has always had, which is fantastic. The Radias doesn't have this.

Where the Radias triumphs is the the mod-sequencing & drum elements - obviously the King lacks all that, but it's not trying to be the Radias, it's aimed at a different type of use.

Admittedly, though, the whole front panel on the King appears a bit of an elementary doofus. Osc, Filter, Amp should've been on the left, and the effects controls on the right. As it is, your left arm will be crossing over your right hand all the while when you reach for the filter and oscillator knobs.

[namnibor]

Yes, agree with all you stated. TIMO, do you have O.S. 2.0 loaded on Radias? The free Radias Editor is one of the best implimentations of an editor that alows one to get even deeper in the matrix and programming that is deeper that all those knobs do not allow. It's a free download and Korg also updated the midi and usb driver prior to Winter 2012.
Yes, Radias has its inherent limitations and really wished the modulation and step sequencer would work on external synths but that's what I recently got the first version of Elektron Monomachine SFX60+ MK1, as it will do all that having internal as well as extensive external sequencing. It's just such a different approach, will need to dedicate alot of time solely on wrapping my head around it. If the Elektron Analog 4 is given polyphony (which the engineers are planning and working on plus many more features), I may well consider it one day when it is a more mature instrument. Sonic Lab did a 25 minute intensive interview with Elektron Swedes and the A4 if you are wanting to check it out.
Robert

[MBTC]

The King has no aftertouch, though, which is unforgivable for a synth that price. The same happened with the Radias KB....


I'd like to see aftertouch on any synth, but when I compare the price point with what I'd get in a Virus Snow for about the same amount, the KK still keeps my interest.

[namnibor]

I'd like to see aftertouch on any synth, but when I compare the price point with what I'd get in a Virus Snow for about the same amount, the KK still keeps my interest.

That's why is really pragmatic to even acquire a good older keyboard that has aftertouch or even rare polyphonic aftertouch that you may not use the synth per se but utilize it as a much better midi controller than what's quite unforgivable in the vast array of midi controllers on the market today. One such example that could be got via ebay often quite cheap and is actually still a rather innovative board for synth design is Kawai K1 or K2, K3, K4...when Kawai was making synths (which their quite advanced Additive Synthesis K5000S/K5000W/K5000rack was last synth then focused to this day on high quality acoustic piano and digital offerings), they were really quite innovators and their key-action was bar-none. You may even already have a synth you may not use that's delegated to closet for now or one in set-up that's not used much that you can use to get the most out of an otherwise cool synth that I too find unforgivable to place a crappy set of keys on it. The Alesis ION is such a synth! SUCH a deep synth and reason I keep it but to place almost toylike keys on such a sunth is like designing a clarinet with a crappy mouthpiece!! On the Alesis Ion, understandably, it is very GREAT an emulating other classic synths with it's huge array of filters and deep mod matrix, but the ION is one of those synths that does not have a reputation for "it's own ION sound"...but is again another stereotype because it too has external stereo input to run other's through it to take advantage of those wonderful filters and had always wished Alesis had released a rack version of ION for that inexcusable set of very synthy keys, YET in it's NRPN rather than MIDI standard, it CAN respond to aftertouch--it's an example of engineers rather than musicians designing a synth.
The excuse many synth makers have made is "aftertouch never quite caught-on..blah blah", well, aftertouch is AWESOME to send variety of mod matrix routings to as our great Virii can attest to as well as very same keyboard used on DSI MEK....love that type of Fatar keybed to death! However, Access DID use a totally different Fatar keyboard for the Indigo and Polar shorter board Virii...why, do not know!
Rant over but being a lover of aftertouch, it is salt to my wound!

[namnibor]

I'd like to see aftertouch on any synth, but when I compare the price point with what I'd get in a Virus Snow for about the same amount, the KK still keeps my interest.
It's all about what YOU like in the end~! Like I said, was not intending on trying pop your 'GAS' for KK, just thought you should know what is very similar in this still-dire economy to make your denero go furthest!

[MBTC]

It's all about what YOU like in the end~! Like I said, was not intending on trying pop your 'GAS' for KK, just thought you should know what is very similar in this still-dire economy to make your denero go furthest!

I don't mean to ignore your comments about buying used gear, they are all well-taken, but this thread is about new NAMM-announced gear so I'm trying to keep that on track.

[namnibor]

Just watched Sweetwater's YouTube from NAMM and an excellent demo of the Korg MS20 using external signals here> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUrCOpKGcy4&list=UU1kdsZUTDSW1BtsHEoYx4WQ&index=8
very exciting times indeed! Yes, back on track! Sweetwater also has a great demo on KingKorg as well just scroll through other videos they have posted from NAMM. I love Sweetwater because they are an hour North of where my parents live and I grew-up in next State over from where I reside. In the USA, save from NOVA Music, Sweetwater has best customer service as well while not feeling like you are being pecked for a commission as they keep the prices competetive. Their TC Helion Voice Live 2 Demo is out of this world and that woman's voice is simply dreamy!

[Ashe35]

If the King has at least two oscillators that are fully featured, then that would be great. If all three oscillators are fully featured, it'd be killer.

KK has 127 types of oscillators (many are PCM or DWGS), but 64 are 'analogue' & noise waveforms, which can only be good. Sounds like the analogue waves go far beyond the standard four Saw/Pulse/Sin/Tri waveforms plus noise. I'm extremely intrigued as to what the rest of those particular waveforms are.

Seen in various videos:

double saw/square, unison saw (this is just what i have spotted)

oberheim, TB, P5, MS20 and 'Korg' (Radias?) filter types.

[namnibor]

Yes, it seems they have more fully featured osc types as Radias alone. What I love about Radias that hope they passed-onto KK is ability to use a rather advanced formant motion filter to record several 7.5 second samples of voice or ANY external recording, et al and THEN use it as an osc type and all the virtual patches. When looking at Radias features, as I mentioned to TIMO, it's important to see the massive update O.S.v2.0 brought to it and an editor with up to date drivers that's barnone than I have seen from other synths rather than from a third party...and free, of course. This NAMM, Korg definitely showed innovation AND safely would say coupled with DSI Prophet 12, kinda overshaddowed Moog's "budget sub-phatty".
I can confirm that the DSI Prophet 12 is not only 5 Osc per voice, but ONE of those is full spectrum of Wavetables and other goodies from the Evolver series and some NEW atmos-parameters for sound. He does use DCO's, totally analog osc's that are simply digitally stablized but many tools to create total chaos. My Sweetwater rep gave me quite the low-down but am only interested in preordering the Korg MS20....am SO AMPED!!!

[Ashe35]

I can confirm that the DSI Prophet 12 is not only 5 Osc per voice, but ONE of those is full spectrum of Wavetables and other goodies from the Evolver series and some NEW atmos-parameters for sound. He does use DCO's, totally analog osc's that are simply digitally stablized but many tools to create total chaos. My Sweetwater rep gave me quite the low-down but am only interested in preordering the Korg MS20....am SO AMPED!!!


The Prophet 12 is DSP-based for the oscillators. Not DCO.

[namnibor]

The Prophet 12 is DSP-based for the oscillators. Not DCO.
My Sweetwater Rep confirmed only the Wavetables are DSP, Dave Smith is using the same Curtis Chips (DCO) for analog osc's stabilization, as he has used for all analog osc's in DSI incarnation. My contact at DSI that I do not toss his name around for good reason also has relayed same to me when assisting me with the two monoevolverkeyboards and the polychain set-up on each with desktop evolvers. There's nothing wrong with DCO as the difference between a VCO and DCO is simply the stability of osc to stay in-tune or however you may want to detuen it is not affected by cold temps, etc. The Wavetables need the DSP. DSI took the best from their PolyEvolver and Prophet 08 with alot of newer sound sculpting tools and knob per function with very little menu diving.
However, I have no intention of arguing one way or another as all it does is cause unwanted divide when as musicians and Cultural Creatives, should go to the source if you want to see the answer in your email box.

[Ashe35]

We'll see. Some sources say they are totally DSP...

Or as Dave Smith himsel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buVeoLnL3tc&feature=player_embedded)f says, the front end is 'digital' because they wanted to be able to do things that analog can't do.

[namnibor]

Well, rather than relying on "some ether sources", send an email to DSI and hear the truth from their great customer service. Drives me batty when people do not state where they get their sources and tend to believe anything posted by more than likely sour grapes posters. There's a mental-state of some posters on various pro-forums that will actually intentially throw out misinformation in a socialpathic way. Even Dave Smith himself sates in one of his demos they are DCO's just as he has used in past but LIKE the Evolver, of which the "best of the Evolver series technology" he stated is incorp. in Prophet 12 and that is on the Wavetables, output hack, four delays can be places in sugnal path of each osc, et al. Speculative factOIDS without sources have no merit esp. when continuing in repeating such rumourmill without checking for facts. The term "DSP" can be used rather loosely as you can find some DSP chips within even new Moogs...transistor's by another name. Check the source and even call/email Sweetwater in USA. Knowledge sets one free, but slaves one when based on total uncertainly in repeating "what one has simply HEARD without qualifying that repeated uncertainty and is not productive at all.

[namnibor]

We'll see. Some sources say they are totally DSP...

Or as Dave Smith himsel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buVeoLnL3tc&feature=player_embedded)f says, the front end is 'digital' because they wanted to be able to do things that analog can't do.

HENCE THE TERM APPLICABLE..."ANALOG/DIGITAL HYBRID"...it's not that difficult to wrap one's head around. I own two DSI monoEvolver keyboards and each voice has two DCO analog osc's and 2 Wavetable DSP Osc's...of whci is part of Prophet 12 archetecture.

[Ashe35]

DSI Forum seems to be down so I can't link to Pym's replies about it. Pym is Chris Hector, a DSI employee.

[Ashe35]

Ok, on the DSI Forum, Pym describes the oscillators as the following:

4 Oscillators per voice capable of classic and complex waveforms

Low alias digital oscillators of several flavors: tri, saw, pulse, sine, noise and 4 wavetable based sources
Oscillator params: FM, AM, Sync, Level, Pitch (Coarse+Fine), extended slop algorithm, shape, shape mod/pulsewidth

No "two analog two digital oscillators"

[namnibor]

No "two analog two digital oscillators"....was an analogy to the Evolver structure.
Why then is Dave Smith himself stating TRUE ANALOG? NEVER in any NAMM videos did he use "ANALOG-MODELING" (VA by another name)???? Are you then trying to say the 5th osc/sub osc would be the ONLY analog osc? Sorry, do not buy it. MY rep at Sweetwater is going to post to my email when he gets time to clear-up this misinformation because Dave Smith has never been known to mince words and call something "real analog" or "analog synth" and it not be true, even as with the Evolver series where most in fact is analog but a good 30% is indeed also digital or more.

[namnibor]

OR--if Dave Smith is using the word "analog rather loosely", are you saying the new Prophet 12 would be more like the Waldorf Q+ where you had DSP modeled osc's of various type (and to this day the Q is hard to really call a "VA"), and LIKE the Q+, having REAL ANALOG LPF, HPF, VCA? Digital EG's and Digital 4 LFO's?

[Ashe35]

you must be watching a different Dave Smith than the one in the video above, where he says "...It has a digital front end..." and "... we went with digital because there were things we wanted to do that you just couldn't do with analog..."

[namnibor]

you must be watching a different Dave Smith than the one in the video above, where he says "...It has a digital front end..." and "... we went with digital because there were things we wanted to do that you just couldn't do with analog..."
I do happen to occupy myself within an alternate dimension of time and space from result of a rather nasty series of military experiements...however, there's aspects to the DSI Prophet 12 that ARE analog and it's not 'wishful thinking' nor any aversion to digital--hell, I have two DSI monoEvolverKeyboards with Desktop Evolvers polychained and am on this forum for a reason for love of the virus KB/KC.
"Language is a virus from outerspace...", and somehow think you are stumbling over it because in all tense, we both are correct, as it indeed is a hybrid, even if the analog portion(s) are within the filters/vca. Nice thing about NAMM is it brings about critical thinking and communication that perhaps may not have taken place otherwise. My ego nor id have any requirement to be 100% correct but think agreeing to disagree until full specs are actually posted on DSI website (they are not), we may just have to both wait and until then, move-on and twiddle knobs and make music or at least digital and/or analog screams into space.

[Ashe35]

I never said the filters weren't analog.

The Prophet 12 is DSP-based for the oscillators. Not DCO.

I'm pretty sure the specs Pym posted on the DSI Forums are accurate. Since he works there and all...

[namnibor]

I never said the filters weren't analog.



I'm pretty sure the specs Pym posted on the DSI Forums are accurate. Since he works there and all...
no real need to come across as such an obnoxius __s!

[AndrewM]

You two make a good team. :p

[namnibor]

You two make a good team. :p

Apparently, a good team of oxen!:p What's 'blue' to him would most probably be 'turquiose' to me! In the end, all points to continued vitality of DSI, a small company that continues to innovate and sometimes aggravate!:confused: :D

[Timo]

Easy, guys. :) It hasn't even been released yet.

Found these (by Pym) on GearSlutz:

Quick specs:
12 voices
4 Oscillators per voice capable of classic and complex waveforms
Low alias digital oscillators of several flavors: tri, saw, pulse, sine, noise and 4 wavetable based sources
Oscillator params: FM, AM, Sync, Level, Pitch (Coarse+Fine), extended slop algorithm, shape, shape mod/pulsewidth
Sub oscillator
Shape Mod/Pulsewidth control changes based on oscillator type: Pulse and Tri - Pulsewidth control
Saw - Supersaw effect (note: not complete in NAMM units)
Noise - Pink on the left, White in the middle, Blue/Violet on the right
Wavetables - Blends between 3 different waveforms, one on the left, one in the middle, one on the right
Post FX section, fully analog signal path (no DAC/ADC converstion) with digital effects summed with analog signal at wet/dry points Analog VCA and panning
Analog stereo distortion
Analog resonant Lowpass filter per voice
Analog resonant Highpass filter per voice
All analog parameters are modulated at >11kHz sample rate
Digital FX 'Character' Section: NOTE: Effects are not finalized (besides Drive) and will be improved and possible changed before release
Air - High shelf with soft clipping
Girth - Low shelf with saturation
Hack - Bit Crush
Decimate - Sample Rate Reduction
Drive - Overdrive/Saturation
Tons of modulation: 4 LFOs up to 4kHz rate, sync and multiple shapes
4 Envelopes - VCA, Filter and 2 Auxiliary. ADSR plus delay
16 Mod slots - Oscillators can be used as sources for FM control of a wide range of params
Two Pressure- and Position-sensitive touch faders for added control in addition to the pitch and mod wheels
4 Delay lines Can sync to internal arp clock or to external MIDI clock
~1 second buffer for each delay line
Amount, Feedback, and Rate controls on front panel
Delay time ranges from reverb and flanger effects to a looper with feedback turned to max
Delay algorithms not finalized in NAMM units and will be improved by release
Tuned Feedback
Expanded Arpeggiator modes
Quick mod section: example: holding 'mod source' and hitting 'Osc 1' creates a new mod with 'Osc 1' as the source and brings up the screen. Then holding 'mod destination' and moving the 'Air' encoder assigns the destination to 'Air'. Simple!
Sorting of mods by slot number, mod source or mod destination which includes the fixed mods (destination params for LFOs and Envelopes) to quickly deconstruct programs. Makes it very easy to see what mods are affecting what parameters at a glance
Playlist mode for queueing up programs to use in a set for quick 1-button access to quickly load presets. 4 Playlists with 10 presets plus an extended playlist mode if more complicated setups are needed


Some answers to questions and some comments off the top of my head:

The oscillators are digital. Some options are wavetable based, but we may change the selected wavetables by the final release. You have fully sweepable wavetables between 3 waveforms, one in the center of the shape mod param and the other two on either extreme.
We are still planning on including 12 wavetables total: 4 wavetable osc waveforms where you can morph between 3 of the wavetables.
I do not believe we will have user wavetable uploads. This is due to the implementation where we very carefully craft multiple wavetables to improve the oscillator across a larger range with extremely low aliasing
The 4 delay lines, per voice, have a REALLY large range. Nearly a 1 second buffer and lots of resolution on the fine end so you can easily get effects of flangers, chorus, reverb, delay, and even a looper using the feedback control. We are looking into adding additional modes for the final release, including stereo and ping-pong type effects
The analog lowpass filter has been cleaned up and extended an extra octave from the Prophet '08 series. This gives it a noticeable sheen in the high end that is not present in our older voices
The highpass is similar to the one present in the Tempest but with resonance. There is a 'hidden' feature allowing you to push it into self-oscillation
The stereo analog distortion is based off of the distortion circuit in the Tempest with an improved, smooth dry/wet transition


However we are talking about some additional options to add digital processing (possibly of multiple types) on each oscillator to add the gritty character that, I agree, is missing from the clean sound the synth has right now. This would give you the old character but with even more control and variation since we have the clean waves as the source. Maybe bit and sample reduction like we're doing in the character section, or a couple other ideas I have up my sleeve... got a few months to figure out the details still.

The LFOs are indeed free running, as are the oscillators. There is a flag to reset the LFOs and oscillators on each new note that you can enable/disable on each if you want more consistent attacks.

[Ashe35]

no real need to come across as such an obnoxius __s!


no need to keep trying to tell me I'm wrong after I've shown references.

[namnibor]

Thank you, TIMO! Yes, it appears I am mistaken on analog osc's and am man enough to admit that. There's definitely a hybrid here because I clearly read analog LPF/HPF/VCA, et al.
This year's NAMM has certainly excited ALOT of we synth-geeks! When one takes statistics into count, this little 'discusion' is but a microcosm in the most excitement over a new synth release in quite a while. I DO hope other companies are acknowledging that as technology evolves and innovates, we as musicians kind of like to do the same as Cultural Creatives. (a hollow few knocks on Waldorf Castle's Dungeon Door:rolleyes: !!!) DSI is going to sell a ton of these! They are not expected to be shipping according to Sweetwater here in USA, June, 2013. (that would be June 2015 in Waldorfian Time-Frame:rolleyes: )!!!
Thanks again, Timo!

[namnibor]

no need to keep trying to tell me I'm wrong after I've shown references.
No worries...you are doing a GREAT job of showing your *refrences* to sizable ego and id! Are we 12?

[Ashe35]

No worries...you are doing a GREAT job of showing your *refrences* to sizable ego and id! Are we 12?

I don't know, are you? I've been 12 a few times over now.

Seriously, I'd love a Prophet 12, its just even further out of my price range than a Ti2 Keys is :( I have nothing against hybrid synths, I own two already (ESQm and K3m) and a VS is one of those 'someday' synths for me anyway. Too bad the P12 doesn't have a joystick (despite Yamaha owning Sequential's vector synthesis IP, that patent would have expired about eight years ago) (and yeah, I say the same thing about the Evolver)

[TweakHead]

It makes a lot of sense to use digital oscillators on this one, as it brings more precision and versatility into the mix.

But overall, I think the Korg MS 20 is much more then a classic, since it now has midi in, and usb connection for triggering notes. It also has, like the original, the possibility of using audio - like a guitar or other synth to control it. And just thinking of what I could do with it gives me chills. Much more so, then having some digital oscillators feed into some analogue filters and fx, I think. Which one can also do with say, the Virus going into the MS 20... Or even a software synth like Zebra with my own designed wavetables, easilly. Because of that, I think this thing really calls for creativity, while also providing all the retro sound and feel you can dream off.

If there's a wish list for recreations of classics, I'd go with the Roland SH 101!

And btw, having 12 voices using digital oscillators isn't that much impressive, really. One thing about it, though, and all the DSI's keyboards, is that it looks like it's built like a tank! Must be great for live performance!

[Ashe35]

and the MS-20 Mini, I can afford :D

[TweakHead]

and the MS-20 Mini, I can afford :D

YEAAAH! Me 2!

[namnibor]

I don't know, are you? I've been 12 a few times over now.

Seriously, I'd love a Prophet 12, its just even further out of my price range than a Ti2 Keys is :( I have nothing against hybrid synths, I own two already (ESQm and K3m) and a VS is one of those 'someday' synths for me anyway. Too bad the P12 doesn't have a joystick (despite Yamaha owning Sequential's vector synthesis IP, that patent would have expired about eight years ago) (and yeah, I say the same thing about the Evolver)

Well, if the Prophet 12 responds to proper midi cc rather than sysex, theoretically one could do as I do to control a Wavestation SR and eventually the elektron monomachine MK1 yet to learn is use something like a Korg Kontrol 49 controller or any of the Yamaha TG's with a vector joystick and simply assign midi cc's 18 and 19 I think for X/Y control since the Prophet 12 seems like more of a re-engineered Prophet VS with advantage of analog vcf lpf/hpf, etc. plus alot more. It's a bit out of my price range since having my set-up 99% way want it aside from as Tweakhead posted, the MS20 can be used in SO many ways coupled with Evolver, external signals from our Virus or routing VCO's possibly to act as analog sub osc's to get dirty deeper bass with virus...exciting times!

[Ashe35]

Or use something like a Korg Nanopad through your DAW or something... or the X/Y touchscreen on my M3

[namnibor]

Or use something like a Korg Nanopad through your DAW or something... or the X/Y touchscreen on my M3
That indeed is a great idea with touchpad on your M3. Tried using touchpad on Novation Remote SL61MKII for controlling Wavestation SR to no really good control as you would with a joystick for truely vectoring control. On the Korg Forum, some people had indeed tried using their M3 because I forget where, but on your M3 you already have a template for Wavestation and/or Vector control, and it was satisfactory, nothing like a joystick and hence was rec. to purchase really cheap Korg Kontrol 49 with a true 4 region vector control and it worked like a charm for little money....the Kontrol 49 pretty much was ahead of game and could easily see where novation's launchpad was "gleaned" from Korg. It turns out that multi-controller is very utilitarian. On your M3, do you not also have an actual joystick, unless mistaken? If so, for controlling say DSI Prophet 12 like a giant Prophet VS, you could assign midi cc 17 and 18 or somewhere in that range--it's in a Word Doc of saved info from Korg Forum. (I truely want to learn to actually program the Korg Wavestation SR rack because at 1 rack space, takes very little room.
NAMM 2013 has started to drive ALOT of hardware to be listed...namely, since using evilbay post military, have never seen so MANY original vintage Korg MS20's. Funny thing is though, do not see a new proponderance of DSI gear on evilbay.
DSI were VERY smart in that the Prophet 12 simply augments rather than replaces anything in their product range! :D

[TweakHead]

I believe the implementation of wavetables on this one is similar to what you get in something like NI's Massive or even the Virus ti range, and therefore proper scanning of the waves can be done by modeling just one axis, either with a knob, an lfo, or the mod wheel...

As for vector controllers, I think the wacom (yes, the actual graphic's pen, with touch!! important to stress out the touch part!!!) is hard to beat, once you get some software for it, so it sends midi information to your gear or software (there's plenty of solutions for it online, even using max msp). The one that came with the novation is a joke. You have to press it real hard so that it reads everything, not the kind of smooth action I was thinking about. So that's it: either a nano pad or if you're into graphic design of some sort, buy a bamboo pen that's touch enabled - that's as smooth as it gets!

EDIT

of course you can even use a gaming joystick of your choice to midi control your stuff, this way... there's really no limits. there's people using the wii controllers (yes, I know, insane...) for music applications and stuff like that.

[namnibor]

Well, the prophet 12 also has two touch/finger sensors that various modulational affect can be routed to it like DSI's Tempest and that would mean time will tell just how sound can be manipulated.
You are correct Tweak on Novation's touchpad and am still thinking perhaps i never tweaked the sesativity of it correctly or thoroughly....it does not help that one of the physical/medical issues I have from one of my military health issues is peripheral neuropathy, which rendors tips of fingers and toes tingly/numb with sometimes more sensation than would like then other way and reason I enjoy aftertouch SO much as I can compensate with that and work around my own, at times, very limitation. Wonder if there's been a firmware update that addressed this on such a really nice controller otherwise? As I stated in another post, I can see further in future perhaps getting a Prophet 12 BUT I would pragmatically have to decide perhaps which to keep in my set-up, the Virus KB or the KC. Not out of thrift nor need to sell to raise funds for Prophet 12 but for reason of ergonomics/space. (I would probably keep both Virii simply because using one for external signal processing duties as well as....oh hell no...figure can make things work because my dining room is not really being used as such and as long as midi cords are no longer than 50 feet....? HA!:D However, have enough to learn as far as interfaces and DAW so *perhaps* Prophet 12 could be had for a bit less in future? I refuse to do anything via credit, rather, saving and owning something is a personal integrity thing with me. That YouTube sent to me on Prophet 12 by Tweakhead was like injecting 100 PSI into that awful thing called GAS!!:evil: --in a good way as can't wait to drive up to Sweetwater and lay my hands on Prophet 12 when visiting parents next!!

[Timo]

Virus really does need a pressure-sensitive ribbon or XY pad for performance playing. You can tap (effectively gating), scratch, do 2D vector glides, etc., none of which you can do with just a mod wheel or knobs.

[TweakHead]

I just hope Access finds the time to read this forum, lately eheh...

[namnibor]

Even if they made one like I think kurzwiel has as an add-on LONG multi zoned ribbon controller (propriatory though), that could be simply connected into midi in! Yes, it would be at least a good amount of free varied information about how NAMM has really excited us in recent innovations and how as we await *patiently* for Access to finish guitar-centric development and feed their "Viral Children" with something along the lines of 'And now for something completely different"___Monty Python (note to self to buy DVD collection)

[TweakHead]

Yeah, I think they could do that. But I also think, unlike some here, that it's damn good as it is. There's several issues that often come and go about the virus: most people unpleased with it have some complains about the TI implementation, but I think the simple fact that they've tried it and are getting better at it shows how much they're commited to innovation - since, there's no single company on the market trying to do the same. Feature wise, without even considering this new technology for integrating with the DAW, it's got so many options on its sleave and sounds so good -doing all that it does - and the interface is so inspiring that for those that actually make music, it's still a winner both on studio or stage. I think the competition is lacking much more then they do, thinking about Clavia or Waldorf mainly. The Blofeld is very rich, feature wise, but not so much in terms of physical interface and hence, it's not as good for performance.

The other main complain is about the price, which is true: this things are expensive for sure. And that's where the comparisons with the available software options come in, and how the virus is just software with a dedicated controller, this and that. Maybe it is, but it has inspired me to do better music and that's what counts at the end of the day. And I dare say: good luck trying to find such nice sounding filters on software - Diva included!

[namnibor]

Yeah, I think they could do that. But I also think, unlike some here, that it's damn good as it is. There's several issues that often come and go about the virus: most people unpleased with it have some complains about the TI implementation, but I think the simple fact that they've tried it and are getting better at it shows how much they're commited to innovation - since, there's no single company on the market trying to do the same. Feature wise, without even considering this new technology for integrating with the DAW, it's got so many options on its sleave and sounds so good -doing all that it does - and the interface is so inspiring that for those that actually make music, it's still a winner both on studio or stage. I think the competition is lacking much more then they do, thinking about Clavia or Waldorf mainly. The Blofeld is very rich, feature wise, but not so much in terms of physical interface and hence, it's not as good for performance.

The other main complain is about the price, which is true: this things are expensive for sure. And that's where the comparisons with the available software options come in, and how the virus is just software with a dedicated controller, this and that. Maybe it is, but it has inspired me to do better music and that's what counts at the end of the day. And I dare say: good luck trying to find such nice sounding filters on software - Diva included!
Yeah, it is quite damn good as it is! Although that sad argument about a synth being software with knobs is really a beaten horse of a subject because even (especially) ROMplers were moreso that description than anything, samplers, and for most part, anything really in the "VA-definition of a synth"...but the HUGE difference is having an interface that is more organic, touchable, as oposed to the click/clack of mousing about on a screen. SURE, there's some great software synths; I am not disputing that. As also a visual artist, a great analogy is the huge difference in interface of using good old oil paints, brushes, and canvas, and wonderful smell of turpentine:-) oposed to the rather clinical approach of using a mouse and making computer art. BOTH can achieve wonderful results, but it's all about the interface and of course tools. Access Virus Ti certainly has vast technological options to further evolve what they have innovated already and a, sure they have learned alot in this evolution in their appreciated dedication to making it work. I for one chose not to 'give-up' in what the future will bring from this company. THEY ARE still selling TI2's and that says something!

[Ashe35]

There's several issues that often come and go about the virus: most people unpleased with it have some complains about the TI implementation, but I think the simple fact that they've tried it and are getting better at it shows how much they're commited to innovation - since, there's no single company on the market trying to do the same.

You mean like the Kronos? VST control, with librarian, and audio coming back in?

(You could do that with the M3 as well if you had the Firewire I/O card)

[namnibor]

You mean like the Kronos? VST control, with librarian, and audio coming back in?

(You could do that with the M3 as well if you had the Firewire I/O card)
All I want from the M3 is to be able to order the wonderful 88 keybed and place my Radias atop it. Had no idea that the M3 offered the Firewire upgrade (to the M3 unit or special card for PC?) and act as VST. Still, thinking about outright asking to order the 88 keyboard as it has that same propriatorial Korg plug-in rather than midi just like Radias key-rail assembly, right? Learn something everyday!

[Ashe35]

All I want from the M3 is to be able to order the wonderful 88 keybed and place my Radias atop it. Had no idea that the M3 offered the Firewire upgrade (to the M3 unit or special card for PC?) and act as VST. Still, thinking about outright asking to order the 88 keyboard as it has that same propriatorial Korg plug-in rather than midi just like Radias key-rail assembly, right? Learn something everyday!

The M3 can work as a VST by itself, the firewire card just allows audio I/o over firewire.

and the 88-key keyboard can take both an M3 and a Radias simultaneously.

[TweakHead]

Didn't know about that. Thought Access was the only company going for that kind of integration. But I think my point comes across just fine, what I mean is that it's already a great tool for making music, as it is. It's one thing to debate technology and where it's going, it's quite another to use what we have - that includes our brains, btw, to make music. And I think there's plenty things out there in the market that look rather boring in comparison.

To my mind, Waldorf is lacking a synth with a decent tweakable interface these days. If the Virus is getting old, then what about the Nord Lead?

[Ashe35]

I wish Waldorf would ship the Stromberg... :(

[namnibor]

Didn't know about that. Thought Access was the only company going for that kind of integration. But I think my point comes across just fine, what I mean is that it's already a great tool for making music, as it is. It's one thing to debate technology and where it's going, it's quite another to use what we have - that includes our brains, btw, to make music. And I think there's plenty things out there in the market that look rather boring in comparison.

To my mind, Waldorf is lacking a synth with a decent tweakable interface these days. If the Virus is getting old, then what about the Nord Lead?
Great point there! Understanding 'MY' perspective is ONLY a newer one because of many years with the military and abroad; with that even, among the synths I specifically acquired after MUCH research, still remain rather "fresh" and on the cutting edge of technology/abilities/unique characteristics, with the Virus and very knobby interface and just a capable Waldorf Q rack (they compliment each other as they are equally very different sounding and each deeper synths). I would say that Waldorf were safely two decades ahead of their time with the Q and a swarmy of synth-heads on harmonycentral still concur...with yet another Waldorf, microwave XT, more of a purely wavetable synth that neither virus nor Q can make such otherworldly sounds so easily. ONLY DSI Prophet 12 at NAMM 2013 has finally broke THAT glass ceiling in new analog filters mashed with digital madness, and my goal is to strive with *what I already have* reach that same territory, albeit taking three instruments to do so--the tools are here before me! "The sleeper awakens" (Dune)
With that said, there's no reason other than perhaps economics or time itself that's preventing these relatively smaller "fish in the pond synth makers", in releasing yet more future classics.
Time: You nailed that one down with association with using this time to explore the unexplored with WHAT WE HAVE and indeed make music. whether that is music for eels to yawn to or humans to spawn to (or vice versa) :-).
What I find so ironic amidst the 'big three' and plethora of softsynths and yes, even modular companies; it happens to be the VERY "small fish in pond" such as; Access, DSI, Elektron, Waldorf--that REALLY continue to innovate. Heck, the DSI Evolver is over 10 years in production and is literally like chaos theory in a muse' form to mould sound like silly putty. Access's Ti series is still very unexplored territory with many people like a few of us on this forum that still are exploring new territories with former incarnations of the Virus. Waldorf came back and have every reason to believe they will continue to innovate. Nord seems to in my humble opinion, let-go of their micro-modular prematurely. I have not used it nor own any Nord, but those I correspond with and sent sound clips of what they can do (as long as they never upgrade their computer O.S.) is pretty amazing--like Reason in a box.
At NAMM, Korg, after testing analog waters with monotrons, etc., did a brave thing re-releasing MS20 but kingkorg seems to be rehash of Radias/Oasys lineage and although the Korg M3 offers encompassing features--I am sorry, aesthetically, could not be an uglier box and reason only want the outstanding 88 keyboard version that can be used for either M3 or Radias, but if it only has the propriatory Korg nexus rather than proper midi so can place my Q rack on it, forget it.
Namm 2013 has done something to make me realize something that Tweakhead nailed it in on: As much as I would LIKE the new Korg MS20 or DSI Prophet 12, I want to make FULL use of the still ahead of the pack in synth technology that we each own in any version of Virus, DSI MEK, and Waldorf Q--and wait until a future point if my *needs* out-weigh my proverbial *wants*. While I realize my philosophy may run counterintuitive to what NAMM wants us to do--slave to consumerism and marketing, and can smile every now and then knowing Dave Smith has again pushed the limits rather than re-issue the past. That same thinking makes me realize that the Virus Ti offeres ALOT of uncharted territory for the future and I for one, do not mind being a "bottom-feeder" of technology.:mrgreen:

[namnibor]

I wish Waldorf would ship the Stromberg... :(
Although I actually find Blofeld's grid-matrix quite intuitive, programming could be SO insane in a gewat way if a super-knobby controller box were issued by them to sit nicely atop unused realestate very much like Virus KC's. They would sell alot of them! The Blofeld is very deep sound designer's synth if you dig-in to the virtually unlimited territory under the hood!

[Ashe35]

Although I actually find Blofeld's grid-matrix quite intuitive, programming could be SO insane in a gewat way if a super-knobby controller box were issued by them to sit nicely atop unused realestate very much like Virus KC's. They would sell alot of them! The Blofeld is very deep sound designer's synth if you dig-in to the virtually unlimited territory under the hood!


The Stromberg (which disappeared from their site) was supposed to be a 61-key knobby Blofeld with an option for analog filters...

[namnibor]

The Stromberg (which disappeared from their site) was supposed to be a 61-key knobby Blofeld with an option for analog filters...
Vaporware until proven otherwise, at least the Pulse 2 is still listed with a Spring 2013 release. Just sent Waldorf Support a tech question (they got back to me earlier in month about Q-cards for my Q rack rather quickly and helpful in my quest), and along with tech question, asked when audio samples may be posted on site for pulse 2? Cannot hurt to ask? You could get a Behringer BCR2000 and have an effective and inexpensive as-you-wish midi cc asignable knobby interface easily. Did this NAMM event show a newer Dark Energy 2?

[oscillator]

The first release date of Pulse 2 was almost one year ago. Hope the synth will not postponed again.

Speaking of integration my Novation Mininova got an integrated VST with all parameters, it's very cool.
The Virus is getting old? Do you know another super-knobby synth with 16 channels, fx and vst in the same price range?

[TweakHead]

Great point there! Understanding 'MY' perspective is ONLY a newer one because of many years with the military and abroad; with that even, among the synths I specifically acquired after MUCH research, still remain rather "fresh" and on the cutting edge of technology/abilities/unique characteristics, with the Virus and very knobby interface and just a capable Waldorf Q rack (they compliment each other as they are equally very different sounding and each deeper synths). I would say that Waldorf were safely two decades ahead of their time with the Q and a swarmy of synth-heads on harmonycentral still concur...with yet another Waldorf, microwave XT, more of a purely wavetable synth that neither virus nor Q can make such otherworldly sounds so easily. ONLY DSI Prophet 12 at NAMM 2013 has finally broke THAT glass ceiling in new analog filters mashed with digital madness, and my goal is to strive with *what I already have* reach that same territory, albeit taking three instruments to do so--the tools are here before me! "The sleeper awakens" (Dune)
With that said, there's no reason other than perhaps economics or time itself that's preventing these relatively smaller "fish in the pond synth makers", in releasing yet more future classics.
Time: You nailed that one down with association with using this time to explore the unexplored with WHAT WE HAVE and indeed make music. whether that is music for eels to yawn to or humans to spawn to (or vice versa) :-).
What I find so ironic amidst the 'big three' and plethora of softsynths and yes, even modular companies; it happens to be the VERY "small fish in pond" such as; Access, DSI, Elektron, Waldorf--that REALLY continue to innovate. Heck, the DSI Evolver is over 10 years in production and is literally like chaos theory in a muse' form to mould sound like silly putty. Access's Ti series is still very unexplored territory with many people like a few of us on this forum that still are exploring new territories with former incarnations of the Virus. Waldorf came back and have every reason to believe they will continue to innovate. Nord seems to in my humble opinion, let-go of their micro-modular prematurely. I have not used it nor own any Nord, but those I correspond with and sent sound clips of what they can do (as long as they never upgrade their computer O.S.) is pretty amazing--like Reason in a box.
At NAMM, Korg, after testing analog waters with monotrons, etc., did a brave thing re-releasing MS20 but kingkorg seems to be rehash of Radias/Oasys lineage and although the Korg M3 offers encompassing features--I am sorry, aesthetically, could not be an uglier box and reason only want the outstanding 88 keyboard version that can be used for either M3 or Radias, but if it only has the propriatory Korg nexus rather than proper midi so can place my Q rack on it, forget it.
Namm 2013 has done something to make me realize something that Tweakhead nailed it in on: As much as I would LIKE the new Korg MS20 or DSI Prophet 12, I want to make FULL use of the still ahead of the pack in synth technology that we each own in any version of Virus, DSI MEK, and Waldorf Q--and wait until a future point if my *needs* out-weigh my proverbial *wants*. While I realize my philosophy may run counterintuitive to what NAMM wants us to do--slave to consumerism and marketing, and can smile every now and then knowing Dave Smith has again pushed the limits rather than re-issue the past. That same thinking makes me realize that the Virus Ti offeres ALOT of uncharted territory for the future and I for one, do not mind being a "bottom-feeder" of technology.:mrgreen:

In my opinion, if there's been a synth from Waldorf ahead of its time it was the Waldorf's Wave. It has the wavetables and analogue filters on it!! There's an "old" ancestor of this new Prophet 12! :cool:

[namnibor]

The Microwave 1 also had warm analog filters in it but interface was crap and Access actually made a knobby programer for it. You are correct, the new DSI Prophet 12 is to me Dave Smith's genius of bringing ALL the best sound-sculpting electronica tools under one hood, along with seemingly newer innovations in manipulating them. It's like this--among my synths, I have *most* of what it would take to make that cool sound design demo YT Video sent to me (thanks), but scattered about in four synths. I am REALLY interested in knowing how and if one can use the mod matrix to take analog lpf and hpf in parallel and LFO's on wavetables with a looping envelope! I am not exactly a dumb ex-military guy, and am still trying to wrap my head around modifiers in practice/use on microwave XT--DSI may have made this much easier. Always wanted a Sequential Prophet VS but used they go for what this new Pro12 suggested retail price is and seeing how this new DSI synth is very deep, kind of think the price is very fair and will sell a ton of them! Perhaps I will need to talk my 23 LB cat into buying me one?

[namnibor]

Regarding DSI Prophet 12- From another forum, reported by a guy who visited the DSI booth at NAMM:
"The oscillators are virtual, produced by a total of six SHARC chips. Output is then converted to analog to go to filters and VCAs. The chips also handle effects."
It was firther discussed that those SHARC chips are the EXACT mega proccessor chips used in the "Solaris". Not exactly surprising since during the Sequential Circuits days then at end, only "Sequential", Dave Smith along with Don Solaris and others from Sequential Team worked with Korg to make the Wavestation. The "Solaris" seems to be a built-to-order, non-mass-production synth that once I find more info on it will confirm that it seems to have some "DAW Integration Qualities". In any case, those SHARC Chips DSI is using in Prophet 12 give massive DSP power to where no real bottleneck for future added features.
ALSO, we were speculating on infekted if like on the Prophet VS, if it were possible to control in a vector way the wavetable in which in the VS and similarly in Wavestation Series, you have FOUR directional waveforms to be able to blend, etc.
The DSI Prophet apparently allows THREE wavetables to be blended,(see *****below), interestingly, and can be found in more detailed specs listed below:
* 12 voices
* 4 Oscillators per voice capable of classic and complex waveforms
- Low alias digital oscillators of several flavors: tri, saw, pulse, sine, noise and 4 wavetable based sources
- Oscillator params: FM, AM, Sync, Level, Pitch (Coarse+Fine), extended slop algorithm, shape, shape mod/pulsewidth
* Sub oscillator
* Shape Mod/Pulsewidth control changes based on oscillator type:
- Pulse and Tri - Pulsewidth control
- Saw - Supersaw effect (note: not complete in NAMM units)
- Noise - Pink on the left, White in the middle, Blue/Violet on the right
- *****Wavetables - Blends between 3 different waveforms, one on the left, one in the middle, one on the righ*****t
* Post FX section, fully analog signal path (no DAC/ADC converstion) with digital effects summed with analog signal at wet/dry points
- Analog VCA and panning
- Analog stereo distortion
- Analog resonant Lowpass filter per voice
- Analog resonant Highpass filter per voice
- All analog parameters are modulated at >11kHz sample rate
* Digital FX 'Character' Section:
- NOTE: Effects are not finalized (besides Drive) and will be improved and possible changed before release
- Air - High shelf with soft clipping
- Girth - Low shelf with saturation
- Hack - Bit Crush
- Decimate - Sample Rate Reduction
- Drive - Overdrive/Saturation
* Tons of modulation:
- 4 LFOs up to 4kHz rate, sync and multiple shapes
- 4 Envelopes - VCA, Filter and 2 Auxiliary. ADSR plus delay
- 16 Mod slots - Oscillators can be used as sources for FM control of a wide range of params
* Two Pressure- and Position-sensitive touch faders for added control in addition to the pitch and mod wheels
* 4 Delay lines
- Can sync to internal arp clock or to external MIDI clock
- ~1 second buffer for each delay line
- Amount, Feedback, and Rate controls on front panel
- Delay time ranges from reverb and flanger effects to a looper with feedback turned to max
- Delay algorithms not finalized in NAMM units and will be improved by release
* Tuned Feedback
* Expanded Arpeggiator modes
* Quick mod section:
- example: holding 'mod source' and hitting 'Osc 1' creates a new mod with 'Osc 1' as the source and brings up the screen. Then holding 'mod destination' and moving the 'Air' encoder assigns the destination to 'Air'. Simple!
- Sorting of mods by slot number, mod source or mod destination which includes the fixed mods (destination params for LFOs and Envelopes) to quickly deconstruct programs. Makes it very easy to see what mods are affecting what parameters at a glance
* Playlist mode for queueing up programs to use in a set for quick 1-button access to quickly load presets. 4 Playlists with 10 presets plus an extended playlist mode if more complicated setups are needed.

I am hoping that 'Doc' Trippler does some demoing of this beast as he always uses extreme modulations to really show what any given synth is capable of beyond your not always all that great YouTube demos.